FGXpress Review: “Pay to play” & autoship concerns
According to the company’s Twitter account, FGXpress are set to launch in March of 2014. That said the company already appears to have prelaunched, with a fully operational website online and several uploaded testimonials.
On the FGXpress website, the company advises that it is ‘powered by ForeverGreen‘. ForeverGreen is an MLM company that was launched in 2004 and is headed up by Founder and CEO Ron Williams.
FGXpress appears to be a child company of the parent ForeverGreen MLM business opportunity, with the FGXpress Terms and Conditions stating that FGXpress is ‘a division of ForeverGreen International, LLC‘.
Why ForeverGreen have chosen to launch a new division rather than integrate FGXpress’ product line into their existing opportunity however is not clarified.
All FGXpress company information presented on their website, including that of the executive management, has been copy and pasted directly from the ForeverGreen website.
Read on for a full review of the FGXpress MLM business opportunity.
The FGXpress Product Line
FGXpress’ flagship product is what they call “PowerStrips”.
PowerStrips are a patented fusion of modern energy and ancient herbs. Everyone and every part of the body needs energy. PowerStrips, worn daily, bring energy to those parts of the body that need it.
Unfortunately whether or not FGXpress’ PowerStrips are available at a retail level or what they cost is unclear. I clicked the “buy now” button on the FGXpress website and the company demanded to know my “Distributor ID” before I was allowed to purchase anything:
Not having an FGXpress Distributor ID and just wishing to see the retail price for the PowerStrips, naturally I was unable to proceed any further.
The FGXpress Compensation Plan
The FGXpress compensation plan offers affiliates a series of bonuses backed by a residual binary compensation structure.
FGXpress Affiliate Membership Ranks
There are eight affiliate membership ranks within the FGXpress compensation plan and, along with their respective qualification criteria, they are as follows:
- 1 Star – must generate at least 50 PV a week in sales and generate at least 500 weekly GV in your weaker binary team
- 2 Star – must generate at least 50 PV a week in sales, have personally recruited at least two 1 Star or higher affiliates and generate at least 3000 weekly GV in your weaker binary team
- 3 Star – must generate at least 50 PV a week in sales, have personally recruited at least three 1 Star or higher affiliates and generate at least 6000 weekly GV in your weaker binary team
- 4 Star – must generate at least 50 PV a week in sales, have personally recruited at least four 1 Star or higher affiliates and generate at least 15,000 weekly GV in your weaker binary team
- 5 Star – must generate at least 50 PV a week in sales, have personally recruited at least five 1 Star or higher affiliates and generate at least 30,000 weekly GV in your weaker binary team
- 6 Star – must generate at least 50 PV a week in sales, have personally recruited at least six 1 Star or higher affiliates (of which at least two must be 2 Star or higher) and generate at least 50,000 weekly GV in your weaker binary team
- 7 Star – must generate at least 50 PV a week in sales, have personally recruited at least seven 1 Star or higher affiliates (of which at least three must be 3 Star or higher) and generate at least 150,000 weekly GV in your weaker binary team
- All Star – must generate at least 50 PV a week in sales, have personally recruited at least eight 1 Star or higher affiliates (of which at least four must be 4 Star or higher) and generate at least 250,000 weekly GV in your weaker binary team
Rank Advancement Bonus
Upon qualifying at the 3 Star or higher FGXpress affiliate ranks, affiliate receive a one-time Rank Advancement Bonus as follows:
- 3 Star – $500
- 4 Star – $1000
- 5 Star – $2000 paid out over 2 months
- 6 Star – $5000 paid out over 4 months
- 7 Star – $10,000 paid out over 4 months
- All Star – $25,000 paid out over 5 months
FGXpress’ XTribe XBonus pays out affiliates when they recruit new affiliates and generate a team volume of over 1000 points within 4 weeks.
Your goal is to invite at least 4 people in your ﬁrst month of business to start forming your XTribe. An XTribe is formed with the people you invite and the people they invite.
There doesn’t appear to be any specific downline structure required to qualify for the XTribe XBonus, other than the recruited downline generating at least 1000 points of sales volume over a 4 week period.
Once this volume qualification criteria is met, an affiliate is paid the XTribe XBonus. How much an affiliate is paid depends on how many “packs” they have purchased:
- 1 pack ($6o) – $100 commission
- 2 packs ($120) – $200 commission
Note that packs referred to above appear to be packs of the FGXpress’ PowerStrip product, which affiliates buy for $60 (1 pack) or $120 (2 packs).
Fast Start Bonus
The Fast Start Bonus is a 25% commission paid out to FGXpress affiliates whenever a newly recruited affiliate makes their first order.
Residual commissions in FGXpress are paid out using a binary compensation structure. A binary compensation structure places an affiliate at the top of a binary team, with two positions directly under them.
These two positions form the start of two binary teams, left and right, which are filled via the recruitment of new affiliates. As newly recruited affiliates are added to both binary teams, their sales volume is counted towards the original affiliates binary volume.
The left and right team volume is counted individually, with commissions paid out on the weaker leg’s sales volume. Note that an affiliate must personally recruit two new affiliates (one on each side) and a minimum of 500 Group Volume (GV) must be generated by the weaker team before an affiliate can qualify binary commissions.
How much of a commission is paid out depends on how much an affiliate spends with FGXpress each month.
With a 50 point (1 Pack) purchase every 4 weeks you are eligible for 8% Team Bonus on your small leg’s volume weekly.
With a 100 point (2 Packs) purchase every 4 weeks you are eligible for a 12% Team Bonus on your small leg’s volume weekly.
Volume from the weaker team is matched against the stronger team, with excess volume from the stronger team is carried over to the next pay period (week).
Binary Matching Bonus
A Matching Bonus on binary commissions is available to 2 Star and higher ranked FGXpress affiliates, payable down four levels of recruitment.
- 2 Star – 25% on level 1
- 3 Star – 50% on level 1 and 10% on level 2
- 4 Star – 50% on level 1 and 10% on levels 2 and 3
- 5 Star – 50% on level 1 and 10% on levels 2 to 4
- 6 Star – 50% on level 1, 15% on level 2 and 10% on levels 3 and 4
- 7 Star – 50% on level 1, 25% on level 2 and 10% on levels 3 and 4
- All Star – 50% on level 1, 25% on level 2, 15% on level 3 and 10% on level 4
Note that the above percentage are quoted in the FGXpress compensation plan, however the company advises
The FG Xpress comp plan guarantees a 62% payout of business volume. The Enroller Matching Bonus is paid weekly and is based on a ﬂoating percentage.
The percentage is determined after the rest of the commissions have been calculated.
The Binary Matching Bonus is a weekly commission, paid out in addition to an affiliate’s own residual binary commissions.
As per the FGXpress website, affiliate membership is $12 however it appears it can only be purchased via one of five “packs”:
- Single Pack – $86.90
- Double Pack – $161.80
- Lateral Transfer Pack – $531.55
- Lateral Transfer Benefit Pack – $1007
- Lateral Transfer Perfect Pack – $1462
Whereas ForeverGreen’s launch of FGXpress might be explained by the company wishing to try a binary-based compensation plan over a unilevel, as with ForeverGreen I’m still having trouble seeing the retail viability.
With ForeverGreen retail volume is paid out directly via the Professional Bonus, on condition an affiliate generates at least 300 BV in a month.
With FGXpress there appears to be no direct retail commission, with volume simply rolled into the binary.
This is problematic as FGXpress’ compensation plan is has some serious “pay to play” issues.
These issues start with the packs affiliates are required to purchase to join FGXpress, with the purchase of the Lateral Transfer Pack, Lateral Transfer Benefit Pack and Lateral Transfer Perfect Pack all promoting an affiliate to a ‘virtual 3 Star Leader for 6 months‘.
This promotion is awarded based on nothing more than affiliate paying more upon joining the company.
Then there’s the XTribe XBonus where how much an affiliate spends is directly tied into how much they earn, be it $100 if they spend $60 or $200 if they spend $120.
Granted the spend is on the company’s PowerStrip product but the way the commission is paid out calls into question the motivation behind the product purchase. Are affiliate buying the products out of a genuine need or just to qualify for a higher rate of commission from their recruited downline?
This “pay to play” concern continues on into the binary commissions, with once again how much an affiliate spends dictates the percentage of a commission they earn off their downline’s sales volume. 8% if they spend $60 and 12% if they spend $120.
Typically even a single pay to play element is enough to raise a serious red flag yet here with FGXpress there are evidently three core components of the compensation plan where an affiliate’s own spend dictates how much they earn.
This culture, which crops up right at the beginning when a prospective affiliate considers which pack to buy when signing up is then magnified by the XTribe XBonus. The XTribe XBonus directly rewards an affiliate for building a downline, which in itself is fine but does so at the expense of a plan that already has no evident focus on retail sales.
Your goal is to invite at least 4 people in your ﬁrst month of business to start forming your XTribe. An XTribe is formed with the people you invite and the people they invite.
As the above copy from the FGXpress compensation plan explains, the underlying focus of the opportunity is to sign up new affiliates in little XTribes and convincing them to recruit their own XTribes.
Put all of this together and like I said earlier, I’m having a hard time seeing how retail activity is going to be generated in a plan that so heavily favours the recruitment of new affiliates on a $60 to $120 a month product spend.
Try as they might (or evidently not at all), ForeverGreen don’t quite seem to be able to grasp the importance of a solid retail foundation for a viable MLM income opportunity.
“Ancient herbs” is codeword for “snake oil”.
Actually there is no retail price, it’s a wholesale purchase by paying a $12.00 one time fee with first purchase.
You can purchase as little as one pack of 15 strips getting 3 extra first time, cost is $59.95 plus $12.00 plus $4.95 shipping anywhere in the world.
Its one product, one price anywhere in the world. In 190 countries. Easy to share, and the results are astounding, everyone I signed up are using the, because they are also very healthy to wear, beyond the results.
All we do is ask if you know anyone with pain and its amazing how many know someone. everyone does.
Each person that buys is a customer and by sharing and letting those you share with order, and as result being on Autoship, people can easily earn the cost of their strips.
Call them a distributor or whatever you want.
Obviously I decided to share and help a ton of people, as a result the financial rewards are great.
Its the best product, bar none, I have seen in 20 years, it helps me and my husband and my daughters with pain relief from Back Pain to shoulder pain, to migraines, to cramps, to leg pain.
We are thrilled. We enrolled for the Lateral in April because I wanted a ton of strips to give away to help people in pain, whats happened as a result is hundreds have joined us, because they love the product, not one has enrolled just to make money, they all tried the product first.
It started for me for hip pain relief, the very next day I gave one to my friend Bob who has had relief from Chronic 8 yrs of back pain on serious meds, since Easter Weekend Watch Bob here:
So ForeverGreen have totally abandoned retail with FGXpress?
Can you tell something about the marketing methods? Not in details, I’m only trying to identify the TYPICAL method and the TYPICAL customer.¨
You buy a “Distributor kit” (“Lateral” packs) = SAMPLES (in aluminium envelopes) of the product to give away for free, along with some printed marketing material (1 or 2 “postcards”), stuffed inside a printed “marketing envelope” you can deliver directly face to face, or you can put it into an outer envelope and send it in the mail?
A marketing method like that is “product oriented”, normally the opposite of “opportunity oriented”.
The compensation plan seems to be heavily focused on recruitment, but the marketing methods seems to be focused on products.
A problem with SAMPLE method (for you as a sales person), when the samples are inexpensive and the products are expensive, people interested in the products can simply order samples for their own personal use rather than products (and drop out of the autoship agreement).
Buying samples for personal use is slightly irrational because of the other content of the packages (marketing material = post cards and envelopes), but paying over price for similar products is even more irrational. If the samples do the job, people can use them rather than the products.
If I have interpreted it correctly, “Single” and “Double” must have been designed for autoship purposes, while the 3 different “Lateral” packs have been designed for marketing purposes (people will normally not accept prices like that on a monthly basis).
The products seems to be VERY expensive, compared to the samples.
So can you show any studies or any active ingredients that achieved such unheard breakthrough in “medicine”. Because otherwise it is still a snake oil.
Oh my, they really should not say something like this without FDA approval. Also they emphasize “patented” so there should be a patent number. Otherwise, it is a bull.
Wah, wah, wah….
The question here is not in the effectiveness of Panax Ginseng. It’s about the power strip product as a whole.
They DO have FDA approval. The product is listed as a Class 1 Medical Device for pain relief.
Obviously, promoting it for treatment of anything else is totally questionable. However, most of the distributors I see are marketing it as good for pain.
Regarding the comp plan and retail/wholesale…I agree! It never made sense to me, considering the distributors are taught to market with product first.
I agree with Oz that the higher price packages could bring into some question about who would pay that much.
On the other hand, I see the viability from the standpoint that people are taught to send out samples of 3 strips to their contacts in order to kick-start their marketing.
All in all, there are definitely questions to be answered. The company is still in pre-launch until February….so we shall see.
Funny thing is… FDA does NOT approve compounded drugs. And from your implication: power strip as a whole (not just panax ginseng, one of the ingredients), power strip is a compounded drug, right?
What name is it under? I am NOT finding anything on PowerStrip or “Forever Green”
Turns out that’s copied from WebMD. And it’s more like “attempted”.
What’s *really funny* is the ONLY mention in WebMD about the TOPICAL use of panax ginseng is prevent premature ejaculation.
There is NO mention of panax ginseng for pain relief AT ALL.
@k. Chang…….forever green is a publicly traded company. I doubt they would claim FDA approval unless they had it
When a Inc Fastest Growing 500 company can be declared a pyramid scheme (see: Equinox) it’s better NOT to assume anything.
They are over the counter (OTC) traded company. This market is famous for pump and dump schemes. I am not alleging this, but there definitely no oversight on OTC market.
Rally? So they are covered as pain relief Device by insurance companies and Medicare? Think before you speak. FDA never approved any MLM product ever for medical use. At best FDA can say that MLM product is harmless for consumption and transport.
A band aid coated with mayonnaise and ketchup could be listed as a Class I medical device.
Spot the odd one out:
Tongue depressors, elastic bandages, examination gloves, hand held surgical instruments, PowerStrips
Here is the straight of a whole lot of mumbo jumbo thats been mis stated here; The entire concept is set up on a NFR (Not For Resale) basis thats how they can distribute to anywhere in the world. So you purposely can not retail or resale the Powerstrips thus is creates a great wholesale customer membership base when others come on board.
The FDA doesn’t approve anything that’s not a prescription drug therefore the the Powerstrips are not FDA approved but they have received (for the first time ever in MLM history) a class one medical device certification as proven to relieve pain.
This was received do to the Mobile Far-infarred technology in the strips that creates heat. Yes insurances that cover class one medical devices will cover the powerstrips along with most cafeteria plans and HSAs.
So let’s review… You have an all-natural pain patch that has been certified as proven to temporarily relief pain plus has added nutritional benefits received transdermaly (which science is proving to be one of the most effective delivery systems).
You can share them with anyone on the planet that has a physical mailing address to ship them to. They can then choose to buy direct from the company at wholesale for a membership that costs $12 (that breaks down to $1 a month) as often as they want, as many as they want.
BTW the larger lateral transfer packs were designed for those living in areas that take some time to ship to from the US thus giving them a quantity of product on hand so they don’t have the wait time of ordering often. Plus there’s an opportunity to earn stock in FGXpress when participating in one of the 3 larger packages.
So what I see is a perfect storm… New category starter for the industry, able to share in 190 countries, FDA certification on the product and several big players that have previously built billion dollar companies sitting on the executive board with a ground floor opportunity that has the stability of a 10 year old company and YES is publicly traded!
People if you aren’t able to see the opportunity at hand maybe you are in the wrong business! Seriously, I have been blessed to be a Million dollar income earner in the industry and I came out of retirement as to not miss this ship!!!
PS. you do not need an ID# to order. see how you simply click the buy now button and you’re ready to purchase. (Ozedit: spam removed)
(Ozedit: Spam removed. If you want to link to specific information by all means do so and quote it. Do not simply provide a link to a website)
It’s an MLM company with an MLM compensation plan that you just confirmed yet again has no retail.
It’s bad enough when MLM companies have a retail option and fail to generate any retail sales, with FGXpress it’s not even possible to generate retail commissions.
As per the included screenshot, there is no buy now button on the FGXpress website, just a form that demands you login as a distributor.
This sounds ominously like “Omnitrition”… as in Webster vs. Omnitrition case.
Perhaps head of company need to consult a MLM comp plan specialist… “NFR” means “no retail”, and that’s a giant NO-NO in MLM. Because nothing is being sold, all revenue is generated from new members joining.
You paid to join (bought a kit/pack/whatever), and you are getting paid when you get more people to also join (bought kit/pack/whatever). That is a pyramid scheme.
You’re probably going to insist that packs are “sold” to members. Matter of fact is you get paid whether whoever you recruited used the packs or not. The packs are irrelevant.
I’m still waiting for the citation… What name and company was it approved under and all that. I can’t find it. And I did look, various spellings with and without space, and all that.
K. Chang #20 here is the Public Press release July 11, 2013
Oz #19 You can not buy direct from the company website just like most all MLM companies. You must purchase your wholesale membership through an existing members replicated site.Thus giving you your own replicated website from FG Xpress.
I tried to post and example but this site edited my comment. so try this: (Ozedit: spam removed). There is definitely product being sold.
If you are seriously wanting answers to your questions contact me and I will connect you with the President of the company and you can learn for yourself the alignment in place to make this a very successful company.
There really is no need to ‘MLM Bible Bash’ with you or any of the other nay sayers here on this forum. Hide out on the side lines and watch the huge success taking place. Be Well…
Nice try. Nobody said anything about buying from the company. When you try to enter the store it doesn’t ask for someone else’s affiliate login (for tracking), it asks visitors for their distributor login.
The hell does a retail customer need a Distributor ID for?
Retail customers don’t participate in the compensation plan. There’s no reason for a retail customer to get a replicated website. Fail.
Please don’t try and post your affiliate store again. It’s bad enough you’re using it to comment with.
Please leave the MLM marketing 101 book at the door while you’re at it too.
Confirm/deny: FGXpress has no retail offering.
And searching FDA medical devices database brings up nothing. I’ve tried ForeverGreen, FGX, PowerStrip, etc.
You try it, when you find it, let us all know.
Sigh! What is the point of all of this? I understand and appreciate the writer’s article and I am respectful of his / her point of view. I can even appreciate the “curiosity”. However you lost me after that.
I keep asking what is the point. Is there a concern for public safety; the belief that the Power Strips will cause someone harm? Is it the lack of disclosure on the part of the company? Is it the inability to buy online at a retail level?
What is the problem exactly. And why take such a negative stance (when admittedly you do not have all the answers)? Not having the answers does not automatically make the product / business suspicious.
…And for all you FGXpress distributors, who are so valiantly trying to defend the product / company, please stop. There is much that you do not know, and regurgitating the company rhetoric makes you look ignorant and uninformed.
The information you have access to is limited at best. It is referred to as “prepared marketing”. You are given this information for a purpose, do not assume it is 100 percent fact based; often it is not.
For the record I am not a distributor, but I was given some Power Strips samples to try. My conclusion: the product proved to be 65 to 70 percent effective for my pain issues. For me this is very encouraging. My result is strictly anecdotal, and I understand there are those who may be skeptical…and I respect that.
I came across this site while researching FGXpress. I am considering becoming a distributor to see where it leads. I thoroughly researched the listed ingredients; although I am more concerned about the possibility of any “unlisted” ingredients.
My spouse holds degrees in biology and chemistry so believe me when I tell you I live with the skeptic’s skeptic; and have been thoroughly interrogated about my experience with the Power Strips and the possibility of a placebo effect. I stand by my personal experience.
I have been involved in MLMs in the past and have a created few ground rules that seem to work for me. [Financially] I will not invest what I cannot afford to lose. I do not rely on hype and the false promises of others to determine my level of success. I will rely on the company to disclose truthful information…within reason.
I am not naive enough to believe that ANY company willingly discloses undesirable facts regarding their products. FDA approval means very little to me as they have also approved many pharmaceuticals that have turned out to be harmful or deadly.
The FGXpress Power Strips and subsequent business opportunity is like any other “buyer beware” concept…”you pays your money you takes your chances”.
*For the record, I’ve said my piece and I’m finished with this topic. There will be no additional comments or responses.
So I’m guessing you didn’t even bother to read the title of the article you’re responding to then… “FGXpress Review”.
Obvious is obvious?
Not addressing the business model, you seem to have solely focused on the product. I can only suggest you take the business opportunity in as a whole before drawing any conclusions about FGXpress either way.
You know Oz, I’ve grown to respect you over the years, however – I have to disagree with you about Fg Express. I mean you’re way off with this one buddy.
For the sake of not sounding bias (as I’m obviously promoting Fg Xpress), I’ll leave it at that.
All the best,
There’s nothing bias about stating why I’m “way off”. Unless of course you’re inferring bias towards FGXpress is required to see it that way, as opposed to analysis of the business model.
Much better than a “ur wrong but I can’t tell you why” comment to drop a youtube link.
All of the above, actually.
Powerstrip may be an unapproved medicine claim to offer pain relief when it doesn’t, or claim to do more than it does.
Lack of disclosure can be signs of deliberate attempt to obfuscate / neglect to mention / willful blindness.
Inability to buy at retail by itself is not a sign of illegalness, but lack of ANY retail sales is a sign of a pyramid scheme.
Yet you can’t name why? It’s just some vague feeling in the back of your head, gnawing at you?
Maybe there’s something wrong with FGXpress that you refuse to acknowledge.
And I’m STILL waiting for someone to dig up that FDA approval. As I said, I can’t find it. And I really did look.
Then you probably know how we analyse things here, and can probably use it for “training purposes” or some other practical use?
I have only 1 post in this thread, post #4 where I tried to ask Mary about more details about something. I had watched one of Mary’s training videos, and had noticed that it was heavily focused on giving away free samples of the product.
You should read post #4. What I was trying to find out there was probably “does people use the samples as products?”.
Giving away free samples is product oriented, an attempt to sell products more than an attempt to sell an opportunity. Samples don’t have any function if you SOLELY are trying to sell the opportunity itself.
If people actually are using the products, then even the samples will have some useable value e.g. for a failed distributor. It was something like that I tried to analyse in post #4 (but I don’t remember all the details).
The samples seemed to be rather inexpensive / affordable, but the products seemed to be very expensive. It gave me the impression that FG Express has a price policy that primarily will result in sale of distributor kits.
I didn’t get the answers I needed there to analyse it, and now I have forgot most of it anyway. But I seriously tried to look at it from a product oriented viewpoint.
“TRAINING PURPOSES” OR OTHER PRACTICAL USE
In most opportunities, the people who really ARE interested will join anyway, they will normally not be affected by other types of information than the type they’re interested in. They have already decided what they WANT to find. We can’t affect that group.
In the middle, you have a group of people who CAN be affected by information. They have not decided anything yet, they want more information before they will make a decision. We will give them that, and so should you do. Both we and you can potentially affect some of them.
The third group will knowingly or unknowingly be looking for excuses for why they shouldn’t join something / buy something. They will probably find some arguments here. They have already decided that they don’t want to join, and you can’t affect that.
It’s nearly as simple as that, but you also have all the individual differences, and that’s where the trouble begins. Some will ask difficult questions, some will confront you, some will potentially blame you, etc.
That’s where the idea of “training purposes” comes in. In business (sale), we simply NEED some training from time to time. Normally it will be about how to handle ALL the different groups and ALL the different individuals – and all the different reviews and all the different comments.
As far as I can see, this review has already offered you valuable training. You handled it well.
The Powerstrips are not approved or cleared. They are what is referred to as listed. Takes paperwork and fees to accomplish. No proof of efficacy is substantiated by the FDA regarding Class 1 Medical devices. Same class as band aids and gauze pads.
Those reps using the term approved or cleared are in violation of the allowable verbiage. Forevergreen has already issued an official warning against doing so.
I’m neither for or against the company. Don’t have any details. I think there is validity in the “bonus buying” interpretation of some of the comp plan stuff – though they are easily fixed with a simple retail cart, “no requirement to buy product” term in the policies and customer BV counts as Distributor center BV – and people will still buy the packs and set up their own autoship because that the easy way to go which most humans do as a course of behavior.
So it makes sense to do this during pre-launch and then to create everyone on autoship volume momentum and then clean it up before you get too big – after all, there is no NWM police other than Oz, so without AG complaint – which won’t happen while they are still this new – it’s a brilliant way to start.
But I have to say that I think the K. Chang guy is a friggin’ moron. Admittedly, he posted the link to the FDA site in October stating he couldn’t find anything and asking others to do so regarding the FDA listing as a Class 1 Medical Device and it may not actually have been listed on the site yet at that time.
And given the complete head up their a– bureaucracy of our federal goverment, the listing could have been issued MONTHS before and they hadn’t yet updated their own site…
But K.Chang also restated the same inability to find anything as recently as January 11:
So i just clicked the link he provided back in October that as recently as a couple weeks ago, he couldn’t figure out:
And in the upper right hand corner of the home page is a search box. I typed in “powerstrips” and voila!
So K. Chang – please stop harping on this and update your research. Or stop being a research moron – it’s embarrassing to those who actually DO some research. I spoke with a distributor who says they they know it’s been there since at least November 11th since that’s when they joined and they looked it up that day…
And Oz, if they change their model similar to what I pondered above during their official launch phase, do you think that answers most of your concerns?
Finally, to the folks who think they are too expensive, any significant evaluation by simply talking to reps will yield the info that the reason there are 15 strips in the pack is that they can last for 48 hours – therefore a 30 days supply to address a particular issue (though you can actually have them go MUCH further, because again, with ANY research instead of just talking out your a–, you can also use scissors and trim them into smaller size for smaller areas and one pack could last for 2 months.
Compared to grocery store stuff like Icy Hot patches which last 6-8 hours, the $5 per strip at full pricing including shipping on a time basis kicks the grocery store pricing per hour’s butt. And at the discounted powerstrip pricing for multiple packs, it tears the grocery store stuff to shreds. And that crap DOESN’T have an FDA medical device listing…
Again, I’m a user of the product (bought from a distributor friend) who doesn’t care one way or the other about the company or it’s policies – I use the stuff because it WORKS amazingly and just wanted to explain how easy it is to find the info if you really want to and how simple it would be to fix the “earth shattering” hysterical concerns of the “pundits” who create all this drama – not that the company will, but it’s so “5-minute” simple a fix, it’s just not that big a deal.
(After all, as a public company that is obviously headed off the OTC and for the big boards as any idiot could see who tracked their stock price recently would see, they will certainly fix it when the golden goose gets too valuable to run loose like they are at first – so chill gang – it will self correct.)
But as long as I can get my strips, all is good in the world…
Yeah… except the “clean it up” part never happens.
Bait and switch in MLM never works. Nor does it fend off the regulators if they come knocking.
Starting off your MLM opportunity with a pay-to-play model that effectively forces everyone into autoship is a terrible way to run an MLM opportunity. All it does is encourage inventory loading.
5 minutes to scrap the business model they’ve been signing up affiliates under since launch and come up with something new? Right.
Interesting, it seems somehow AdBlock had blocked access to search, which makes no sense. I turned off AdBlock, and did find a registration number, which lead to:
In other words, FDA did NOT approve this product. Because it’s exempt. Claiming FDA approval is bogus. It’s “FDA registered”.
You should, since for you to keep getting it, the company needs to stay legal.
There is a long history of the patch companies and the resulting issues with health claims. Eventually, they close down. This is no exception.
I love the pitch that they can sell in 190 countries worldwide. Either, they are are clueless or just don’t give a damn that they need to get their products approved in most of these countries or they will be shut down and permanently banned not to mention the insuing legal action.
As the guy who really ignited the fuse that eventually took down Zeek Rewards, any would be distributors here would be wise to pay attention to your warning. But you know what they say, “for every ass there is a seat.”
@Richard-good point regarding the issue with patches and the legal challenges they have faced in the past. Usually sooner or later the FDA comes knocking, especially when you have distributors running around claiming “FDA approval.”
Regarding your 190 countries comment, another great point. A number of countries in Europe and Africa require product approvals from their FDA’s in order to promote the product in their country.
I am seeing these same types of “we’re in 190 countries” comments coming from people in Brain Abundance. Doing NFR to 190 countries is not the same thing as legally operating as a network marketing company and being compliant in 190 countries!
Is it really legal to run an MLM based on a pay to play system? I always thought it should be open to everyone and shouldn’t be required to purchase product in order to build your network.
It’s in the grey area. One of the criteria for pyramid schemes is that the participants pay something of value to participate in the plan = that they pay for the opportunity itself, DIRECTLY or INDIRECTLY.
But it’s only ONE of the criteria, one out of four.
1. a chain recruitment system
2. where participants “gives consideration” (pay to play)
3. for the opportunity to earn prospected financial gains
4. that derives primarily from other participants
5. rather than from sale/consumption of goods/services.
Criterion 5 is an exemption rule. If the financial gains derives primarily from the sale or consumption of goods or services to real end users at a fair price, the system might be about legitimate trade.
In general, a company or a distributor can’t legally sell an opportunity to earn income. The opportunity itself isn’t a retailable product or service.
An opportunity doesn’t have any retailable value, but it might attract vulnerable groups of people and distort their decisions as consumers = they may buy something they normally wouldn’t have bought if they had been properly informed.
Consumers can be easily misled, e.g. to believe something has a value it doesn’t really have. People can be willing to pay for an opportunity, but the fact that people can be willing to pay doesn’t make it legal or ethical to sell something.
Seems FG Xpress’ everyone’s-a-distributor model is similar to ZR’s in that Zeek Rewards members bought auction bids to give away to prospective new members, and then shared in ZR’s daily profits. Perhaps FG Xpress is hoping that the FTC will look the other way if PowerStrips user testimonials show they’re at least 60% effective for pain relief.
I added some missing details.
Online Ponzi schemes will typically have a reinvestment function for the payouts to the back offices.
Real money comes IN from new investors, in exchange for some non monetary “units” that only can be used inside a system.
The money will end up in a bank account. Only the “units” goes to point B.
The “units” will generate a “profit”,
that can be reinvested in more “units”,
that will generate more “profit”,
that can be reinvested in more “units”,
and so on and so forth.
“units” –> “profit” –> “units” –> “profit” can go on and on almost forever. 🙂
If people want to withdraw some of the “profit”, the money coming IN from new investors in point A can be used to pay money OUT.
–> reduce the “profit” balance
–> generate a real transaction of money
When is someone going to report FGXpress to the customs authorities for shipping their product to hundreds of countries without proper registration within these countries?
The only reason they seem to be getting away with it is that it does not look like a health related product, it looks like an envelope with a greeting card inside. You would think someone would be catching on to this?
Just questioning the legality? Any thoughts?
It’s interesting.. So many different people have different opinions on this product never mind the solar strips (The newest offering).
I guess it all comes down to the bottom line that if your in pain and you don’t have time to go to the doctors, you can’t afford the time of perhaps or maybe you have kids around your ankles (I have 3 boys under 5) then perhaps you can try the pain patches and see if they work..
Now bear in mind if you go to the doctor and he gives you pills for whatever your ‘complaint’ is then they can take several days to start work as is the case with antibiotics etc but the power strips get to work within just 30 mins and the product also comes with a money back guarantee.. so really there is nothing to lose..
If they don’t work for you then send them back for a refund.. Even your doctor will not give such a claim.
Bought dozens of them, tried them on a dozen people and they had zero results. Isn’t it funny how they work so well for those doing the business but not so well who are not?
I wish I could say it was funny but it’s really sad. People spend their hard earned money on this stuff.
Power of the placebo. Dan Ariely, behavior economist, have previously demonstrated that the more expensive the placebo, the better it seems to work.
You decide what that means to you. 🙂
Holy cow! I read through all the comments as I was having my morning tea. What an annoying waste of time to read through all the pompous pontificating from people who obviously do no like MLM. I won’t do it again, nor will I visit this site again.
It does not surprise me that people feel compelled to comment about their company or a product when they have had success. I am an MLM pro, and before you start to slam me, I was business woman of the year, in a country in Europe, so I ain’t no slouch. This was due to my success in MLM, not a 9 to 5.
I am NOT an FGX distributor, However, I did have some pretty dramatic results with the product, as did a friend , who is not an MLMer, but a nurse who has been having shots for her back pain.
Go back and read an earlier post where they said the product is not for resale. This means no retail. duh! Many, many companies do this with their health and wellness products so they can be sold around the world. I am an American who lives in Europe and see this all the time. No big deal, but it answers why there is NO RETAIL price. That is what Not For Resale means, you numpties. I am far too busy to visit this site again, to view any pompous, rude comments someone wants to make to my post, so harangue away, I just won’t see it. Some of you need to get a life, or maybe a job…
Oh and by the way, my brother, the oncologist in the US says the Class 1, is the proper listing for the device, and he loves the product. He has pain from years of marathon running, and mountain climbing. Neither he, nor I are distributors, but he is happy to recommend the product to some of his patients.
(Ozedit: Offtopic derail attempts removed)
You’re advocating MLM companies prohibiting retail with a straight-face?
Was it an award for being the worst business woman of the year?
People trying to make the argument that no retail in an MLM company is perfectly legitimate… Oh dear. Gotta love the “MLM pros”.
Despite your negative and self serving comments FGXpress is exploding worlldwide because our patch works! The patch relieves and actually eliminates pain and it will be used by millions of people worldwide whether you like it or not.
This is a grass roots movement and it is time thst people took back control of our health and our finances regardless of the negative comments from the cynics who believe your nonsense about illegal pay plans or imporoper product claims. Just stop your FDA threats. We are NOT concerned.
You sir will not matter in the long run. Just watch. Do you know Dr. Earl Mindell who is the worlds top author on supplements who sold over 10 million copies of The Vitamin Bible worldwide is in our business and promoting our product? Do you really believe he would be in a ponzi scheme or be involved in a company making illegal health claims?
I await the day when you will be forced to do the right thing and write a blog apologizing for your arrogant and totally incorrect views on what is destined to one day be the #1 MLM company in the world FGXpress.
Haters gonna hate!
Lots of vitriol for a product that allows people with chronic pain to regain their lives–pain-free. Lots of animosity for a product that, within a half hour of their application, has them heading to the pharmacy to see if they can refund the morphine they’ve just bought (this just happened an hour ago).
Lots of spite for a product that does every single thing claimed and then some. Lots of belittlement for a product that signifies a paradigm shift in pain management and much, much more than that. It’s to be expected, because there are angry, vitriolic, spiteful, hateful people everywhere. And that’s a shame, because their mood would be so much better if they would just put on a Powerstrip.
Haters gonna hate, but Powerstrips users don’t care. Most of us not only use it but distribute it, and this thing is going to do a billion dollars in sales in the next two years. The real shame is that some of the haters have a place in the tree, and Powerstrips are going to make them rich. I wonder if they’ll still be haters then. Probably, I think. It’s a character issue.
Powerstrips work and if you want to buy some without signing up, any distributor is free to sell them to you for any price they can get as long as it’s at or over cost.
I’ll sell you a pack for $100.00 right now if you want, but why would you do that when you can go to my site and buy them for the same price I do after you enroll and pony up a whopping $12 a year for the membership.
That’s what this is, you know. It’s a membership club, just like Sam’s or Costco, and I don’t hear anyone talking about shutting them down on the basis of their business model.
The real issue here is that we have on our hands a truly breakthrough product that nothing on the market is able to compete with on the basis of safety and effectiveness. I know it’s hard for haters to believe, but new products do occasionally come along which immediately throw competing products into obsolescence.
That is what has happened in this case, and those who make negative claims about this product either haven’t the first clue as to what this patch is, or they are lying. Ask the naysayers what they know about the properties of the element germanium which cause it to reflect and refract far infrared rays and you will have your answer as to which of the above two possibilities is correct.
This is a deep-tissue heating patch that works the way it does because of the aforementioned germanium. It is patented and the process by which it is made is neither easy nor inexpensive to duplicate.
The product is able to travel the world thanks not to its FDA listing, but because it is not ingested. Salonpas comes from Japan and is sold in a lot of countries around the world.
Salonpas has no FDA listing, is not a medical device, and yet is still exported around the world. Why would it be any different for a competitor in the same field, regardless of USFDA listing? The answer is that it is not any different.
Keep running Powerstrips down. I’ll keep using it and selling it.
You should be. Regulators won’t give a stuff about your doctors or “health” rhetoric.
Are FGXpress still operating an effective “pay to plan” comp plan or have they fixed that up? Ditto the recruitment focus.
Trying to counter those core red flags with talk of doctors and grass roots movements is silly.
If it’s more attractive to recruit affiliates than to sell to retail customers, you’re in a pyramid scheme.
Furthermore, trying to compare MLM companies to non-MLM companies is an exercise in futility.
I’m seeing a recurring theme here amongst FGXpress affiliates, that being the attempted defending of what appears to be a flawed MLM compensation plan with talk of the product.
You can’t argue the legitimacy of apples on the merits of oranges.
Today I met a man who was hit by a car in 1994.
The man’s name is T……. Scott, and to look at him, he is the picture of health. But Mr. Scott was a garbage man in 1994, and one morning at 5:50 AM he was hit by a drunk driver and thrown twenty feet in the air. He landed on the same car, which continued traveling and caused him extensive injuries.
Mr. Scott has a pin and screws in his right leg. He has nerve damage (RSD disease) which cause severe swelling and lesions of his feet. His legs are discolored due to lack of blood flow from mid-shin on down. It was recently told to him by one of his doctors that there is a good chance his legs will need to be amputated in the not-too-distant future.
I applied one entire patch to the top of each foot, and one on his right elbow, which he recently banged against something and which, due to his nerve damage, has caused persistent pain not only in his elbow, but various other parts of his body as well.
Mr. Scott currently spends more than $300 per week on pain medication, and in fact had just come from the pharmacy with his latest morhpine prescription.
Mr. Scott was introduced to me by V….. Kraus, an RSD disease sufferer who knows him from a pain outreach group. Ms. Kraus has suffered with searing pain for the past ten years, five of which had her taking a $30,000 ketamine injection.
She was in the same situation as Mr. Scott until two weeks ago, when she picked up a sample of Powerstrips I had left with her doctor. Now she is pain-free. She can touch her own skin without pain, without the use of narcotics, for the first time in ten years. She is now a purchaser of Powerstrips as well as a distributor.
I was called in to explain the product. I spent three hours with them both, and during that time Mr.Scott realized that he had missed his normal time to take his morphine by two hours. He missed the time because he had no pain.
That is correct. Within minutes of applying a Powerstrip Mr. Scott was completely out of pain. He mentioned that he couldn’t even feel the screws in his leg. There is nothing else on the market that can do what Powerstrips have done for Mr. Scott and Ms. Kraus. If there were, they would already be using it.
This is a true story and it occurred this morning, May 22, 2014. Mr. Scott is now a purchaser and distributor of PowerStrips and has a very long list of fellow pain sufferers he’s already begun calling.
There is no stopping PowerStrips.
In one ear… out the other.
Have FGXpress submit the stuff to a full university lab to be tested on at least 500 people (if not 5000), then we can talk about the possibility of it actually working on “most” people.
Until then you’re talking about distraction, placebo effect, wishful thinking, expensive stuff=better, and various other fallacies and cognitive biases. There are bazillion possibilities than “it works”.
If you’d like, you can email me and I’ll provide phone numbers of the people I was talking about in my prior post. While it may be considered a testimonial, it is nevertheless true. I had posted previously, a long post going into most of the issues discussed in this thread, and the owner of the site saw fit to delete it. No matter.
It really doesn’t matter!
Have a nice life, and try not to spend it all on trying to run down something like Powerstrips, because while it doesn’t matter to FG Xpress or me, it is just about the worst use of your time I can think of, especially if you’re selling a competing product.
We who use it really, really don’t care about anything you have to say about it and the more I think about it, the happier I am that you’re miserable enough to keep this thread going. Why? Because it pays to advertise, that’s why!
Does use of Powerstrips result in brain damage?
Sure there is. Affiliates such as yourself will play a role in the demise.
Based on your post above, it looks as though MLM has reached another new low: trawling for business at pain-relief clinics. Reminds me of the parasitic cash-gifters up in Connecticut who trawled at Alcoholics Anonymous meetings and the TelexFree Stepfordians who spammed stories about the suicide deaths of two of their colleagues.
My sympathies to this individual whose medical history you’re sharing on a public forum. Here’s hoping he never bumps into Phil Piccolo.
Piccolo will try to sell him a product that purportedly prevents limb amputations while at once helping dairy herds produce more milk and gardeners to grow tomatoes twice their ordinary size.
You say it’s a problem that FGExpress doesn’t sell retail.
But isn’t it the case with any MLM company ? They will redirect you to their distributors, right ?
Retail = external consumers (they can be on autoship) = not participants in the income opportunity.
Lack of external customers = potential pyramid scheme issues (“selling the opportunity rather than the product”, nearly unlimited right to recruit other “business builders”).
I don’t have any specific problems with FGExpress, other than that I’m missing some information I have asked about in post #4 / post #31. It wasn’t important for me, but I actually tried to get more info about the use of the product (other than the marketing statements people have posted).
The videos I watched clearly had focus on distributing samples / promoting the product. Pyramid schemes will normally be very focused on the opportunity itself.
But their distributors sell retail, which would be tracked by the MLM Company, as they are expected to per Amway Safeguard rules under which all legitimate companies are supposed to operate under.
And by retail, we don’t mean a distributor selling to him/herself. The difference is a distributor is IN the comp plan. A retail customer is NOT (getting paid for buying stuff).
Update: One can now buy PowerStrips as a ‘customer only’ from any FGXpress distributors website. The customer pays a retail price and does not get a distributor number or participate in the compensation plan.
More MLM companies need to do this as most people do not want to have to join a company to buy their product(s). Only distributors in the US can sell the product to someone else from outside of their company website, but they cannot sell them for under the MSRP.
I am also not one who likes to promote PowerStrips by giving away a few samples as from my experience this past year, they do not work instantly on everyone and it is an injustice to the people who would have found relief if they only used them longer, but were under the impression that they worked instantly for everyone.
My wife took over four weeks using them as recommended everyday before she realized how well they were working as they worked very slowly on her. Do they work to take away her pain 100% everyday… no, but neither did the pain drugs she was taking before with all their know side effects.
After a year now using the strips her life is so much better and she will continue to use them. The underlining reasons for years of suffering with pain does not go away instantly for everyone.
Even the millions of prescription drugs that are purchased every month in the US alone, don’t work on everyone. Some people I know have had faster results and that is great, but I always tell people that is not the norm.
No company is perfect and no distribution system is either. What do you expect, they are run by humans. There are faults within every business, but the businesses that continue to improve as they grow, correcting their mistakes, will stick around and those that don’t will disappear.
The people who treat every company in a particular industry the same have never built or run a business or they would know that they are not all the same. Too many people are quick to judge the MLM industry and yet it is still around and actually getting bigger every year.
Yes, there are companies and individuals that take advantage and try to make the money and run, but that is never going to stop as long as there are individuals without integrity and people who don’t do their research before putting their money into a business. And there will always be people who continue to preach that all MLM / Network Marketing companies are pyramid schemes.
A business person / entrepreneur gets used to all of it and keeps moving forward learning as they grow.
Quote Jean Foster Post #49:
Guessing grape is your favorite flavor?
Sounds like a step in the right direction.
Let’s hope the company actually has retail orders coming through going forward, otherwise it might only be psuedo-compliance.
I checked one distributor’s web site.
It’s true, you can buy a pack without joining as affiliate (and paying one time fee for membership). So far so good.
But still I see there some technical problems there…
a) Customer shall enter in his credit/debit card details (number, expiration, CV code) directly on “order page”. At least the order page is secured (https protocol). But I suppose – serious online shopping with card transaction shall be redirected and carried out via bank processor page, then redirected back. What the hell – why you have to share these critical data with someone else (except your bank and card authority)?
b) Info about product being ordered is very vague and insufficient.
Here’s details you see about your order:
Item: PowerStrips™ Single Envelope QuickOrder (+ picture)
(+ local delivery surcharge $4.95).
No info how many strips are in envelope, no medical indication, no use recommendations… But you are presented with info how many business points it makes (50 QV).
I have to say, you get this missing info if you order the very same pack as affiliate. Here you can have this package with 18 strips for $69.95 + $12 one time membershisp fee + local delivery surcharge.
You can get this “Product Detail: PowerStrips™ are an ultra-thin U.S. FDA-listed Class 1 medical device that adheres to your skin to provide temporary relief of minor aches and pains and promote healthy skin. Pack includes one envelope of 18 strips. Shipping, handling and a $12 USD one-time Membership fee will be automatically added”.
Well, issue b) can be easily fixed on technical level.
But my impression about this business in my country is – leaders are focused on enrolling further affiliates. Same as with already collapsed Talk Fusion (no wonder – same “leaders”).
Here’s what happens when you click the buy button using a FGXpress affiliate link:
It’s the purchase of a membership kit:
That clearly states that you have to become a member to place an order.
I was hoping someone may be able to help me with answering some questions about 1: the product “POWERSTRIPS” and 2: The Business “FGxpress.
1: is there any evidence based practice for the use of these powerstrips… Randomized controlled trials or the like?
I am a Physiotherapist in NZ and as a health professional it is pertinant to my profession that I find the best products/techniques/skills that are proven for their efficacy validity and reliability over other techniques/methods etc.
I have been looking for some hard evidence other than anecdotal evidence that this product will work better over TENS, K tape/rock tape, massage therapy or exercise prescription…. Could anyone point me to some apprporiate trials or evidential findings?
2: i have read some of the above blogs and agree the business is not based on retail sales.
I was approached to buy into the “franchise” but when i asked how i will make money on product sale i was told you dont make the sale on the product its on how many people you recruit…
Is this a dodgy pyramid scheme? And should i tell my friend who is trying to get me on board that hes working hard to make his boss super rich?
1) I haven’t seen any trials at all. It’s ALL anecdotes. If there is one, it was never published.
2) If you are told outright it’s based on how many you recruit, and you have to buy-in first, it’s a pyramid scheme.
The problem is your friend is already… for lack of better word… indoctrinated into the “sales cult”. He will not be listening to you. He just thinks he’ll be rich, like his “boss”, and if you don’t share his “vision” you are a “loser” and you need to “get out of his way”.
They have been taught “thought-stop” phrases like “avoid negativity” (i.e. get away from anyone who disagrees with them) that short-circuited their logical thinking process.
The best you can do is “negotiate” a little, like “don’t go all in yet, try it for a few months and see how you do first” and see if he’s SOMEWHAT receptive to logic. If not, wish him wisdom (he doesn’t need luck) and be ready to catch him when he falls on his face.
I don’t think so, but pain relief can be about other factors, e.g. individual ones. Most of the attendees at presentation meetings seemed to be elderly people (but I have only looked at ONE video).
It depends on how you see it. We will primarily look at retail factors versus recruitment. A court or a regulator will need to look at much more than that.
I looked at some of Mary’s (post #2) instructional videos on Youtube. They were clearly focused on the products. Pyramid schemes will usually focus heavily on the income opportunity.
It can be a “sales method”, e.g. a method to “trick” people to buy those more affordable sample strips in large quantities, rather than the over priced power strips in smaller quantities. I tried to ask questions about it but I didn’t get any answer.
Recruiting people into a third party “opportunity” will most likely be in conflict with some ethical rules in your profession.
I don’t think the product itself will be in conflict. Check post #35. It’s an “exempted Class 1 product”. But the ethical rules in your profession are unknown to me.
If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck.
Be careful getting into that looks very much like a pyramid scheme. The compensation plan is too complex and depends on how many people you sign up and how well they do (sorry how many people you help get rid of pain).
On their promotional videos the doctor pitching the heat maps post application of the heat strips is comical. As previously mentioned, the benefits are all anecdotal. The other infused ingredients in the strips might be safe for dermal application, but there is no research.
On the FDA site it is listed in hot/cold pack classification. This does not make it automatically a magical pain killer. It is a hot pack.
Without controlled trials, this is all snake oil. Much less is know about the other packs and products. Agree with K Chang’s posts.
one course of action would be, to buy at retail, a few strips, and test in on your patients.
the affiliates of FG Express, will of course, tumble over each other, to convince you that their powerstrips are manna from heaven.
but your patients will give you the appropriate feed back. you can then make an informed decision.
And it will be shot like a duck.
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we have pending payout is there a delay with your payouts? for today pay period?
I signed up with ForeverGreen and have been getting an autoship every month, I am sooooo frustrated because I don’t use the product, the boxes are pilled up everywhere in my garage unopened.
I was told if I cancelled I would lose all the volume that is one leg and that volume is worth a fortune when I work the other side.
I have wanted to cancel for 6 months, but I can’t find any info on how to contact the company. There is nothing on the internet, the website is a joke, its obvious they did this intentionally as a business strategy.
I am one person who has wanted to cancel, imagine company wide.