Joy to Live Review: Recruitment and lack of retail
Joy to Live was launched in 2010 and operate in the health and nutrition MLM niche.
The company was founded by CEO Gerald Ricks and is headquartered in the US state of Utah.
On their website Joy to Live claim to be owned by parent company “Elite Marketing Alliance, Inc.”
A quick visit to the Elite Marketing Alliance website reveals a near identical product line and compensation plan (EMA appears to be an MLM business opportunity in and of itself).
Management wise Gerald Ricks (photo right) is nowhere to be seen on the Elite Marketing Alliance website, with the company naming a Robert Yukes (also known as Bob Yukes) as company President.
Curiously, both Elite Marketing Alliance and Joy to Live display different information on their respective domain registrations.
Joy to Live’s website domain (“joytolive.net”) is registered to “Quantum Marketing” in Montana, whereas Elite Marketing Alliance (“elite22.com”) is registered to “Elite Alliance LLC” in Kansas.
Including Utah, that’s three US states linked to Joy to Live and I’m not entirely sure what’s going on there.
MLM history wise, prior to Joy to Live, Gerald Ricks appears to have been involved in the MLM company “AlivaMax” (launched in 2008).
AlivaMax sell “supplements” and although the company’s website is still active, today they appear to be a retail-only storefront.
Read on for a full review of the Joy to Live MLM business opportunity.
The Joy to Live Product Line
Joy to Live offer a health and nutrition product range, primarily focusing on nutrition, detox and anti-ageing product lines.
Aerobia – a “liquid oxygen” drink containing vitamin B12, aloevera and CoQ10 (Coenzyme Q10, a “controversial” supplement)
Elixir Blast – a “complete nutritional drink”
LeJoyva – instant coffe containing ganoderma mushroom, goji berry, mangosteen and yarchagumba.
a fungus that parasitizes larvae of ghost moths and produces a fruiting body. The fungus germinates in the living larva, kills and mummifies it, and then the stalk-like fruiting body emerges from the corpse.
Neutra-Cleanse – “digestive support” capsules
Optimum-Weight Loss – appetite suppressant
Ionic Silver – kills “bacteria and other microbes” whilst strengthening the immune system
Affinity – “youthfulness, increased vitality, stronger immune system, reduced imflammation, enhanced sexuality”.
Joy to Live claim the use of Affinity
may diminish the negative effects of anemia, asthma, cancer, chronic fatigue, Crohn’s disease, diabetes, fibromyalgia, obesity, osteoporosis, sexual inadequacies and thyroid dysfunction.
Fulvia – a fulvic acid based “anti-aging capsule”.
Lissome – Anti-aging skin serum ‘comprised of peptides and neuropeptides‘.
JTL Dental Whitening System – increase teeth whitening in as few as three days.
The Joy to Live Compensation Plan
Joy to Live offer their affiliates recruitment commissions and residual commissions via a 3×10 matrix.
Joy to Live pay affiliates on the recruitment of new affiliates down two levels of recruitment (personally recruited affiliates and any affiliates they recruit).
How much of a commission is paid out is dependent on what membership package a new Joy to Live affiliate signs up with:
- $33 Enrollment Package – $15 on level 1, $4.50 on level 2
- $66 Enrollment Package – $30 on level 1, $9 on level 2
- $99 Enrollment Package – $45 on level 1, $13.50 on level 2
- $132 Enrollment Package – $60 on level 1, $18 on level 2
- Silver Package ($198) – $90 on level 1, $27 on level 2
- Gold Package ($396) – $180 on level 1, $54 on level 2
- Ruby Package ($594) – $270 on level 1, $81 on level 2
- Diamond Package ($990) – $450 on level 1, $135 on level 2
Residual commissions are paid out monthly to all qualifying affiliates using a 3×10 matrix compensation structure. In order to qualify for a commission a Joy to Live affiliate must purchase at least one product each month.
A 3×10 matrix compensation structure places an affiliate at the top of the structure with three legs directly underneath them (level 1). These three positions in turn each have three positions under them (level 2) and so on and so forth down 10 levels.
Each of these positions can be filled via the recruitment of a new Joy to Live affiliate, either by direct recruitment or the recruiting efforts of an affiliates up and downlines.
Commissions are paid out as a percentage of the personal volume generated by Joy to Live affiliates in the matrix (downline), with how many levels an affiliate is paid out on dependent on their Joy to Live affiliate membership rank:
- EBO (basic affiliate membership) – 2% on level 1, 3% on level 2, 10% on levels 3 and 4 and 5% on level 5
- EBO2 (30 PV and 60 GV) – 2% on level 1, 3% on level 2, 10% on levels 3 and 4, 5% on level 5 and 2% on level 6
- Silver (30 PV and 300 GV) – 2% on level 1, 3% on level 2, 10% on levels 3 and 4, 5% on level 5 and 2% on levels 6 and 7
- Gold (30 PV and 1000 GV) – 2% on level 1, 3% on level 2, 10% on levels 3 and 4, 5% on level 5 and 2% on levels 6 to 8
- Ruby (60 PV and 4000 GV) – 2% on level 1, 3% on level 2, 10% on levels 3 and 4, 5% on level 5 and 2% on levels 6 to 9
- Diamond (60 PV and 12,500 GV) – 2% on level 1, 3% on level 2, 10% on levels 3 and 4, 5% on level 5 and 2% on levels 6 to 10
PV stands for “personal volume” and includes an affiliates own personal purchases from Joy to Live. GV stands for “group volume” and is the volume generated by an affiliates downline (other affiliates in their matrix).
Note that both GV and PV rank requirements are monthly.
Affiliates can qualify either via volume or buying into the compensation plan directly (which qualifies an affiliate at a specific rank for 12 months).
Silver and above ranked Joy to Live affiliates qualify for a Matching Bonus on the matrix commissions of all personally recruited affiliates.
- Silver – 25%
- Gold – 50%
- Ruby – 75%
- Diamond – 100%
If a Joy to Live affiliate generates 100,000 GV a month (recurring), they qualify for a $822 a month car bonus.
If a Joy to Live affiliate generates 200,000 Gv a month (recurring), they qualify for a $2220 a month house bonus
Joining Joy to Live
Affiliate membership to Joy to Live ranges from $33 to $990.
Affiliates can either join as an EBO for $33 to $132 or buy into the compensation plan at either the Silver ($198), Gold ($396), Ruby ($594) or Diamond ($990) membership levels (buy-in rank qualification lasts 12 months).
In researching the corporate structure of Joy to Live, I’m unable to adequately explain the need for Joy to Live when Elite Marketing Alliance appears to be a fully fledged MLM company in its own right.
Evidently, neither are EMA – when I clicked on the “Why EMA existed” link on their website, I was presented with a page that told me the information was “coming soon”.
With EMA launched in 2010… it doesn’t seem like this is going to be publicly explained anytime soon.
Moving onto the compensation plan, despite the existence of tangible products, I think the key red flag here is a sole focus on affiliate purchases.
Retail commissions do appear to exist with the existence of a retail storefront on the Joy to Live website (or I should say links to a retail storefront which is actually hosted on EMA’s website). Visitors can plug in an affiliates ID code to credit them with commissions or just buy from the company directly.
The focus in Joy to Live squarely appears to be joining up as an affiliate, recruiting new affiliates and earning a commission on everyone’s monthly autoship.
One could argue that products are infact being purchased by affiliates but the intent behind the purchases drags Joy to Live into strong red flag territory.
First and foremost there’s the whole buying into the compensation plan thing. First and foremost this is a membership fee and the fact that how much you spend determines how much commissions you earn for 12 months.
The fact that this membership fee is commisionable is of course yet another red flag.
After signing up, affiliates then can only qualify for matrix commissions by buying at least one product. You have to buy something or you don’t earn squat.
Pretty much all you’re looking at here as an affiliate is signing up new affiliates and earning on their initial membership fee and their subsequent recruitment efforts, and earning a percentage of every affiliate in your downline’s monthly autoship order.
Oh and recruit enough affiliates to generate the specified volume targets and you can take home a matching bonus on the earnings of your personally recruited affiliates too.
As you can see retail, if any exists at all, is purely an afterthought. Retail commissions and retail customers aren’t mentioned anywhere in Joy to Live’s compensation plan material.
As a potential Joy to Life affiliate, a quick check with your potential upline should clarify the existence of any retail customers. Given the way the compensation plan is stacked however, I’d be very surprised if any existed.
Approach with extreme caution. Well, unless perhaps you’re really into caterpillar corpse coffee…
I see a couple possibilities:
1) J2L was used to simply provide a different name to the same thing, but also to provide another layer of corporate shell game.
2) It’s a separate “marketing organization” to promote something else, a lot like Vitel is a marketing org to resell major wireless contracts. The MO then can be transitioned into offering something else in the future should the company shift focus.
Does corporationwiki have any listing for either company, or for the leader himself? Better to track down the company registration directly.
I couldn’t find one.
I did read one affiliate saying the owner allowed him to pick a new name for the company that wasn’t boring or some such. Whether there’s any weight in that though I have no idea.
Joy To Live a the DBA of Elite Marketing Alliance. The commission checks come from EMA.
Their consultant, John Austin, suggested the new name of the DBA because it sounded better for a nutritional company. Nothing is being hidden there.
EMA/JTL is located in Salt Lake City, UT. There is a retail opportunity if distributor instruct customers to click the “Retail” button at the top of the joytolive.net website. The difference of wholesale ($22 or less per product) and retail ($39 per product) is at least $17.
However, distributors can also order products in bulk for as little as $12.50 each. To get that price, they would have to order 20 products.
Also, regarding the yarchagumba (aka cordyceps) ingredient in the JTL coffee, there are a couple of MLM nutritional companies that use it in their products. In fact, one of them is a billion dollar brand that begins with “N” — the other one is biggest coffee MLM on the net and begins with “O,” but I cannot and will not name “names.” However, if you Google it, you will see.
Lastly, if you think about it, yarchagumba is no worst than people in the U.S. taking flu shots, which is lab developed in sheep guts, monkey brains and/or fetal diploid tissue, and other unsavory ingredients.
Truth is, most of us don’t know of everything that’s going into our bodies. How about fast food restaurants that use “pink slime” to make their burgers and chicken nuggets…yet make billions in profits? Just saying…
Thanks for filling in some of the information Sam.
As for caterpillar corpse coffee… I don’t think anyone is ever going to be able to sell me on that.
The problem with dumping some random miracle ingredient into coffee or whatever is multi-fold (not saying that’s what happened here, but just explaining in general)
* pixie-dusting — the additive is in amount so minute its effectiveness can be better explained by homeopathy than science
* “sounds cool, no science” — Chinese herbs are always properly formulated by the doctor to contain a proper mix of ying and yang to balance the body of the patient. Merely including an ingredient that sounds impressive without balancing it with any other ingredient is bogus.
If you’ve actually seen ingredient list of a typical Chinese herbal prescription, you’d see about a dozen or more ingredients, from the exotic to the mundane (like dates) to achieve a proper balance suitable to the patient’s condition.
Merely picking ONE ingredient and adding an unknown amount to anything, to me, heavily suggests pixie-dusting and “sounds cool”.
Oh and I forgot to add,
Why bother having EMA set up as a seperate MLM business opportunity then? Surely this causes nothing but confusion amongst those doing their due diligence into EMA and Joy to Live?
Especially when it’s merely instant coffee to begin with AND it’s packaged in the most expensive way possible, in single serve sachets
As a paid Consultant for Joy To Live, perhaps I can clear up a few of your questions.
You listed several domains in your article that are registered in different states and which although similar in name have nothing to do with EMA or JTL.
Ema22.com is the domain name that was used for Elite Marketing Alliance. Wanting a name more suited to our product line and mission, we registered the name Joy To Live as a dba of EMA. All products currently being sold are now sold under the JTL name.
As for the domain registered by a company in Montana, the domain name joytolive.net was acquired from Quantum Marketing, who was the original owner of that domain.
When EMA first launched, Bob Yukes was President of the company. He resided in St. George, Utah and some of the company business was done from his office building. Bob later resigned as President, which does not make the company any less reputable.
From Your Conclusion:
Many companies sell their products for $40, $60, $80, $120, etc., for a one month supply. Tell me how a person can mark up products from these prices and make a profit? Certainly you can´t say that companies with overpriced products focus on retail.
At Joy To Live, associates can purchase any of our ten products for $12.50 each and resell them for $30 – $40 and make a very nice retail profit. In my opinion, no other company has a better focus on retail than JTL and a large number of our associates are retailing because we have made retail easier than any other company!
From Your Conclusion:
“One could argue that products are in fact being purchased by affiliates but the intent behind the purchases drags Joy to Live into strong red flag territory.”
At JTL autoship is optional. It is true that 70% of our associates sign up for autoship, which may be a record in the industry. Another 25% purchase products even though they are not on autoship. Another interesting fact is that JTL associates are only required to purchase $20BV (1) product monthly at $22 each.
However, the average purchase by associates company wide is $60BV. No other company in the industry has a majority of associates purchasing 3x or more times the amount required to receive commissions.
From Your Conclusion:
To belittle something that you don´t understand may be cute to some people, but it violates the golden rule. If you have some scientific facts that say Yarchagumba is in any way harmful to people, please share them.
Every food that is grown is dependent upon things you would´t want to put in your mouth. When you eat vegetables and fruits that were fertilized with cow dung, that probably doesn´t bother you, although the plant is sucking nutrients from something that is utterly disgusting.
The fact that Yarchagumba begins its life by sucking nutrients from an insect, doesn´t make it an insect, no more that a tomato grown in manure makes it such.
If you did your research on the benefits of this wonderful herb, you would begin to understand its value and why it is the single most expensive medicinal plant in the world.
(Ozedit: removed offtopic remarks)
We charge $33 to get started and the most people will pay for any product after that is $22. We have the highest quality products with the lowest prices (low as $12.50 each).
We have the fairest and best compensation plan to hit the industry. We give people 100% money back guarantee including the cost of shipping and you are telling people to be cautious? About what?
What domains would those be? The only domains mentioned in the article are joytolive.net and ema22.com. Both of which are owned by Elite Marketing Alliance.
Why are they still publicly listed as the owners then?
Why did Bob resign?
Why is Bob Yukes still listed as the President of Elite Marketing Alliance on the elite22.com website today?
What many companies do or don’t do is entirely irrelevant.
That’s clearly not a retail sale for JoytoLive. Anymore than me buying a hamburger at McDonalds and then selling it to someone else is a sale for McDonalds.
Revenue wise it’s an internal sale by JoytoLive to an affiliate, what affiliates do with their purchased product is irrelevant as they alone pay money to JoytoLive.
Optional or not, it’s heavily incentivised in the compensation plan. The idea is clearly to recruit new affiliates, whack them on autoship and then move onto recruiting the next lot.
Affiliates being required to purchase anything is a redflag and only encourages autoship recruitment. You should be first and foremost selling products to retail customers.
Who said anything about being harmful?
Caterpillar corpse coffee. Enuff said.
About the heavily recruitment tilted compensation plan JoytoLive are running. If “but other companies…” is all you have to answer with then I think the concerns with JoytoLive’s compensation model are warranted.
you can tell me how many retail customers you have and how many recruited affiliates you have in your downline?
It seems every point brought up by Mr. Austin is a strawman of some sort…
It’s a hybrid between franchise and MLM. In other words, it’s very similar to a pyramid scheme if it doesn’t have any system to track retail sales to end users, or if it doesn’t have any retail requirements.
Franchise = sell directly to franchisees rather than to retail customers. The franchisee will earn his commission on the difference between wholesale price and the price to retail customers. But franchise is soleley about selling products or services to retail customers, not about selling the franchise to other franchisees.
This is a recruitment scheme with some products attached to it, to make it look like a legit business (if I have interpreted it correctly, I only had a quick overview here). It’s either an illegal franchise or an illegal MLM business plan, if it claims to be one of those two models.
Another red flag, this is how JoytoLive is being markted by its affiliates:
It’s not franchising. Franchising has territory protection (i.e. only X affiliates per area, none within a few blocks of each other)
OK, so there are questions about the company’s origins and caution flags about its marketing & comp plan.
What’s missing in this discussion is the efficacy of the products JTL sells ie: are they good quality and do they work??? What say y’all
The efficacy of the products has nothing to do with the business model. It’s not missing from the discussion, it’s irrelevant.
IMO the product(s) being marketed are just as important as the business model ie: why spend time analyzing a company that sells horse-pucky?
The readers of this commentary deserve to have serious input about JTL’s products – something other your snide remark: “catapillar corpse coffee”. If you have nothing constructive or objective to say about the products, then YOU have said enough.
When the business model is stacked toward recruitment, the products become irrelevant. You could replace them with empty cardboard boxes and they’d have the same effect.
Wanting to talk about the products and ignore the glarind red flags in the business model is simply a derail attempt.
You’re trying to approach analysis from a marketing standpoint (“Ok yyy, but what about xxx…”). That doesn’t work here.
I have no hidden agenda, but suspect you do.
I’m on this site doing “due diligence” and looking for objective information about the company, the business model, AND the products. Your “red flags” aren’t being ignored – they are taken into account for what they are: “your opinion”, which has now become questionable.
The only “derailing” going on is your attempt to avoid an objective discussion of the products efficacy. You’ve said enough. Kindly let others take it from here.
By all means attempt to discover the products efficacy. I’m simply stating that it’s a a moot point in light of the recruitment focused compensation plan Joy to Live are running.
Dismissing recruitment incentives and a lack of retail as “opinion” is idiotic. Facts are facts. You can “question” them all you want, they’re still facts.
Hidden agendas… yawn.
What Oz said was “You can be an illegal pyramid scheme selling legal products”. Having legal and working products does not prove or disprove the legitimacy (or lack of) the company.
You’re pretty quick to dismiss views that does not fit your view… Apparently to you, a scam company have to deceive you THREE ways (company, business model, AND product) for it to qualify as a scam in your mind.
It looks like Oz and Chang are a tag team here – with an agenda. Unlike you 2, I have formed no “view” about JTL.
Every MLM I’ve ever seen over the last 40 years had a comp plan that was “tilted” to reward recruiting, which doesn’t make them illegal or “scams” as you are so quick to assert in your “opinions” as you declare them “facts”.
Now you’ve stooped to a new low by insinuating that I’m idiotic.
Is there someone on this site that can be objective. If not, I’m going elsewhere for factual information.
If you refuse to see logic and it is indeed you being idiotic.
Please, explain why is my logic wrong, if you’re so convinced that we’re wrong or we have an agenda.
Persecution complex is quite common among MLMers, and often cultivated by “leaders” in order to secure his or her position being top of the group. To a MLMers, it’s very often “us vs. them”… any one who doesn’t say things I want to here is “them”.
I am perfectly open to new information, if you can explain WHY I should treat you seriously through logic and evidence. So far, you’ve just used various logical fallacies.
Then perhaps you didn’t read enough court cases or FTC decisions and such.
If a company PRIMARILY reward people for recruiting, it’s a pyramid scheme, not MLM. Most MLMs PRIMARILY rewarding its reps through sales, and FTC let them by with a bit of gray area. Why do you think Herbalife is in so much trouble now? Because they can’t prove they are primarily rewarding its reps through sales, not recruiting.
Primarily citing one’s own experience as “truth” is called anecdotal fallacy.
That’s great son. After going over the compensation plan forming a “view” of the company is only natural. Unless of course you’re just trying to derail a discussion and shift focus onto something else.
1. You’ve been looking at some shonky MLMs then.
2. “Every MLM” is irrelevant. We’re discussing Joy to Live here.
Facts are facts and products become irrelevant in the face of a recruitment driven compensation plan.
You’ll probably have more luck asking about products at some cheerleading Joy to Live affiliate sites. Toodles.
(Ozedit: anymore dummy spits and silly offtopic derailing (discredit the messenger) from you is just going to be marked as spam)
From What I read:
1) Joy to Live is obviously an scheme. It is even more worrisome that there are people spreading information with a solid factual base regarding the supplements, just for the sake of selling an expensive product with so many boundary conditions, that you may easily find at least a bit cheaper in nutrition stores, or order it online.
It reminds me one of the very few things that Isaac Asimov said, that were not mere truisms and falsisms:
“The closer to the truth, the better the lie, and the truth itself, when it can be used, is the best lie.”
2) There is factual information regarding the effectiveness of using supplements based on the Cordyceps sinensis Fungi:
There is no pun intended, nor any intention on forcing the usage of these on anybody’s throats. It is just a matter of finding the real stuff, not just bluffing.
Homeopathy and Science are big words (not speaking about political correctness, just for what they are and mean). Such topics are not matter of mere opinions or Argumentum ad Verecundiam. This is clearly offtopic, so I stay neutral here.
To the author of this article aka .. OZ. You sound like a complete idiot, at least to multi-level marketing companies.
I’ll make this short and sweet. Your comment about getting someone on a $22 a month auto and “on to the next person”, implying being scammed and “you don’t make squat” unless you are on autoship program. What the hell is wrong with that? We all make our own choices.
Plus, I don’t know of any networking that doesn’t require you to be on a monthly autoship (most 5 times $22) in order to be paid compensation.
Your posts lack real facts, logic and obvious research. The representative for JTL clearly has his facts and at least sounds intelligent in his replies to your, what I perceive as, “babbling nonsense.” Enough said.
You don’t see anything wrong with a reliance on the recruitment of new affiliates and signing them on autoship to generate commissions?
If I may, here’s what the FTC say about that (which I wholly agree with):
Well then clearly you haven’t looked beyond recruitment dependent pyramid schemes. What a shame, there’s so much more to the MLM industry.
I’ve been in network marketing for 20 years and seen a lot of plans similar to this, yet all you see is red flags. It sounds like you are just anti-network marketing and have a burr under your blanket.
The different enrollment levels involves more products purchased, not recruiting. So commissions are paid on product purchased not on enrollment, and that’s a red flag to you? You might look for another line of work.
After all the discussion, I’m now interested in Joy to Live.
“Enrollment levels” = recruiting. Yeah your recruits purchase product, but you still have to recruit people to get paid, which is what you’re really getting paid on.
Best of luck. Let’s hope you focus on retail and not solely on “enrolling” people.
Everything is not a perfect world! Most so called companies are in it for one reason, and that’s to make money. Just to me what business is it out there that’s strictly about helping others?
Even our own Government practice techniques that are far worst then what companies like Joy to Live does!!! And no I’m not a member with them! But maybe later on!!! LOL enjoy.
On my last comment I posted! I would like to know why do you go on the internet searching for these work from home biz if you think that there all scams? Just avoid them altogether…
So? That’s doesn’t justify a recruitment-driven MLM business model.
So? That’s doesn’t justify a recruitment-driven MLM business model.
What other businesses do has no relevance here.
What your own government does or doesn’t do has no relevance here. Nor does it justify the running of a recruitment-driven MLM business model.
It is only through analysis that the legitimacy of an MLM business model can be determined. On BehindMLM this analysis is provided openly, with the resulting discussion on particular models and companies often far extending what was initially intended.
“Just avoid them altogether”…. right, so uh where do you buy your crystal balls from?
No! I don’t have a crystal ball. And basically I can’t change any of the people that joins these MLM program. Is that what you’re trying to do?
Oz, I would like to know have you falling as a victim to these MLM offer’s?
If so by all means I’m not defending them. I just believe that all of them are not bad! Its just some of the people that gets involved in them that makes them either good or bad.
If so many people is calling these MLM programs or companies an illegal pyramid scheme. Then go to the proper authorities and make a complaint and shut them down!
Or continue to talk on deaf hears, because in reality their still doing what their doing!!!!
No, here you’ll only find information. What you do is up to you.
That’s a cop out, business models make companies “bad”.
Affiliates are only able to do what a company permits them to via their compensation plan.
So what does that have to do with this blog?
So you think you local sports team sucks. Do you picket the team owner’s home or the sports league office?
If you won’t do it to your sports team, why would you advocate doing the same to a business?
Oz, I understand your points of view. I was recently a member of SFI which is an MLM outfit that is free to join yet, is just as bad as most MLMs, however some regulation may be needed to curtail promises of wealth and a look into claims by users of products is needed to be done by 3rd parties.
If this is done, the products that work may actually be saved and the system of marketing be reformed for the good of the public.
What is annoying is that many of us are being ripped off even though we know MLM does not work.
Is this for real?
One of the major points I emphasize with Joy To Live is its realistic ability to RETAIL their products, unlike most other nutritional companies with prices not realistic to sell to the real retail marketplace.
On the other hand, I can buy JTL’s products for $12.50 each wholesale, and sell them at $29 each, and make a healthy retail profit, selling at a very fair price.
Their whole pricing model is to incentivize and ENCOURAGE retailing. I could build a great retail business alone, without recruiting a soul.
JTL directly addresses the problem most network marketers experience in selling their products, and that is, “Your price is too high.”
So this review is very unreal to me. It’s not my experience at all with JTL.
I work for a famous coffee company that starts with an “S”.
I work in a small distribution center for them. We have 45 guys that are on forklifts and unload containers coming in from the port(I’m one of them). We have 6 lead operators. We have 3 supervisors that supervise the 45. We have 1 Operation Manager over the whole thing. then he has a boss and the last time I check there was only one CEO?
The 6 lead operators make more than the 45 forklift operators.
The 3 supervisors make more than the 6 leads and the one operation mananger makes more than the 3 supervisors. The area manager makes more than the operations manager….etc
You get it? And you are concerned about an opportunity where just maybe I can make more money.
Life is a pyramid!
Your definition of a pyramid scheme is massively flawed.
I hope you have better business sense than your inherent lack of a grasp on the English language.
A man I’d helped paid for my “membership” by ordering a box of coffee sachets. He did this as his way of saying thank you.
Normally, I can’t drink coffee because it irritates my stomach.
But I can drink their coffee without any problem. Hopefuly it’s doing something good for my health as well. It tastes so good I ordered two more boxes and a bottle of Fulvia for about $17 per item.
I don’t see a problem with the company or its products. The prices are competitive with grocery store coffees that are individually wrapped. I like that.
Offering their coffee that way makes it look to me like the company is retailing directly to me via mail order.
So instead of simply GIVING you the box of coffee and say “here’s the URL if you want to order more”, he signed you up as a downline, by footing the enrollment kit himself?
That ain’t retail.
If you buy a gift for someone and give it to them, what is that? Dan ordered the product for $33 using his credit card with my address as the shipping address so that he could give the coffee to me. Since he lives in Oregon and I live in Florida, Dan couldn’t physically hand me the coffee.
He could have ordered in his own name for $22 (or less if he’d ordered multiple units) but Dan did not do that. Part of his gift was the membership.
There is no enrollment kit.
In any case, if I’m the end user, that’s retail.
A gift. And if you’re an affiliate, it’s an affiliate purchase, irrespective of who the product is given to.
Gift != product sale.
If Dan is an affiliate, affiliate funds went into the company.
He doesn’t have to. You order as a customer and JTL ship the product to wherever you are.
That’s how normal retail in MLM works. You sound like you’re talking about purchasing to meet commission qualification criteria, and shipping to a third-party as a means of attempted pseudo-compliance.
A retail sale needs a retail customer to pay for product. Affiliates purchasing product is not retail under any circumstances.
The problem here is you are talking mutually contradictory terms. You say there’s membership, but there’s no enrollment kit. Actually there is: except he filled it out for you, and he paid the enrollment fee too, and the coffee that arrived at your door is the enrollment kit.
Let me guess, you’re also enrolled in autoship?
You don’t even know if you’re IN the company (as affiliate) or outside (as a customer). The rules are VERY VERY different depending on you’re inside or outside, both for you, and for the company.
This is the sort of gray area that attracts regulatory attention
IMHO that *some* reasonable amount of self-consumption is allowed, but that makes the company shady as that blurs the dividing line between affiliate and customer.
Self consumption is fine, but passing it off as retail isn’t.
I’ve been reading this, and I will now put my 2 cents in.
I’m an affiliate of Joy to Live, I have bought the products BOTH to consume AND to retail. I decided to get involved as an Affiliate, because I can attest to the fact that the products DO INDEED WORK, and I as well as NUMEROUS others have testimonies to this fact.
I would be happy to elaborate on exactly what the products have done for my health if anyone wants to know.
There is NO AUTOSHIP REQUIREMENT as you mention…Yes, you do have to make a purchase to qualify for any commissions from the matrix pay plan, BUT you DO NOT HAVE TO RECRUIT TO EARN from the Matrix, all you have to do is maintain your position in the matrix with you monthly purchase of just 1 product for $22…And THIS is NOT the only way to earn here.
As someone else already pointed out, we can buy product Wholesale and sell retail directly (Which I have done By the way)…OR, we can refer people to our duplicated websites and they can make a retail purchase WITHOUT BEING “RECRUITED” INTO THE COMPANY….Affiliates do NOT have to make a product purchase in order to earn the commission on the retail sale.
But why would anyone want to pay the retail price (which is very well worth it, I might add), when if they come in as an affiliate, they can order their product monthly for the low price of $22 a month??
And I’ll ask the same question as someone else did before…What’s wrong with this? And why would anyone consider this a scheme, when in the end it’s getting the Products out there into the hands of those who could really use them to better their health? You’re calling this a scheme? Where’s the “evil” here that you seem to be spouting off about?
I know of MANY people who are not in it just to make money…they like the products and like they can get them at the discounted affiliate price and so they keep buying month after month for this reason.
So, where’s the “scam”, if they are getting a valuable product for their monthly $22 purchase? How is this a scam or a scheme??
You purchasing products as an affiliate and then reselling them is not retail for the company, anymoreso than a McDonalds employee buying a bigmac and reselling it to some guy on the street is a retail sale for McDonalds.
Affiliate money used to purchase the product = affiliate revenue.
I’ll just leave that as is…
Whether you have to recruit or someone else does is irrelevant.
Recruitment is required or the matrix doesn’t work.
See first point. That’s not retail.
If an MLM opportunity is marketing a product that is unattractive at a retail level, it’s up to them to change that.
Only in pyramid schemes can you get away with marketing an overpriced products and services with no retail viability and still remain in business.
Affiliate purchases != retail sales, irrespective of what they do with the product.
An MLM company has to be able to show demonstratable retail activity taking place within the company itself (money flowing into the company). What happens externally is irrelevant.
I have enrolled in the joy to live opportunity as an affiliate and I have not recruited any one I think it is a good plan you can do it as business or you can just get your products at a discount it is good product.
I have tried the coffe I had severe sinus problems during the winter season but I drank the coffee took the fulvia and the ionic sylver plus the aerobia and my problems have subsided.
I would continue buying the products but I lost my job so I am unable to buy them but they are God sent. I love the products most vitamins at retail store are about he same price.
Also the gourmet coffee sold at stores are 6 dollars for six packets and they don’t have the ingredients that the lejoyva coffe does anyone can say whatever they want but the products to me are great and I hope this year I am able to buy them all.
^^ Sounds like you should be a wholesale customer then.
Hey Margarita! Since you lost your job, maybe you can use your experience with the products to become a marketing rep.
You don’t have to purchase anything to start, since you are out of pocket. Just share your referral link to those who may benefit and if they purchase the product you can earn commissions on the retail sales.
Consider it as using JTL as your inventory and shipping provider. They don’t even need to signup as affiliates to purchase. Business is business.
Have you seen johns latest Ponzi. He is selling Crypto BUT the all the money he brought in is gone.
He went from simple MLM scammer, to big money stealer.
He raised $685,000 in 6 months of 2021 and spent it all. Now that is plain dumb.