Massachusetts charge TelexFree as “billion dollar Ponzi”
Ever since the SEC investigation into TelexFree was officially confirmed, I’ve found myself repeatedly pointing out to disillusioned TelexFree affiliates that the running of a Ponzi scheme for nearly two years cannot be negated by cosmetic product changes.
Nor can it be erased by a “too little too late” compensation plan change.
Hell, not even a shutdown and filing for Chapter 11 bankruptcy can wash the stink of what Carlos Wanzeler, Carlos Costa and Jim Merril have spread over the MLM industry.
And now, having concluded their investigation into TelexFree – the Massachusetts Securities Division has finally played their hand and agreed. TelexFree is a “billion dollar Ponzi scheme”.
Secretary of State William F. Galvin on Tuesday charged a Marlborough marketer of online phone service with running a billion-dollar pyramid scheme, primarily targeting Brazilian immigrants.
TelexFREE Inc. has offered fraudulent and unregistered securities in Massachusetts by running a multi-level marketing scheme, Galvin’s office alleged in its complaint, a copy of which was reviewed by the Globe, attracting as much as $90 million in the Massachusetts alone.
Fully aware of TelexFree’s shenanigans over the weekend, Galvin’s office noted
the company filed for federal bankruptcy protection Monday in Nevada, according to a note on its website.
Galvin’s office had been investigating TelexFREE’s alleged scheme for several months, and with Tuesday’s action aimed to protect some assets for victims – an effort that could be thwarted by the bankruptcy filing.
“They clearly are responding to the fact that an investigation was underway,’’ Galvin said in an interview. “Now the thing is to act promptly and get whatever we can for these people.’’
Meanwhile as late as yesterday, TelexFree CEO in hiding Stuart Macmillan and Director of Business Development were busy reassuring affiliates the company would carry on despite the bankruptcy filing and SEC investigation.
An administrative complaint has been filed against TelexFree by the Securities Division of Massachusetts, filed early Tuesday morning on the 15th.
In the complaint, Massachusetts allege TelexFree
engaged in the fraudulent offer and sale of unregistered securities in the Commonwealth of Massachusetts, in violation of the (Securities) Act and regulations.
Mirroring the BehindMLM TelexFree review I wrote all the way back in July 2012, here’s how the Securities Division describe TelexFree:
While touted as a paradigm shift in telecommunications and advertising, TelexFree is merely a veiled pyramid and Ponzi scheme.
TelexFree’s scheme borrows elements from the once common phone card frauds of the mid 2000s while supercharging its reach though (sic) an elaborate internet-marketing machine.
TelexFree has raised over $90,000,000 in Massachusetts and nearly $1,000,000,000 worldwide. Despite such an impressive capital raise, TelexFree operations are untenable without a continuous influx of new capital.
Indeed the financial basis of the TelexFree scheme centers on the recruitment of additional participants and placing online advertisements – not sales of 99TelexFree VOIP programs.
Readers of BehindMLM will not that I’ve long referred to TelexFree’s VOIP service as facade to front their AdCentral Ponzi scheme. For anyone still doubtful, here it is spelled out for you:
TelexFree’s business model purportedly revolves centers on the sale of its VOIP program 99TelexFree, despite the fact that TelexFree’s president testified to having limited knowledge of VOIP and never having been in the telecom business.
Using technology borrowed from Disk A Vontade (Ozedit: Carlos Wanzeler’s old company), a nearly identical venture with common management, TelexFree re-branded the VOIP program, offering it for a flat monthly fee of $49.90.
Unlike Disk A Vontade however, TelexFree coupled the VOIP program with a wildly lucrative and fraudulent scheme.
Using VOIP as a facade, TelexFree ran the AdCentral Ponzi investment scheme for almost two years. The business model was simple, use newly invested affiliate money to pay out existing affiliate investors.
The core of the passive income scheme centers around the investment of either $289 or $1375.
A participant who invests $289 receives one advertisement kit and ten VOIP programs. A participant who invests $1375 receives five advertisement kits and fifty VOIP programs.
The “advertisement kits” the Securities Division mention is of course the AdCentral investment positions we’re all familiar with.
The TelexFree advertisement kit enables participants to generate a return by by posting pre-written advertisements, to pre-determined websites, through an automated TelexFree system.
A participant’s daily use of the advertisement kits generates investment returns without the need for any VOIP program sales.
Over the course of a year, a participant who initially invests $289 and does nothing more than place one advertisement per day can receive profit of at least $681 – a return in excess of 200%.
Alternatively, a participant who initially invests $1375 and does nothing more than place five advertisements per day can receive profit of at least $3675 – a return in excess of 250%.
This feature alone has attracted thousands of individuals to invest in TelexFree.
Hidden among TelexFree’s bonus structure and recruitment commissions is the fact that TelexFree participants may self-qualify.
Indeed, as testified by participants (Ozedit: Ooh, looks like the sneaky SEC went behind Labriola’s back and interviewed his investors without his permission), a participant my invest in more than advertisement kit and personally purchase the VOIP program to earn bonuses (Ozedit: ROIs).
Thus, the participant may purchase a VOIP program, never use the program, and still qualify for additional income. Without ever selling the VOIP program, the participant receives a return far in excess of the 200-250% guaranteed return.
And mixed in with the Ponzi scheme side of TelexFree, was a dose of good ‘ol fashioned pyramid scheme…
The passive income scheme generates further returns for participants through various bonus structures and recruitment commissions. TelexFree tailors each of the additional income streams to incentivize recruitment.
By merely recruiting one individual into the TelexFree scheme, a participant can receive as much as $100. By recruiting multiple individuals, TelexFree participants become eligible for revenue sharing bonuses of up to 3% of the TelexFree’s VOIP program sales.
As called out on Kasey Chang’s A MLM Skeptic blog back in February, Sann Rodrigues – who has a history of involvement in pyramid schemes – was welcomed into TelexFree with open arms:
Troublingly, TelexFree allowed certain participants to join the scheme despite prior run-ins with the law. TelexFree highlighted one such participant, Sann Rodrigues, as a top promoter in the world on the TelexFree website.
Rodrigues, a self-proclaimed millionaire, had previously operated a similar multi-level marketing phone card fraud shuttered by the SEC in 2006.
Rodrigues past should have set alarm bells within TelexFree, but sadly he was heralded as a hero at TelexFree events and instead applauded as he simultaneously ripped those off giving the applause.
On the financial math side of things I weighed in last week and came up with some interesting figures. Given complete access to TelexFree’s financial records, here’s the Securities Division blowing the unsustainable maths behind TelexFree wide open:
TelexFree’s revenue, from VOIP sales alone, is inadequate to satisfy participant returns.
Before we continue, please let the above link sink in. And to any TelexFree affiliates reading this, anyone who tells you TelexFree has plenty of money to pay everyone is, to put it bluntly, absolutely full of shit.
In 2012 and 2013, TelexFree identified 4,845,576 VOIP program transactions totaling $238,395,353.80. Net revenue raised by TelexFree from VOIP program sales was significantly less due to substantial commission payments.
Importantly, Carlos Wanzeler could not identify the number of individuals purchasing only a VOIP program without also becoming a participant.
Wanzeler provided wildly varied estimates when challenged to identify the number of VOIP programs sold to non-participants.
If anyone ever asks me why I hold retail sales in such high regard when conducting BehindMLM MLM company reviews, the above is why. Non-participant retail sales matter to US regulators.
Herbalife would do well to take note of the Securities Division’s comments above. They can’t seem to be able to tell anyone how many of their customers are non-affiliates (retail) either.
Anyway, back to how TelexFree couldn’t pay everyone out – despite all their promises to:
Over the same period, TelexFree had 783,771 investments of either $289 or $1375 totalling $880,189,455.32.
Assuming each participant invested only $289 and did no more than post one advertisement per day, TelexFree owed participants a total of $799,446,420.
Alternatively, if each participant invested only $1375 and did no more than post five advertisements a day, TelexFree owed $3,997,232,100 to its participants.
Note that I used conservative figures and estimated TelexFree’s liability at just over $1,000,000,000 last week. I was closer to the lower-end of the scale but well within the Securities Divisions’s ballpark.
Even more so when you consider my conservative numbers and the Securities Divisions’s next statement:
According to data provided by TelexFree, $1375 investments accounted for 88% of transactions through Massachusetts based participants.
Even if only 50% of all participant investments were for $1375, TelexFree would still owe $2,398,897,200 – a number that far exceeds TelexFree reported total revenues over the same period.
This figure of almost $2.4 billion, does not even include further bonuses, recruitment commissions and revenue-sharing.
I based my calculation on 50% of the revenue being $289 investments, hence the lower $1 billion figure. But it’s interesting to note the Securities Division used the same 50% conservative figure as an example in their complaint.
Proof yet again that common-sense due diligence cannot be substituted.
Meanwhile it was only a few hours ago that I passed the following comment on the mythology that there was any difference between Telexree’s Brazilian and US operations:
TelexFree == Ympactus as far as I’m concerned.
I also see no difference between TelexFree Inc., TelexFree LLC, TelexFree International, TelexFree (insert random words here) Money Laundering Pty Ltd, TelexFree “This is where we keep our retirement fund” Global Inc. etc. etc.
And again, despite all the horseshit from TelexFree top affiliates about how things in Brazil had nothing to do with the US and vice-versa, common-sense due diligence again trumps all:
The difference between US TelexFree operations and Brazilian operations is a distinction without a difference.
As described by TelexFree management, the ownership interests in TelexFree Inc. (Massachusetts based), TelexFree LLC (Nevada based) and Ympactus (Brazilian based) overlap.
Both James Merril and Carlos Wanzeler, self-proclaimed founders of TelexFree hold 50% ownership interest in the United States entities and 20% and 40% interests respectively in the Brazilian entity.
Now the following, pertaining to resident TelexFree YouTube clown Carlos Costa, was completely new information to me:
Carlos Costa, head of Brazilian operations and longtime friend of Wanzeler, was an owner of TelexFree LLC. In late 2013, Costa withdrew his ownership for what Merril characterized as “legal reasons”.
Legal reasons? Nothing suss…
Both Merril and Wanzeler testified to transferring at least $3,000,000 to Costa long after Brazilian authorities shut down Ympactus operations.
Oh snap! Costa is sitting in his YouTube castle sweet talking affiliates, all the while being fed their invested money on the sly? These fuckers are notorious.
As to the recent payment problems TelexFree affiliates have been experiencing, word on the grapevine was iPayout was trying to get TelexFree debit cards secured with a new provider after their old one inexplicably gave them up.
Here’s what was going on behind the scenes:
Over two years of operations, TelexFree has employed multiple financial accounts, including domestic and international bank accounts and various online payment processors, to facilitate the fraudulent offer or sale of securities in Massachusetts.
Almost all financial institutions have terminated their relationship with TelexFree after only a few months of business.
Recently, frantic emails between TelexFree management and financial institutions paint an entirely bleak picture of continuing TelexFree financial operations.
TelexFree operations have become a risk that financial institutions are no longer willing to bear.
As described by one financial institution, “no US bank or processor… will accept your [TelexFree] business given that you are on month five of the Visa Chargeback monitoring program. You are only one of three merchants in the USA on month five so you are a real hot-potato as they say.”
Whether or not TelexFree’s long-standing US-based payment processor iPayout stuck with them to the bitter end or not is not immediately clear.
iPayout wrote to BehindMLM in October 2013 to protest against our coverage of TelexFree. iPayout claimed at the time
TelexFree is a US corporation based Massachusetts and is a separate entity from the business in Brazil.
i-payout has done a complete due diligence on TelexFree, assessed its needs, and confirmed the product as compliant with all US laws.
What a joke that turned out to be.
Folks, here’s the bottom line:
Based on its investigation, the Enforcement Section believes that since 2012 TelexFree has offered or sold securities in the Commonwealth.
Through the offer or sale of unregistered securities, TelexFree has caused and continues to cause great harm to unsophisticated minority populations enticed by the fale pretense of getting rich quick.
Game over TelexFree. Thanks for playing. Adios, bon-voyage, farewell and good night.
Listed as defendants, the following individuals are named and shamed in the SEC’s complaint:
- Carlos Wanzeler – Treasurer, Director, Manager and CEO of TelexFree
- James Merril – President, Secretary, Director and Registered Agent of TelexFree
- Steven Labriola (aka Steve Labriola) – International Marketing Director of TelexFree
- Carlos Costa – Manager and Director of Marketing of TelexFree
- Fabio Wanzeler – Director of TelexFree
- Lyvia Wanzeler – signatory authority of TelexFree
- Sanderly R. De Vasconcelos (aka Sann Rodrigues) – previously barred by the SEC from making the offer and sale of securities, credited as a “top promotor of the world” of TelexFree
For their part in the orchestration of the $1 billion dollar TelexFree Ponzi scheme, they have been issued a cease and desist by the SEC. They are also now required to
- provide an accounting of all proceeds which were received as a result of the alleged wrongdoing, and to offer restitution to and fairly compensate investors for those losses attributable to the alleged wrongdoing
- disgorge all profits and other direct and indirect remuneration received from the alleged wrongdoing
The SEC are also requesting the court “impose an administrative fine” on the defendants, the amount of which is to be determined at a later date.
Lawyer up boys, it’s time to pay out those you stole from.
Here at BehindMLM we’ve been covering TelexFree for nearly two years. In light of the SEC’s complaint and probable conclusion to the global $1 billion Ponzi scheme TelexFree represented, I’d like to personally thank the scores of readers who contributed via comments and emails.
To those readers, the helpful translators who helped me get my head around much of the Portuguese and Spanish material I found myself dealing with, Google Auto-translate for being there as a last resort, the various members of the Brazilian media I’ve been in contact with, the TelexFree affiliates who at one time or another provided me with insider information and/or documentation, various relatives of some of the ringleaders involved, the BehindMLM regulars who’ve been with me for a number of years now and anyone else I might have forgotten to specifically mention, I offer up my most heartfelt of thanks.
And of course finally to you, the readers of BehindMLM. This site isn’t what it is without you.
Footnote: It should be noted that this filing comes from the Massachusetts Securities Division. The SEC at a federal level are yet to step into the fray.
As I said yesterday the government would step and close this monstrosity down. I feel sorry for all of the brazilians that invested and thought this was legimate.
Taking advantage of the mentally challenged and poor people of brazil is really low
Is there a link to the Complaint?
Thank goodness. No more people can get sucked into this horrible monstrosity anymore.
Once again Oz thank you for your works.
what about our money??? They giv back our cost.???
I’m guessing the bankruptcy filing is a dead letter after this.
Link for the PDF file, please!!! 🙂
I wanna read the death details! 🙂
Maybe if you promise never to join one of these things again.
You will not get back all of your money and it will take a year or more.
I don’t. Brazilians been warned since late 2012 and in 2013, even after Brazilian justice blocking TF in Brazil, people insisted in faking documents and information just to register themselves in “TF International”.
I big F U to all those scammers!
Buaaa… This is the end!!! Telexfree is gone!!!
And it take a really lot of time!!! Now we can start a new chapter!!!
About time.
Thanks for this great forum/blog
I lost $20,000.00 dollars to telexfree!!!!!
FANTASTIC!
What a sucker I was!!!
I won’t get a nickel back!!!
Here is the link, guys.
http://www.sec.state.ma.us/sct/current/scttelexfree/Administrative-Complaint-TelexFREE-4-15-14.pdf
This comes from the Massachusetts Secretary of State Securities Division, not the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission.
Massachusetts is a great start, but it will be better when the federal government gets involved. Nothing on http://www.sec.gov in “Latest News” yet.
I played the easy money game and lost HARD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
What is the cost of Telexfree Dollar/Credit today?? I want to buy all!!!
This could not have come in a better timming. Just yesterday Carlos Costa was screaming in one of his videos how Brazilian Judiciary should use the same approach in TF’s case as the American Judiciary (talking about the bankruptcy).
Well… Brazilian justice said it was a SCAM almost 1 year before SEC charging TF with the same accusation.
Anyway… well done, telexphonies.
One affiliate’s reaction to the SEC complaint:
SE foderam!!!!
Telexfree was in serious trouble 12 months ago but people kept investing or reinvesting up until this week despite people saying forget telexfree its a ponzi.
Brazil shut this scam down 12 months ago and telexfree still raked in 100s or millions dollars . Behind MLM was giving accurate information regarding telexfree demise. Why are people so shocked or surprised telexfree is over.
Do the research before you part with 1000s dollars not afterwards. What happened to plain old conmen sense I only invest in business or people with a proven track record over many years not months. If something is to good to be true it usually isn’t good at all.
Those ROI was from another planet, hey people have you forgotten the world is in recession or still recovering or bankrupt. At best your getting a penny or two interest on your savings.
The Gargantuous ROI were just to get you to part with your money hence why so many Dummies make a video and post on You tube. I did not invest in telexfree I heard of telefree a year ago but the axe was already falling.
People!! Did you note?? Look like that SEC guy that write the Summary, read things from behindmlm!!!
hahahah Good for you OZ.
I apprecite the very useful info on this website, and the efforts made to uncover all of these scammers. However, I see some commenters who think it’s funny that some people lose their life savings.
Eveyone gets (and will get) screwed somehow in their lifetime. We all make mistakes. Don’t enjoy watching others suffer. I know “you told them so”, but tomorrow might be your turn to get a taste of it.
Let’s focus on the actual scammers who stole all the money.
This is true Guest!!
But not for today!!! Today all of us want to say to people like you: you are a complete stupid guy to invest money in this kind of thing!!!
And now the charade. They are all going to play it like nothing has happened and business as usual.
They have scheduled a conference for today and pretending this SEC thing is not happening. Same as Zeek. They can only play ford so long.
I saw one clown pointing to the word “alleged” in the complaint and proclaiming the SEC had no proof TelexFree is a Ponzi scheme.
Oh dear.
Meanwhile I’m only up to page 6 of the complaint, it’s going to be a long night.
Given the scope of this thing I wonder why Mass. is taking the lead rather than the Feds. The complaint is very thorough. Everything is there.
Rodrigo, you should feel bad. Most of the victims are latinos (like yourself). One of them could be your Daddy! You never know.
This is live…
TelexFree Corporate: “TelexFree is still in business”
“Functionality (including access to backoffice) will be limited for a few weeks due to system updates” LOL!
“Given what’s happened of late, it’s not going to be easy to recruit people.”
Yeah, yeah… We in Brazil have been listening to that BS since Acre’s PP froze TF/Ympactus assets.
I bet Carlos Costa will come up with another video soon enough saying that there’s no need to worry because SEC is wrong about everything, or that the charges are just a speculation, or that all is but conspiracy of the telecom companies…
Same old thing they’ve been saying non-stop in Brazil since June last year.
But please you people tell us what is taking place with our business telexfree.
“The SEC action is about the old compensation plan, I don’t know how that’s going to work.”
It’s going to work like this: Anything TelexFree has done after the AdCentral investment scheme is irrelevant.
Wow, talk about complete denial! It’s really sad.
No shit, they still think the bankruptcy application, which was rejected, is still valid.
Speechless!
Lost all I had! Not from USA, from UK! did not know all this matters, saw my brother was earning, so i joined with all I had. so the bankruptcy case is not valid now? or they can still claim it within 14 days? if the case get rejected, will they pay us.
Assets , can anyone shade more light on these ?
STEPHEN COSTA, LLC
http://business-bankruptcies.com/cases/stephen-costa-llc
TELEXFREE, LLC
http://business-bankruptcies.com/cases/telexfree-llc
TELEXFREE, INC.
http://business-bankruptcies.com/cases/telexfree-inc
TELEXFREE FINANCIAL, INC
http://business-bankruptcies.com/cases/telexfree-financial-inc
i just talked to my brother in law .. how has 5 accounts in TF.. and he said it is all bull**** .. haha that this wont affect him in anyway.. that all is still running smoothly..
Q: What impact does William Galvin’s work have on all this? will this veredict shut them down for good or this is just evidence gathering to eventually shut them down??
Alright guys the article is up as a final draft. I’m off to bed (almost 4am here). I’ll be back to check for any updates in the morning.
“First Day Motions”
Stephen Costa LLC appears to be a single member LLC -He probably was paid as a consultant. Trying to protect his ass.
Telexfree LLC This one of central importance. Note that they are requesting authority to pay bills from this company. Typical stuff. Debtors meeting on 5/15 for all of these entities
The other two are “me too” Nothing substantive shown.
Application was a great read.
As for the video above???
Even I can’t bring myself to add one of my snarky comments. It’s very sad.
Telexfree website is down! No access to backoffice or anything at this time (~3P Eastern). You are able to access ewallet outside of telexfree in case you have some money caught up in ewallet.
I checked and the money withdrawed from TF on last Tue 4/8/2014 has not posted yet to ewallet nor do I expect it to. I’m sure there have been mass withdrawals lately, which probaly have caused significant cash flow problems for TF.
Sadly, I think that TF will point their finger at the government and blame forces beyond their control for their downfall and their inability to fulfill their old contracts. The government action will be a perfect excuse for them to say that it’s not our fault that we can’t pay you.
I lost money in this scheme, but I consider this a learning experience and am thankful to have found this blog, which have made me a smarter, more skeptical, more ethical investor.
BTW that dude in comment #30 has a hot mama. (That’s the only thing I got out of the video after watching the whole thing)
I’m guessing they just got raided.
Be nice if we had someone on the ground there. If it’s anything like Zeek Rewards there’s probably a bunch of guys in jackets carting equipment out and putting padlocks on the doors.
oz,
i have a lot o friends who sold their cars, houses, business etc… to joint telexfree, most of tham ilegal immigrants in state of mass, how could this people have a light in the end of the tunnel to get anything back?
im trying to help them as much as i can becouse i live just 20 min from the marlborough headquarter and can (could) just drive by and ask question but im not an expert. legally what these people could rely on??? thanks for your enswer. and good job on the coverage of this telexfree scheme.
Affiliates are reporting all TelexFree products (VOIP) just went dead too.
The Telexfree website and app have been taken down.
@marcelo
I have no idea on the recover of money. I only analyse the business model side of things. See a lawyer.
99% sure its over
Lol, even with the SEC pounding on their door and dragging them away, TelexFree still found the time to go to court today and file a bunch more crap for the Chatper 11.
Despite the application being rejected due to incompetion, they are asking the court “speed up” the first hearing because “irrepairable harm” will be caused to their named creditors (Wanzeler, Costa and Merril’s family and friends).
They are pleading the court give them a hearing on the 17th.
These guys are truly clueless.
http://www.kccllc.net/telexfree/document/list/3846?nh=1
Interesting the First Day Motions on 4/14 asked permission for Telexfree LLC to pay bills. Without any action taken on that motion it appears as if Telex’ tank has run dry. They had no authority to pay their carriers.
Finally!!! TelexFree is gone for good!
I think this is the biggest global pyramid/ponzi scam ever. $1.2 billion! That’s a lot of money!!
What about if they start it, they will have more “chance” or is just a strategy to do something. Now that they know about the SEC, they can use all things in their hands..
It look like a prisioner in the death row. They will try anything… They don’t have anything to loose.
The SEC explicitly stated in their complaint that the Chapter 11 will interfere with their case against the company. They aren’t going to let it go through.
And in any case, you don’t get hearings when your application has been rejected. You need to submit a valid and accepted Chapter 11 bankruptcy proposal before you get to appear before a judge and plead your case.
Dar… this is just a emergency to transfer the money!! They know they will lose everything! The ship are sinking!! I just imagine, even if it happens, the SEC can easily undone it and get the money back, right?
That I can’t say. My knowledge on the legalities of Chapter 11s and SEC interventions is limited.
I’ve never had a Ponzi scheme I was tracking pull chapter 11 so this is all new to me.
Now the maintenance screen is showing.
Need someone over at the office to take some photos!
This was on Faith Sloans site….
hmmmm may want to cancel that…..
Unfortunately it appears your friends have made a serious mistake. They might get some of their money back in two or three years.
They need to move on, there is nothing else for them to do.
Funny thing: my company’s firewall blocks TF website informing that if fits the “questionable / scam / illegal” category.
LOL!
TF is no more.
Funny that Stuart Macmillan wasn’t mentioned in the SEC complaint.
According to Labriola, Macmilllan was last seen yesterday in a plane “heading south”… I wonder if he made it over the border in time.
Not so easy. Difficult. Those who have the money are spending it and hiding it. You can count on that.
Normally a crisis manager is hired because he is independent, competent and has no prior ties to the company.
And the big hammer finally comes down! That should also answer all the skeptics’ concerns about why the US gov’t take a little longer to shut down ponzi’s.
The bigger the fish, the juicier the meat.
Great work and awesome coverage again, OZ.
Now Let The Next Big Ponzi Scheme And Its Supporters Step Forward.
Afternoon from South Africa.
This TelexFree has spooled over to us, so I do not think this will ever stop as a few people I know have now started buying this product or monstrosity.
As with most ponzi schemes the early investors made money as long as they did not reinvest.
The brazilian are going to be shooting each other in the streets over this scheme. They will blame the promoters and go after them.
The management should be put in jail for life because if the lives they have destroyed
It’s unfortunate that the ones in denial are lumped in with those who knew it was a scam all along and took others along for the ride.
What’s even sadder is people will continue to fall for similar Ponzi schemes and will lose their life savings. Not to mention, ruin their reputation and credibility as well.
Such is life in the great “scheme” of things.
Another thing I found striking in the MA state Securities investigation is that this entire billion dollar revenue enterprise including customer service for their golden VOIP product was run by a skeleton crew of seven people who got paid peanuts. (The total payroll expenses for these staff was declared at $120,683.88 in 2013).
Costa’s wife not listed.
I swear the SEC reads your work Oz to inform their own caseload.
Will those that are named in the complaint be arrested if the office is raided? or does that come later?
great job Oz and contributors, they are done. this is USA, not brazil taking action, a simple phone call stops bankruptcy, the SEC joins up with DOJ and its over.
Fact 1: TF is a ponzi,
Fact 2: ponzis get shut down or implode when recruitment slows
Fact 3 TF was over from the day of inception but idiots had to learn a costly lesson
The listed criminals need jail time, like Thomas “Andy” Bowdoin Jr.
Please review myadvertisingpays, its next and is headed by ponzi pimp Simon Stepsys leading the idiot pack.
Brazilian news iG has some interesting tidbits:
http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Feconomia.ig.com.br%2F2014-04-15%2Ftelexfree-e-piramide-diz-autoridade-dos-eua.html
The case was probably prepared before he came onboard, and they decided he ain’t worth changing the case over.
Please go after Santiago de la rosa and Jose Lopez from Lawrence MA.
Telexfree has a huge traffic and a lot of user data. I’m sure this company name can easily be sold and the business model converted right?
That would be a win win for everyone.
does anyone have any information on my 2 questions
#1 The promoters that were net profitable. Will they get to keep the money?
#2 Is there a chance some people will get jail time? if so who?
Nope. It’s obtained under false promises, and there’s no way it can obtain permission from all of you individually to allow the sale of such information.
No way to know. Unlike Zeek where SEC froze everything one day out of the blue, TelexFree is trying to dodge with a bankruptcy, and so far only Massachusetts has taken action.
Company is not in receivership, though the government would love to force it into one. And for that to happen, it has to prove to a judge that the bankruptcy is bull caca. But that should not be hard.
Too early to tell. There’s civil, then there’s CRIMINAL charges. So far, it’s just allegations and judge has yet to hear anything.
Imprecise as always. The SEC is a FEDERAL AGENCY, the Securities Division of any State is not quite at the same level.
Again, I have no stake in anything MLM, I am just terribly amused by the pompous attitude and bickering and yes, reporting on this site. A flair all of it’s own 🙂
Let’s not forget about WINGSNETWORK running something almost like this, I believe it’s based in Portugal, you invest $1500 get 2 friends to do the same and voila! $750 a month for 1 year, plus some other bonuses if you bring more people in.
It’s getting so popular here in MA that the CEO Carlos Barbosa landed here last month to cheer up the associates. It’s spreading like a virus.
@ oz
It is going around that a federal judge dismissed the SEC case. Any truth in this story?
This is a “letter” addressing the TF administration done by the 10th ranked “creditor” Paola Zollo Alecci resident in the Island of Madeira:
facebook.com/paola.alecci/posts/10203631707012055
If she’s handing over all that money so easly, imagine how much she got already in her bank account….
Why does the time on that seal says 8:42pm April 15th?
Its not even 7pm yet.
How will those in UNITED KINGDOM complain
So I was on the 5P Steve Labriola conference call with 800+ other people. I have never been on a conf call with that many people before and it was quite noisy in the beginning. Then about 5-10 min into the conf call everything goes mute and the man of the hour Steve enters.
His speech was very short and he basically came on to say that he has no answers at the moment and leaves with the promise that he would be coming back at 5P every day on conf call no matter what even if he has to say the same no answers crap.
I’m sure there was a collective gasp and OMG amongst the affiliates as they had been waiting all day to here from Labriola. The high level promoters were basically referring all their victims to wait for this call and I’m sure there was major disappointment.
But these epic fails have come to be expected of this sham company known as TelexFree.
Injunction???
Wanna understand the intricacies Chapter 11? Jeannine Guerrero breaks it all down for you at 9:40 in that hilarious video.
“You go to court, the judge says ‘How much do you owe?’ Let’s say $10mil. Judge says, ‘What are your assets?’ Let’s say $30mil! Judge says, ‘OK. pay those people.'”
Easy Peasy, what could be simpler and better for everybody? Uh…Jeanine. seems you got it just a bit backwards. If assets were 3 times liabilities they wouldn’t BE there looking to get excused from paying their debts. They’d be what’s called a “Going Concern”, AKA “solvent”, AKA “capable of paying their affiliates, promoters or whatever you call the suckers these days”.
Gotta love Ponzi Pimps. Liars to the very end.
@ t santos
This is just homemade YouTube video made in Brazil and he is saying a lot of bullshit without any proof.
Pure BS. That guy is just another clown who does not want the people he fooled into TF raging against him.
He mixes SEC charges with bankruptcy process and say that is all part of the conspiracy. Of course, after evoking “god” a hundred times.
A lot of telexzombies in ultra-denial-mode are spreading the word, here in Brazil, that “some judge” suspended SEC investigations.
None of those clowns knows nothing about anything.
i heard telexfree has won the case. is it true?
Some brazilian blogs (pro TF) and some scammers are spreading the word that “Telexfree has a victory in the US. Judge grants injunction overturning the SEC report”.
And then they publish the link to the “NOTICE OF HEARING AND ORDER SHORTENING TIME TO HEAR DEBTORS’ FIRST DAY MOTIONS AND APPLICATIONS” document.
REALLY?!?!
Some clowns are already making videos about that and how people need not to worry, in the best “Y SO SERIOUS” style.
Man… I don’t know if people are just plain stupid or cannot use Google Translator at all.
So this guy on post #81 is confident that TF is gonna go through all of this.. what really gets me though is he mentions GOD in his speech.. c’mon man.. God has nothing to do with SCAM.. but BECAUSE of Him and His Justice, TELEXFREE IS GOING BYE BYE!!
I hope this ends well for the victims and these “brilliant business people” end in JAIL … just like Maddoff did..
peace!
Telexfree is coming back stronger than ever for your haters.
Just sign up now before is too late.
What are the chances TF’s website is down because they are just trying to hide the servers and/or data away from justice?
As a reminder, they have already pulled the “we have no access to any data” in Brazil’s justice.
Could they be moving it somewhere outside US jurisdiction? Could they just be erasing every trace of information and then blame it later on the “IT guys”?
I’ve seem that in other 2 brazilian scams, recently.
Just my 2 cents…
They already got rid of a lot of data in these few weeks.
No
The Federal Bankruptcy Judge in Las Vegas signed an Order approving an expedited Hearing. That is all. The Hearing is April 17.
Being under the jurisdiction of the BK Court, Telexfree can not even flush the toilets without approval. In this case TF is asking to maintain the most basic of services, such as keeping the electricity on and permission to pay their Voip carrier.
There’s some other stuff but its all concerned with the basic housekeeping services any business needs to operate.
The Hearing can be continued indefinitely at the Judge’s discretion and because the Hearing is being conducted on shortened notice anyone can show up. The State of Massachusetts will almost certainly do so… in which case its highly probable that Telexfree’s lights will go out forever.
No.
Those people have a reading comprehension problem.
A PROPOSED order, dated April 17 (2 days from now)?
What the promoters haven’t realized is that their own contracts will be terminated in a bankruptcy.
Telex submitted it as a (proposed) Order but since it been signed by Judge Augie Landis, its now an Approved Order. The Hearing is set.
He signed “Entered on docket April 15, 2014”.
The hearing is set to April 17 1:30 p.m.
And TelexFree just deleted ALL the content they had on their web hosting… The following URLs return a 404 error.
telexfree.com/usa
telexfree.com/legal_announcement.html
telexfree.com/service
telexfree.com/geraldnehra
telexfree.com/founders
telexfree.com/contact
telexfree.com/institutional
telexfree.com/login
telexfree.com/forgotpassword
? Yes and?
@Eddyo
I doubt it. Why would a federal judge be hearing a Masachusetts case? (might be showing my legal ignorance here).
As for the tax thing. I just woke up but people posting about how “TelexFree won” their bankruptcy should note, the entered documents are proposals, not final orders. TelexFree are supplying the Judge with proposed orders to be signed.
How they expect anything to be signed when their initial application was rejected and has not been refiled escapes me.
1) Promoters may keep some of the money. This is how this works. DOJ comes to Promoter X and says: give back 2 million net gain you had. Promoter X says I spend some so I only have 1.5 Million. On top of that I will be willing to part with only 1 million. If you want all th money go after me in court. I will spend all of them on layers to stretch this case for foreseeable future. At this point DOJ looks if they have enough for criminal prosecution. If not they agree to term and Promoter X comes out scoots free with some money left.
2) I see only 2 people that can be charged, but my guess DOJ will drop those charges if they can flipped on Costa.
@leo
I spotted that too. I think it was supposed to say AM. Might have been the first thing they stamped today so they forgot to flick the stamp over from yesterday.
@hoss
I might still just be half asleep but all I see on the KCC website is the proposed order for the meeting, submitted by TelexFree this morning. There’s no finalised order, signed or otherwise.
Or are you pulling additional documents from Pacer?
Actually you did not read previous comments from OZ and others. In US when some company declared a scam, people from DOJ or local police come to confiscate computers on the same day or next day. It is common theme.
I am 99% sure that office computers got confiscated already. That does not mean that telexfree could not keep most of data necessary to run back-office on backup computers. This way they will restart back-office website (without payouts off cause). This charade is necessary to prolong the agony of innocent.
Actually local securities authorities can put a press on only company in its homesteads even better that SEC. Just ask many Wall Street companies how they like previous NY AG and how much did they have to pay for cases to go away.
In this case of cause SEC and DOJ will be leads but locals could have done good job too if it was up them.
The Steve Labriola “lawyers told me to shutup so I have no answers” call (April 15th).
I’m referencing Case 14-12524-abl Doc 22 Entered 04/15/14 11:00:29
From Pacer?
I’ve been checking the KCC site, but if it’s out of date I should probably check Pacer instead.
Either way, if it has been since approved I imagine nothing much will happen on the 17th save for a colossal smackdown. You can’t bankruptcy your way out of running a Ponzi scheme.
ANOTHER SCAM… MAYBE THE SAME TELEXFREE PEOPLE
hey guys, you should start looking out for other schemes like these… there is one going on right now called 1clickday.com its just like telexfree and it just started also, about 6 months ago.
I see only 2 people that can be charged, but my guess DOJ will drop those charges if they can flipped on Costa.
Um there are several reasons for quite a few of these assholes to be going to prison. My faaavorite one on this particular day in the USA iiiiis?????…..It’s “tax” day.
This is only the begining….my feeling is that there will be a few different government agencies jumping in for their wack at these guys. Lets say today’s issues disapeared like the brain in Labriola’s head did some time ago….
The fact that 1099’s haven’t gone out to thousands of the contractors is a bit of a problem for my friends.
You can not look for all of them. There are hundreds if not thousands of such scams running at any time. Until government start treating running pro-scam forums as a crime, there is no way to stop this menace.
I downloaded doc 22 from KCC Site earlier. I can not get the site to open the doc now. Maybe the link to it is broken or the affiliates have worn it out.
Doc22 on the KCC site is a proposal, it is not signed by a Judge (it’s signed by TelexFree’s lawyers).
If a Judge signs it the first thing they usually do is scribble out proposal and write order and sign it.
KCC are publishing court responses on their site (the initial rejection is evidence of this), but as of yet there’s no confirmed order scheduling the proposed hearing.
Short of it appearing later, I maintain you can’t request a first hearing, hastened or otherwise, when your initial bankruptcy application was rejected (and hasn’t been refiled).
I hope SEC have every evidence they need, because they started deleting file for about a month now, and they probably finished today.
I meant I see two in USA that can sure this for prosecution. But as criminal investigations go, you flip small fish on medium fish and you flip medium fish on large fish. Thats why some in US may end up with probations with they can build air tight case on Costa.
Complain to ActionFraud, and ask them to liaison with the US authorities in Mass (and Brazil, PP’s office in Acre)
This could be bigger criminal offense then running scam itself. If SEC will be able to prove that somebody ordered wiping out files, they will go to jail for long/long time.
business-bankruptcies.com/cases/telexfree-llc
OZ, I don’t know if it was posted already but That’s the official File of every filing TelexFree has done So far from the Nevada Filing.
@Roman
I believe that’s a privately run website – and it’s out of date.
Like I said: “I saw it in my back office”.
It all started a month ago. How much I made and how I paid.
LOL. Turns out I was half asleep. That document 22 has a judge’s signature right there on the top!
Still says proposed though which is strange.
In any case, like has been stated I imagine the Massachusetts Securities Division will rock up and have the meeting tossed as soon as it begins. And that’ll be the end of that.
My guess would be Labriola’s been told to shut it on the hope the Securities Division doesn’t show up and spoil their party.
Labriola is having a public meltdown. His audio was a disoriented verbal display of non connection to reality.
This is what a Ponzie Rock Star looks like when he’s falling….he cant let it go….
Telexfree site in Maintenance for hours!
So from what I understand my upline gets to keep all the maney they fraudulently took from us, now they move to Wings and make some more money until it gets close down, then they move to another one, and so on and on.
Wow, what a great way to make a living, stealing from Aholes and getting to keep all the money without having to worry about getting caught. And if they do get caught they can say they thought it was a real business and sorry I don’t have the money anymore, I gambled it all away…
As when Zeek Reward went down, all these little clone sites collapse shortly after. TelexFree only survived as long as it did because of the momentum it gained via deception.
With all the facts laid out bare by the regulators none of the reboot schemes can achieve the same level of deception.
It takes a few months but the clone sites do eventually die out, with most involved (die-hards and leaders from the mother Ponzi) losing their money.
Given the expedited nature of the request , signing the Proposed was probably the quickest way to get it on the docket. I would not be surprised if Mass. wrote up an objection and electronically filed it tomorrow. A quick call to the Court clerk and the Mass findings and ponzi allegations would be in the Judge’s hands by noon.
Galvan fully realized what Telexfree was up to so he must be prepared to respond. Maybe he will even attend the Hearing telephonically. (VOIP of course)
The worst part is that people do not learn. At full drop TF is already in full pre-launch its sustitiuto, WISH CLUB. With the same system without actual product where you pay an entry charge and display advertising.
In this scheme important promoters of TF, BBOM and WCM777 involved. It even seems that there is a direct link with the latter and some other scheme declared illegal in Brazil before.
Its official launch will be in a few days, base their operations in Spain trying to avoid legislation and controls in countries like Brazil or Colombia. WISH CLUB spreads like wildfire among Hispanics, well sure there will be many victims.
Then come the cries.
In Madeira, the people are into other schemes: Wings Network, wenyard, etc etc.. A report in RTP Madeira (TV channel) 2 two days ago, said that Madeira Island already has 30,000 customers in WingsNetwork. Every week there are meetings / conferences a Hotel.
People have no idea what they are doing. They just want to know if they will receive money no matter what.
Rwandans appeal to government to help them recover their TelexFree Ponzi losses:
Yeah, good luck with that guys. Don’t they know TelexFree disowned them when they got kicked out of the country?
http://www.newtimes.co.rw/news/index.php?i=15694&a=76121
TelexFree – Changing lives.
*sigh* TelexFree never registered in Rwanda. It’s a local affiliate feeling too big for his britches.
FYI Telex website is down. It states that it will be back in 2 hours.
Yeah, it says 2 hours but that was posted about 12 hours ago.
That’s rather unbelievable. I believe RTP has got the data from some “insider” in Wings. You can probably divide the claimed number of members by 10, 20 or 50.
30,000 / 10 = 3,000 real members
30,000 / 20 = 1,500 real members
30,000 / 50 = 600 real members
If the same people are promoting Wenyard, the divisor should be higher than 50.
A little fun editing showing how the day before Carlos Costa was wishing Brazil had the US law system… if he had waited just one day he would’ve salved himself from the embarrasment:
I landed here today to get the updates and the 1st comment I come across is Sol’s.
Really? If TF investing was privilege of the uneducated and ignorant you would certainly be on the top 30 TF creditors for sure. APPALLING. GROSS.
I too invested in telexfree. Just wanted to know if a class action suit is worth the time?…Has anybody started one yet?
what are the chances of a newly joined member getting back his initial investment
Wings network is now very popular in Italy.
You can count already Thousands of affiliation and it would have been even bigger if Carlos Barbosa had not incurred in a problem with Wells Fargo Bank rejecting affiliate banks Wire.
Oz, keep an eye on that Network.
UNCONFIRMED:
I believe that number may refer to Wings accounts, not Wings real users. I still find very hard to believe Madeira had 40.000 users in there by last January. It probably was simply 40.000 accounts, which is a much more reasonable figure. Some users have a lot of accounts.
40.000 people in Madeira using Telexfree*
No. Whether this ends up in Receivership or Bankruptcy, private actions (class action in this case) will be automatically stayed (prohibited.) This means that the Reciever or Trustee has first shot at all funds and assets of Telexfree as well as litigation rights against the culpable insiders.
All of it? Very Very low and years from now.
@Restelo’s Old Man/M_Norway
Regarding Madeira having 41k users in Telexfree.
Considering one that their main facebook closed-group has approximately 20.000 users (let’s say 75% has accounts), i think it’s safe to say the numbers are correct if not a bit higher by the time it was shutdown.
Also, in order for the main ‘promoters’ in Madeira Island (250k habitants) get a monthly(3 weeks?) ROI of around 300k a lot of people had to be under them.
It’s shocking to realize that almost 20% of Madeira fell for this. A lot of people i know, whom i had in great consideration and considered extremely intelligent and smart people, fell for it. And i’m not talking of “hey, i know what this is, i’m going to take a risk” … i’m talking of “this is the new big thing, people are paying their debts with this, we actually work while posting ads, you are just an envyous person for saying that”. Needless to say, this all situation also helped a lot of us to realise who can be trusted and considered a smart person and who is plain out ignorant and dumb.
Today’s news from the Dominican Republic
SANTO DOMINGO. The Specialized Prosecutor for Money Laundering and the District Attorney’s office in Santo Domingo initiated an investigation into the alleged laundering of assets, fraud and violations of the Security, Monetary and Financial laws which involves the TelexFREE Dominicana commercial enterprise. The company has allegedly affected 150,000 persons all over the country with its actions.
I live in Dominican Republic I can confirm comment #150.
Many ppl I know invested in telexfree and now they lost their money. It is sad but this is not the first time that this happen in the country… they just dont learn.
That’s interesting because I do remember a whole bunch of data in the AdCentral mysteriously disappeared back in Feb although they were still paying out back then so most people did not care.
Is TelexFree down worldwide? There were some countries such as where it was just beginning to catch on and I was wondering if they were affected as well.
Remember that the 41K figure is from last January. Most of the people close to me entered it after that date, after it being noticed in the local television channel that people were getting big profits from it. Most of them now lost everything they gambled in.
It is obvious as well, from the facebooks of both Graça Luísa and Paola, that many of their downlines are not from Madeira as well. I don’t know what was the source for the 41K number, but I seriously doubt it.
If we discount the children and the internet-impaired, it would mean that by January a third to half of the target population was already hooked to it, which I find quite impossible. I wouldn’t doubt, however, that current numbers (April) would be quite high.
I’m a former co-worker of Graça Luísa, and remember her as a cunning girl doing a respected work, but obviously under her potential and expectations. Since Telexfree started his free fall to nohere, she and Paola seem to be being hailed as saints on their facebookpages, inclusively by well respected people here.
I suspect they are giving away their (ill gained) money to compensate for the losses of their downlines. If that is the case, the situation here will not be as bad as predicted, at least for the people part of their teams.
The guy carrying the boxes is in the third photo:
http://www.metrowestdailynews.com/article/20140415/News/140417784
Pay close attention to what she states in the so called “open letter addressed to the TF administration”.
She’s giving back ONLY the $456,342 listed on the top 30 creditors list to help recover the “company”…and what is that worth NOW?!
I bet she got alot more stashed away under some rock in her garden…
@Restelo’s Old Man
I guess we both agree that the numbers are correct or a bit higher, frightening nonetheless. I agree that the number of accounts has probably increased with the genious move by telexfree, warning that the plans would change, it opened a window of opportunity to get more affiliates under the premise that “it’s better to get in now, things will change’.
Not knowing any of those top promoters (such as Graça Luisa, or any of the others) i honestly hope they do the right thing and refund their latest entries.
Still, i’m unable to feel pity for those persons, same way i don’t expect pity for doing something stupid.
As for some promoters, that made vain promisses and lied as for how longer this scheme would last (heard people claiming it would last 1 year or 2, even people that claimed it would never ever close) in order to make more easy money, i hope they get what they deserve.
Patrick Pretty and MetroWest Daily News are now reporting that Homeland Security Investigations have raided the TelexFree offices in Marlborough, Mass.
Patricks’ article can be found on his blog at http://www.patrickpretty.com/2014/04/16/developing-story-federal-agents-raid-telexfree-massachusetts-newspaper-reports-and-publishes-photo/ and the MetroWest story with pix at: http://www.metrowestdailynews.com/article/20140415/NEWS/140417784/11514/NEWS
Hello All.
I just wanna share something that I thought was weird. The support portal site is still functioning. Who’s running it? What kinda support can they possible be providing right now? Check out the link: support.telexfree.com/Main
just saw pics, looks legit
I’m from Madeira, but live and work in the mainland. I earn a decent living in IT and people back home see me as intelligent and balanced. Still I warned my family and friends that this was a scam and no one cared. The money just came pouring down and nobody cared.
I couldn’t stop it, how could I? I know some people are in the green, others in the deep red, and who will they turn to bail them out? Yes, you guessed right, it’s the people who work their ass off to make a living and pay their bills. What a wonderful world.
and yeah the 41k number is probably right, seeing as 95% of people i know are in it
it’s just too sad
Hey guys, have you seen this?
http://www.metrowestdailynews.com/article/20140415/News/140417784
Please place Wings Network in the correct thread. Here’s a link to my latest comment in that thread:
BREAKING NEWS:
TelexFree headquarters get raided by U.S. Homeland Security Agents.
More information and pictures on the source.
Source:
http://www.metrowestdailynews.com/article/20140415/NEWS/140417784/11514/NEWS?tag=2
Maybe you guys will love to read this:
“Today I am a victim of Telexfree, says the company’s largest promoter (Sann Rodrigues)”
http://translate.google.com.br/translate?hl=pt-BR&sl=pt-BR&tl=en&u=http://economia.ig.com.br/2014-04-16/hoje-sou-uma-vitima-da-telexfree-diz-maior-divulgador-da-empresa.html&sandbox=0&usg=ALkJrhjqrjsccWOlEHjeDJAYKs_-0nL9vA
Well done Guernsey and Jersey Islands police and gov, you protected your citizens and economy.
.. but the Madeiran gov ?
What’s next ? The Madeiran government needs to make plans : Suicides are a major possibility. Though it’s only money and it’s a cowards way out, cos the proper thing is to face up to your responsibilities and rebuild life brick by brick.
– Does Madeiran government need to look to ‘victims’ ?
I don’t mean people who put money in of their own free-will, but there are 3 other classes.
1. Coerced money, e.g. where grannies ‘pension’ was put in on the promise she would get it back.
.. That is stolen money.
2. Madeiran Businesses like doctors etc. who are going to be under pressure cos their customers are going to plead “we can’t pay, we don’t have cash”.
3. The Madeiran taxpayers who are going to have to pay for this mess, eg. pay income support to kids whoses families lost all their money.
– Their might be fights between ‘winners’ and the losers they introduced into the scheme.
.. The lazy thing would be to let ‘winners’ keep their money, but how can profits be considered to be honestly theirs if it originates from fraud ?
– Maybe authorities should pay attention for people and money trying to leave the island.
OMG!!!! That is hilarious. Thank you for the giggle Diego.
He doesn’t know why he’s being named in this? ..lol
These guys are to funny….They’r going to RAT each other out so fast, they’ll be clawing over one another to get to the law to make deals …..
And as the season finale of “With Love, TelexFree” comes to an end, the three amigos Carlos, Carlos, and Jim can be seen being led away in hand and ankle cuffs.
The camera slowly zooms in on Carlos Costa with head his down and a tear running down his rosy cheek as he quietly makes his way toward the paddy wagon…
Cue the song “White Flag” – By Dido…
By the way…
But when state investigators learned on Monday of the company’s filing for Chapter 11 protection in the U.S. Bankruptcy Court for the District of Nevada, Galvin said “any concern about freezing the assets was gone.”
“We felt we had to act,” he said, to begin securing any assets the company still had and try to stop more customers from signing up with the company.
I want to say thank you to Secretary of State William F. Galvin for an outstanding job. “BOSTON STRONG”!!!!
The Madeiran government should do what? Most of the public oficials and workers were affiliates of the scam! Do you think anything will happen? It’s latinos we’re talking about here!
Thanks for keeping everyone updated guys. I had to duck out shortly after I published my initial unconfirmed comment. Only just got back.
From the article linked to by Diego in post #157
My thanks in advance to anyone who can provide a clearer translation than Google. But, once again we have Gerry Nehra trading his good name and a little bit of his soul for the money that (yet another) ponzi scheme operator will give him.
Nehra was once the most (or one of the most) respected attorneys in the MLM field now it’s almost impossible to see how he is any different than any of the other ponzi pimps out there.
He many not have had a position in the comp plan but he took money to lie to the marks and used his “reputation” to legitimize fraud. And not for the first time.
I Live in Madeira, here the people dont think, for them telexfree is going to open again, and the one ho says not is crazy jealous lol. Ignorant people.
He smelled a “smash-and-grab the piggy bank” in the making from a mile away.
I’m talking specially about Graça Luísa, but I see the same reactions in Paola FB, therefore I suspect they are doing the right thing indeed and refunding at least some people in more need.
I’m not speaking of the crappy open letter Paola wrote to Telexfree, that thing was well defined in one of the comments: “Me to, I also give mine!!! (They won’t let me withdraw it, anyway)”
How can a person give back what they never had?
My experience is that the main culprit was the RTP coverage in January (I have to admit that I myself had thought for a nanosecond if that would worth joining in, indeed).
Anyway, I was convinced that the 300K number refers to the total credit they owned her, not just last week or last 3 weeks. I seem to remember that Telexfree had a ceiling for withdrawals, in that case that value would merely be what she couldn’t withdraw or exchange with other people for money.
I hope it helps.
Is Telexfree a financial pyramid?
I believe that a company that is represented by one of the TOP authorities in the field, who is the lawyer Gerald Nehra… I can’t believe that Gerald Nehra would lend his name to be used on Telexfree’s website…
I believed that, if the lawyer was Gerald Nehra, then the business was legal. So, I can’t give you a answer. In my opinion it is not a pyramid, but who has to answer is the lawyer of Telexfree.
My take (I’m not a professional translator, though):
Sann Rodrigues used Google Hangout to talk to the brazilian people.
All the participants are brazilians.
Some of the things he said were:
– Harvard Law School offers a course about MLM. (That is a lie well spread around here.)
– The shutdown of FoneClub by SEC was only a mistake in the marketing plan.
– Only joined Telexfree because of Nehra.
– In 2006, when he was operating FoneClub, he called Carlos Wanzeler and offered a partnership. But Wanzeler did not accept.
– God created MLM. God created Adam and Eve, the first binary. Then added jokingly that the Devil created the pyramid schemes.
Does anybody know how all this will affect accounts opened in non US territory?
After the ban in Brazil things operated smoothley everywhere else in the world….. it will no doubt be difficult to get more promoters which will of course will make things much more difficult.
Think of your account as an empty bucket.
my question is. “IF” they reimburse any money those it goes from the highest investors down until it drains or reversal.
Oz you da man! If there was a donation service on this site, im sure i speak for many ppl out there, you would be rich by now man!!! Great work bro!!!! Masterpiece!
That makes sense. I wasn’t aware they had a cap on how much you can withdraw from their accounts. With that in mind, it becomes quite difficult to grasp the true values of their monthly incomes.
That may seem logical and fair but most of the “highest investors” will not be able OR willing to return the money they received so relatively little money will be recovered in this way.
The bulk of recovery will be from the seizure of Telexfree company bank and brokerage accounts, but even then, that is not nearly going to cover what has been lost by the “lowest investors” .
Does this mean I can’t purchase their VOIP service now?
i wanna know rightnow… who has won the case and will telexfree come back soon.
thks
Nobody has won “the case.” There is a bankruptcy case, a State of Massachusetts case, and a Federal SEC case and they have all been filed within the last few days.
Cases are not won or lost in a week so if anyone tells you that Telexfree has “won” they are full of crap. One or more of these cases will drag on for years but that makes no difference to you.
The police raided the Telexfree office, the major players are in hiding and the company can not operate. It has no money. It can not even pay its own electricity bills. Its OUT OF BUSINESS completely.
If someone in your country tells you otherwise they are ignorant or dishonest. Is that clear enough?