Extreme Leads INC – Are Payne & Krider still a team?
Brent Payne and Shane Krider first publicly entered into a business partnership when they launched Liberty League International back in 2001. After eight years together in early 2009 Brent Payne abruptly sold his share in Liberty League and shied from the public eye.
Shortly afterwards Krider changed the name of Liberty League to Polaris Media Group and the company continued on under the single leadership of Krider.
A few months ago Brent Payne resurfaced and has since independently launched a new MLM/Network Marketing company, Avant. Referring to Avant as ‘the awareness company’ Payne appears to be going at this venture alone.
Meanwhile Shane Krider partnered up with top Polaris Media Group advisor Rachel Oliver and have since launched a continuation of Polaris Media Group, Polaris Global.
For all intents and purposes it appears Shane Krider and Brent Payne have well and truly split up and parted ways.
…well, almost.
Most likely to capitalize on their Liberty League associates requiring leads to grow their business, Krider and Payne launched their own lead generation business, Extreme Leads Inc., back in 2003.
Like Liberty League International, Extreme Leads Inc seems to have had its fair share of regulatory clashes.
Note: It appears at some point there might have been another company bearing the Extreme Leads Inc. name. Operating as ELI with a contact name Jeffrey Wilson and based out of Michigan.
Both companies using the Extreme Leads Inc. name appear to be involved in unsolicited telemarketing cold calling but I haven’t been able to find any information on ELI, nor been able to link Jeffrey Wilson with Brent Payne, Shane Krider or Liberty League.
For now we’ll assume they are two seperate companies, although I wasn’t able to turn up any information on ELI operating as an independant business either. /end note
In June 2007 the FCC fined Extreme Leads Inc $1,377,000 for ‘delivering at least 218 unsolicited advertisements to the telephone facsimile machines of at least 132 consumers‘.
This fine came after multiple citations from the FCC warning Extreme Leads Inc to stop sending people unsolicited advertising via fax.
Interestingly, just over a month ago now on the 6th May 2010, Shane Krider filed the 2009 corporation annual report for Extreme Leads Inc. In the report the two shareholders of the company are still listed as Shane Krider and Brent Payne.
You can see the report yourself by visiting the Arizona Corporation Commission entry for Extreme Leads Inc, scrolling down to the ‘scanned documents’ section and clicking the document number for the 2009 scanned report.
The scanned report lists the Extreme Leads Inc company address as 14300 N Northsight Blvd #210, Scottsdale Arizona. A google search for this address in turn leads us to website ‘800notes’ where there are claims of unsolicited calls since April 2008 offering a ‘webinar presentation’, all originating from an 800 number bearing the same address.
There are no contact details on the current Polaris Global website, however the Northsight Blvd address can be linked to the company via a tutorial on the MyPolarisOnline website (the address features at the bottom of every page).
Despite being heftily fined it seems Extreme Leads Inc have stopped sending out faxes to people but instead now simply cold call from Polaris Global’s business address offering them a ‘career opportunity‘. The last unsolicited call from on the 800notes website appears to have been reported on 28th April, 2010 just over a month ago.
Given that no mention of Liberty League, Polaris Media Group or Polaris Global appears to be made on the call it seems that the idea behind the call is to simply generate leads. This indicates that Extreme Leads Inc. is still operational and generating leads for its customers.
If true and Extreme Leads is not only still in business but turning over a decent profit, this explains why Krider has bothered to file the company’s annual report to keep it registered. You’ll note on the Arizona Corporate Commission entry for Extreme Leads Inc. that on the 3rd of May 2010 the commission sent Extreme Leads Inc. a reminder that their company report was overdue. The commission also threatened to dissolve the company if one wasn’t filed.
Three days later on the 6th of May 2010, Krider filed the 2009 annual report.
The greater question raised by Krider bothering to file the 2009 annual report, Extreme Leads Inc’s apparent recent telemarketing efforts to generate business and Krider and Brent Payne listed as sole shareholders of the company, is are the once business partners still in business together?
The money Payne needed to recently start Avant had to come from somewhere.
I can’t really think of any other reason Krider would choose to keep Extreme Leads Inc. going unless it was still generating some sort of profit. Furthermore I’m at a loss to reason why Payne was listed as a shareholder, especially if he’s not making any money from Extreme Leads Inc since leaving Liberty League in early 2009.
One can only wonder that if the pair do indeed still maintain a business relationship through Extreme Leads Inc., then are there any other business relationships between the two the general public aren’t aware of.
If Extreme Leads Inc. isn’t operating, then it begs the question as to why Krider would bother filing an annual report rather then dissolving the company itself. Or at the very least, remove Payne as a shareholder.
Great article Oz! I recall the days of being in Liberty League and the suggestion to sign up with a leads company. LLI listed on their back office, I believe a few different companies, one of them Extreme Leads, which they never divulged was their company.
I mistakenly signed up with a different one and the leads were horrible! Many of them were people who wanted to make an extra $200-500 per month (which didn’t match up with the high price of LLI conferences), had no idea about signing up or volunteering their information, or it was the wrong number, or no longer in service.
That is interesting that the FCC was onto Brent and Shane for their fax spamming. “Do what it takes” is their motto!
This is further proof that Brent and Shane have no idea how to run businesses. They built teams in the 1990’s when there was very little data available to catch such slimy techniques that they still used into 2010. “Just go make it happen” was their best advice. Never any real concrete ways to build a solid foundation.
This is the kind of leadership you will inherit when you became a slave (independent associate) of Avant or Polaris Global.
It also makes you wonder. If these guys can keep a $1M fine a secret, what other skeletons are in the closet?
Oz – look here: http://www.fcc.gov/eb/Orders/2007/FCC-07-131A1.html
It appears there is another company with the same name:
So it appears that ELI, Inc – a.k.a. Extreme Leads, Inc. – is a different company based out of Michigan.
Here’s some more info from that same page:
I think you missed the mark on this one.
I’m no fan, but they’re not keeping a $1M fine secret – Oz exposed the wrong company:
http://www.fcc.gov/eb/Orders/2007/FCC-07-131A1.html
Hey mate you wrote about the wrong Extreme Leads: http://www.fcc.gov/eb/Orders/2007/FCC-07-131A1.html
If you want to talk about financial mismanagement, how about writing an article on Lifepath Unlimited’s offices being raided by armed IRS agents?
It appears that Joe Neid hasn’t paid taxes in years. Now he’s hiding out in his Desert Mountain home and avoiding his office. I wonder how much longer Lifepath Unlimited stay in business…
I’ve heard about gangsters running their illicit enterprises from prison, but I have a feeling Joe won’t be able to do that. Perhaps that’s the reason he goes by Joe Neid, instead of his real name Joe Niedospial.
@Frank
Is it a different company? I know at the time of the fine that Extreme Leads Inc seem to have been based in Michigan. I also couldn’t find any information linking Jeffery Wilson to Krider, Payne or Liberty League when I was researching the article.
However I couldn’t find any record of this other company on the Arizona Corporation Comission site, past or present or under Extreme Leads Inc or ELI. One would think if this other company was trading under the exact same name Krider and Payne would file for trademark infringement right? Especially if ELI were damaging the company name with FCC fines and regulatory trouble.
Imagine if I started up a company, Polaris Global tommorow and got into trouble with the FCC. How long do you think it’d be before Krider’s Polaris Global lawyers got onto me?
Also highly co-incidental both companies appear to be involved in unsolicited telephone cold calling.
It wouldn’t look too crashhot for Extreme Leads to appear to be operating out of LLI’s offices if Payne and Krider were marketing directly to LLI associates, so that could explain the Michigan address. I do note though that the annual reports for Payne and Krider’s Extreme Leads Inc have consistently used LLI’s corporate address dating back to 2005.
I’ll update the article accordingly.
@wrongextremeleads
Is there any proof it this? I had a quick hunt around and turned up nothing. As the CEO of a company why would you bother not paying your taxes, I can understand trying to get out of paying taxes but just not paying them? It’s not like you won’t get caught.
If it has a Michigan address, then there’s a good chance that it’s a Michigan corporation – so it wouldn’t show up in the Arizona corporation database. If the FCC were investigating the Arizona corporation Extreme Leads Inc, then it makes sense that they would have pulled the publicly listed information from the Arizona Corp Commission.
Individual state corporate databases aren’t tied to each other. Its very possible to have corporations from different states with the same name.
@wrong extreme leads
lmao do you have proof? I can see Joe doing that… I bet he’s pulling his hair plugs out! I Googled him and did find a recent foreclosure record in Scottsdale. So I guess its possible that if he couldn’t pay his mortgage he might have skipped on some other payments, too. Makes you wonder how successful Lifepath Unlimited really is.
Well, Hamburger and Stevens left.
Stevens went with the Trump MLM, where did Hamburger go? Is he joining his brother-in-law, Payne at Avant?
It will be interesting to see how many leave Polaris and head over to the very familiar workings of Avant, especially because they can get in on the deal with practically no money right now.
However, while it might be good for the pre-launch numbers, they still need to enroll new folks in and at the very high rates for the products/conferences.
@Frank
Ah fair enough. Wasn’t particularly sure on different businesses showing up on the Arizona database. I did some random company searches and saw a few pop up that didn’t have Arizona adresses so I figured they were tracking most companies.
I assume if the company is wanting to trade in Arizona they have to be listed on there? Being a telemarketing company I’d assume that meant registration and listing or whatever the term is in all US states?
Either way I’ve updated the article to reflect this. The mind still boggles why no action was taken over the sharing of the Extreme Leads Inc. business name though.
@Lynn
Avant have launched, they did so on the week starting May 31st from memory I think it was. No idea how Avant is going mind you, they don’t seem to have published any publicly available business updates. The ‘WeAreAvant’ website is staticly dead and Twitter/Facebook is just broadcasting your standard tincan inspirational quotes.
What a tremendous paradigm LifePath Unlimited’s associate training/support system and compensation structure is! But they have an “F” rating with the Better Business Bureau.
And now I find out Joe Neid (aka Joseph Niedospial, Joe Nied”) is on the run from the IRS?!!! Will I ever get my money back!!!?
I heard he has a track record of building castles in the air on OPM (other peoples money) and then he pulls a disappearing act leaving the tail-end investors duped!!!
The change of spelling in his name has kept him out of the radar range, for the time being atleast… poor thing… hasn’t any clue to what “The Secret” and the “56 Days of Discovery” suppose to be about.
@Lynn
Where did Michael Hamburger go? WMI and CCPro
Quote from wminow.com –> WMI Live –> Press:
i wonder how this went on Fri?
Live Business Presentation
Friday, June 11, 2010 at 6:30pm
Perth, City Beach Surf Lifesaving Club
looking on ppl’s FB status’- there was lots of hype pre Fri- but no-one really commenting on how successful their get together was. I thought they would’ve all been sprouting about how fantastic it was- even if there were 2 ppl in the room!
I was also wondering if Hamburger was going to join his bro-in-law @ avant or did they have a falling out when the sh!t hit the fan and Brent left LLI?
This is from Avant’s notes page on FB, titled ‘Proper Money Management’…I find this the opposite of what this business is all about.
It is encouraged for people who don’t have $30,000 sitting in the bank to buy their conferences and products to go out and do whatever you have to to get the money. Credit cards, 2nd mortgage, sell your stuff, borrow from someone, etc. Those were some of the ideas that I had heard while a part of Liberty League.
They will tell folks who are desperate to get out of the ‘rat race’ that this is the best investment and if you have the right attitude and are willing to do what the leaders do, you will make 6 figures too.
However, the statistics show much different. People are then left with $30,000 debt or more. I can relate to this…and, to me, that was an irresponsible money decision which I have gained much learning from.
15 associates had 30 guests.
It’s fascinating that Shane Krider and Rachel Oliver flew all the way to Perth from Los Angeles to support 15 associates. I’m sure they bragged about that Telly Award they bought (I mean “received”).
Do you think the newbies realize Beyond Freedom Evolution has been talked about for over 8 months and is still only 1/3 completed, but they’re happy to take the 100% purchase price now?
they are all simply crocks – nothing less nothing more – shameful internet scammers.
we’re approaching mid June… is 2nd installment out yet?
does anyone know if yonika and paul are still in? Is anyone left ? God- aren’t all the sheeple sick of hearing the same shit over and over? What bout lyn and bettina?
I’m in Bettina’s downline, and dialed into a conference call with her and some other members – sounds like her and Lynn are leaving Polaris and are trying to recruit some of us.
I’m leaving Polaris, but not going with them!
where are Bettina dn Lynn off to ?
Read on facebook that commmission cheques are now bouncing.
OMG!!! how can ppl keep plugging the biz when it is clearly going down the gurgler… slowly and painfully… how embarrassing for them…
Would love to see some evidence to back this up- but i’m not suprised. Dont see how they can pay out anything to distributors if no-one is making any money…
Lots of plugging going on for the fresh round of ‘live presentations and opportunities to meet face to face with inspirational people who are living on purpose and achieving financial freedom, flexible lifestyle and true happiness’.
apparently the gold coast presentation was a HUGEEEE success…. maybe that means they had 20 guests attend? wow- wouldn’t that be spectacular!!
From memory- wasn’t the next supercharged Saturday happening in August? thought they would’ve been plugging that by now??
was this a private team call of theirs?
gosh things must be getting bad if Lyn is going against his proxy daughter ‘rach’
any updates on how the happy love struck ditz’s are doing? (Shane & Rach)
have they returned to the US or living back in Aust?
Gosh this financial pressure must be taking some of the gloss off… unless it really is true love?? hahaha… pfft… whatever….
I heard it from the ex-Mrs Neid, Gail R, today (6/25/2010) myself. Gail, Mr. Neid (Niedospial)’s long time common-law wife (of 22 years) just spilled the INSIDE beans with me on the phone.
It seems Joe dumped her unceremoniously back in Sept 2009. So much for the integrity he so espouses to have, not to mention his IRS problems.
I had heard rumors of this back in 2007 when I got involved with the startup LifePath Unlimited, but dismissed them as “bad blood” from LLI people. Turns out they were right as Joe twisted one in my back 12 months later.
For those of you doing the digging, check the Scottsdale Civil District Court (or whatever they call it there) referencing a “common law marriage” between Gail Reidy and Joe Neid.
Joe TESTIFIES on the witness stand that he hasn’t paid the IRS in over 20 years! It’s all right there in the court records.
I’m too busy to do the digging, however, I know there are those of you out there that will. HAVE FUN!
Payback’s a BITCH big Joe!
OMG…………. more lies.. blatant lies… Rachel Oliver wrote an article in the blog…
“Polaris picks up an International award for our Beyond Freedom Evolution course. Our materials were secretly submitted 5 months ago and it is with great delight that we announce that we won this very prestigious award in the Educational Category of the Telly awards.”
Well, if all the materials were submitted months ago… where is the delivery of the 2nd and 3rd modules, July is next week and have yet to see product that was PAID FOR IN FULL!!!!
blog url
http://www.polarisglobal.com/blog/general/polariss-beyond-freedom-evolution-picks-up-award/
Just curious now, no worries. You should have a 10-day money-back guarantee once you receive all of the modules according to the terms and conditions. Which, of course, means everyone who’s ever bought Beyond Freedom Evolution for $2285.00 USD still qualifies for a refund. I know people have called their credit card companies and successfully processed a refund.
I just googled “Scottsdale Court Gail Reidy Joe Niedospial” to see if the above claims are accurate and true. LifePath Unlimited Founder & CEO Joe Nied’s (Niedospial) house is on the foreclosure list.
Google it yourself and see. I googled “Scottsdale Court Gail Reidy Joe Niedospial” and it lead me to the foreclosure list. Yikes. I am not interested in working with a company that will better me when the chief in charge has his house in foreclosure.
Maybe this is the BIG ANNOUNCEMENT Patrick Combs will be announcing on http://www.facebook.com/patrick.combs
Here is the file will Joe Neid listed with his house in foreclosure http://fntimages.fnistools.com/Uploads/Teams/254206/ContentFiles/1-19–1-22-10maricoparesidentialpreforeclosures.xls
Thank you Gail for pointing this all out for the world to see. Hell has no fury like a woman scorned.
I’m not quite sure what to make out of this whole Lifepath Joe Nied IRS tax thing. People are claiming it’s on the public record that Joe admits to not paying the IRS for 20 years but so far the only thing I’ve been able to find is this
http://www.superiorcourt.maricopa.gov/docket/CivilCourtCases/caseInfo.asp?caseNumber=CV2009-054787
which mentions something about a restraining order and injunction. No further details are given and I’m not too sure what the rest is about.
Seems unless you know Gail personally and can get her on the phone then there’s not much to go on.
Perhaps I will call my credit card company and find out what recourse I have coming to me. I noticed the charges didn’t go to Polaris Media Group they went to Shane Krider. Too late for the first module though.
In order to find Joe Neid’s Testimony, someone would have to go down to the courthouse and look at the transcriptions of pleadings and cross examinations. I don’t live anywhere close to there or I would have already done it.
Anyone in Scotsdale with a little time can go down to the clerk of court’s office and get the transcripts.
If you are considering life path unlimited, LifePath Unlimited, LPU, who’s leaders are Patrick Combs, Dave McKenzie, and Joe Nied (ospial) AKA Joe Neid, hold on to your money; there are other better opportunities, and companies out there with owners who are LEGIT.
If she’s talking to people on the phone about it, perhaps she could provide the transcripts in question?
I too don’t live anywhere near Scottsdale so I’m out. I guess until then it’s speculation. 20 years is a long time to avoid tax, I’d assume if true there’d be some legal recourse by the IRS?
http://www.enotes.com/everyday-law-encyclopedia/tax-evasion#tax-fraud-prosecution
Should you or shouldn’t you believe what’s on the Internet?
Granted, until the court testimony appears out here, many will think this is speculation and heresay.
Remember, this discussion began above with
Obviously from someone in Aussie Land.
Someone is going to make that trip down to the scottsdale courthouse and look up Reidy vs Niedospial, and the backup to this story will be complete.
They call it TAX EVASION.
@An ex-lifepather
I myself consider it speculation and heresay until any proof comes to light. Considering you posted
I assumed you were in regular contact with Gail Reidy and didn’t think it too mch of a stretch to perhaps press her for a transcript if she had one.
Unless of course you didn’t speak to her on the phone…?
I believe about 99% of the comments about Joe neid to be true. I have been a friend and vendor for gail for several years,
I co-own a Postnet store in north scottsdale Arizona. Lifepath used to have a mailbox at my store, untill I fired them in april for non payment of 12,000 for a shipment we did for them to fiji. I have hired an attorney but it looks like we will never see our money know that the I.R.S. is involved.
I just saw Gail yesterday, and she said that the I.R.S.rumor was true and joe did make the comment in court. If Any one would like any information I might have feel free to e-mail me at pnaz135@qwestoffice.net
Tom
How about an article about Lifepath, Oz? Something other than a critique of their Firewalking activity?
I’ve got Lifepath on my list to write about, just a matter of getting around to it. I know a few people are waiting for me to look at Monavie – same story there. I apologise for taking so long but when I look at new companies there’s a lot to look at initially and that really needs a day or half a day set aside to do it properly.
I’m kind of hoping that some proof surfaces of this IRS stuff other then Neid’s house appearing on a foreclosure list. Gail seems to be talking openly to people about it so it doesn’t seem to much of a stretch for something to appear. That’d make an interesting article.
My aim with BehindMLM is to be a valuable research tool to those searching about various MLM companies. Unfortunately it’s probably going to take a year or two to become as exapansive as I plan it to be.
One man operations and all that.
Actually, considering the depth of the story surrounding Joe Neid(ospial) aka Joe Nied and Gail’s battles in court and out of court, and the number of people inside and outside of LifePath Unlimited who knew about it; it is amazing that this secret was kept so long.
Someone will go dig it up, and confirm the details; and what they will find is exactly as I previously stated. When that happens those of you who are challenging my information post, and suggesting that Gail would want the pleadings of what was obviously a difficult, emotional, and stressful experience out in the public eye so much that she would ask any of Joe’s many enemies to scan it and post it online is a bit of a stretch.
Most people who got involved with Life Path Unlimited and other companies like LLI don’t live anywhere near Scottsdale Arizona or Carefree Arizona for that matter.
That the IRS raid information (which is true) was leaked by someone in Australia, speaks to the level of cover up taking place on this issue.
LPU, Life Path Unlimited, the company has 2 other principles, Patrick Combs and David McKenzie, and certainly they would have no desire to have that information become “visible” out here.
So you can think this is hearsay as that may be convenient to your position. Maybe you are an LPU rep on the hook for tens of thousands of dollars.
Or you can connect a few dot’s that are right here on this web site, including those that date back to LLI and Global Prosperity (where all of these guys first learned the nuances of the 2 up cash grab),
I made my original posts so that individuals who are considering purchasing the very expensive LPU / Life Path Unlimited products, most of which are only delivered by attending a LIVE event somewhere down the line, Mainly the Breakthrough Event and the Destiny Event, will proceed with appropriate caution until such time that Life Path Unlimited deals with this issue.
As long as Joe Neid is an owner, that company is at risk from a hostile seizure from the IRS, just like the IRS can seize assets from drug traffickers.
Mr. Joe Neid (as known by the LifePath Unlimited community) has sent me an email yesterday.
Evidently he has found a sound reason to contact me personally. Because there will very likely be legal procedures in the near future I am unable to reveal any more information than I already have until due process completion.
Please click on my link (date), perhaps there may mutual benefits in the proceeds.
MR. JOE NEID HAS EMAILED ME YESTERDAY!
Maybe I’ll finally get my refund! Anybody else interested in getting theirs?
I can only provide further information if you send me a letter stating your refund situation,> and
I will provide complete information if you decide to join up with me, and I WILL BEAR THE BULK OF THE BURDENS!!!
@An ex-lifepather
I’m not refuting the claims about the IRS, just saying that we probably need something more concrete to go on other then phone calls. Accusing someone of tax evasion over two decades isn’t a petty matter.
I agree that having the goods in writing is what is needed next to completely validate what I was told. Actually, I believe the info given the source, Joe Neid’s his ex-common-law wife of 22 years.
And the only way to know for sure is for someone in the Scottsdale Arizona area to go down to the court administrator’s office (clerk of court) and request a copy under the freedom of information act.
Someone tipped the IRS though which triggered the raid on Life Path Unlimited offices last month. And there is plenty of corroborating evidence listed on this site.
Remember, stories like this are not made up about everyone and published on the web. And I doubt anyone would take the time to make these entries had they not been damaged by the offending party. It is here, on web sites like this on the Internet, where justice can be served.
And also, it seems to be producing a result as evidenced by Roylo’s comment 2 pots above about receiving a refund.
The only reason that I broke the story in the first place was to protect the unsuspecting would be buyer of Life Path Unlimited products, thinking they are going to get rich off the opportunity. They deserve to have all of the information about the company they are getting ready to spend big money on.
Life Path is not some low cost MLM, and I think that anyone spending a few thousand dollars to start a business in these economic times needs a clean opportunity, not one with owners who have major IRS problems, and/or who have a history of poor business practices as evidenced on this thread.
It is hard enough to market “Personal Development” in a good economic climate with a squeaky clean company. However, as sites like this prove, none of these companies, LPU, LLI, and the new incarnations, are any different than the old. It’s the same people with the same backgrounds, doing business the same way, creating the same widespread damage to unknowing customers.
They do put on a good show; however, and I wonder how many people would part with their thousands of dollars if they knew the truth. Just imagine during a company presentation customers hearing a line like “… our leadership is top flight including Joe Nied a person with over 20 years experience in this industry who is being pursued by the IRS for not paying his taxes for 20 years …”. It wouldn’t happen, but since in their presentations they use the “experience” of their leadership as a selling point, all of the “relevant” information about said leaders should be out in the open.
Problems with the Attorney General and Better Business Bureau are common for these types of companies. Tax problems for the owners, is less common, but dates back to Global Prosperity; a company shut down by the government earlier this decade, and whose owners are STILL in jail for tax fraud and evasion.
And Global Prosperity is where all of these guys learned their scamming craft. Buyer beware!
the thing that really annoys me is the fact tat all these “leaders” of these companies – eg. Lavenia, McKenzie, Rush – whoever they are – know full well that this sort of biz “model” is unsustainable and that 90% of their victums will fail and end up with major financial issues.
Yet they continue with their bullshit, lies and predatory ways – this make them all lower than rats – dirty little low lifes!!
the other 10% just become the same – low lifhe lying predatory people that loss all sense of this majorly misused concept called “integrity”.
@Roger You hit the nail on the head with the above comment. These guys know that they are going to cause people immense pain and hardship, yet they have no qualms about repeating the process ad nauseum. Pure greed has no morality. Speaking of greed, I see that Rach is back in Oz flogging her dead horse, even as far as having nextbigboombiz.com adsensed on this site.
Joe called me this morning and told me he wanted to make things right,and we agreed on a payment plan,I think joe has had enough,rumors, and wants to set the record straight,he showed me court documents that support his side of the story.
Joe made an appointment for 2pm and was very prompt,he made a fair down payment on his debt to us, and expressed to me that he is working to take care of all of his vendors and customers.
I have been over to lifepaths office twice in two weeks and there are no indications that the I.R.S.has been there,seems to be business as usual.
Tom Dobben
Just curious… what would be a good indicator that the IRS was there? Graffiti saying “the IRS was here”? LOL
Can I get a loan for $12,000, Tom? I promise to ignore you for several months, then contact you, show up on time, give you a fair down payment and work out a payment plan 🙂
I’m kinda curious… what exactly is his side of the story?
I suggest Mr. Neid re-study the 56 Days To Discovery and it’s emphasis placed on the law of attraction and the law of responsibility.
I’ve learned that in order to be a better salesperson product knowledge is nice but being a first hand consumer is KING! 12 Step Programs ascertain this fact. “Takes one to know one” kind of a deal.
Actually my main concern is my refund and the improprieties involved are sorer than my hammered thumb. Greed can make us deny facts? Have I ever been that hungry?
Any more incidencies of indigencies and I may be tempted to follow Joey. Where is that desert hideway?
Hey Tommy, since you’re able to spring ’em, perhaps you could collect my 2 g’s and I’ll let you keep half as a retainer and keep any interest/penalties you charge him on my behalf. Interested?
Beats snail courts. Joey’s gotta have some money stashed somewhere’s. How else could he keep belly overhang. 56 Days To Recovery, dang!
I think Brent Payne and Shane Krider are still a team…Brents’ Avant launched a lead store today: http://www.avantleadstore.com
The first page says:
I think that’s about the amount of time that Extreme Leads was started.
And the Avant Lead Store hasn’t been around that long and they already have a customer base of 50,000….I smell bullsh*t. Wasn’t Brent saying something about the new him? But he’s peddling the same garbage.
I bet he’s still the same asshole he was before. I saw him cream a worker at my first and only event…he made the guy cry. That was all the personal development hypocracy that I needed to see. It was weird to see the nice guy on stage turn into a raging lunatic so fast. No one in their right mind switches that fast.
That’s all I have to say. Good luck to any of you looking into this crap. A fool and his money are soon parted. I was a fool once. I could have taken the several thousand dollars I spent for three days of hanging out with phony ponies listening to some assholes talk on stage and had a much better, much longer vacation….I could have flown first class and stayed in a penthouse suite. No motivational speaker is worth that much….you’ll get more out of a good spa.
And that’s really all I have to say. Except that was years ago and I’m still paying for it. Literally paying for it. And now it looks like the prices are even higher.
Aye! Hank, seems the power of the technology and the Internet has exponentially proliferated all realms. When will the wheat be separated from the chafe?
Caveat Emptor! We innocents’ are in dire need of some real whipper-snappers here!
I’m still juggling my LPU refund w/2012 preparedness and the onslaught of the rest of the web (mis)information overload!
Who’s gonna pay the deed for the ranch? Certainly not Con’s (short for conspirators)! Aye, Caramba! What next!