TVI to establish office in South Africa despite ban?
With the South African Department of Trade and South Africa Reserve Bank both conducting continuing criminal investigations, TVI Express is South Africa is all but dead.
With arrests already made over the promotion of TVI Express in South Africa, those participating in the scheme risk fines and arrest themselves.
Despite the regulatory crackdown and arrests however, supporters of TVI Express still exist in South Africa. This was clearly evidenced when recently arrested TVI Express promoters Irwin and Glenda Shirindzi were given hugs and support from TVI Express members once released on bail.
Not withstanding one South African female member of TVI Express, who wished to remain anonymous for obvious reasons, stated that ‘nothing will stop us from going ahead and investing in TVI Express’.
In my last article about TVI Express in South Africa and the subsequent arrests, I reflected on this stubbornness by TVI South Africa members to accept that TVI is indeed a pyramid scheme.
In the face of such criticism and regulatory crackdown, one can only wonder exactly what it will take to shut down TVI Express in South Africa. And furthermore, just how mindlessly brainwashed are TVI’s supporters there?
At the time I placed my criticisms squarely on the supporters of TVI, rather than the company itself.
If the latest press release from TVI Express is anything to go by however, turns out I might have been a tad too hasty in my judgement.
TVI Express promoters Ross Kaspi and Vanessa Jackson from increasemymonthlyincome.com write
Preparations are in full swing to add an office in every corner of the globe.
This is to provide you reliable and speedy service. We are soon opening offices in the Philippines, Kazakhstan, Bangladesh, South Africa, and Dubai.
Plans are on to assign a dedicated country manager for each region. With the wealth of experience and expertise these managers bring to the table, we can ensure that your business will scale new heights.
Despite the press release being issued just yesterday (over two weeks since the initial South African arrests over TVI), South Africa is still listed as a country set to get its very own local office.
Something which I’m sure both the South African Reserve Bank and Department of Trade would be very interested to hear about.
Bangladesh also made the cut, despite recent calls by the Bangladesh MLM Alliance to shut down TVI Express in Bangladesh. The Bangladesh MLM Alliance claims TVI Express is nothing more than a ‘get rich quick‘ scheme that participates in ‘illegal banking‘.
Given the open hostility towards TVI Express, it’s hard to believe that either South Africa or Bangladesh were chosen for local offices.
Local offices aside, TVI also announced the introduction of
- increased social media integration
- a ‘quarterly newsletter‘
- the setting up of a ‘huge call centre with state-of-the-art infrastructure in Asia which will serve as the centralized customer support base for the entire world‘
- an exclusive partnership with travel website bookmytrip.com (which doesn’t exist yet)
The last announcement is kind of interesting as it marks an established move away from just offering Travelocity deals.
Interestingly, the whois information for the BookMyTrip website lists the Administrative and Registrant contact information as
V2 International Private Limited
Tarun Trikha (tarun.trikha@bookmytrip.com)
+91.9818735748
Fax: +1.5555555555
7/6369, Street Number 3,
Dev Nagar, Karol Bagh
New Delhi, Delhi 110005
IN
Note that Tarun Trikha is the CEO and owner of TVI Express, indicating that there’s a closer integration between this new travel company then is being publicly let known.
Most likely this partnership is in the form of a higher affiliate kickback then TVI is currently making from their Travelocity partnership.
The bigger question here of course is who is Tarun and TVI partnering up with?
Looking at the technical contact information for the BookMyTrip whois entry, we can see a clue –
Derek Brent (derek@vacationcentral.net)
+1.2015678500
Fax: +1.2014901721
Travel Network
560 Sylvan Ave
Englewood Cliffs, NE Jersey 07632
US
Looking at the email address listed for Derek Brent, a quick plug in of vacationcentral.net into an internet browser reveals that Vacation Central is an affiliate based online travel company.
Given that BookMyTrip utilises the services of a third party company, the partnership of TVI Express and Vacation Central through BookMyTrip.com does little to alleviate the problem that TVI is still just offering membership to other company’s services, whilst paying commissions solely on recruitment to TVI itself.
Personally I’d take the above announcements with a bucketload of salt. Since writing about TVI Express I can’t help but notice there’s been promise after promise broken, delayed or simply ignored.
Whether any of these recent announcements by TVI eventuate remains to be seen.
You should see what sort of bull**** @Taruntrikha spouts on Twitter. 😀 The URL he put in his own profile links to a “Moving in soon” place holder page.
The plot thickens… That number you put in? 201-567-8500? That points to the pyramid scheme YTB (Your Travel Biz)
YTB got sued by California a while back (now-Governor Jerry Brown as then Attorney General). They had changed their name to Zamzuu a while back, but was still sued by AG of Illinois and other companies.
Isn’t that interesting, a pyramid scheme enlisting help of ANOTHER pyramid scheme!
Derek Brent apparently left the pyramid scheme YTB back in 2009
http://www.bizjournals.com/stlouis/stories/2009/08/10/story11.html
Isn’t it interesting he’s now associated with another one?
And just for amusement value (perhaps not that funny for the scammers)
Indian Guerilla Insurgent Group Vows Wrath Upon Pyramid Scammers and their relatives and families if they do not surrender
http://kanglaonline.com/2011/02/kcp-mc-warns-network-agents-to-surrender/
Apparently KCP(MC) is not a joke. I found reports of them bombing a market and military post in India.
So what we’re essentially looking at is a former member of Your Travel Biz who seems to have splintered off from YTB to offer his own affiliate travel program (if it’s a one-man operation then I wonder who he outsources his deals from), partnering up with TVI Express so they don’t have to solely rely on Travelocity.
Why can’t they just say that, and why does it take so long for TVI to implement? They’ve been going on about this new portal for at least six months haven’t they?
TVI Express have not relied on Travelocity for a while. I wonder if that linkup through WCTravel is still in force.
In the past few months, the alleged “proof” of trips booked show bookings through Gulliver’s Travel Agency (i.e. GTA) and HotelsPro.com (out of Turkey). (It’s on my blog somewhere)
Maybe they need someone who haven’t heard of the bad name TVI Express had made for itself. Maybe we should fax a copy of the state of Georgia injunction against TVI Express to the fax number listed. 😀
In other TVI Express news… TVI Express Indonesia gave money to Indonesian charity at event, while elsewhere members complained to media they are not getting paid.
http://kschang.blogspot.com/2011/04/indonesia-tvi-express-gave-money-to.html
Ah fair enough. For all intents and purposes though they’re still outsourcing their travel to third parties. I suppose given that next to nobody who joins TVI is actually interested in travel that it doesn’t really matter who they use anyway. It’s more of an attempt to look legitimate to support the membership matrices.
There’s so many travel niche MLM’s to keep track of these days. Sometimes I think I could just have a site dedicated to them alone and still have enough to write about.
Yeah, too many of these ****ing scam clones. I’ve seen offers on eLancers or similar sites wanting to pay $500 for someone to clone TVI Express. WTF indeed.
In other TVI Express news… Newspaper on Aceh, Indonesia covers TVI Express scam, citing members still claiming that Islamic Council don’t know **** about business to declare a fatwa that TVI Express is haram (unclean).
http://beritasore.com/2011/04/28/warga-aceh-ditipu-bisnis-money-game/
More news out of Aceh Indonesia: members brought their lawyers to make formal complaint of being victims of fraud at police station. Police was a bit incredulous, but promise investigation.
http://aceh.tribunnews.com/news/view/55701/sejumlah-member-tvi-express-mengadu-ke-polisi (use Google Translate)
More dire news for TVI Express in Indonesia… Local Congressional member has summoned local reps to appear before a formal committee to answer questions on how they are scamming the locals.
http://aceh.tribunnews.com/news/view/56084/dprk-akan-panggil-agen-tvi-express (use Google Translate)
Be interesting to see how that pans out. Slowly but surely it seems TVI Indonesia is set to collapse under the weight of complaints from its members.
No real other possible turnout I can see when your entire business model relies on recruitment. At some point somebody is going to get the short end of the recruitment stick and they’re not going to be happy about it.
The sad part is they have since moved onto Philippines where they have opened a new “branch office”.
Checked the IP address bookmytrip.com resolves to… same as tviexpress.com server.
In fact, Whois says 4 domains all use the same server:
http://whois.domaintools.com/174.122.70.195
Reverse IP: 4 websites use this address. (examples: bookmytrip.com pacificroyale.com prairways.com v2group.com)
In other words, Tarun Trikha is domain cybersquatting on the proposed new airline in Indonesia he is NOT involved in.
Are we 100% positive Trikha has nothing to do with Pacific Royale?
I know the financial motivations behind cybersquatting but why would he single out this one company?
The only link we have is @TarunTrikha’s Twitter feed, which is of course, posted by himself (allegedly). All other links are allegations by TVI Express members. Not even the Twitter feed actually says he’s involved, merely he’ll market it, claims to be writing a slogan for it.
Latest news from Indonesia: apparently the various TVI Express “leaders” in Aceh have dumped their phones and disappeared, according to local news reports:
http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=id&u=http://aceh.tribunnews.com/news/view/56248/aktivitas-yang-merugikan-rakyat-harus-dihentikan&ei=1rjVTc-SC5TGsAPW1KCzBw&sa=X&oi=translate&ct=result&resnum=6&ved=0CFQQ7gEwBQ&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dtvi%2Bexpress%2Bsite:tribunnews.com%26hl%3Den%26rlz%3D1C1GPCK_enUS321US322%26prmd%3Divnsl&tbo=1
Of course they have.
Same old, same old. Pyramid scheme collapses and everybody runs!
More news out of Indonesia. Apparently TVI Express distributors in another region of Indonesia have disappeared as well.
http://www.ujungpandangekspres.com/index.php?option=read&newsid=67151 (please use translator)
here’s a REAL Ex-con advertising that he’s a “gold” member of TVI Express:
http://www.secrets2business.com/i-cant-believe-its-travel-ventures-international/
And here’s news of his conviction back in 2005
http://www.frauddigest.com/fraud.php?ident=1779
Assuming he started serving his sentence in October of 2005, and serve half of his 87 month sentence (43?) That would make him get out in… mid 2009, just in time to join TVI Express.
Ex-Con running a con upon his release. Guess a leopard can’t change his spots.
Aceh Indonesia “tribunal” of TVI Express is over. The local “leader” admits that in order to make mony in TVI Express you have to recruit a lot of people, blames misunderstanding “deposit money, make money” on rogue elements who misrepresent company, claims recruiting is hard work, and there is no reward without hard work. No idea whether the locals are satisfied with the answer or not.
http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=id&u=http://aceh.tribunnews.com/news/printit/57519
I guess it comes down to whether running a business where you solely make money by recruiting people is illegal in Indonesia or not then.
Latest TVI Express fraud: claim Alexa ranking as source of legitimacy:
They have a lot of their “boosters” posting messages with an official graphic that claims their Alexa ranking is up to 4000-ish, and it is popular and great.
What they don’t tell you is 78% of that traffic came out of Russia, Kazahkstan, and Ukraine, according to Alexa. Furthermore, it’s been long documented that Alexa ratings are easily manipulated through paid services.
http://kschang.blogspot.com/2011/06/desperate-tvi-express-shilled-tried.html
Why ‘popular’ is a gauge to ascertain the legitimacy of a business model is beyond me to begin with.
Anyone joining an MLM company just because ‘everyone else is doing it’ isn’t going to get anywhere.
Newsflash: TVI Express hq in Bangalore India raided by police, two arrested (no Tarun Trikha though)
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/bangalore/2-held-for-taking-many-for-a-ride/articleshow/9241742.cms
Lol, I love the simplified blanket definition of MLM they give;
I guess with the types of MLM schemes that tend to be popular in India though, this is sadly probably pretty accurate.
Got something new:
TVI Express declared illegal in Indonesia by BKPM, warns it to apply for a proper SIUP-L (MLM biz license) or face sanctions
http://kschang.blogspot.com/2011/07/newflash-tvi-express-declared-illegal.html
(scan of actual letter issued by BKPM, as obtained through Kaskus Indonesian forum)
Wow! Vietnam is really getting on TVI Express’s case!
http://www.cand.com.vn/vi-VN/kinhte/2011/7/152968.cand
Looks like all the Vietnamese TVI Express participants decided to go low.
With TVI slowly getting its head kicked in throughout Asia, I wonder what their end game is.
It’s obvious they’ve exhausted the US, Australia India and much of Africa. After Asia there’s only really Europe left… and I doubt they’d last very long there.
They already got kicked out of Europe mostly. German and Spanish press was relentless blasting them in 2009. Obtainer Media of Germany published many articles about the scam.
A german newspaper in Mallorca Spain had a detailed coverage of how locals duped people. I’ve seen coverage about TVI Express in Hungary, Czech Republic (on TV no less). And of course, it was kicked out of UK. Seems they still have some presence in Kazahkstan, but they were prosecuted in Tajikstan.
TVI Express is done.
Here’s a complaint out of Hungary dated May 2010
http://translate.google.com/translate?js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=1&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.turizmusonline.hu%2Fcikk%2Forok_slager_a_piramisjatek__nyomoz_a_rendorseg_%2Findex.php&sl=hu&tl=en&act=url
Czech TV news exposes TVI Express
http://video.markiza.sk/archiv-tv-markiza/televizne-noviny/39395 (should be segment 5, but I don’t speak Czech)
Explosion of TVI Express news… one or two reports of arrests in Indonesia (the July 30th deadline to go legit expired already).
http://medan.jurnas.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=62992:beli-rp20-juta-dapat-rp90-juta-mlm-kelabui-ratusan-nasabah&catid=25:inimedan&Itemid=53
http://www.analisadaily.com/news/read/2011/08/01/6378/warga_medan_ditangkap_unit_intel_kodim_0209-lb/
I don’t read Indonesian (going through Google translate) but it seems to be separate arrests (but can’t confirm).
South African website cites newspaper saying TVI Express will involved BILLIONS of Rands and possibly the largest pyramid scheme to date in South Africa
http://www.legalbrief.co.za/article.php?story=20110801084313377
(unfortunately the rest of the paper is locked behind a reg-wall)
Oh, this is new… Indonesian Agency BKPM revoked PT TVI Express Indonesia operating license. Said company then claimed something about “foreign investment” as a delaying tactic.
http://www.tempointeraktif.com/hg/bisnis/2011/08/03/brk,20110803-349833,id.html
I’ve also read that they announced TVI’s Bangaladesh office is supposed to open by the end of the month. Believe that when I see it.
Strangely enough the Legal Brief report quotes a ‘the Mercury’ report, which appears to be a public access newspaper. Yet I can’t find any mention of TVI Express over at the Mercury.
Okay, I see what’s going on. PT TVI Express Indonesia claiming that when they applied for “foreign investment permission” from BKPM it was approved, so they claim BKPM had also implicitly approved its business model (i.e. operate without MLM license). What a weasel argument.
@Oz — me neither, but the IOL.co.za website (mercury’s parent) did say something about it’s under construction or something like that.
They say that just before the authorities move in.
In China: they said they will open office in Hong Kong and China in June 2009. In July arrests started.
In US: they said they will open office in Florida in 2011. Authorities in Georgia got to them before that.
In South Africa: you got the news right here, then arrest started in what? April?
There’s no doubt TVI Express say just enough to keep the locals going, then pretend it never happened.
First confession in Indonesia: one guy that went into hiding was found by victims, and police came and threw him in jail. Inside, he confessed to recruiting over 800 victims.
http://www.hariansumutpos.com/2011/08/11934/bos-tvi-express-tipu-800-member.htm
I think I got the article in “The Mercury”, reprinted here:
http://www.greytown.co.za/gazette.html
Triggered by TVI Express scam, Indonesia is forming special task force to investing MLM fraud
http://www.tempointeraktif.com/hg/bisnis/2011/08/04/brk,20110804-350112,id.html
Even Russians acknowledge that scam companies register in Cyprus, or British Virgin Islands, or somewhere in the middle of nowhere.
And where is TVI Express “registered office”? Cyprus. Coincidence? Maybe.
FYI, YTB, i.e. Zamzuu i.e. Your Travel Biz, lost an appeal to dismiss the case at the US Federal District 7 Appeals Court.
http://www.leagle.com/xmlResult.aspx?xmldoc=In%20FCO%2020110727155.xml&docbase=CSLWAR3-2007-CURR
YTB at least have some real travel biz behind it but later turned into more of a Ponzi scheme that emphasizes recruiting. It got sued out of two US states (California and Illinois, I think) and this is a civil lawsuit.
South African newspaper names Tarun Trikha as the perp behind TVI Express scam, and found him somewhere in upper-scale India. Trikha claims to be unaware of investigation, and claims “what pyramid scheme had run for 3 years internationally?” Clearly, he never heard of Bernard Madoff… or pretends not to.
http://www.timeslive.co.za/world/2011/08/07/worldwide-probe-into-r1bn-scheme
Times of Africa interviewed South African police who admit joined TVI Express, and claimed they were tricked as well.
http://www.timeslive.co.za/news/2011/08/14/promises-broken-claim-cops
Another arrest in Indonesia
http://www.ujungpandangekspres.com/view.php?id=70833 (link is in Indonesian)
Bank of Namibia still says TVI Express illegal. TVI Express claims to have undergone changes to ensure compliance, but the Bank still maintains it’s a scam and will initiate prosecution.
http://www.newera.com.na/article.php?articleid=40124&title=BoN%20warns%20against%20TVI
In other news, the Indonesia anti-fraud task force is still reviewing evidence against TVI Express. Goenawan claims she was told not to use the name “TVI Express” and she’ll be okay (which makes no sense at all).
http://www.tempointeraktif.com/hg/bisnis/2011/08/15/brk,20110815-351868,id.html (in Indonesian)
LOL, so they just changed some terms and hoped that their business plan would be certified legit – hilarious!
The compensation plan still reads the same on the TVI Express website as it did years ago. No wonder the bank still classified them as a scam, nothing’s changed!
@oz: the BoN declaration basically said that TVI Express is not allowed to hold deposits without bank license. So the TVI Express members in Namibia simply claimed they are NOT accepting deposits, but is instead buying a position. Unfortunately, they have pretty much admitted they’re in a pyramid scheme.
Same sort of weasel argument happened in Indonesia, where they claimed they are not investment, but hard work, because it involves a lot of hard work to recruit people, and no recruiting, no money.
In other words, they admitted to being a pyramid scheme / money game by denying they’re an investment scheme.
The South African office rumor is reanimated by TVI Express like a zombie, AGAIN. They claim that they will have an office up and running by October 6 2011 in pretoria.
And this was announced by… TVI Express Filipino members. Hah!
When I pointed out South Africa ALREADY declared TVI Express illegal since December 2010, he got offended.
http://kschang.blogspot.com/2011/09/another-tvi-express-shill-can-only-cite.html