Fostering Fraud: TVI Express abandon acct verification
Back in December last year, TVI Express took note of its members concerned and sought to address claims that fraud was rampant in the business.
With no verification process attached to the process of joining TVI Express, members in countries where identity fraud was difficult to police were presumably finding it easy to inflate TVI membership numbers.
Just two months after implementing a photo ID check however, TVI Express unofficially announced last week it was scrapping the verification system in countries it has ‘not established as a local official body as yet.‘
The countries listed as having established a TVI local official body in are India, Indonesia and Philippines. As far as the rest of the world goes, TVI Express members are free to continue the fraudulent activities they were engaged in before.
From a credibility standpoint, it’s hard to dismiss the scale of the fraud taking place. Had it have been a few isolated cases you’d think TVI Express would have dealt with the fraud internally, rather then make a public announcement admitting fraud was taking place within the company.
To TVI’s credit, the introduction of a verification system seemed to be a step in the right direction of addressing the identity fraud taking place. In order to receive their commissions and sign up to TVI, members had to upload color scanned copies of photo ID containing their name, date of birth and current address.
As with anything computer related, it’d still be a relatively easy task to tamper with official documents in photoshop (or simply create bogus ones in countries that don’t have robust security measures on ID), before sending them to TVI, but by and large I’d imagine that would be beyond most member’s capabilities.
Despite the relatively light hearted nature of TVI’s introduced verification process however, as I mentioned earlier, just two months after its introduction the system has been scrapped for all but three countries.
Why?
I can think of two primary reasons, and they both don’t bode well for TVI’s business ethics.
The first is the difficulty in actually verifying the documents sent to TVI from members in third world countries. As it stands, anyone in a third world country can join TVI Express, start mass recruiting members and rolling in the commissions.
Unfortunately a lot of these country’s official records however leave a lot to be desired and I imagine it’s no easy task working with local government and authorities to verify each and every verification request TVI receive.
Why let a little thing like business credibility and combating fraud eat into your company profits? So much easier to just abandon the whole thing and let your members run riot defrauding the system.
So long as those joining fees keep rolling in, who cares if the people joining are actually real people right?
The second is the possibility that the majority of TVI’s new member signups (remember, the pyramid nature of TVI Express requires a constant stream of new members to survive), are originating from the countries where fraud is most rampant.
Rather then piss off and risk disturbing this constant influx of new members, (and thus cutting off their commission revenue stream), TVI have instead decided to turn a blind eye and let the fraudsters continue their work.
As you can see, both scenarios boil down to TVI Express choosing to chase the dollar returns by trading in massive amounts of the company’s business integrity and ethics.
In essence, TVI Express have admitted fraud is running rampant in their business and have now announced they aren’t going to police it. One can only wonder why authorities around the world where TVI Express is under investigation haven’t jumped at this chance to shut them down.
Due to the nature of TVI Express’ business model, which involves revolving matrices, if a fraudster joins your matrix, waits till there are one or two spots left and then fills them with bogus accounts they’ve created in order to collect a commission – real members lose out.
Now as flawed as a new member recruitment business model is, if this happens enough times and enough bogus accounts are created, god help you if you cycle onto a matrix filled with bogus accounts. None of which are going to go out and recruit members to fill up the matrix in order to begin the next cycle.
With an already shady business model being employed at the heart of TVI Express, its a shame to see that they’ve for the most part completely abandoned any attempt at ethical integrity in policing their members.
One can only imagine that this policy of chasing the dollar at all costs, legal or otherwise, extends throughout the business’ other operations as well.
There are a few other problems with this verification system…
1) You have to actually upload a copy of your ID (and something that shows your HOME ADDRESS, such as a utility invoice)
http://kschang.blogspot.com/2011/01/rudy-phan-is-back-with-more-ridiculous.html
2) TVI Express never promised to keep your ID information private, according to their privacy policy. It only promise to keep your PAYMENT information private. Furthermore, the policy states that your personal info can be released to your upline. (see above URL)
3) It’s also interesting that TVI Express only claims to have support team in place at India, Indonesia, and Philippines. No more pretense of having an office in UK, or Cyprus, is there?
4) Did you run a whois on Tviexpress.com? Technical/main contact shows as “Tarun Trikha”, and their Bangalore, India address is given.
Thanks for highlighting those additional notes Kasey.
Seems no matter how long I research something before publishing it’s near impossible to cover all the bases :).
Kasey, gracias por hacernos conocer todas las injusticias que TVI EXPRESS hizo con nosotros. Toda mi red te hace esta pregunta. una empresa ilegal, no cumple con nada,etc etc, porque dejan que sigan engaƱando a mas personas?, PORQUE NO LA CIERRAN DEFINITIVAMENTE???
(English translation below)
@Ana Mery — I’ll have to respond in English as my Spanish is quite bad.
Basically Ana Mery is asking how can such a scam as TVI Express continue to operate for so long? Why nobody had shut them down already? The answer is simple: national jurisdiction boundaries.
If TVI Express is in India (and all indications now say they are), and somebody recruited for TVI Express in say, Argentina, and one of the members recruited is in, say Philippines. Whose law applies?
Authorities can outlaw the scam in a particular country, but there is nothing to stop the scam from going to yet another country. If the Argentinian recruited Argentinians, then the crime of pyramid scheme is in Argentina. But TVI Express is not in Argentina, and thus the Argentinian authorities can’t touch them, except pass on information to Indian authorities (or Interpol) and see if something can be done.
Same with the Filipino “victim”. If he recruits in Philippines, he’s guilty of pyramid scheme, but it is unlikely any one actually IN TVI Express will be brought to justice.
In fact, this very excuse was offered by many TVI Express supporters, who often follow up with “they (the authorities) just don’t understand us” excuse, or “they (the members in those countries) must have did it wrong” excuse.
Finally, there is an element of shame and greed involved. People who realize they’ve been scammed tend to 1) yell at the upline 2) yell to the authorities, and 3) shut up
Result of 1) depends on the upline. If the upline has a personality cult, then the upline will shame the member into submission or turn him into 3). If the member is strong enough the member will be turned into 2)
Result of 2) is obvious… authorities step in, newspaper reports on the scam, and the whole thing is shut down… In the region. So the scam, through help of Internet, goes somewhere else.
Result of 3) is actually the most dangerous. the Victim now is unstable, affected deeply by shame. Depend on his/her coping mechanism, s/he will
a) quit and join another similar outfit (so many TVI Express clones!)
b) stay in and recruit as many victims as possible to recoup the losses
c) stay in denial and estrange all friends and family, turn them into enemies. “Why can’t you see that it’s not a scam?!”
Only complaining to the authorities, and enough of them, will get them shut down to the point they have to shut down for good. (And even then, some other scam will take its place)
And one more note: TVI Express was VERY quick in sending lawyers to settle when it blew up in their face in Sikkim India.
Sikkim police investigated TVI Express in late 2009 and early 2010. TVI Express announced they will settle and refund 6000+ members in March 2010, and that’s the end of that. They don’t want the authorities in India to notice them.
As long as all the victims are in some other countries, why would the authorities in India care?
And TVI Express has played a shell game all along. Is it really in India, Cyprus, or UK? It claims to be headquartered in UK, but I’ve long since proven they are NOT there.
Recently TVI Express basically proved they are NOT in UK or Cyprus, but is really in India. But what crimes have they committed IN INDIA? How does jurisdiction work?
The Hungarian authorities said it best when they said TVI Express is not in their jurisdiction:
http://www.realdeal.hu/20100316/two-companies-suspected-of-operating-pyramid-schemes
Hi I joined tvi last year in May 2010 paid R21600.00 have never receive anything tvi is big scam were they lie and take poor peoples investment
@khanyi — You need to report it to your police. Bangalore police raided TVI Express headquarters because people complained to police about getting ripped off on those trips. Two were arrested. You need to join the case instead of staying quiet. In fact, tell all your uplines and downlines to do so.
The more people complain, the more punishment will the crooks receive.