Jeunesse selling ranks to Monavie distributors?
The controversy surrounding Jeunesse’s acquisition of Monavie continues, with recent promotional efforts suggesting Jeunesse is selling affiliate ranks to Monavie distributors.
Our source for today’s story is Calvin Becerra, who credits himself as a “Monavie Presidential Black Diamond and Mynt Founder” on his website.
In a video uploaded to YouTube on May 30th, Becerra mentions a “transition on Monday night”, which would have been June 1st.
This transition would appear to be Monavie affiliates being rolled into Jeunesse.
As part of the transition, various packages are being offered that allow former Monavie affiliates to purchase ranks within Jeunesse.
Becerra tells viewers he’s going to “purchase the Founder Kit for two thousand dollars.
Why?
[00:25] Because I want to be in that Founders Club.
I want to take part in that 2% global pool of earning a founder’s check every quarter in this company.
[00:57] For any of you guys that are Founders Club people, that have ordered that Founders Kit on day 1, then basically you guys will be cut a check every single quarter, based on the size of your team and the volume your organization is doing.
Every quarter it will grow and grow and grow, and you’ll be able to collect a bigger paycheck.
According to Becerra, Jeunesse are offering five thousand Founders Kits to Monavie affiliates.
[00:46] Once they’re gone, they’re gone. So you better have some fast internet connection and fast fingers to place that order.
To maintain this rank, Becerra mentions a required 60 PV a month.
PV stands for Personal Volume, being sales volume generated by an affiliate’s own purchase of product and sales to retail customers.
Continuing to market the benefits of signing up with a $2000 Founders Kit, Becerra explains
[1:50] If you order more than that, you can allocate that to go towards your future autoships when you order more in any given month.
Becerra does not mention sales to retail customers, suggesting affiliate autoship is the sole focus when it comes to monthly PV qualification within Jeunesse.
If that wasn’t bad enough, Becerra then ventures into a hard sell – explicitly detailing Jeunesse’s offering of rank purchasing to Monavie distributors.
[2:01] What I want to talk to you guys about is what you guys wanna do on Monday at 4pm, okay?
First you gotta know which package you want to upgrade to.
If you’re buying a package, it’s only because you want to promote yourself higher in the ranks in the company to get paid overrides on your entire team.
Even more overrides then you should get right now.
Basically the company (Jeunesse) allows you, when you get started, to order a kit to promote yourself halfway up the entire ranks field to collect more money on your entire team.
What Becerra describes there is unmistakable “pay to play”, which has previously landed more than a few MLM companies in regulatory hot water.
[2:27] Usually in any company, when you start you have to earn those ranks to be able to achieve more ways to get paid.
You can buy your way into those ranks right now by just buying one of these kits.
According to Becerra, the spending of thousands of dollars by Monavie affiliates on kits will promote them to the Sapphire rank within Jeunesse.
This promotion is temporary (180 days), but devoid of any actual effort by the affiliate. All they need to do is pay Jeunesse money.
[2:51] That’s like being an Emerald or Ruby in the Monavie company or the Mynt company.
That’s a six figure income earner.
[3:25] So basically you’re able to promote yourself at the very beginning.
[3:25] When you’re at work, what does a promotion mean?
It usually means a pay raise right? You’re exited about it.
In this business it’s the same thing.
You’re able to order one of these kits on Monday and promote yourself half-way up the entire pay scale.
As if the blatant pay to play incentives being offered Monavie distributors wasn’t bad enough, turns out these affiliate kits are also commissionable.
For every Monavie distributor that is re-recruited into Jeunesse via a $2000 Founders Kit, the affiliate who recruited them is paid $220.
Should all five thousand Jeunesse Founders Kits be snatched up before a Monavie distributor decides to act, as an alternative Becerra suggests:
[4:09] If you aren’t able to get a Founders Kit, what I would advise you to do is get an Ambassador Kit no matter what.
Not the upgrade to an Ambassador Kit, the Ambassador Kit for $1999.
This generates “points” for the affiliate who does the recruiting. It also buys an affiliate the Jeunesse Sapphire rank for 180 days.
A cheaper “upgrade” for $999 is also available, should a Monavie affiliate initially buy in at a lower rank.
Note however that the Ambassador upgrade only buys an affiliate 90 days of the Sapphire rank.
Other packs available include
- a Jumbo Pack for $799 (buys Sapphire rank for 90 days and pays a $200 recruitment commission)
- a Supreme Pack for $499 (buys Pearl Executive rank and pays a $100 recruitment commission)
Obviously wanting his Monavie downline to purchase the packs so he can make quick bank, Becerra concludes:
[5:15] Those are the packages I suggest.
I highly advise you guys to order one of these to promote yourself higher into the income pay skill in the company.
You’re giving yourself an instant promotion at the very beginning.
Look for the packages that have Sapphire, okay?
The Founders Kit, the Ambassadors Kit… or at least the Jumbo Kit. That’s what you want to get.
You do not have to buy anything… but wouldn’t you like to get paid more for doing the same thing as the guy who didn’t order anything?
Of course you would. Promote yourself.
[5:53] I’ve never seen a company where a brand new person can get started from scratch, order a kit and instantly be promoted halfway up the pay-scale to ranks people take a year to get to.
And there’s a reason for that Calvin. It’s because pay to play schemes are universally frowned upon by US regulators.
Rank promotion in an MLM opportunity should be based on sales activity and sales activity alone.
Some of this invariably is going to be downline purchase of product, but otherwise the rest should be derived from retail sales.
In what looks to be a quick cash grab by Jeunesse, Monavie distributors are being milked for thousands of dollars.
And what’s going to happen after 90-180 days?
That of course is not addressed in Becerra’s video.
[6:03] That’s what you want to do. That’s why you order a kit.
Whether or not Becerra’s marketing efforts are indicative of Monavie affiliates pitching Jeunesse to their downlines is unclear.
As part of an established affiliate genealogy though, Becerra obviously got his talking points from somewhere (he repeatedly glances off to the side during the video), with that somewhere presumably being Becerra’s own upline.
Mind you, the rank “Royal Black Diamond” is very much in the upper tiers of Monavie’s compensation plan. It’s not like Becerra is some new low-level Monavie distributor faking it till he’s made it.
Which makes the following all the more alarming:
[7:16] Share the opportunity, not just the products.
Don’t be just a product salesman or a person that just gets customers, share the opportunity.
These are products that people want to be on the distribution end of.
Tell them they want to be on the money-making side, not just the product taking side.
Tell them how lucrative the opportunity is to be on the distribution end of this company.
I mean really, if this is how Jeunesse is being pitched to Monavie distributors now, what are the chances any of them are going to be focusing on retail sales?
In effect, Calvin Becerra’s entire [7:40] video can pretty much be summed up as follows:
Pay thousands of dollars for a kit, get paid to recruit others who do the same now and hope that in six months those you recruited are generating enough recruitment activity so get to keep your bought rank.
Failing that, you’re evidently on your own (sans your kit buy-in fees of course).
zero zip zilch nada.
this wont really be a shock to monavie distributors, because monavie with its overpriced juice bottles was nothing but a product based pyramid scheme.
we know product based pyramids inhabit the grey area legally, and are generally left alone by regulators unless some real hanky panky is going on.
this selling of pyramid positions by jeunesse, to monavie distributors, is definitely seriously hanky panky stuff. it’s a wonder that jeunesse which has been embroiled in so much controversy recently, has the guts to pull this off.
They’re pulling it off by knowing full well that industry watchers are powerless to stop them.
Jeunesse are breaking rules, and a lot of bad press is going around about them, so it’s only a matter of time before distributors wake up to their games.
What position on the top pyramid do the Becerra’s hold?
this is the document offering founders pool position to ex monavie distributors:
nowhere in his fasttalk of approx 7 minutes, did calvin becerra tell his audience that they would have to have 5 customers buying 60 PV each, for three months, to make the founder pool commissions.
monavie.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/How-The-Founders-Pool-Works-Final-update.pdf
Jeunesse is a Joke…
what else are they going to buy? maybe they will purchase a few more downlines and continue to piss everyone off!
I wonder How many BDA’S are still being handed out now that Darren Jensen is Gone. Darren was the smart one who saw the writing on the wall.
I have never seen a company Built on GREED the way Jeunesse has! ughh I just threw up in my mouth.. How bout how instantly ageless is severely burning peoples skin and the company keeps covering it up!!
I can’t wait until the day this company implodes and all the leaders Run to the Next Shiny Object!! It’s only a matter of time..
Calvin and Shannon becerra aka con artists at work.
This video is a great video.
Most companies offer business kits with higher “paid as” rank incentives for a period of time. No one buys a kit and buys a rank by doing it.
Everyone saw the founders pool article on the company website and our team site explaining how it worked. Also it’s not difficult to have 5 customers who order 60CV each month.
The same 5 customers each month. Everyone loves the founders pool.
This article was written by Two upset distributors who were terminated by mynt for cross recruiting others to FGX. I am the one who had requested their termination after three separate incidents of cross recruiting occurred. Our team agreed that they had to be stopped.
Retail sales in Jeunesse are very easy with these quality products. Plus we still have core and EMV.
However, only personally enrolling retail customers will not build a business.
You need to go out and find distributors like yourself to invest and share /retail products as well. It’s called leverage. Most customers will not share. Distributors will.
This article is a sad story of disgruntled distributors trying to make noise. We’ve only created friends in this industry, not enemies. I will not give their names but we all know who they are.
They are a clear example of what not to do. Cross recruiting is always grounds for termination.
Also let the record be clear, not one monavie or mynt distriIibutor was given a BDA. I would have accepted it and performed on it. BDA are not bad because they require you to perform or it is worthless.
Many companies use them. We were not offered them at all. Good luck to everyone in the industry and I hope those of you that haven’t had success do.
Never be negative. Always stay positive.
Hi Calvin, thanks for stopping by.
What most companies do or don’t do doesn’t change the fact that Jeunesse are clearly offering a pay to play to Monavie distributors.
You’re making it sound like the 5 customers don’t have to be retail (non-affiliates)?
Sorry, I’m who now?
No need what with all the recruitment commissions you’ll get by bringing your Monavie downline into Jeunesse.
At over $100 a pop you top Monavie affiliates are more than taken care of.
Oz, this will be the last reply I make. There is nothing different here than from other companies.
Would it be better if we were just paid an hourly rate or monthly salary?
I think the comp plan is great for everyone, especially new people. The products are even better!
Also the customers can be retail, prefered or wholesale. Very simple my friend.
And I quote:
So uh Calvin, who would those “other companies” be then? Or were you lying in the video?
In any event, as I stated what other companies do or don’t do is irrelevant.
Do recruited affiliates on autoship count towards qualification?
After making this video , other leaders from other top companies started coming out of the woodwork telling me that every good company has the same type of business kits.
So this means I have been missing out this whole time.
We are all very happy now. This really helps out the new people just starting out. People love the video and founders Kit by the way.
Sure they did champ.
So that’d be a “no” on listing any other opportunities offering pay to play buying of ranks?
Ditto clarifying whether recruited affiliates on autoship count towards monthly PV requirements?
If you include people in downline, it shouldn’t be that difficult. 🙂
Or actually it shouldn’t be difficult to find 5 external customers either if you have relatively normal relationships with people, e.g. if you have some ideas about “who is interested in what?”.
That’s probably why external customers always have seemed to be a problem in most of opportunities we have looked at.
In case you haven’t noticed, most of the article is about your own video. So don’t blame us for the sad story. 🙂
the jeunesse ‘founders pool’ offer document to monavie distributors is a little confusing.
then it goes on to say:
i’m not getting this^.
so a downline distributor can order 60 PV via lower packages, via autoship, and be held as a customer, as long as he does not engage in ‘distributor like activity’ [whatever that means]??
i mean, if someone orders 60 PV on autoship, doesn’t it mean he is a distributor? i cant get my head around this!
Calvin Becerra’s explanation is clear. Thank you Calvin.
wonderful.
so, do recruited affiliates on autoship count towards monthly PV requirements?
Yes, autoships do count toward PV. 60 PV per month minimum. All kinds of info about Jeunesse’s Comp plan online that you can look up.
FYI, if you don’t know your target market, which are network marketers, not your warm market, you will not make it in this business. If your marketing materials are not persuasive, forget it.
Most MLM companies, including Jeunesse, are great at providing information but not getting to the point about benefits of the products and the comp plan. They almost all still tell you to make the list (your warm market). Big mistake.
And yes, if you don’t target the right market and don’t have persuasive marketing materials, trying to get enough sales volume to qualify is nearly impossible. You most likely have to create your own marketing materials that are persuasive — all about benefits. (Ozedit: Spam removed)
I bring this up because if you learn and apply what needs to be done the correct way in running a distributorship, you should not have trouble qualifying.
The problem is many distributors are taught wrong by their companies and upline on how to build a big productive downline or they don’t have the self motivation and self determination to succeed.
Top Gun:
Can this statement be backed up?
So that means chain recruitment is entirely possible then?
Well all he did was a sales pitch. Nothing more. Sure he tried to lead people into a big purchase, as you know he will get paid for each package he sells, but that’s not hidden, its right there written openly in yiur back office, exactly how much your upline will get if you buy the package.
It is your decision to buy it or not. You are not forced to make a purchase.
To be honest i was hoping to read something more serious in this article than what I’ve read. Some story where Monavie distributors are offered to buy actual ranks for money, like pay 5000$ and be included in the top of the tree for ever…
Nah… All it is to it is- you buy larger volume of product and you will get qualified to receive more bonuses from your downlines…i think it’s all over the place..the more you buy the more your upline gets in commissions and more bonuses you can get from your downlines….
But you can go slow and work your way to this volume month by month….
No one is really FORCED to buy ranks whithin a company…. This whole article is a hype. Sorry.
The issue was never whether anyone was forced to do anything, it’s that ranks were being sold at all.
Selling ranks in MLM = huge red flag. It’s shady and shouldn’t happen.
Otherwise known as pay to play. And you don’t see the problem here?
Hmm…
Find me a scam which FORCES you to put your own money there..
Anything that requires you to get a downline going, and makes you pay upfront for “products”. (vemma)
Hey Crimson Tide , ROLL TIDE from Cali.
I was a mynt recruit and invested $10k into a business no one was interested in the products. I regret this pyramid scheme so much.