Ignatova has spent over $20 million on Bulgarian property
Some affiliates claim they haven’t been able to withdraw funds out of OneCoin for weeks. Others claim they haven’t been paid for months.
For a select few, there doesn’t appear to be any payment problems at all. Yet the growing caucus of disgruntled investors who are unable to execute withdrawals requests cannot be denied.
With most withdrawal complaints deleted shortly after they are posted, what we’re left with is a fraction of the true scope of the problem.
Here are some recent comments published to the OneCoin Facebook page this week, that have thus far managed to slip through the censorship cracks;
it’s becoming uncomfortable with almost all the members in.my country,they never execute r sells in a month only 3x so 3days out of more dan 20days..so sad
one coin not good at all! cannot sell it! nobody want to buy our onecoin and yet still asking people to join?!
hello, at least let us able to sell some of our onecoin per week to boost up our confident. haha, useless onecoin, nobody want to buy.
holding so many onecoin for what? useless. hell founder, at least buy back from us to proof to us onecoin is valuable.
REALLY? What’s happening hear. why ONE COIN doesn’t execute our sell, always pending and expired, and they are claimiy it.as.d no2 crtptocurrency worldwide.
please execute our sell, we need our money id we need them.
Dr Ruja must face this problem. Some people can sell coin in every several days. But my account being waiting longer than 3 weeks. How’s possible?
I need DR Ruja solve this problem other it can lead to a severe hight risks and trust’s building.
While investors struggle to withdraw the money OneCoin represents to them they’ve earned, at the other end of the company there appears to be no such blockage.
About a week ago the Bulgarian media outlet Capital published an article titled, “Dr Ruja and Buying Property Out of Nothing“.
Almost immediately I began receiving requests for my take on the claims made in the article.
Unfortunately the Capital article was in Bulgarian. And while Google Translate usually provides a reasonable enough translation for me to put together an article of my own, in this instance it was a little too jumbled up in too many places.
With so much data presented in the article, I felt if I ran with Google Translate I was invariably going to reprint an error or two.
At the suggestion of more than one BehindMLM reader, I reached out to the author of the article, Nickolay Stoyanov.
Stoyanov graciously volunteered to put together a translation of his article in his own time. It is this translation from Stoyanov that the following article is based on (with some minor grammatical editing of my own).
As per the headline, the lead story in Stoyanov’s article is OneCoin CEO Ruja Ignatova’s spending of millions of dollars this past year on real-estate.
On April 28, in Slaveykov Square in central Sofia, a company with Bulgarian roots and ambitions to become the world’s cryptocurrency leader opened its new headquarters.
The event was not covered by a single media outlet in the country. But do not blame journalists for lacking interest in the success of local entrepreneurs.
The event was not announced in any way – no mail invitations, no PR insisting attendance over the phone, only a couple of pictures that several days later were posted on the Facebook profile of the company and a succinct press-release on its website.
The reason for the secrecy of Gibraltar registered OneCoin (but based in Sofia and operating through Bulgarian companies as well), is not clear, but probably it can be found in the company’s strange relationships with media.
On one hand, it likes the glossy covers praising its founder Ruja Ignatova. They are presented at OneCoin events for attracting new members willing to buy packages for up to 27,500 Euros, allowing them to learn and mine onecoin and willing to get rich quick by recruiting more members.
On the other hand, the company and its spokesperson do not want to confront journalists directly because of many accusations that their cryptocurrency is not the killer of bitcoin, but rather a pyramid scheme.
Onecoin itself has virtually no use outside the company, it is hard to convert to other currency and a it exists only on the company’s servers. There is a risk that one day it may simply disappear.
Whether this is the case is hard to say for sure, but what is certain is that the business startup is generating good cashflow towards Ignatova, as her property investments are not limited to the new HQ.
For the past year they amount to more than 35,000,000 lev ($20.06 million USD).
Other than photos of a few people at what appeared to be a ribbon-cutting ceremony, no specific details of OneCoin’s new headquarters have been released.
Through some pretty solid research, Nickolay Stoyanov uncovered some shady transactions behind OneCoin’s acquisition of the property.
The new building of OneCoin is situated at 6A, Slaveykov Sq., which for quite some time before the opening was wrapped and reconstructed.
The former owner is GP Hold, who up to 2014 was the main shareholder of GP Group.
The latter company recently received some coverage as it was mentioned by Prime Minister Boyko Borissov, as one of the companies with infrastructure building construction procurements that are to be stopped by the government.
The owners of both GP companies are Vladimir Vladimirov-Jitensky and Georgi Vassilev, but the real control of the company is ascribed Valentin Zlatev, the representative of Lukoil in Bulgaria.
But as we will see later in this article, other connections emerge.
On Feb 8th, 2016, GP Hold transferred the building through contribution in kind into a newly setup company, Elmaz Property, with a manager Velizar Radev.
The property was valued by an appraiser at 3.7 million lev ($2.1 million USD) or 1000 euro per sq.m.
Only 10 days later on Feb 18th, 100% of Elmaz property was transferred to UAE registered RISG Limited.
The price was erased from the contract published in the Trade Register. Real estate experts contacted by Capital however claimed the valuation at the contribution was at market level and the real deal was likely to have been at a price close to it.
So, what does the UAE company RISG Limited have to do with OneCoin you ask?
RISG Limited is the company that last year, through its Bulgarian subsidiary One Property, acquired the house of former Sofia mayor Dimitar Mollov at Narodno sabranie square (note: opposite the House of Parliament), for 5 million euros.
Back then Ruja Ignatova was listed as sole shareholder of the offshore company and the Director was Pegaron Invest, a Bulgarian company that up to 2012 is managed by Ignatova, and after that by her mother Veska – both bearing German passports.
Now the documents presented for the new acquisition show that shareholders of RISG are two Panama citizens, though it seems control hasn’t changed.
Why Ignatova and her mother have appointed Panamanian citizens to control shell companies they are purchasing Bulgarian real-estate through, is a mystery.
Straight after the Elmaz deal, Momchil Nikov was appointed manager of the company.
He is also a manager of half a dozen other OneCoin related companies including One Property and One Payments where he has replaced Veska Ignatov.
The latter remains manager of One Network Services, the company servicing OneCoin Limited from Gibraltar.
BehindMLM has previously reported on Ruja Ignatova laundering OneCoin funds through her mother.
In addition to Panamanian citizens being appointed control of RISG, it appears Ignatova and her mother are creating a barrier between themselves and the other half-dozen companies OneCoin launders funds through.
Another connection throughout all these companies is the supplied contact email – office(at)ravenr(dot)com.
Ravenr Limited is also a company based in UAE in which last year Ruja Ignatova was listed as sole shareholder and director, but now she has again been replaced by other persons.
The website of the company, which is registered by Ignatova’s husband (Bjorn Strehl, a german lawyer ), states that:
“Ravenr is an independent single-family office that focuses on wealth accumulation and long-term capital appreciation through investments in high quality businesses from around the globe.
The company has full control over its assets and possesses a mentality of a winner.”
As targeted industries it points financial industry, pharma and mining & recycling.
Any punts as to where Ravenr sources its “wealth accumulation” capital from?
Although OneCoin claims that it is an independent company, it was Ravenr Limited that bought the Crimea restaurant building in downtown Sofia last year for 4.2 million euros.
In a 2015 interview with Capital, Ignatova explained that the building, which is currently being reconstructed, is where she will reside, while the Narodno Sabranie Sq building is where the OneCoin HQ will be, but it seems the plan has since changed.
“The company develops extremely successfully and is setting up as a leader in high-tech software solutions for education, and in virtual currency business.
Such growth requires swift and effective solutions. If we continue to expand at such pace we may soon even need extra space”, stated the reply from OneCoin on its choice of HQ.
Considering OneCoin is little more than a script set to produce a fixed number of coins every 24 hours, what the company’s staff do all day is a mystery.
How many people do you need to employ to keep a Facebook page monitored, store Ignatova’s ballroom gowns, book airplane tickets and create YouTube videos?
The house in which Ruja Ignatova lives and OneCoin’s new headquarters aren’t the company’s only reality acquisitions.
Despite investors capped at withdrawing 1.5% of their Onecoin point balances weekly (that’s if the withdrawal request is honored at all), OneCoin itself, at least up until recently, had no such cashflow problems.
Thus in the course of a year companies linked to OneCoin and Ruja Ignatova have acquired some emblematic buildings in the capital for over 20 million lev ($11.4 million USD). But the interest in the real estate doesn’t end there.
Literally days ago towards the end of April, RIGS Limited invested in a company whose main asset is a land plot near the seaside town of Nessebar. And the deal bears similarities to that of Elmaz Property.
The company is named Pro Dial and was founded in 2014. It is managed by the same Velizar Radev, who was manager of Elmaz for ten days.
He is also a manager of two other companies owned by the partners in GP Group – VGG Energy and Agrohold Propert.
Also his company Via Construct Group was, up to 2011, called GP Stroy (note: literally GP Build) and it used to be owned by Stefan Totev – a minority shareholder and director in GP Group.
Despite Valizar Radev’s name popping up everytime OneCoin goes out and spends investor money, dissecting his exact relationship with and/or role within the company has proven elusive.
At the beginning of 2015 Pro Dial paid 4.98 million lev ($2.8 million USD) to purchase a 114 daa land plot, near Nessebar from the Ministry of Defense.
Back then the name of the buyer was not announced. The deal was reported in the Sega daily newspaper where the ministry explained that this was due to the company not signing a waiver.
The paper calculated that the market value of the property should have been about 9 million euro ($5.1 million USD), based on offers for nearby plots.
How did OneCoin obtain the plot at such a discounted price, from the Bulgarian government nonetheless? Nobody seems to know…
On Mar 17th, 2016, Radev transfered his stake in the company for a minimal price – 66% to Boryana Shehtova (who is a former model) for 8 lev ($4.58 USD) and the rest to her twin sister Anna Shehtova-Vassileva.
According to publications in local lifestyle and yellow magazines the former is a girlfriend and mother of the son of Hristoforos Amanatidis-Taki.
In 2011 he was charged with organizing drug dealing ring, he was wanted through Interpol, fled to Dubai, and in 2015 charges were dropped.
The latter is the spouse of one of GP Group’s partners, Georgi Vassilev.
For a month the two ladies took charge of the management of the company, increasing its registered capital from 12 to 200 lev ($6.88 to $114 USD).
After that on Apr 26th, they sold half of it to RISG Limited. But this time the prices paid were quite different.
11,349,696 lev ($6.5 million USD) was transferred to Boryana’s account and 1,296,944 lev (743,227 USD) to Anna’s.
This is a total of 12.75 million lev ($7.3 million USD) paid by a company related to Ruja Ignatova for a 50% stake in the company.
There it remains partnered with the Shehtovi sisters, who in a matter of dys received millions in legal income.
After the deal the two twins were written off as managers of Pro Dial and are replaced by Veska Ignatov and Velizar Radev.
Anyone want to guess where the $7.3 million that magically allowed RISG to buy back the shares Pro Dial came from?
There’s a definitive pattern starting to emerge here…
This land plot may not be the last planned investment though. A few days ago at the beginning of May, Ignatova’s husband Bjorn Strehl also set up a Bulgarian company – German Real Estate Investment Holding, which judging by the name has plans in the sector.
It too is managed by Momchil Nikov and office(at)ravenr(dot)com is listed as mail for contact.
Capital sent questions to this mail pertaining to the property deals but no reply was received.
Meanwhile Veska Ignatov (Ruja Ignatova’s mother) too is setting up a company – Business Edge Solutions.
It is not clear what it will do, its website “businessedgesolutions.eu” is not yet active and its registration details are hidden.
Call me cynical, but OneCoin doesn’t appear any different from all the other major Ponzi schemes that have come before it.
You have management and their family riding the gravy train, at the expense of the wider affiliate-base.
In OneCoin real-estate deals are made through shell companies, with (literally) paid stooges put in place to throw off the scent.
Then once the deals are closed, Ruja Ignatova and her family either vanish or are quick to reinstate themselves as Directors of the companies.
By all means purchase real-estate if the company needs it. But the manner in which OneCoin are going about it is more closely aligned with money laundering activity than legitimate real-estate acquisition by a reputable business.
To that end Bulgarian authorities have thus far shown no interest in investigating OneCoin. Whether or not the company and Ruja Ignatova are under regulatory investigation in Bulgaria is unclear.
Where the means for these acquisitions come from is an unanswerable question, because no financial data on OneCoin is published.
Critics of the company, who see in its model a Ponzi scheme, would explain the property shopping spree with the nearing of the unavoidable end when the pyramid begins to crumble.
Paying out bonuses of old members with money from newly attracted won’t last if the inflow of money dries up.
And OneCoin has vocal critics far beyond the specialized forums in internet.
Recently Swiss Neue Zeuricher Zeitung published a warning article and so did the influential German magazine Der Spiegel.
It states that Ignatova and her father Plamen owned a steel mill in Bavaria up until 2012, that went bankrupt days after they sold it.
Der Spiegel claims that Ignatova was sentenced to probation for a delayed bankruptcy filing and the prosecution is challenging the sentence.
The assignee of the mill claims that its machines were dismantled to be taken out of the plant before the bankruptcy.
Ignatova is quoted to say that the interpretation is false and that the bankruptcy was caused by a crisis.
Before that red flags sprung from various media in Scandinavian countries where OneCoin is popular.
The company has been subjected to investigation by various authorities in some countries. It’s name has also been mentioned by several financial regulators in warnings, including Bulgaria’s Financial Supervision Commission.
Some just warn on the risks of unregulated investment, while others such as the Latvian supervisor explicitly state OneCoin resembles a pyramid scheme.
If these are all false alarms, OneCoin has not managed to dispel all the doubts, which is critical if your main business is a currency whose value should be generated by the trust in it.
There are reasons for mistrust. There are numerous hurdles to withdraw or sell onecoin and it is not traded on any virtual currency exchange but only on the company’s own system.
While OneCoin announced that it will accept bitcoin so that its customers may buy its packages, the reverse procedure is not possible.
Despite the repeated promises that there will be opportunities to use the currency at real merchants, this is continually delayed.
“The merchant programme is key to our strategy. We plan pilot projects in the end of the year (20016) or the beginning of next year (2017)”, said OneCoin.
But a year ago this was supposed to be fact by the end of 2015. So the lack of trade and utility makes it hard to trust the growing quotes of the cryptocurrency.
Often there are various information of problems between the company and different partners and financial institutions.
Servicing banks are changed and a recent claim is that the company lost it partnership with Chinese card operator UnionPay.
That would be a problem as by Ignatova’s claim, almost half a million of it’s 1.8 million members are from China.
OneCoin denounces these claims as untrue and states that it is currently working the chinese peer of Visa and MasterCard.
According to Chinese media there are arrests and seizures of assets belonging to members of OneCoin.
CBN Global, which is marketed as the English-language news service of China Business Network (CBN), the financial news arm of state-owned Shanghai Media Group (SMG), China’s largest media entity after China Central TV, explains that so far there is no formal investigation, but there are protesting clients who can withdraw their means who filed formal complaint with the Cyberspace Administration of Shanghai on Feb 18th.
The media group explained to Capital that they published a formal complaint about Onecoin posting endorsements from CBN on Onecoin’s Chinese website.
CBN denies any connection to Onecoin.
“The company has not received formal complaints for any charges or investigations. OneCoin is NOT included in the list of forbidden cryptocurrencies in China”, stated OneCoin.
BehindMLM first reported on the arrest of Chinese OneCoin investors and ongoing Guangdong police investigation back in late April.
While OneCoin has announced its next starry event in Macao or London, sceptics are watching online footage of Dr Ruja promoting an earlier, less successful and short-lived currency BigCoin, which look like a primordial version of OneCoin.
Involvement in BigCoin is missing from Ignatova’s official CV. So is her involvement in Crypto Real Investment Trust – a kind of mutual fund to invest in BigCoin.
The site is not functional but the domain “cryptoreal.com” is still registered in Ignatova’s name.
On all these topics OneCoin are not eager to answer questions by journalists, especially on the celebration of the opening of new HQ.
It is far more convenient to share a couple of days later on Facebook an exclusive interview of Dr Ruja by top members of the company, whom you can always rely to ask “Why OneCoin is so unique and transparent” instead of bothering you with mundane questions like where the money came from for this house or the other one…
Make of that what you will.
I will say though that, whereas Bulgarian authorities appear to be asleep at the wheel, at least their media are asking the hard questions about OneCoin that need to be asked.
If only the top investors she pays to ask her questions in pre-recorded footage, had the balls to inquire about the millions in invested funds Ignatova has spent enriching herself and her family.
Once again our thanks to Nickolay Stoyanov from Capital, without whose translation and research this article would not have been possible.
I’ll just leave this here as explanation for Panama…
NOLINK://legalinfo-panama.com/english/corproc_II.htm
NOLINK://panama-offshore-services.com/corporation_panama_facts.htm
Any transaction records to substantiate your claims? Until I see these I cant believe any of this. Sorry!
BehindMLM make lots of claims but I see no hard evidence to back any of it.
1. People doesent have problems at all with widrawals of money from matching bonuses (from inviting other people and building a tree).
People has huge problems with selling coins and withdrawing money from it. To be objective we have to mention that price of OneCoin does not grow from few months too, which is a good sign that it may not be just a number on a computer screen.
2. There is limit of 1,5% OneCoins sold daily, not withdrawals.
3. Ken Labine mentioned it somewhere and he is right this time, that theoretically if there are really 1,8 mln of users (70% in China), then Dr Ruja has 1,8 mln x 30 EUR of activation fee = a lot. And thats only from activation fee.
@Raz
I take it English isn’t your first language then?
@OneCoinSpain
In a Ponzi points model, converting points to cash = withdrawal request.
Theoretically, sure. And yet still investors are having withdrawal problems.
Also if most of the activation fee is profit for Ignatova, shows affiliates are getting overcharged does it not?
You just proved that this is a pyramid scheme… introducing people make money… trading coins do not.
Or perhaps you do not understand what you said?
In OneCoin:
Money from bonuses = No problems and successful withdrawal on your bank account.
Money from sold coins = problems with selling coins and then withdrawals on your bank account.
She is selling Education Packages (many leaders are convincing themselves and people who ask questions that they are just selling education packages jeje!), not buying or selling coins.
Only giving platform (plus rules and limits) for users to sell or buy coins between them. Going on public market is planned after 70-80% is mined.
Maybe it is just the same promise for deep believers and deadline as thousands of merchants after 30%, which happened few weeks ago and there is silence from the company till today, as many of you know (they still have a last chance to do this on CoinRush event in London).
Activation fee is just 30 EUR and its a small per cent of what is going to the company (one package is from 100 EUR to 100 000 EUR). I dont know how much she is getting from it to her pocket.
I understand really well what I write. Dont want to prove anything, just presenting the facts for this moment.
Ken Lebine is believing this? Is he so stupid? So when Univerteam members “joined” (were forced) to be part of Onecoin…She made 430.000 x 30€ at once?
Only possible in Bulgaria!! And obviously in some parts in Canada 😛
And how about you backing your claims that this isn’t a scam?
A web developer software engineer, Dan Harley, whose friend signed onto Onecoin contacted me some time back to discuss Onecon.
Turns out he has a podcast called “Tech Talk.” We kept in touch and this morning he reached out to me to ask if I would do a podcast exposure on Onecon. I accepted.
He asked if there was anyone else who would like to join, so from a political standpoint, I thought inviting Angelina Lazaar would be a wise idea, if not just for the sake that she is a “defector” of the scam and former Team Leader, in Dubai.
As expected, there were a few small points I missed (like fraudulent “Business Woman of the Year” claim, and a few others), but all-in-all, speaking the intire time on the evidence and facts of the case, we filled over 2 hours of pointing out 97% of the scam, with all the points Behind MLM has been so diligent in covering, as well as a few NEW revelations not yet covered here.
Without Oz, Ben Zmith, Tyra Consulting, Ethan Vanderbuilt, MUROBBS (and the Finns), as well as several other diligent scam buster sites globally, I would have had very little fuel to present the case.
But, your guys and the commentators here provided plenty of solid facts and sourcing to mop the floor. Ken Labine even made a comment to Dan’s FB page, apparently, toward the end of the video.
Anyway, here is the Full-Frontal attack, 100% focused on exposing the countless lies of Grand Wizard Ruja and Onecon’s fraud and scheme:
HERE IS THE YOUTUBE FULL EPISODE RECORDED A FEW HOURS AGO:
youtube.com/watch?v=PsIoIJtQtEw&feature=youtu.be
@OneCoinSpain
Because this isn’t Ponzi ROIs (promising money from nothing). This is the pyramid side of the business which only requires recruitment.
This is the Ponzi side of the business. Affiliates invest, OneCoin increases the internal value of their points and all of a sudden they can’t cash out.
I agree OneCoin aren’t selling coins. They’re selling Ponzi points.
What they attach to the points is irrelevant.
AND TOKENS. You forgot tokens. You don’t get coins directly. You buy TOKENS which magically turns into coins.
Or did your education package not explain that? You better demand refund!
@K. Chang… You dont buy tokens, you get them for free with educational package. I dont say its good, bad, honest or not, just how it is.
Guys, you really need to start doing your homework better and look more for the truth and focus on facts
(instead of hearing something somewhere, like with this 1,5% limit of “something”, or people having problems with withdrawals, when now 100 of “Ponzi Pimps” as you call them, can record video and present you scans of withdrawals of money from OneCoin to their bank accounts, forgetting to say, that is from bonuses, not sold coins),not to prove anything from hate or faith point of view, like many of you have in your internal reality, which you will defend same as your life.
Without this you are just (consciously or unconsciously) missing the truth, same as Ken Labine when i.e. he was saying that Dr Ruja on this BigCoin video is consulting (when she clearly is promoting) this “cryptocurrency” and the video is edited (when there are clearly only parts of asian translator removed, and her words and sentences untouched and in order.)
Tim, as we can see from Ken`s comment under the video he is willing to talk. Ask Dan to arrange REAL discussion between him and you, when you will be able to speak this time…
@ksp7653
Legal documents I have saying this is a legitimate opportunity. My due diligence included seeing BehindMLM and alot of what I read didnt sound believable. Its like you had thrown your toys out the pram.
I have managed to sell coins on 5 occasions. I have got paid on time and every time I am due on a Monday.
What legal credentials or evidence if any do you have to say this is a scam??
What legal documents?
One doesn’t need a degree in physics to know it’s not a good idea to jump off the roof of a multi story building.
Common sense will do just fine.
What’s the matter? You can’t read?
Oz has articles posted with enough proof ever since One Coin started WHY it is a scam. Go back and start reading if you can manage that.
By the way…what proof do YOU have stating One Coin is not a scam? Show it here, or shut up.
Legal credentials don’t make a business model a scam. Being a Ponzi scheme does.
As per their business model, OneCoin uses newly invested funds to pay off existing investors. It’s a scam.
@OneCoinSpain
Horseshit. You get the plagiarized PDF files for free with the purchase of Ponzi points.
Proof?
If you took away the PDF files, people would still invest.
What dumbasses are going to invest in OneCoin without the Ponzi points?
Nobody, that’s who. Thus what is actually being invested in is revealed.
Once bitten, twice shy.
The last time Ken set up a talk with Tim he promised debate. Instead Ken blabbed on for four hours and then expected anyone to still be awake and participate.
Anyway there’s nothing to debate. OneCoin use newly invested funds to pay off existing investors. This makes it a Ponzi scheme.
What exactly are they going to discuss beyond that?
Don’t be estupido You paid one price for both. It is NOT free. Furthermore, if you try Googling some of the chapters you can see most of your “educational package” were borrowed, almost verbatim, from existing books. It’s plagiarism.
Try it yourself. Pick a chapter that actually teaches you about cybercurrency, pick a page, then a paragraph. Type in that paragraph into Google. See which book was it copied from for yourself.
Your educational package cost almost nothing to make. It is worth nothing. You BOUGHT the tokens… FOR the tokens.
If you want to LEARN about cybercurrency you can enroll in one of the free courses on Coursera, OpenUniversity, and so on. Heck, it’d be free.
You bought the package for the tokens. You just will not admit the truth to yourself.
“La verdad os hará libres” — The Bible
Go look in a mirror. You’re doing the exact same thing you are accusing others of doing.
@Oz
I just said how it is, what you are buying and what you are getting for free by their terms and conditions. Everything else is just an inrepretation, most of the times from the points of view of hate or faith.
I am aware as well that people doesent care most of the times about the Education Packages, and are interested in tokens/coins.
Debates and discussions (same as asking difficult questions and hearing answer to them!) are always welcomed and interesting when two sides can talk and present their point of view.
People may have their own conclusions after the debate i.e. that Ken is a crazy, manipulating and blind for what is going on believer, and if he is not right about OneCoin, then he lied his family, friends, hundreds of people and will not have money to pay the bills, because of quitting job a year ago, or other conclusion, that Tim is a crazy hater, and doesent matter what OneCoin will say or do he will see it in a dark colours, because he will lose money from his business of Bitcoin Cash Mashines, if OneCoin will be better and more popular than BitCoin.
After one of above or many others possible (every single person will have their own) conclusions, people can decide by themselves what to do next, depends of their own situation: not joining, not inviting other people to OneCoin, buying OneCoin Package, trying to sell OneCoins, warning others about OneCoin, etc.
OneCoin can put whatever it wants in its terms and conditions, doesn’t change the fact that Ponzi points are being invested in.
Right. Well you better call up the SEC and let them know Zeek Rewards was really about penny auctions and TelexFree about VOIP.
Please.
Ken Labine can’t be part of it then.
Did you see him shout at Kevin Thompson for fifteen minutes? Poor guy couldn’t get a word in edgewise.
Then there was the four hour “opening statement” with Tim Tayshun.
Anyway, all one has to do is state OneCoin use newly invested funds to pay off existing investors, making it a Ponzi scheme.
There’s no rebuttal to that, ie. no debate to be had.
So you are not capable of making your own interpretation, and instead, you are simply a parrot to repeat whatever they told you. Is that correct?
Thats why this debate moderated by Dan is a very good idea. Of course if both sides are not afraid to do this.
Lets people decide for themselves after hearing both sides discussing with moderation, instead of putting into their heads that it is a Ponzi scam, Ponzi points, Ponzi whatever or blessing from god and a new system of payments.
@K. Chang
I am just pointing out and clarifying what sometimes you and others missed, being blinded by your interpretation (and internal definition of external world, which all of us defend so strongly), doesent matter is it from hate or faith point of view.
Its called being objective and doing your homework well.
What you pointed out does are irrelevant to the main question: whether OneCoin is a scam or not.
And we pointed out plenty “what you missed”. Are you blinded by your interpretation? Or again, you can’t admit that to yourself?
There are two ways to identify a duck. A) Take a tissue sample and do a DNA analysis. B) Notice the way the creature walks, swims, flies and quacks.
This might be helpful for “homework” purposes:
NOLINK://belegal.com/wordpress/tag/ponzi-scheme/
As suggested in article, anyone in Spain who is curious as to whether the pertinent authorities might view One Coin as a fraudulent scheme should direct their question here:
NOLINK://www.cnmv.es/portal/home.aspx?lang=es
Perhaps you can contact the CNMV and return here to share their response.
I have been reading and following behind mlm articles about one coin for quite some time now. Most of the information stated about one coin here is false. Or twisted.
Like showing half of a statistical chart to prove your own agenda. whereas showing the full chart would leave a more accurate impression. There are so many things I can list here that you have incorrectly stated.
In one coin if you do not sell education packages then you don’t earn bonuses. How is this different than any other MLM. YOU say no one would buy the education package if they didn’t receive tokens.
In fact only 10% of members actually submit their tokens to mining. So statistically, your opinion is wrong. Yes you may see most of the public promoters focusing heavily on the coin, but I have seen first hand most of the live events and trainings around the globe focus solely on the One Academy.
Yes they can improve the quality of One Academy, which they already are. They have been recording a complete new series of quality education videos to teach not just crypto currency but how finances work in general. Remember this company is 18 months old. They are a start up.
Behindmlm is not an authority. Therefor to give a company a legal classification before real authorities do, it is merely just an opinion. Just like you pretend to be so concerned about exposing the truth, yet if (Ozedit: Offtopic derail attempt removed)
Time will tell if One Coin will succeed or not. But with over 1 million members behind it, excited about the future of this currency, it does have value.
Maybe not to you. But who cares if not to you. Just like Bitcoin is valuable to some and to some, they still call it a ponzi point system as well.
I have been around MLM industry for 25 years. One thing I can say is Ignatova does what she says she will do. People do get paid. If Most people did not get paid then the company wouldn’t keep growing as fast as it is.
Yes they need to improve the success rate of executing coin sales. They will. The exchange was custom built from scratch. But there are many successfully selling coins on the exchange. I know a person who has sold over 70,000 EUR in coins over the last 9 months.
@OneCoin Spain:
The ONLY thing I am “afraid” of in regards to Onecon is actual physical violence against me or my family. This is a billion dollar ponzi scheme that REQUIRES new money to pay-off old investors, as Oz continues to give you clarity about.
You calling me a “hater” is completely unfounded. I am a LOVER of cryptocurrency and the integrity of this technology and community.
You can call me a “protector” of cryptocurrency, etc., but do not call me a “hater” for the sake of being a hater. That is unfounded.
Ken says I am “jealous.” Sorry, but I am not jealous of being in a position of financially benefitting from ill-gotten gains. If you are, than YOU are the problem.
CONCLUSION
Fine! Let’s make it a party – or better yet a MODERATED PANEL!
I have personally reached out to the Grand Wizard Ruja to interview her, personally, to give her the opportunity to try to “exonerate” herself. Of course that is impossible when you look at THE FACTS.
And FACTS are the only thing that matter here.
Ken Labine is a lunatic, but if a moderator has the ability to shut him up when he’s yelling (or maybe auto-tune his weaseley voice), than I would consider.
BUT, what I don’t understand is this! I have posted now on THOUSANDS of Onecoiner pages in the past 45 days (since the famous “DEBATE”). LITERALLY.
So, OneCoin Spain: why do all the posts I make asking for ANY challenge to ANY of the evidence presented ALWAYS go silent???
I offer you the same challenge! WHAT SPECIFIC SUBJECT DO YOU NEED MORE CLARITY ON? AND HOW MANY DOZEN LIES DOES IT TAKE FOR YOU TO DETERMINE THAT IT WAS ONE LIE TOO MANY!?!?!
SERIOUSLY!
Onecoin claimed:
The problem is China does not have such a list. You can’t be included on a list that does not exist.
What we *do* know is China is about to launch ITS OWN cybercurrency.
( NOLINK://ibtimes.co.uk/chinese-central-bank-launch-its-own-digital-currency-1539279 )
It has also prohibited all banks and financial institutions from touching cybercurrencies, such as Bitcoin. Private parties can trade, but not financial institutions. This was enacted in 2013 and enforced in 2014, LONG before OneCoin arrived.
( NOLINK://cryptocoinsnews.com/pboc-orders-all-chinese-banks-third-party-payment-processors-shut-accounts-15-chinese-bitcoin-exchanges-april-15th/ )
If UnionPay dropped OneCoin, they were tricked into accepting OneCoin in the first place. OneCoin probably used a proxy company.
Right now other cybercurrencies are not banned, but you can’t do anything serious with it as no financial institutions can touch it.
You can be sure that once China do launch its own coin, ALL other cybercurrency will be declared worthless in China.
@Dahr
Cut the crap.
If tomorrow OneCoin announced everyone had to delete their plagiarized PDF files, nobody would care.
If tomorrow OneCoin announced they were cancelling the Ponzi points scheme, there would be riots.
1. So says the company, which statistically has been full of shit.
2. If true, this is because of the splits is it not? OneCoin by design prolongs the eventual withdrawal stage.
Pseudo-compliance doesn’t trump the actual nature of the business.
Sell Ponzi points, invest in Ponzi points and collect a Ponzi ROI.
Facts != opinion.
Use newly invested funds to pay off existing investors? You’re a Ponzi scheme.
1. Time will only increase the ROI liability of the company, bringing closer the inevitable collapse.
Why do the top investors always fall back on time? Because time permits them to steal more from those who invested after them.
2. What value? You can’t do anything with OneCoins except cash them out (ROI).
Oh really? Where are the banks? Where are the merchants? Where is the US relaunch?
Statistically OneCoin have a horrible track record of delivering on their publicly announced promises.
They can’t. The rate of new investment into the company is outside of OneCoin’s control.
No it wasn’t. They just copy and pasted CoolsDAQ from BigCoin.
The whole of OneCoin is a copy-paste job, it’s just BigCoin v2.
And I bet if you plotted those ROI payments on a timeline, hardly anything has come through these last few months.
This is illogical. The members are excited BECAUSE they think the coin has value.
The coin has no value other than what they believe. It has NO value to any one outside. Nobody will take it for anything. Money goes in and through to Ruja’s pocket. It doesn’t come back out to the members.
Real fiat currency is backed by a nation or economic community (like EuroZone). OneCoin is backed by nothing except Ruja’s imagination.
What does one have to do with the other?
You got any proof of that? Other than “OneCoin said so”?
The only one who did so here is you.
And he shows you this for what purpose, exactly? To get you to invest, perhaps? Did he show you how many failed attempts he made?
Ozzie-Oz, how did you not pick up on this one?
Of course, when the ship sinks, in case they are indicted, they wanted to make sure no one could take the buildings as collateral to get their money back with!
Oz…. That was a no-brainer!
Looks like you’re tired. Give yourself a rest! Tomorrow we pick up from where we left off!
P.S. Why would you think it was a joke? I have alot more to say on that. . .
So just buckle yourself in. We’re gonna’ ride this roller coaster together!
Best, Best!
xo~A
That’s the logical conclusion, as Kasey was quick to point out.
No official word from the company though, not that any of their investors would dare ask. At least not publicly.
@K. Chang
I am presenting neutral facts, which sometimes are wrongly misinterpreted and presented, like i.e. those 1,5% limits or “problems” with widrawals in the above article.
I am trying to be neutral, not saying that its a Ponzi and seeing (because of looking for!) evidences everywhere for only this, or saying this is a new payment system and seeing evidences only for it.
I know it would be something new for you to be objective, neutral, questioning your own point of view constantly, and looking for truth that way, but I give you a chance to be aware and in awe, that other people try do to this.
@Dahr
Those 70 000 EUR I think wouldnt be only from one account if its true, because of the daily limits of 1.5% of Coins and about 120 EUR (depends from package) of maximum selling daily available… 120 EUR x 180 days = 21,600 EUR
@Tim
I am sorry If you feel to be a hater, I didnt want to be mean and attack you personally. I was just talking about haters and believers points of views.
After this moderated discussion between you and Ken, many people will have build their own opinions about you, him and OneCoin. I cant wait for this 🙂
@K.Chang OnceAgain 😉
UnionPay as you may know is a company bigger than Visa and Mastercard. Its the biggest debit cards supplier in the world, with 2,5 000 000 000 of cards (most of them in China, but has ATMs cooperating in 100 countries).
It is a VERY good news from OneCoin, but you accuse company like UnionPay to be stupid and not knowing with who they do business…
But as I said, some people here (OneCoin Haters… but not Tim! 😉 ) and there (OneCoin Leaders) has their own internal reality and interpret every good/bad/neutral fact in their own way, from their own, old point of view, without questioning it from time to time.
@Oz
I agree that 10% of users only is mining because more of them waits for splits, or just are transferred from Sitetalk, etc and doesent want to do anything, just wait.
I agree as well, that Dr Ruja didnt keep her word about “thousands of merchants after 30% is mined” which happened few weeks ago. But we will see: They have in a 3 weeks big event to announce it.
They published 2 days ago a video on their official YT channel, where Juha is talking about first merchant in May, so 11th of June is their last chance.
youtube.com/watch?v=dwEOweg_VRE
Btw this video has only 28 views, so not many from those 1,8 mln users 😉 Same as 1,552 views of their Webinar in english a week ago on their OFFICIAL Webinar channel 😉
She also didn’t keep her word about merchants by the “end of 2015” from her Dubai speech of May 2015.
30% mined was reached around April 18th. Over a month has passed, and no sign of merchants.
The video of Juha you linked to was sourced from the Angels Team interview published on the 11th April. Over a month has passed, and still no merchants.
youtu.be/WHv6rDn2nDQ?t=8m43s
Right there is pretty much where any need for another “debate” ends.
If OneCoin was a legitimate/viable MLM, their products would be able to be retailed without a compensation plan attached.
Strip away all of the other distractions and what you are left with is a product that very few, if any, would pay up to 27,500 Euros for.
If I told you how many times I have heard a statement like “I know a person who has … ” in my 18 years of watching Ponzi schemes come and go it would blow your mind.
“A person … ”
“My upline says … ”
“A guy I know … ”
“A friend … ”
Whether ignorance or complicity, it’s the language of trade of con artists.
SD
@OneCoinSpain
Why do you keep dubbing people who want to expose a criminal enterprise and who want to help save people from financial loss ‘haters’?
And as I explained to you before, your corrections are NOT RELEVANT in determining whether OneCoin is a scam or not. They are minor details.
And as I quoted before, UnionPay, as a Chinese financial institution, is PROHIBITED from doing business with any cybercurrency since 2014. it cannot be a money processor for OneCoin.
I suspect OneCoin did not identify themselves as a cybercurrency when dealing with UnionPay. Why else would UnionPay accepted them for a while then dropped them?
@Char
I just want discussions to be based on well researched facts and from neutral point of view, instead of hate or faith.
@K.Chang
I think telling the complete truth and doing your research deeply and well is VERY relevant, but only if you have neutral point of view, not hate or faith, and you “know” everything already.
About UnionPay, OneCoin (Dr Ruja) said some time ago:
businessforhome.org/2016/04/onecoin-ceo-ruja-ignatova-statement-on-china-rumors/
Tell me what the researchers of facts hate?
I’m trying to get you to see how out of context your statement is. The words hate (or faith) should have no place in this discussion. These words are mind tools for the scam artists.
@OneCoingSpain What side of the onecoin fence are you really on.
Your view point seems to be that you want things to really work out for onecoin no matter how much evidence you see that proves otherwise.
Do they really have to announce anything? So far they can’t address why people can’t withdraw or use the coin.
How about we agree onecoin has failed to be the crypto currency of choice. As waiting to see sure isn’t a neutral stance.
HOW many more banks will deny onecoin?
AND
Why would onecoin delete so many posts by their own members?
I think we all see the problems yet to ignore the real truth here will not make it better.
Do you see a future with a currency that no one can use anywhere?
Let me put it this way. If you were to open your business today which crypto currency would you accept and why?
@Terrence B
Hope you know that OneCoin is only 1,5 year old.
I am on the middle, neutral side of the fence. I am interested in facts and truth, not opinions based on faith or hate.
So zero of the facts so far are any good to you? sounds like you might just be a member heavily invested into the coin.
1.5 year old and you still on the fence hmmmm. You either ignoring the facts or don’t want to read them.
Either way someone should hate being scammed and to see people being scammed that don’t have access to the facts themselves.
Clearly you have access you just want to play around with them.
What exactly would get you off the fence anyway? When you lost your money?
Neutral my assets. You wouldn’t be here trying to defend it as ardently as you are if you were neutral. Why can’t you just admit it that you are a strong supporter of OneCoin and all the lies that you have been told?
Claiming that your neutral is being disingenuous and you know it. Your problem is that none of us are buying your claim of being neutral. But the big issue is we know OneCoin is a Ponzi and facts have been presented here to prove it.
When Ruja runs with the money, and she will if the authorities don’t shut her down, you will come back and apologize right?
Faith and hate are not opposites as you keep suggesting.
Faith – uncertainty
Hate – love
Presenting, requiring, and questioning facts isn’t about hate even though scammers would like you to believe it to be.
Within the context of MLM, faith and hate are strawman concepts.
OneCoin use newly invested funds to pay off existing investors. That makes it a Ponzi scheme and is all that’s really relevant here.
Financial fraud doesn’t care about hate. Financial fraud doesn’t care about faith.
Financial fraud is about ripping you off and convincing you otherwise while it happens.
Pot calling the kettle black. You are NOT neutral, despite all you claim to be. Neither your handle/screenname nor your arguments are neutral.
The best example is above: when confronted with news reports that China had banned cybercurrency from financial institutions, your only reply was “Ruja said…”
In your mind, whatever Ruja said is to be treated as if it is equivalent to news reports. It must be true, it must not be questioned.
YOU are the one full of faith, yet you keep insisting other people are full of faith or hate.
Clearly, you are in denial. That is your freedom to do so, but this sort of faith has consequences, esp. on your wallet.
I really dont understand what your definition of TRUTH and FACTS is. How about REALITY?
What reason do all of these readers of BehindMLM and Oz himself have for trying to expose Ruja and the rest of her gang for what they are really trying to do here?
What reason would I have for lying about the Forbes Cover not being true? Because we hate?? Because we fear? Not true!!
My reason for wanting the TRUTH exposed is not because I hate or am fearful of anything…I have taken many chances on these so called online businesses… and they have all went belly up!…with eveyones money.
When I was first approached with Onecoin it was from a bunch of so called leaders that I was involved with in a company called UFUN.
We had all just lost everything with that scam. But wanting to try and save my former teams leaders from again getting taken… I decided to check out this new business… Onecoin.
As I was going over the information I noticed that the stuff they were saying was almost identical to UFUN.
UFUN had taken all of us for a ride with the same message…”WE are creating a new currency, the price now is .01…get in now and wait for the splits!! Soon we will have tons of stores where you can purchase items…THE SAME OL SONG AND DANCE.
When I asked these leaders about that they then gave me the Forbes Cover. I then decided to check it out myself.
I contacted Forbes. And found out it was a lie. I was the person who found out that it was a paid advertisement in Brandvoice.
I didnt ask about the wrong magazine like Ken Labine tries to play it off as…. I found out it was Brandvoice and then Onecoin had no choice but to tell the truth.
I then asked myself why would a legit business have to downright lie about something like that??? So I put it together… the similarities to UFUN and their Utokens… the massive Forbes lie… this Onecoin was nothing more than another ponzi trying to steal everyones hard earned money.
Look up UFUN Utokens… see for yourself. Onecoin was riding on the tails of Utoken… same promises and lies. And that my friend is reality… and truth and facts… it really doesnt take a genius to put all of the pieces into place… unless of course someone is in denial…
if trying to warn others about doing their due diligence and putting the pieces together for themselves and knowing both sides of what is being said about Onecoin is being called a hater.. thats a very weak response… and should also raise a red flag with people.
I sleep well at night knowing that I have tried to keep people from being scammed…. and to me thats all that matters at this point.
You can lead a horse to water but you can not make him drink!
I watched the videos of Dr. Ruja above. She seems to be a very nice kindly soul who is trying to help the 2 billion poor folks in the rest of the world who are “unbanked”.
What is so wrong with that? If she gets a fee of 30 Euros per person from 10 million people, I think that is a reasonable price to pay for the altruism she is displaying.
I am not going to join Ilgamos as it has no mojo. I am ready to help Dr. Ruja with her ambitious aim to help the poor of the world.
BTW how do I get some of that 30 Euros per person? OC Spain, please let me know. Appreciated.
And Paul Burks of Zeek Rewards, as well as Andy “Ad Surf Daily” Bowdoin, and Bernie Madoff look like typical grandpas.
There is no proof of “10 million people” other than OneCoin’s own unproven unaudited claims.
I don’t understand how a ponzi scam could do any good for those 2 billion poor people.
However I bet you’re going to amuse us with an illogical and totally absurd explanation.
2 billion people who have no bank account. Poor people. How to help this people?
100 Euro to open Onecoin account? That is very expensive. They will not pay 100 Euro. That is a lot of money for the 2 billion poor people.
There are many other banking and debit card options that are free. Onecoin idea of heloing 2 billion people will not work.
uh, i’m hoping you meant *sarcasm*.
if not, then you are a very lazy person, to comment here without bothering to read the onecoin articles published.
so, the lyoness scam not paying you well anymore?
well well well, along with buying property in bulgaria, ruja ignatova has now bought a plane!
a video uploaded by canadian onecoin affiliate ken labine yesterday, shows ruja ignatova’s top henchman sebastian greenwood, flying off to columbia in a plane painted with the OneLife logo.
since onelife was formally inaugurated as an entity only in june,2016, i assume this plane is a recent acquisition by rujamama with investor money.
so while onecoin affiliates are being encouraged not to exchange their onecoins for cash on the internal exchange, as their onecoins will get doubled in oct 2016, ruja is busy putting investor money towards buying a whole plane!
really rujamama, all this ‘showing off’ with investor funds will only make regulators more alert o your scam!
youtube.com/watch?v=a4Mo2bfAFv4&feature=youtu.be&ab_channel=ONEcoin1010
Bought or leased. Mexican flag on that plane. Nothing suss.
And god knows what phony shell company name they’ve registered it in.
What’s REALLY interesting is the tail number, XA-SDR, means it belongs to some Mexican air charter company. It’s NOT private (that’s XB prefix). They just chartered it. And from a certain angle, you can see the OneCoin logo is just vinyl applique. You can see the two seams running through it. That’s basically stick-on/peel-off logo.
Unfortunately, Mexican Civil Air Registry is NOT searchable online, so I can’t tell you which company, but no, it’s NOT a private plane.
What’s even MORE hilarious is why did they include flying footage that’s NOT from the flight.
There’s a segment at 1:25 with a shot out the window aiming back over the wing… Except that’s clearly a 737 as the engine is visible, not the private jet (Probably a Bombardier Challenger 600 series) they’re on (those have the engines on the tail).
Must have ran out of stock footage.
Ponzi operator, rented flying machine with stick-on scammer’s logo, million of illusory dollars…. anyone remember Alan Stanford?
dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1151644/Master-illusion-Stanfords-company-helicopter-rented-20m-cricket-jackpot-just-100k.html
110 years…..
You people blow me away at your awesomeness. Anything that looks suspiciously out of place you investigate.
While sometimes it dead ends, often it doesn’t and you show amazing investigative perseverance to demonstrate evidence of lies and inconsistencies. Hahaha. I admire that 🙂
Interesting story from Thailand. The basis of the article is that OneCoin is protected from inflation because it has a fixed number (120,000 million).
m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1662667544059171&substory_index=0&id=1654187658240493
The funniest line in the article is that only supply and demand can dictate the price of OneCoin. So only when supply outpaces demand, or when people stop spending OneCoins will the value decrease. Plus the race car has a pretty OneCoin logo on it.
Conveniently left out the fact that the supposed 2.0 revision expanded that volume by 1000%… So everything is suddenly worth 1/10th as much…
The 120,000 million is the 2.0 number. That Facebook page other goodies, such as
For the record, and to clarify, Onecoin will allegedly have 120,000,000,000 (120 BILLION) coins, not million, come October 1st.
120,000 million is the same as 120 Billion. It’s just an abnormal way of saying it.
Onecoin is not a concurrency and nowhere near it.
As to Onecoin paying money out to people – BIG LIE!!! I know 35000 people in India haven’t received 1 penny since onecoin declared to do KYC authentication and for some reason refused to pass any from that country.
In Bulgaria and Ukraine + Russia a lot of people cant get their money back for over 8 moths now. Coins don’t sell ( why would they ), withdrawals are down to only bank wire and even that not everyone gets.
Ruja spent over 20 million for property in Bulgaria already. 120 billion technology?? Please )) Ruja and her team have no clue what is a technology of concurrency.
One person in her main team is a well know American scammer, who was in prison for a very similar scam on territory of USA. Very well constructed lie!!! And of cause she and her team made MILLIONS on this!!
Some people made money as well, who got involved in very beginning and left this scam in time.
If you ask Ruja what type of technologies on crypto currencies out there, she wouldst have a clue what to say )) This fact was already checked and proven!!
I tried to buy a pizza with onecon and the guy would only accept bitcoin!
Ari Widell, AKA: Scam Detector, just came out with another banger!
Apparently, Bulgarian newspaper Банкеръ / Banker published an article about OneCoin last Friday 7 October. The article goes through the latest warnings given by authorities and the earlier scams where Ruja Ignatova and Sebastian Greenwood were involved.
HERE: banker.bg/finansov-dnevnik/read/opasni-strasti-s-onecoin
They even managed to get Ruja “the Klepto Queen,” herself on the phone!!
I’ll let Ari take it from here:
kusetukset.blogspot.com/2016/10/onecoin-whole-attack-comes-from-bitcoin.html?m=1
It was clearly both that Ruja was not expecting such a call, nor was She prepared our happy about it! Lol.
Ruh-roh, someone caught Ignatova building a big underground vault to stash all her stolen OneCoin money:
dnevnik.bg/gradska_sreda/2017/05/29/2978145_nezakonen_stroej_e_zapochnal_v_dvora_na_bivshiia/
(not really, well… maybe.)
OneCoinSpain is allowed to talk on behalf of OneCoin? Likely NO. As usual.
The problem is that IMA’S are doing the real job, and IMA’S are legally liable. Of course, some IMA’s are claiming that this isn’t true, but case law in most country’s is confirming that IMA’s are legally liable.
Lol, after being exposed Ignatova and the gang rushed to cover up the construction.
Within 24 hours of the Dnevnik article going live, the construction bars protruding out of the ground were removed and the pit covered over in sand.
Council inspectors rocked up but OneCoin denied them entry to the premises. They’re going to send Emil Hursev, the owner of the property, a message requesting access.
When queried by Hursev about the illegal construction, he claimed he “had no idea what was happening” and deferred questions to the tenant (OneCoin).
Hursev is a pal of Ignatova’s and is believed to be holding the property for her.
Dnevnik also went to the property and asked the security guard what was going on. He told them he hadn’t noticed any construction going on (you’ll laugh when you see the photos…).
dnevnik.bg/gradska_sreda/2017/06/01/2981127_nezakonniiat_stroej_v_bivshiia_restorant_krim_veche_e/#comments-wrapper
So… what were OneCoin trying to hide construction of?
A hitler bunker oerhaps
I’m just asking myself why you still call that B*tch DR (doctor) she is just a regular scammer