Infinii abandon Springboard seats securities offering
The major red flag identified in our BehindMLM Infinii review was the company’s Springboard seats securities offering.
In a nutshell, Infinii affiliates were to invest in “seat” positions which would eventually pay out a passive ROI.
Following publication of our review, Infinii removed their official compensation plan documentation. New documentation was made available, with the Springboard seats component removed.
Infinii then went on to host two webinars about the business, with neither mentioning Springboard seats.
This lead to confusion among affiliates and myself, as there was no official announcement regarding Springboard seats being dropped or not (see comments on our Infinii review).
Were they still in the comp plan and just not being mentioned, or had Infinii canned the concept altogether?
In an attempt to suss out whether Kevin Thompson was endorsing Infinii, another of the claims going around, I reached out to Thompson for clarification.
I can now reveal that Infinii have indeed dropped the Springboard seats securities offering.
Clarifying the removal of Infinii’s Springboard seats offering, Thompson (right) writes;
Regarding the springboard concept, chalk it up to owners moving too fast too early. I think their recent changes to the idea make it better.
INFINii will be aggregating bulk orders from its members. When the amount has been hit, it’ll order the inventory and release the inventory to its members.
Members can either (1) get the inventory shipped to their home where they can physically manage it; (2) get the inventory shipped directly to Amazon where they can sell it from their personal Amazon account; or (3) get it shipped to the INFINii warehouse where they can sell it from their INFINii web store.
INFINii is not managing the sale (marketing, price, etc), just the shipping.
I think this is a better concept and will lead to a better sales force that’s prepared to work for their profit.
This is good to see, as quite obviously the Springboard seats offering was delving into unregistered securities territory.
With its removal, Infinii are operating more as a managed dropshipping solution, with affiliates still required to do the legwork.
As to Kevin Thompson endorsing Infinii, here’s where that’s at:
Yes, it happens too often where affiliates draw assumptions based on my representation of various companies.
In this one instance, though, they’d be right. It’s true that I did and still do endorse INFINii.
I’m running it through a new “Direct Selling Accelerator” program where I along with other vendors get more involved with a good, solid startup.
Based on their business plans along with the owners’ history, it’s clear that customer revenue will be the clear driver (75+%) of the compensation plan. They’re going to be disclosing the customer numbers soon.
To be clear, Thompson is endorsing Infinii without the previously attached Springboard seats investment offering.
Hopefully clears up the confusion we’ve been having, both on mine and the affiliate side of things (a bunch of Infinii affiliates seem to believe Springboard offers were never a thing).
Why this wasn’t brought up in either of the two lengthy webinars Infinii held over the past two days is unclear. They could have nipped the confusion in the bud but for some reason chose not to.
I’ve made a note on our Infinii review about the Springboard offers having been dropped, but will leave the review intact as the rest of the compensation plan remains unchanged.
I think the core idea of Springboard can work. It’s basically “Massdrop for merchants”. (Massdrop.com is a group-buy website where people sign up for X items of a certain product. The more people join, the price drops more. There’s a time limit)
OTOH, having a whole bunch of people selling the same **** generally does NOT work that well. And Springboard wins in all cases: they charge transaction fees and takes minimal risk. But I can see how DSDom can evolve into this Springboard thingie.
But as KT said, these guys have not bother with “adult supervision” (i.e. ask a lawyer if what they offer is even legal).
Now if people can just understand this revelation IMPROVES the company, and is not an attack… You don’t want an opportunity to gather steam, only to be shut down before it even launched like Funky Shark.
Remember Funky Shark? Same problem…
From Rodney Burton (who received a $400,000+ check at the latest DS Domination event):
Retail customers? What retail customers?
Is anyone in Infinii going to get “binary qualified” via acquisition of retail customers?
so, behindmlm’s review and possible intervention by mr kevin thompson has forced infinii to drop it’s problematic securities offering of the infinii springboard. good job, conversation always helps.
the idea of bulk purchasing a product to avail deep discounts is no doubt a solid concept.
i have two issues with this.
one, do affiliates/customers have to purchase in bulk or can they access a single product at a time? bulk purchasing by affiliates/customers will lead to the very possible scenario of unsold products and inventory losses.
the entire idea behind MLM regulation is to protect people from ‘loss’. requiring people to purchase in bulk will be inventory loading.
secondly, the process of gathering orders from affiliates/customers, negotiating the cost price with the manufacturer, and then delivery of these products, is going to be time consuming.
do affiliates have to pay in advance for their orders? between the time taken to receive the products and sell the products, affiliates could end up having their funds stuck for indeterminate periods of time.
what is the possibility that affiliates will take risks with their capital with the possibility of unsold inventory, or will just prefer to play infinii as a recruitment game with commissions from monthly ‘training’ autoship? rodney burton, jamison palmer, casey tan come to mind.
i mean affiliates were happy to invest in a ‘do nothing and get ROI’ scenario, but how many will be willing to invest in a ‘sell it yourself’ scenario?
i saw a video where juneja was explaining how DSD/options had approx 85% customers and only 15% affiliates.
inspite of these ^^^ astounding statistics DSD has been in decline with juneja having to reboot with infinii.
so, too much retail will kill your MLM? 🙂
something is wrong with juneja’s retail stats, and only he can explain what.
Yes a partner can become binary qualified by introducing 2 retail customers. They do not have to be partners.
Oh I know they can, my question was is anyone going to actually do it.
If the top leaders in Infinii are going gangbusters on affiliate recruitment, that sets the tone for the rest of the affiliate-base.
thanks. what is the exact difference between partners and retail customers?
also, infinii.com is all secretive, with no comp plan or information about what infinii is about? joining infinii is by ‘invitation’ only. why does an ecommerce company have any need for secrecy?
Partners are people who want to promote and pay $9.95/month for it. Customers are users with no ability to recruit and pay just for the ecommerce platforms. Clear division between affilaite and non-affiliates.
There is also no secrecy they laid out the timeline for things since before November and re-emphasized that things are coming out over the coming quarter.
I think the concept is so novel and they have such a large following that they are getting more play than expected right in the beginning when they don’t really even have a bv generating system in place.
This is another big reason why I say hold off on judgement until we actually get to see this stuff from the company itself.
soooo, affiliates and ‘retail’ customers get the product At The Same Price?
sooo, these ‘retail’ customers are in the genealogy of the upline and can become recruiting affiliates at the drop of a ten dollar note?
without a retail margin There Is No Retail. all you have is Internal Sales and you are effectively calling non recruiting members ‘customers’.
a ten dollar differential between active and inactive affiliates, is not going to fly by the FTC or any court. this is just psuedo compliance gone buttcrazy!!
so, everyone joins and goes on autoship and if you recruit you become an affiliate! vemma tried this argument in court and got their ass kicked properly.
at least vemma had a 10% discount on affiliate autoship, infinii does not eve have that . at least vemma had some 20% retail, infinii has 0 retail and no encouragement for retail, as it has No retail margin.
no wonder juneja has been putting out videos declaring he has 85% retail. what a joke. ha ha ha.
in MLM, affiliates have the Benefit of paying less for the product, which explains why they join, ie self consumption, resale, recruitment. in infinii affiliates have to pay More than ‘so called’ retail customers! what a joke. ha ha ha.
dear mr juneja needs to promptly take his plans right back to the drawing board. reinventing recruitment scams every 6 months can get dangerous. i mean, how long before the FTC notices him?
y’know between the infinii springboard and this sillybutt definition of affiliates and retail customers, infinii has really invited judgement right here and right now.
IIRC, mr kevin thompson was in concurrence with vemma’s stand that non recruiting affiliates should be classified as ‘customers’. this is premised around the idea that until people do not exhibit ‘affiliate like behavior’ they should not be treated as affiliates.
since ‘recruitment’ is affiliate like behavior, non recruiting affiliates can be classified as customers.
my response would be, that being on self qualifying autoship is also ‘affiliate like behavior’.
in vemma and in infinii, most affiliates are on autoship which is commissionable, and this strips them of the right to be recognized as ‘customers’ whether they recruit or not.
also MLM is a distribution channel. how can you distribute a product to end users without any distribution margin? that does not make any business or economic sense.
infinii has no retail margin, and 0 retail, the ‘product value’ is absolutely untested in open market conditions. let infinii sell its dropshipping platform at retail without any autoship requirement.
since they are confident that the average joe will be interested in becoming a reseller on amazon with discounted products sourced from infinii, without any interest in the pay plan commissions, they should prove it.
the sad part is, that the idea of using affiliate numbers to wring out huge discounts from manufacturers, is a solid idea by itself.
unfortunately infinii is using this idea as window dressing to prop up its recruitment based plan, instead of making this concept the ‘meat’ of its plan.
forget the training material autoship and crap. let affiliates just buy discounted product from infinii and retail it directly, or via amazon, or via personalized infinii web shops or however. consumers can join infinii to enjoy the products at discount, even if they don’t sell anything.
juneja will make more money ^^ than he can ever make with his recruitment scams that keep tripping up.
DS Domination was based on the idea of a “new market” — “Every new opportunity does exactly the same thing, trying to fish for new members in the same small fishing pond. Let’s try a different one with different fishing methods”.
Ideas like that may work for a while, but that “new market” will become saturated too. Options Domination probably tried to follow the same idea, but that market became saturated rather quickly.
From my POV, Infinii had too little substance as it was presented (I haven’t looked at the changes yet). A passive component “You won’t need to recruit anyone or sell anything, the system (or experts) will do the job for you” usually won’t work in reality.
If the system or experts had managed to produce the results they promise to produce then the “merchant customers” wouldn’t really have been needed (and neither would the affiliates).
Button line! If they need to show Thompson prior to start bad sign!
I did tell to many people there will be NO PASSIVE ROI of 600% or they full of crap! NONE of direct selling companies will EVER offer even 150% impossible! THEY DO NOT make that much money!
To offer bums piece of this pie! By bums I mean people who want to bring 50 and hoping to earn 600% on it!
something is wrong oz. either infinii has not dropped it’s ‘invest and get ROI’ springboard offer, OR affiliates are still in the dark about the springboard securities offer being dropped.
as recently as an hour ago, an affiliate from rodney burtons downline has reported:
this ^^ sounds like the initial springboard offer of ‘invest and get humongous ROI’
this ^^ does not sound like ‘buy products from infinii and sell them via your amazon account’
now, rodney burton, being a top recruiter in juneja’s previous offerings of DSD/OD, will definitely know what infinii is offering.
the rush to join infinii is clearly due to the promise of ‘free money’. people will hardly clamber over each other to become resellers on amazon. that would be a more ‘considered decision’.
i think infinii is still going ahead with high ROI investment plan via springboard, inspite of what kevin thompson has informed you.
there is something here that is not adding up. juneja is either tricking his affiliates or kevin thompson.
I don’t think Infinii will be based on the same idea. Massdrop tries to attract “real enthusiasts” in different segments of the market, while Infinii primarily tries to attract people “hungry for profit”.
That’s a big difference, an important one.
Infinii has affiliates participating in a recruitment driven opportunity, trying to sell a different type of income opportunity to “wannabe e-commerce merchants” that primarily are interested in the profit they hope to earn.
Those “wannabe merchants” prefer to earn the profit from a rather passive investment system where other people will do all the work for them. They are not really interested in the products themselves.
Infinii will probably manage to sell some products to end users, but I seriously doubt that that part of the business will be very profitable for any of the “wannabe merchants”.
The program simply isn’t designed to sell products to end users, it’s primarily designed to attract income opportunity seekers looking for opportunities to earn money.
I’m giving it till the end of next week.
The way I see it either affiliates are running around with incorrect information, or Infinii aren’t being honest with Thompson.
If Infinii put out a new compensation plan next week, the butthurt and pitchforks are going to come out. You’re going to have 20,000+ angry affiliates who signed up under the pretense of Infinii being their next unregistered securities investment party.
If Infinii have misled Thompson and continue with the original Springboard offers seats, there’s going to be a fallout between Thompson and Infinii.
And seeing as how he’s confirmed he endorsed them, that’s not going to be pretty.
Sit tight and let’s see what happens this week.
I agree with Oz – have to wait and see . as of right now if you send and invite and that person goes to web site they have Nothing to watch or see off of Infinii’s site??
unless you send them 2-3 hours of guys in rooms ?
might be something here but I think a “soft opening” would have been smart…
the rush to fill a binary and earn free money is always the problem with a binary in the beginning..
because juneja is a staunch believer in ‘transparency’, his company infinii held a ‘secret’ hangout a few hours ago to discuss their ‘secret’ offer of ecommerce.
so, it appears springboard is ON, and from what i could gather from comments, infinii will probably do some psuedo compliance wordsmithing.
apparently you can either opt to let infinii sell your product, or you could have it shipped to you, and sell it yourself. but if you ask for the product, you need a ‘reseller license’ [from whom?] and your sale generates no BV in the system [so wont be encouraged].
no fixed ROI is being offered, and there seem to be no answers to questions like;
-what about unsold inventory?
-what about product returns?
-what about thousands of infinii affiliates selling the same products on amazon, how successful will sales be?
amazon has a policy of inviting more sellers to any niche which starts generating volume. this is to offer its customers more choice, and bring the price down via competition.
so, if a black laptop bag starts generating volumes at 40$ a piece, in a short span of time many new resellers will enter that niche selling the product at say 35$ a piece and lower.
with cutthroat competition, it will be impossible to sell a huge number of black laptop bags ordered by thousands of infinii affiliates, consistently at the initial high margin.
the idea of making consistent high profits off amazon can appeal to the naivety of newbies in ecommerce, but is not possible in the real world.
the new infinii comp plan??
a testimonial says:
uh, i thought infinii was still in prelaunch?
the comp plan pdf does not specify who sets the retail price. it appears that infinii will place the products via its own account with amazon, and not via the affiliates amazon accounts.
the examples of products shown are giving a profit of approx 100%.
so 100% ROI, by investing money and merely clicking on products of your choice. this is a securities offering.
kevin thompson had informed oz, that affiliates will set their own retail prices and sell the products through their individual amazon accounts. this appears to not be happening. merely providing a ‘sell it yourself’ choice does not dilute the security offering IMO.
the infinii comp plan pdf gives examples of uber cabs and airbnb, as to how technological innovation is creating opportunities for the average joe.
but the infinii offer is distinctly different from uber and airbnb.
uber connects taxi’s to customers but the cab driver has to do the work of driving himself. airbnb connects homeowners to travellers but the homeowner is responsible for hosting the client.
infinii is asking for investment [against products] and providing an ROI with minimal involvement of the investor. it is like buying shares in the profitability that infinii presumes it will make by selling on amazon. thus unlike uber or airbnb, infinii is a securities offering.
“futuring” in this type of business, i.e. mlm is something to always be aware of. What does the company have now?
paying to access the site, and then paying to access training appears to be a great way to pay for inventory you may purchase to then sell back to the base.
risk vs reward… is it too early for the risk?
That’s exactly what they’re trying to sell. 🙂
They’re trying to sell the idea of an opportunity for the average Joe, where he won’t need any experience or knowledge himself and where others will do most of the work for him — where he simply can collect the profit.
He will only need to contribute with some money, so the people who told him about the opportunity can be rewarded for their efforts.
Average Joe himself will be rewarded with reflections of his own ideas (rather dysfunctional ones), but the people who told him about the opportunity will need money as rewards.
The fact that Uber and Airbnb require some efforts isn’t very important for the average Joe. His dreams are about making profits without any efforts. Infinii offer reflections of those dreams — better reflections than Uber and Airbnb.
Your obsession with INFINii is great to see…you’ve commented at least 5-6 hours worth here lol.
What’s even more amazing is your non-stop commentary with no thought or research behind it. It’s like you’re thinking out loud and trying to understand things but just spewing every word onto the keyboard in the process.
1. Infinii is the parent company of DSD this has been made evident and explained for 3 months now. They are just expanding more aggressively into ecommerce, freelancing, digital spaces now and have attached a strong compensation plan with it.
They also say that DSD and OD will be moved away from the mlm model and will be single tier products in Infinii Digital (a great move in my opinion).
Results from DSD also apply to infinii due to that (just like Alphabet gets to claim results from Google).
2. There is a separate doc for springboard that walks through the whole process and the training last night went through the doc and made it abundantly clear.
3. Uber and AirBnB are examples of what the digital and freelancing platforms are, not commerce.
In uiber a customer pays for a service, the driver provides that service, and the company makes money from that. In freelancing and digital you produce the content/service, a customer purchases it, and infinii makes money from the the fees charged (just like freelancer/odesk and others).
The money they make is turned into BV so the person who referred the service provider or the customer gets some commissions. Simple, ingenious, and given the massive reach and userbase they have, will certainly work well.
4. In Springboard you are basically using their warehousing and shipment service. You can get the products yourself and send them in, or get products from infinii and send them in.
They warehouse/package the stuff (what you pay mangement fee for) and then send it off to Amazon/eBay. YOU work with their staff to create the listing and set pricing YOURSELF.
They’re not doing this part (because they don’t need to, that’s something that takes little time and research, and the rest is up to amazon and the user himself).
5. There are no affiliate links, and they haven’t provided any promotional material and told people to hang on and do this properly, and not to promote aggressively.
To me they have shown a lot of restraint and credibility. Reigning back affiliate and keeping them in check is very hard and everything they have stated in their presentations has been geared towards it.
Yes, because a hangout that is announced publicly and held with 1000s of people watching is a “secret” thing, right?
You clearly have an agenda either against the company owners or the company itself and it shows clearly in your posts. Or maybe you feel better about your life by constantly posting made up lies.
How was this a “secret” hangout explain that?? Oz at least presents some justification for what he is saying, you just make stuff up and really lower the credibility of this blog as a whole.
They have moved away from that passive component in the newest presentations. I watched the first 50 minutes of a 1 hour 35 minutes “Infinii Springboard training” Hangout video — one day old (streamed live on December 5th).
The video was probably meant to be watched from the Infinii back office, where people could download the pdf presentation to better be able to follow the presentation in the video. It means that it focused on details rather than the whole.
They have moved away from the focus on “high profit margins”, or at least they didn’t use it as a sales argument.
They tried to give the opposite impression, i.e. that profit could be reduced because of unsold products or cancelled sales.
Correct M Norway. Also look at the safeguards in the presentation.
I think here’s what happened and it makes sense:
– The original presentation was shown to their EXISTING ecommerce sellers. For all of them, this made total sense. 100% ROI for an ecommerce seller immediately makes sense given the metrics.
– The presentation starts making the rounds with regular non-ecommerce users who start pushing the passive sales angle (having never used amazon, they probably thought this was INFINii offering sales not amazon FBA).
– The latest presentation and hangout were presented to the wider, non-ecommerce audience, so it went into the details and therfore makes a lots more sense for everyone else.
Note that I posted earlier explaining that this is how the springobard works because I knew what they meant given my amazon business. Now they’ve just spelled it a LOT more clearly.
I think it should be obvious that Springboard is a legit offering, the trainings are legit (I think better than DSD honestly because they are a lot simpler and easier to follow with text instead of the 20+ hours that you had to go through to find answers in DSD).
It’s now easy to see why Kevin Thompson endorsed them, they are good people with good product and the right focus.
Given the digital and freelance marketplaces coming next year I think they will expand very well and establish themselves as one of the best and biggest companies out there.
thanks and same to you.
but i often have ‘opinions’ about other topics on this forum too, and i assure you that my er, ‘enthusiasm’ is not reserved for infinii particularly.
in the comp plan pdf i saw, it is not mentioned that infinii was previously selling DSD and OD. a consumer can very easily be misled that the infinii ecommerce platform is established and has done roaring business in the past few years.
since juneja is a torch bearer for ‘transparency’, it should reflect in corporate documents.
wise decision IMO, seeing that the DSD and OD MLM opportunities have been in steady decline.
in the hangout yesterday, either kevin or juneja, said that most MLM opportunities fail due to ‘saturation’, but that infinii is different because it creates a revenue model which provides income to consumers, without the need for constant recruiting.
so tell me, what is the difference between options domination and infinii springboard?
-both have self qualifying monthly autoship on which commissions are paid for recruitment.
-both offer ROI for a few minutes work
-both have no retailable products [everyone joins at the monthly autoship]. springboard is not available as a standalone retail product, and i really have to wonder why? does infinii feel no one will purchase springboard without the attached autoship compensation plan?
-in both OD and infinii, participating in the ‘tagged’ business opportunity [options trading/amazon selling] is a matter of choice, and it is completely possible [and less risky and cheaper] to play the recruitment game.
so, what made OD fail, and why will infinii springboard run forever? people were supposed to make gazillions from the trading signals OD provided, but it seems that did not happen. now people are supposed to make ROI [juneja said loss ‘rarely’ happens] from selling products that infinii chooses, on amazon.
as i see it, OD was a recruitment scam structured around the ‘trending’ craze in options trading and infinii is a recruitment scam structured around the ‘trending’ craze of e commerce.
i mean, call me cynical, but hey! its juneja who has two collapsed recruitment scams, DSD and OD, in his Immediate History.
yes, uber and airbnb are different from what springboard is offering. uber and airbnb are ‘facilitators’ and the main ‘work’ is performed by the people who subscribe to their services.
infinii springboard is not ‘freelancing’, its ‘investing’. you Buy Credits based on your autoship level, Click on a few products from the Selection that infinii provides, let infinii list them on Their amazon account, and wait for the money to Roll In.
in an effort to attribute more ‘personal involvement’ to participants and avoid the ‘securities’ label, juneja now says that investors have to choose their own retail price.
then he goes on to say that whether or not products get sold on amazon, depends on correctly identifying a retail price, which is why infinii ‘recommends’ a retail price. so duh, ‘choose your own retail price’ is mere whitewash.
also, in a attempt to show inclusive participant effort, infinii says that you have a choice to get the product delivered to you, and sell it yourself.
then in the same breath you are informed that infinii deals with ‘branded products’ and you need a ‘reseller license’ to sell the product yourself, so uh, mostly all investors will chose to sell via infinii.
so, the ‘chose your retail price’ and ‘sell it yourself’ options may seem to be ‘genuine choices available to consumers’ to the average joe, but sounds like psuedo compliance BS to people who have heard this kind of crap before.
with all the work chiefly done by infinii, and not the participants, springboard is therefore not a ‘freelancing opportunity’ but an ‘investment contract’ aka ‘security’.
in his mail to oz, kevin thompson specifically mentioned that participants would be required to sell the products via their own amazon accounts:
but, by ‘recommending’ a retail price, and selling the product via its own infinii amazon account, and by requiring a ‘reseller license’ to sell product individually, infinii is essentially for all practical purposes,’managing the sale’.
Nah I won’t call the cynical, I call that purposeful lying. DSD is a multi-8 figure company with members generating over $2billion.
OD is a multi-7 figure company. Calling them ‘failed recruitment scams’ is beyond just lying about them.
DSD has tens of thousands of members already and continues to have them With OD, one key part that people were waiting on was the managed trading (I know I was), the signals themselves were and havebeen great, but managed trading never happened because they were waiting on getting approval from SEC or setting up the trading accounts.
They didn’t charge people or accept funds for it until they had a for sure thing. I call that being cautious.
In both cases they were very strong on not focusing on recruitment.
Oz often talks about the company’s numbers showing the reality. They released their numbers and showed that 80% of the userbase never became an affiliate in DSD.
That’s a recruitment scam? You’re a liar and clearly have it out for the company. It seems you particularly hold resentment against hitesh given how you refer to him.
maybe because he doesn’t fit your mold of the scammy person you’d like others to believe.
So far, I’ve paid close attention to all of his involvement in all companies, since the very beginning. Between you and him it is very obvious who the liar and slanderer is.
The guy gets on a hangout, explains the structure, tells people straight up what the failure rates are and why a recruitment model is bad for the average user.
You have clearly not read a single document released, or a single video presented and are just a bitter person lying on this blog giving yourself airtime on Oz’s work.
Get a life and stop lying, it might do you some good.
Others that seem to be reasonable like Norway and Oz will probably see the reality in this.
Guys you will love this)!
The only way this crap will run is ref junkies as always, good that it will fail fast! Since this tarded clowns promising people passive income!
No it wasn’t. It launched and flopped within a few short months.
Horseshit again. DSD have no way of tracking what their affiliates do outside of the compensation plan.
save your froth and fury. you yourself said:
the alexa data provided on this article shows the decline of DSD and OD:
why would anyone move away from an MLM model which is generating millions?
the truth is, that the DSD/OD recruiting faithfuls are hardly going to pay ‘multiple’ autoships every month.
when one recruitment scam flounders just start from the top again!
Wow Carl, you got completely Pfffted.
And the source of these figures are… themselves?
Carl, keep your absolute BS out of here please. That is just embarrassing!
Hi Guys –
In regard to Infinii, I have listened to several Infinii video presentations and I have a few questions:
1. In regard to the Springboard Co-op program membership at $399.95 per month, will it be possible to earn back the $399.95 in profits each month?
2. Since Springboard is referred to as a “gateway to eCommerce and not a final destination” – will a Springboard Excel member be able to learn how to take it to the next level without additional purchases or is a Springboard Excel member merely a funnel – or a bait & switch – into endless upsells?
3. Why in the world would a DSD member join Infinii, since with DSD training he should already know the basics of eCommerce, Amazon, FBA, etc.?
4. Is it envisioned and suggested that a new Infinii member – who is not experienced in eCommerce, Amazon, FBA, etc. – will first join as a Prime member and then upgrade to Surge and then to Excel as he/she learns and expands his knowledge, his profits, etc.?
5. According to Kevin Thompson, “…a Springboard member can get products shipped to the INFINii warehouse where they can sell it from their INFINii web store. Will it be difficult for thousands of Infinii members to sell their products from the same web store?
6. Also according to Kevin Thompson, “Infinii is not managing the sale (marketing, price, etc) – just the shipping.” I thought there was an option for Infinii to manage the sale, too. Is there an option for Infinii to manage, make the sale?
7. Can the Springboard program be used by a member for more than 90 days?
8. Can a new member stay on the Springboard program forever?
9. Does the 90 day stipulation as in, “…graduate to your own eCommerce presence after 90 days,” mean that after 90 days I will HAVE to purchase something else, such as Drop Ship Domination?
10. As we grow, won’t new seats be sold out immediately to members who have the financial resources to buy them?
11. As a co-op member, won’t I be competing with hundreds or thousands of Infinii members, all of whom are trying to sell the same co-op products?
12. Can I sign on as a Partner for $9.95 per month and promote Infinii but not purchase any retail memberships?
13. Kevin Thompson stated that he, “did and still does endorse Infinii,” and that “I’m running it through a new ‘Direct Selling Accelerator’ program where I along with other vendors get more involved with a good, solid start-up.”
So, Kevin endorses Infinii and considers it a good, solid start-up. Considering these statements and the fact that Kevin has spoken in length with the principals of Infinii, can I assume that Infinii is a solid-gold opportunity that will do as it says and create customers who are well-trained and “spring-boarded” into the lucrative eCommerce world, as well as distributors who earn a good income by sharing the oportunity with other entrepreneurs – and stay clear of the law in the process?
Thank you so much for your answers.
Best, Steve Downing
in the hangout aired on 6th dec, kevin hokoana clarified that springboard can be used by an affiliate for any length of time and is not restricted to 90 days.
the ‘use springboard for 90 days while you build your ecommerce business’ line, had been used on the compensation plan pdf for some psuedo compliance BS, to create an impression that springboard is just a ‘temporary’ clutch to help people become familiar with ecommerce.
this is because springboard is a passive income opportunity and can attract the ‘securities’ label.
juneja&co are using some heavy duty wordsmithing to gloss over the passive income opportunity they are pushing, which includes ‘choose your own retail price’ and ‘sell it yourself’.
valid question, but juneja&co did not address this.
also, in the examples of products provided in the comp plan pdf, items were available in lots of 500 pieces and 1000 pieces.
comments of FB indicate that some 25000 people have joined infinii in the prelaunch. assuming that these affiliates order just 5 items each from infinii, the total number of products required is 1,250,000.
assuming that a lot of 1000 pieces of each product are ordered, infinii will need 125 unique products in just this month of december, to sell on amazon.
this ^^ feat will have to be repeated month after month and the numbers will rise exponentially as the infinii pyramid grows.
so, how much staff and warehousing has infinii hired in preparation for this? in the hangout juneja would not give clear details of their warehousing infrastructure or their office address. it was like ‘we will be doing this and that’.
will there be enough products for all infinii members every month?
the logistics behind the infinii springboard offer are huge, and i don’t see how a few guys doing hangouts from their kitchens can pull it off.
where is the office? where is the staff?
question: why are top infinii guys like rodney burton selling infinii in ‘closed’ FB groups?
why are affiliates asking prospective joinees to ‘PM me for more information’?
why is an ecommerce program which is for the benefit of the ‘average joe’ not being promoted openly? it’s just silly and suspicious.
I thought they had made some corrections to that, to make it look less like passive investment and more like real e-commerce?
The “passive investment” ideas presented in marketing videos during prelaunch will most likely not work for merchants. They’re trying to trick people to buy into the opportunity.
* The ideas had too little substance. They tried to make the opportunity look attractive to potential “investors”, but they were vague on how it actually would work in reality.
The webinar had more substance, but it was difficult to understand the idea as a whole based on that presentation. I only watched 50 minutes of a 1 hour 35 minutes webinar.
I may of course have watched the “wrong videos” initially.
I HAVE WATCHED THE FOLLOWING VIDEOS (INITIALLY)
1. “Infinii / DSD Orlando Event 2015”
2. Prelaunch presentation:
I simply googled “Infinii”, and the Orlando event was among the first search hits. Watching that one led to that other video. I have checked a few other videos too, and they had relatively similar content.
I didn’t try to use any advanced search methods. I simply tried to find out “What type of information will people find when they try to look into Infinii as an opportunity?”.
They’re trying to generate a lot of “excitement” about the opportunity, but most of it seems to be based on false or misleading factors.
* I don’t believe in that check flashing event. I believe that was a “motivational meeting” with imaginary amounts — not about real payouts of money (at least not from the Infinii opportunity).
* The other video followed the same idea. “Try to create a feeling of excitement about it”. It used some “big numbers”, e.g. $11 trillion market, $2 billion turnover, $380 million in payouts.
Those “big numbers” don’t tell you anything about how it has worked or will work in reality. And I also believe those “big numbers” were fake.
That marketing method may work if people already believe in certain ideas, e.g. “big dreams” ideas — if people are attracted to ideas like that. It can work if you’re selling income opportunities to certain types of people, but selling products to consumers will usually require quite different ideas.
i assume that many people will join infinii because of the ‘endorsement’ by mr kevin thompson.
i just hope that commissions paid to affiliates are sourced primarily from the sale of products to bonafide end users, and not from the compulsory autoship monthly payments.
there is no caselaw which rules that affiliates on compulsory autoship are bonafide customers. you cannot ‘effectively force’ affiliates to purchase something and then declare that it is self consumption and that they are bonafide end users.
This argument did not fly in burnlounge, or in the recent vemma injunction ruling.
You have looked deeper into it than I have, but the ideas about how it would work in reality were generally too vague.
“Gateway to eCommerce and not a final destination” doesn’t really tell you anything. But it will allow people to fill in their own ideas and their own expectations. Some people may feel attracted to vague descriptions like that.
DSD started to fail in late 2014 or early 2015, according to Alexa rankings. They introduced Options Domination in spring 2015, and now they have introduced Infinii as the newest “focus of excitement”.
The opportunity is “excitement driven”. They simply need some new ideas people can focus on and dream about — some “next big thing on the internet”.
DSD members were probably offered some “early in” ideas, e.g. “join before the masses find out about it — this one will be huge!”.
The video I watched strongly recommended the second level as a starting point. But that doesn’t need to mean anything.
Having 3 different options will make it easier to sell. If you only have one option, then the question will be about “join or stay away?”, rather than about “which one do I prefer?”. “Half interested people” will look at it in a different way if they can compare different options.
That’s about “sales psychology”. People will be more likely to buy something if they have some choices to choose from.
The 1 hour 35 minutes webinar tried to cover details like that. It tried to show some of the “substance”. But I only got some vague understanding of it — because the webinar was primarily meant for existing members already familiar with different parts of the program.
The webinar promised to make some simplified information available through the back office — “everything people need to know to understand the most major aspects of the program”.
I decided to wait for that information, i.e. I don’t have a clear understanding of details. I have mostly focused on some specific “issues”.
How about paying 9.95 to just have access to the binary?
?? memberships raises money to buy products..unless enough folks pay to play — is it all futuring??
the infinii website [newly updated] provides a mailing address for contact:
Our mailing address is:
INFINii Commerce LLC,
15201 Mason Rd. Ste 1000 #145
Cypress, TX – 77433
this appears to be a post box address and not a physical office location.
it is surprising that infinii which claims to have done gazillions of dollars worth business in the last few years, and is currently attempting to operate a complex logistical operation involving hundreds of thousands of physical products, requiring scores of full time staff, does not even have an office to control its operations from.
the new website claims:
yeah, smart wordsmithing saying ‘members may chose to create and manage’ while completely avoiding mentioning the easiest choice available to members ie, invest and let infinii do the rest, and wait for your ROI.
meanwhile this is how infinii top recruiters are selling the scheme as recently as a couple of hours ago:
the fact that infinii will not come clean with its ‘exact offer’ on its website is a huge red flag IMO.
infinii has launched its ‘springboard’ yesterday, it’s official compensation plan is not available yet [to the best of my information].
springboard had been touted as a platform for thousands of high margin products that affiliates could choose from. the reality seems to be a bit different.
the official FB page of infinii records this conversation today:
so, there is no ‘work’ involved in affiliates ‘choosing’ a product either. just choose from a ‘single page’ of products. then click on the ‘recommended’ retail price. then ‘choose’ the option to allow infinii to sell the product for you. done and done. free money anyone!
infinii should remember that just because they are providing ‘choices’ like ‘sell it yourself’ or ‘send your product to us to sell’, it will not dilute the securities offering of the springboard.
in SEC vs koscot, it was found that even if a ‘part’ of a scheme sold a ‘security’ it is liable for security violations even though other parts of the scheme may be legitimate business activities.
Yes, it seems the sheep are awakening to the fact that it’s not all rainbows as it has been presented.
Good luck recovering those hefty monthly fees to be a member!! I sense doom before it even gets out of the gate!
here is an example of how infinii investors are participating in springboard:
the affiliate has chosen the retail price recommended by infinii and chosen the option ‘ship, manage and sell this product for me’.
this ^^ is the truth of the springboard offer, no matter how much the infinii website tiptoes around it, by using roundabout language.
infinii is struggling with getting affiliate NDA’s approved. while infinii tries to get a handle on its new business, affiliates have to obediently cough up monthly autoship to keep juneja&co financially comfortable.
yes, the management appears to be ill equipped and inexperienced for this business.
hmm, the link i provided of an example affiliate purchase in post#51 has disappeared from the infinii FB page. whats to hide guys? everyone knows what springboard really is!
Indeed, things are getting restless there. So much that Infinii is now scolding (in public) their members for being negative on the FB page. Other members telling people they are not to use the “investment” word there.
Other things of interest are that members claiming Infinii products are no name brands, that’s if they get access to the springboard page.
Others say there is very limited product choices while some so called leaders are actually claiming the reason for limited products and people can’t find them listed on Amazon is because there’re being bought and resold so quickly. Ok, right!!
Some are asking how to get their money back while being told their deposit was non refundable. Just plain sad!!!
this comment was posted to the official infinii FB page a few hours ago, and i suspect it will be deleted shortly:
infinii is free to take all the time it needs to get a hang of it’s own business. but what about folks who dont want to hang around watching infinii growup into some indeterminate future being? will infinii refund their money?
so, infinii has taken all information offline to its private forums with people complaining of their comments being deleted on facebook.
as for infinii refunding money of dissatisfied affiliates, their ‘partner agreement’ provides a window of just seven days for asking for refund of ‘initial’ fees paid in:
only the ‘initial’ payment is refundable and consequent monthly autoship fee is non refundable. 7 days is too short a time for a new affiliate to make a decision about the infinii offer, so the preliminary refund offer is ‘polite’ but not ‘practical’.
further should yu choose to partner with infinii you have to give up some important legal rights:
this ^^ basically means that if you want to litigate against infinii, you better do it in your individual capacity, which is difficult for most people to do.
further, infinii can shut it’s doors on affiliates with a 30 day notice and can walk away without having to pay any pending commissions:
so, infinii has comfortably worded its partner agreement to effectively be a ‘one way street’ in their favor.
One Year people, that’s my bet on the longevity of infinii’s recruitment scheme. once the rodney burtons of the world have had their fill of recruitment, infinii will start collapsing like juneja&co’s previous pyramid schemes.
MLM attorney kevin thompson, who has ‘endorsed’ infinii’s business plan, recently wrote an article about the stream/ignite energy class action suit.
the fifth circuit appeals court has recently rejected a class action in the stream energy case which sets a precedent making class actions against pyramid schemes difficult in the fifth circuit.
mr kevin thompson was in disagreement with this ruling and wrote:
it is obvious that mr thompson staunchly believes in affiliates having the right to pursue ‘class actions’ against alleged pyramid schemes.
so, i’m hoping that his ‘endorsement’ of infinii does not include an ‘endorsement’ of their partner agreement, which strips affiliates of their right to a class action.
Their FB group is heavily monitored now and any negative comment is zapped within minutes or a few hours at the longest.
This is still being promoted as “put your money in, let Infinii do all the work, and collect profit”. KT?
The Infinii address on the FB page takes you to a shack on a Texas country road. Hardly a corporate warehouse capable of moving product from “seven figure sales in one week” as is being proclaimed.
You give this thing a year? I say 4-6 months tops.
Give it two months of people realizing there’re not even coming close to recovering their monthly fees. That’s when the collapse will begin.
The “we’re in beta, expect some bumps in the road” song and dance can only fool the sheep for so long.
I had a quick look at it. The decision seemed to be relatively correct, but some of the arguments were rather questionable.
Kevin Thompson focused on those controversial statements rather than on the arguments leading up to the primary decision.
The dissenting judge focused on the same.
i mentioned the fifth circuit court order and kevin thompson’s opinion of it, only to point out that he seems to support affiliates rights to participate in class actions, as against individual affiliates fighting lawsuits against an alleged pyramid scheme.
the fact that infinii’s partner agreement strips affiliates of the right to participate in a class action, seems contrary to mr thompsons personal views, and so i hope he has not ‘endorsed’ the infinii partner agreement.
there was a recorded infinii corporate call yesterday, addressed chiefly by hitesh juneja.
the gist of the speech was that infinii is such a great program , because you can make money without recruiting.
apparently, you can make money by using the infinii training you receive on monthly autoship, to list and sell products on ebay and amazon etc.
but, hey juneja, ^^ was what DS domination was offering. DS was about training to learn how to sell on ebay amazon etc. we all know DS failed when its recruitment petered out.if people were making a gazillion dollars using DS training, why the frig would it fail?
infinii is different from DS because of its springboard offering. springboard is the chief offering and attraction of infinii. springboard is still offering ‘invest and get ROI’ via its automated selling program.
juneja spent just a few minutes mentioning springboard, in his over 40 minute call. he mainly just glossed over it, by saying its for international members who don’t have amazon accounts and have no experience with ecommerce.
this^^ is a load of crock because it is the free ROI that’s lead to the recruitment rush in infinii.
juneja said they have a 7 figure payout in commissions already.
now, infinii products were launched just around the 10th of december. today is the 23rd. so, in about a fortnight, have millions of products been sold already to explain these high commissions? or are they just commissions from recruitment?
lets see the paperwork, juneja, show us which amazing products you have sold, on which ecommerce platform and for how much profit. dont just say -thousand of infinii users are making money from the training already. i mean, i could say – pigs can fly – but would you believe that?
amusingly, it seems that infinii has now added a ‘quiz’ that participants need to answer before they can take part in springboard.
haha, i think this is to ‘show’ that people have put in ‘effort’ to get their ‘profit’ from the springboard automated program. it is probably also some psuedo compliance BS to show that only ‘informed’ investors took part in springboard after understanding the risk.
wouldn’t it be better if juneja just registered his springboard securities offering with the SEC instead of all this nonsense?
it’s amazing that an MLM can think that using such a thin psuedo compliance veil can save their ass. they must have really really greenhorn lawyers 🙂
no matter how hard infinii is tying to muzzle any talk of the true nature of its springboard offering in the public domain, they are hardly going to be able to contain the enthusiasm of thousands of affiliates who are trying to sell the opportunity online.
this FB post from dec 6th tells it as it is:
so, passive income and recruitment commissions are the chief attractions of infinii.
i have strong suspicions about the ‘actual’ amount of ecommerce that infinii will transact. i suspect that only a small amount of ecommerce will actually take place to enable the management to say – hey, we are a genuine ecommerce platform. hey, we just sold a spiderman puzzle on ebay!
i strongly suspect that the ROI paid out on springboard investments will be from the money of new investors in ponzi style.
Has Infinii registered with the SEC yet?
Regulators will usually look more at the underlying realities than on how people describe it.
I’m not sure about “pooling of funds” in this case. That’s one of the requirements in “common enterprise” → commonality (I don’t remember which one).
(1) the investment of money;
(2) in a common enterprise;
(3) with an expectation of profits to be derived solely from the efforts of the promoter or a third party.
We usually don’t check the commonality criteria.
Investment of money … in specific products waiting to be sold … with the expectation of profits … to be derived from individual product sales.
That’s how must merchants operate. It doesn’t really matter whether they do most of the work themselves or if they use third party services.
great point norway!
courts test ‘common enterprise’ either by the ‘vertical commonality’ or the ‘horizontal commonality’ test. federal circuit courts are split in their use of these two methods.
since infinii has chosen the legal forum of texas, which falls in the fifth circuit of the federal court system, it is relevant to check which commonality test the fifth circuit prefers.
the fifth circuit follows the ‘broad vertical commonality’ test for the ‘commonality’ prong of howeys test:
the ninth circuit court, whose precedents are often followed by various circuits, follows the [narrow] vertical commonality test for testing commonality, which is similar to the fifth circuits views:
so, infinii is pretty scrxxxx at least under the jurisdiction of the fifth circuit.
i haven’t checked the ‘horizontal commonality’ because it seems irrelevant in this particular case.
ken eggleston, who is VP sales at infiii, has an FB post crowing about infinii’s smashing alexa ratings.
c’mon eggleston. just because people are flocking to the infinii website to earn recruitment commissions and sign up for the springboard ROI, is not a reflection on how the company is performing in the marketplace.
alexa traffic ratings have nothing to do with the legality, profitability or longevity of infinii.
eggleston should know that the previous recruitment scams from the infinii stable also started with high alexa ratings, which then fell through the floor within a few months.
DS [drop ship] domination alexa ratings:
OD [options domination] alexa ratings:
so, eggleston should take a deep breath and calm down, the recruitment party at infinii is going to stall once the free booze starts running out, and then the lights will go out one by one….
while infinii continues to surreptitiously run its passive income springboard offer, affiliates are now beginning to sell infinii using MLM attorney kevin thompsons ‘endorsement’ of the business:
there are affiliates on FB who are posting about selling products on amazon etc via their own amazon accounts. there is nothing wrong with this part of the infinii business at all.
but with claims that over 45000 people have joined infinii, a handful of affiliates personally selling products themselves, cannot mask the fact that the large majority of affiliates have joined infinii for the passive income springboard opportunity and/or the recruitment commissions.
I had a quick look for updates on Infinii today.
The Facebook page was dead up until an hour or so ago (no updates in weeks).
My guess is they’ve nuked everything that’s not “awesome!!!” and “hey guys great job!”, and want affiliates to only talk on their secret forum group.
That Russia is the number one source of traffic to the Infinii website domain (28.5%) speaks volumes…
(Apologies to any legitimate Russian MLM affiliates out there, but I’ve yet to meet a legitimate Nigerian prince)
Yes, any negative comment on the Infinii FB page gets zapped within minutes.
Their latest company webinar was all about new “enhancements” to the recruiting commissions. So it’s all about recruiting people to buy information that is free on the net if you look hard enough.
The so called earn money for doing nothing “Springboard” has simply turned into a wholesale buying house using a widely known wholesaler.
See link below from RipOffReport:
is the springboard operational yet? have people who selected products on springboard in early december, 2015 received any returns yet?
this conversation was recorded on FB on jan 7th:
it seems that for now infinii is doing exactly what it’s previous avatar DS domination did, ie sell training via recruitment.
with springboard possibly faltering, all the people who joined infinii for the passive ROI are in for a rude shock.
and if springboard takes off, then juneja&co may be in for a rude shock if the SEC come calling.
this video posted just 11 hours ago, clearly explains how to earn a passive income from infinii along with recruitment commissions from the monthly autoship.
no matter how offline juneja&co try to take their ponzi/pyramid offering, affiliates keep posting the truth about the infinii springboard.
ken eggleston who is VP of global sales, infinii, claims that 1000 people are joining infinii everyday.
but while infinii affiliates post about the amazing passive income opportunity and the money to be made, no one says a word about the humongous amounts of products that infinii must be already selling on amazon etc to pay them their ROI.
this seems to be a modern day mystery about magic money appearing from magic sales which no one knows about.
Infinii has simply turned into DSD but with monthly membership fees (much higher fees than original DSD) and with recruitment commissions paid to affiliates that refer others who pay those fees.
Problem – like the original DSD, most people won’t or can’t refer others.
Once they have the training they paid for, they will see no reason to keep paying the monthly fees, the bottom will fall out, game over.
This was the biggest complaint from the big recruiters in the original DSD. There was nothing to keep the people who couldn’t refer others in the program.
Infinii, with the make money without referring others “Springboard” was going to be their solution to this problem.
Now that “Springboard” is no longer the centerpiece, they’re back to square one. It will be interesting to see how they try to keep the affiliates from dropping out without any incentive to stick around.
My guess is that the steady decline will begin shortly. Then off to the next recreation of the “bigger, better DSD/Infinii”.
russian volume is up at 37.6% now and the alexa graph is almost vertical.
as ‘bonnie’ reports, if springboard is not getting off the ground as expected, we should expect the alexa ratings to roll down the cliff soon.
meanwhile juneja&co might be laughing all the way to bank with the quick and easy money they have made.
Do you have any additional info on what’s happening with or to Infinii?
I was going to start working with them now I’d like to dig deeper, I’d hate to get “Burned by A Sinking Ship”.
a recent webinar hosted by kevin hokoana and hitesh juneja has no mention of infinii sourcing discounted products for members and no mention of the ‘done for you’ springboard.
its all about infinii training provided for affiliates to set up their amazon/ebay etc accounts and sell products themselves from one platform to another.
it also talks about the recruitment side with over 70% commissions paid on ‘get two’ and ‘duplicate’. juneja says you can make thousands of dollars by just recruiting two people.
soon, people who cannot recruit will stop paying the monthly autoship, and infinii will become the disaster that DSD was.
in a conf call uploaded yesterday juneja announced that they were delaying the collection of autoship payments to jan 27th.
allegedly, this is because they are updating the infinii website and backoffice to provide more ‘value’ to their affiliates.
with no reports about springboard’s success, i suspect juneja is buying some time as many initial recruits may balk at paying the monthly autoship, without the springboard opportunity and ROI.
a screenshot of the back office in the conf call had a section called ‘springboard’ but juneja did not address it at all.
alexa ratings show that russian interest in the infiii website is now touching 40%, and so infinii will now have russian translations on its website.
the emphasis now seems to be on promoting the infinii business through recruitment.
So a DSD 1:1 clone?
it seems infinii investors are still waiting breathlessly for springboard to launch:
so, will sherri pay the monthly autoship juneja is expecting on jan 27th?
i thought springboard was in full action, only to find out it has not been started yet. so when???
have they abandoned that springboard project for the internationals???
People move on its not gonna work period.
If so it would of happened a long time of go, stop dreaming that this system MAYBE soon will work period.
You all are getting pimped by this company. Go to the infinii forum you be amazed on so many people is going back and forth hoping that this system is going to work soon smdh.
This system was set up like this so that the owners can get millions by using springboard for a dub to get sucker to keep paying as long as possible until the fire burns out, after that guess what they are gone. GIVE UP!
according to an infinii corporate call yesterday, springboard is ON, but in a silent stealth mode.
juneja says they don’t address springboard much, because affiliates charge around talking about ‘passive ROI’s’ but that is not the ‘intent’ of springboard and they don’t want to attract regulators with this kind of talk.
he said people familiar with ecommerce understand what springboard is, but then forgets to inform everybody about what the ‘intent’ of springboard really is.
so, juneja wants his affiliates to know that springboard is up and running, but please please please don’t talk about it.
juneja doesn’t want to talk about ‘recruitment’ either, because infinii is not that kind of opportunity. but but but if you pay 10$ more every month, kevin hokoana will teach you a course on how to recruit at least one person into infinii everyday!!
so, these guys are talking from both sides of their mouth in some hodgepodge attempt to appear ‘compliant’ and present themselves as a genuine ecommerce platform.
at the beginning of the call, hokoana listed some of the countries from where affiliates had tuned in, and russia did not get a mention inspite of almost 45% infinii traffic being generated from there.
funnily, juneja said that infinii is not a ‘pay to play’ program because even if you join at the ‘prime’ [lower] level you can recruit ‘surge’ and ‘excel’ [higher] level members.
it seems juneja with all his experience in MLM does not understand what ‘pay to play’ means. to participate in infinii you have to be on monthly autoship, which clearly makes it a ‘pay to play’ program.
also, it seems infinii has run into some problems with their ‘limits’ on ebay, and are currently ‘resolving’ this problem. i don’t think ebay or amazon will respond well to a ponzi program hitching a free ride on them.
the infinii ‘prelaunch’ ends on march 10, 2016 with a promise to launch the “Ultimate Business Model” which will ‘transform’ the network marketing industry.
mark the date oz, look forward to a review from you, unless juneja&co get all sneaky and don’t share much information!
Oz, when one sided very obvious garbage like what anjali has written here is posted it’s really lends to discredit your otherwise generally good work.
I don’t see any of the ‘talking out of both sides’. I will try to address things quickly:
1. No it is not a pay to play. I was not an autoship at all, I was able to receive commissions without being on one (the fast start and beginner bonus).
I used the funds earned to become a prime member. I did this specifically to test their system because they were adamant that opposed to other comp plans, with them yu don’t need to spend money before being able to get commissions.
Funny enough I was active in DSD (still have an account) and there you DID need to own the product to get commissions, and that’s something that Hitesh spoke against specifically.
So right there you’re plain wrong. YOu don’t need to be on an autoship to earn commissions.
2. The eBay limits is a legit thing. I actually called ebay and asked them about it. Remember that this was all new territory until Hitesh and co. invented these things with DSD.
I asked eBay and also created a developer account. It is true – you only have 5000 API calls per day. Ebay says this is plenty for 99% of developers.
I also asked them to tell me if I was safe and gave them Infinii ALC link to check. They said that Infinii is indeed a compliant app and has been checked by them and their api limits were raised.
So once again, a strong legimate thing that Anjali is so eager to discredit that she actually called this a ponzi (really? how? do you know what a ponzi is??)
3. I have springboard items. Some of my items have already sold. I was on the webinar where I listened (skeptically mind you) why they distracted from it so much.
They outright said, and I quote “SpringBoard is designed to help people start selling, especially in the first 90 days when you are going through limits on eBay and possibly Amazon is ramping up. This is not meant to be ‘lived off of’.”
They talked about how they have immediately told partners to stop talking about it like a passive scheme, that majority of people won’t be able to live off of it. And yes, Hitesh, the CEO, actually drew out a paint diagram (seems to be in love with paint lol) showing how mathematically even Amazon itself couldn’t sustain the type of promises many of the partners were making.
I have never seen clear math based honesty. Pozis don’t do this. Anjali is on here either purposefully lying or is completely ignorant and it reflects badly on Oz who is measured with his words (usually lol).
4. They have a marketing and lead generation system. If you are a partner you can learn how to market online from them. You odn’t need to, but according to them there are 10,000+ affiliates in Infinii.
So they obviously want to help their sales force do better. They also have more than that customers (according to them). Since when did it become a problem for a company to provide training to its sales force?
I am waiting on that training, I want it personally. BUT, I know none of the people in my team care too much about it right now since they are actively making $ on ebay.
One of them just crossed $6k in sales in Feb and he started on Dec 24. No recruiting.
It seems to me they are doing all the right things, and the very wrongheaded attacks by people like Anjali will drive people away to things like onecoin that are actual ponzi.
I hope this is taken as an objective assessment of the company. I earlier left a relatively negative comment about Infinii on their FB page due to their tech glitches. Over the last 30 days I have seen pretty much all of it corrected and tremendous improvements come out so now I’m posting something positive.
End of the day, I can at least state that the founders – Hitesh and Kevin (and Jason but I have not heard from hime much), are very genuine, and been very transparent whic I appreciate.
I have made money as partner (not as much on the ecom side it’s not my thing to be honest), and I’d say 70% of my team has no interest in becoming a partner initially.
Now that most of them are making money on ecom they are looking into it more and sharing on FB and getting success as partners too. There are some things I’m still not 100% happy about but there is overwhelming positive things happening so I’m okay with being patient on some more stuff.
You’re welcome to challenge other commenters, but let’s not pretend what other people say is a reflection of my own comments and/or opinions.
Anjali’s comments aren’t a reflection on myself, any more so than your own comment.
So long as the comment is ontopic, I don’t have a problem with people presenting their views on a company.
I took significant pains to ensure it was clear that your and anjali’s comments are different. I only pointed out that biased opinions of either kind end up reflecting on the whole site, which is a shame but is reality of how people perceive things.
I find anjali’s comments entirely baseless and intentionally misleading. Again, I’ll be the first to point out many mistakes of Infinii, I am a fair guy. But they apologized for mistakes and took very quick actions to address any issues.
Now the model is legit – members making ecommerce sales and members making income as partners. It is unique and I believe will go far.
We should identify companies like these and force this to be the minimum standard for the industry (note I say minimum I don’t think Infinii is exemplary yet though they could be with some more effort).
Bashing for your own ego or just to seem like a warrior for justice is unfortunately a trap the weak willed fall into. I hope my comments provide a more objective assessment for anyone considering this company.
I think most readers will look at a comment and see it as a reflection of the person leaving the comment. When was the last time you watched a YouTube video and based your opinion of the videos on YouTube off of comments left by viewers?
Personally I’m waiting till this March 10th thing, sounds like they might be gearing up for another compensation plan release.
are you saying you joined infinii For Free and earned commissions? i have not come across a single infinii presentation either from the company or affiliates which says you can join infinii for free.
please provide a link of the company’s rewards plan which states you can join infinii for free.
you say, you are earning revenue mainly from recruitment:
are you saying you are getting your recruitment rewards without paying the monthly autoship?
from all that i have read, you join infinii at the prime,surge or excel membership level’s by paying in a ‘fee’, and then pay a monthly ‘autoship fee’ to continue getting rewards. you earn commissions from the ‘fee’ paid in by your recruits. bundling ‘training’ with this ‘fee’ does not make infinii any less of a ‘pay to play’ scheme. check out FTC vs burnlounge, if you have any doubts.
just because infinii’s ebay ‘app’ is compliant, it does not mean that the infinii business itself, is MLM law compliant.
springboard is a passive income opportunity, and hence a ‘securities’ offering which should be registered with the SEC.
according to posts on FB, infinii has upwards of 70,000 affiliates, and if even half of them are investing in springboard for the passive ROI, i will be inclined to think the ROI’s are ponzi payments, unless i see clear proof of the gazillion springboard products sold on ebay and amazon.
infinii itself is a recruitment based pyramid scheme where ‘customers’ and ‘affiliates’ [partners] alike, are on a training ‘autoship’, with a farcical 10$ payment separating them. there is no retail price and no true retail customers.
try flying infinii’s sillybutt ‘customer’ and ‘affiliate’ differentiation by the FTC or a court, and then you will have a genuine reason to whine, instead of caterwauling about anjali this and anjali that.
are you saying that affiliates can avail of springboard only for 90 days?
in a corporate webinar, kevin hokoana clearly stated that springboard is available to affiliates for any length of time.
the question is not whether affiliates can ‘live off’ springboard or not, the question is whether springboard is a ‘passive’ income opportunity or not.
telling affiliates not to talk about springboard as a passive scheme, does not make springboard any less of a passive income opportunity.
btw, the infinii corporate FB page currently carries this affiliate comment:
well, hurray for you.
seeing that juneja&co have floated their third recruitment scheme within three years, i have serious doubts about their ‘genuineness’.
speaking about transparency, has any affiliate visited infinii’s offices and warehouses yet?
lets see whether they drop springboard or register with the SEC. registering with the SEC will mean providing reports about the number of springboard products sold and the exact profits on them, so i think not.
and if they drop springboard, all the passive ROI expecting affiliates will drop out, causing infinii to crash and burn, so i think not. springboard will continue as the secret stealth infinii weapon for mass annihi… recruitment!
will they introduce a retail price for their ‘training’ packages? i think they should, because their ‘training’ should sell like hot cakes at retail, since infinii members are apparently using the training to make bucket loads of money, selling stuff independently on amazon and all.
so infinii, introduce a retail price for your training and bedazzle the world with your retail statistics. the whole world will clamber over itself to buy your retail product, and sell independently on ebay and amazon, and get rich rich rich!
nobody cares about your piddly recruitment commissions or diddly passive ROI’s. ALL the world begs for, is your stupendous “TRAINING”!
I wonder if you’ll walk back your oral diarrhea given the latest developments.
Not only are they rolling out the marketplace mentioned earlier (that Springboard was a beta for), they have allowed all users to made money with the springboards to keep the profits and those who haven’t yet sold items to pass them on to the company and receive their credits spent back.
Springboard has not been mentioned or used as any kind of recruitment incentive ever by the company and affiliates who used it in that manner were quickly addressed and not allowed anymore (which as predicted did result in some of them leaving, which is no loss to infinii imo).
And infinii DOES have retail pricing for the training at $49 for prime $149 for surge and $399 for excel. You do not need to join as an affiliate to purchase any of those.
And you can also join as a partner without any of those (meaning it is entirely possible for partner to join and start earning without being on autoship of the core product so there is no forced self consumption).
hrrmph. infinii has launched a frilly video and an announcement about:
well blah blah, no detailed comp plan yet. the infinii website mentions the three levels of joining at prime surge etc but no mention of springboard. the frilly video also doesn’t mention springboard.
so this is going to be another round of ‘compliance’ bullshit about how to make zillions from ecommerce, while hiding springboard in their corporate underpants.
such dishonesty! how can anyone trust juneja&co when they resort to such ‘secrecy’ in their ‘greatest platform’ for ecommerce.
so, is springboard going to continue or not?
yes, we all know the company line about ‘hush, dont speak about springboard, or the bad uncle from SEC will come calling’.
if no one speaks about springboard the company doesn’t publish anything about springboard how have affiliates subscribed to it?
and what is the price for affiliates?
please provide the company comp plan that says this.
so apparently springboard is off the table now. the ‘marketplace’ replaces it, though the ‘marketplace’ is not in reality a ‘replacement’ for springboard as it is not a ‘done for you’ business module.
the ‘marketplace’ entails infinii members sourcing products themselves or introducing vendors, who will supply discounted products to infinii members. members can select products and list them themselves, on ebay/amazon for sales and profits.
there is nothing wrong with this business module, and with springboard gone, infinii is now safe from ponzi allegations. good.
but pyramid allegations still stand, with infinii not having any retail price and hence no retail for its ‘training’ packages. pyramid allegations also still stand, due to all infinii members being required to be on autoship. these issues have not been addressed in the webinar on march 10th.
but now, there is a ‘done for you’ lead generation package being offered by infinii at 10$ and 19$ per month. there was talk about setting up of ‘co-ops’ for lead generation, without any explanation on how these co-ops would function. but there was a call to join the co-ops quickly before it became public, so i’m guessing joining early gets some benefit to members.
there was a secrety stinky poo odor arising from this talk of leads, co-ops and early birds, but as nothing was explained, we can only guess at what juneja&co are upto with this.
i hope these lead generation ‘co-ops’ are not some replacement for springboard, to keep people joining and staying in the system. with springboard gone, the non recruiting passive members have no reason to pay autoship. by holding out ‘online recruitment leads’ as a bait, infinii may keep them in the system longer.
juneja thinks it damn classy and awesome of the company to take unsold springboard products back. but remember, you are not getting cash back, only credits which you have to spend in infinii.
so people disappointed that springboard is no longer available, cannot leave the module without writing off their springboard losses. they may now spend their credits on lead generation in the hope of making some money off recruitment.
Can anyone explain how $2.4 billion in sales have been made in infinii?
I see banners and marketing videos every where talking about it.
I’ve never understood this myself.
I could sign up with DS Domination, go do my own dropshipping thing and somehow DS Domination knows what I’ve sold?
I know they had some listing plugins or something with DS Domination. Perhaps they just calculated the net retail of everything ever listed, regardless of whether it actually sold or not.
IMHO, “estimated” sales from MSRP extrapolated from a few “representative” merchants multiplified total number of past and present members.
Garbage in, garbage out.
juneja&co are trying to revive DS domination. there may be several reasons for this.
with springboard gone from infinii, affiliates will stop paying monthly autoship and drop out, recruitment will start slowing too. infinii has taken off mainly with russia bringing in almost 50% of the traffic on alexa, with the US traffic falling to third place behind kazakhstan, at about 10%.
the DSD alexa ratings show traffic going down and down, with around 40% of the traffic emerging from the US. i think the revival of DSD addresses this US traffic.
in a webinar published on march 20, 2016, there is some rambling talk about how infinii is about the international markets, and recruitment, and then mainly training, and about how difficult it is to sell on ebay and amazon as these ecommerce businesses are now over their growth phase and are now in the consolidation phase.
ramble ramble ramble blah. in short DSD may be a better option for their audience.
at another point in their rambling confusing webinar, they try to suggest to their audience that DSD and infinii should be done together for maximum mileage. yeah, that will double earnings for juneja&co!
the bottom line is that DSD will now offer:
– affiliate co-ops
– genesis product co-ops
so, you sign up for the affiliate co-op, and kevin hokoana will drive traffic to you, and do the follow ups for you, and you get the business. ie, ‘done for you’ lead generation.
similarly in the genesis product co-op, you select products DSD lines up for you, and they sell it for you, and voila the profits get credited to your account. hello springboard, i see your’e not dead, just reincarnated under DSD!!
so the canny cunning juneja&co, get infinii recruitment to grow vertically with the promise of springboard, but afraid of SEC ponzi questions, drop it after getting heat from reviewers like oz and vanderbuilt.
they slyly shift ‘springboard’ to DSD as ‘genesis’, to get recruitment going in the almost dead DSD.
and they are running lead co-ops in both DSD and infinii, as these ‘done for you’ leads have still not gotten public attention as being securities offerings.
these guys are going to suck every penny they can from DSD and infinii affiliates, before the well runs dry. despicable people.
at the beginning of the webinar, juneja says that there were no updates about DSD since november 2015, because his 5 year old son who suffers from cancer had a relapse, and he was busy in hospital and so had to ignore DSD.
well, the chump had plenty of time to launch his new project infinii didn’t he? he’s been on infinii webinars regularly hasn’t he? how disgusting to use his sons illness as an excuse for shafting DSD affiliates. despicable person.
i will not provide a link to the DSD [march 2016 webinar] here, but the co-ops are mentioned just fleetingly between the 16 and 19 minute timeline. this is the meat of the webinar, the rest is just rambling about ecommerce to try to project an image that they are an ecommerce company.
Sounds like they’re just making it up as they go along.
Obviously they put all their eggs in the Springboard offers basket, and now that that hasn’t worked out (because it’d be a Ponzi scheme), Infinii is adrift at sea.
They can’t really fall back on DSD Domination. Recruitment was dying there to begin with, which prompted the launch of Infinii in the first place.
Just an update from my side instead of wild speculation.
Most of the springboard items I had purchased sold, I got the profits for them along with paper trail showing the sale on amazon with the paper trail proving the sales and the income came from amazon sales and not from other infinii members (hence proving this never was and isn’t a ponzi).
Meanwhile I’m getting a lot of traction with the online marketing with Partner Plus which doesn’t have any commissions on it so you can’t claim it’s a pyramid of any kind.
Money in vs money out? You left that part out.
bullshit people dont do springboard any more john cronstent.
so many people quit this program months ago it just cant survive stop lying to yourself and to people.
believe it or not, in a webinar around the 1st of april, 2016, hitesh juneja announced that springboard is back up again in infinii.
these guys are like yo-yo’s bouncing back and forth, creating such a web of obfuscation and confusion, that neither their affiliates nor MLM followers can fathom what in shits name is going on anymore.
for some strange reason juneja is now calling springboard a ‘buyers club’ and by using such ‘nomenclature’ feels he can avoid scrutiny by MLM reviewers and regulators.
hello juneja, buyers clubs leverage member numbers to source products/services at a discount, they DO NOT sell these products/services FOR their members to generate FREE ROI’s. using half assed definitions of ‘buyers clubs’ will NOT help springboard to avoid regulatory interest!
it seems juneja&co are totally confused about their own business offering, and are just stringing affiliates along any which way they can think up. they put out these long-butt rambling webinars, in which they keep contradicting their own selves, and could have you in splits if you weren’t so busy trying to figure WHAT they are SAYING!!
seems DSD is not coming back to life:
seems infinii is also showing signs of slowing down:
the infinii recruitment frenzy which was powered by russian ponzi/pyramid gamers, seems to be petering out with russian traffic falling from nearly 50% to 39% over the last one month.
really juneja&co, you guys are a bunch of jokers, which would be cute if you weren’t crafty thieves.
So I’m confused. Have they gone back to offering unregistered securities or is this a “coming soon (again)” announcement?
well, who isn’t.
one week juneja&co say they dont speak much about springboard because affiliates run around promoting it incorrectly. the next week they say springboard is Off and affiliates can return unsold springboard products for credits.
then, the next week they say hey, springboard is On again because its a ‘buyers club’! it seems like both ends of their anatomy are fused together and whatever they say appears to be coming out their ass 🙂
maybe kevin thompson, their official ‘endorser’, can tell everybody once and for all, which way is up/down, since the infinii management seems completely incapable of holding on to any business model for more than a week at a time!
so, since not much info is forthcoming from infinii who are desperately flying under the radar to avoid regulatory attention, let’s take a look at their current alexa ratings which are a good indicator of whether they are gaining or losing traction in their recruitment drive.
infinii’s alexa ratings showed a steep initial growth, very possibly coinciding with a rapid recruitment into the scheme. this rapid recruitment was quite possibly due to pyramid scheme enthusiasts who followed them from juneja&co’s previous pyramid offerings like DSD and OD, and because of the scheme gaining some interest in russia.
after the steep rise in the alexa ratings for about 4 months, infinii has started reversing its graph.
if we check the life and death of DSD [drop shipping domination] via alexa ratings, we see that DSD started strong and maintained its position for around 4 months before descending into a death spiral. it never recovered and its entirely possible that infinii is heading for this same fate.
DSD alexa ratings:
since all the yo-yoing between ‘now we have springboard/now we don’t’ has not helped infinii grow as reflected in its alexa ratings, infinii has now announced changes in its comp plan.
in several webinars over the last week or so, infinii has announced increased recruitment commissions.
juneja talks about getting affiliates and ‘customers’, but ‘customers’ are also placed in the comp plan hierarchy. infinii also does not have any retail price, with the only difference between affiliates and ‘customers’ being that affiliates recruit and customers don’t.
this fresh attempt of juneja&co to keep infinii propped up, comes with a clarion call to affiliates to build the business with renewed vigour, and to call up all affiliates who have become inactive or left, to come back because of the new comp plan.
lets see if this works. if i were an infinii affiliate i would be thoroughly confused by the continuous changes made by the promoters in what appears to be directionless leadership.
infinii has now launched it’s ‘Marketplace’.
when infinii had launched its business back in dec, 2015, it had promised a ‘marketplace’ platform, where affiliates could buy products at discounted rates and sell them at retail on ecommerce platforms like amazon, ebay etc.
then infinii went and muddied the waters by announcing its ‘springboard’ scheme wherein infinii offered to sell these products for members, and hence offered a passive investment opportunity which was a ‘securities offering’ and could get them in trouble with the SEC.
since then, infinii has gone back and forth on this ‘springboard’ scheme, and i cannot confirm whether springboard is currently dead or alive.
the ‘marketplace’ in itself is a great idea – getting vendors to list their products at a discount, and allowing infinii affiliates to bring their own vendors onto the platform.
however the discounts available on the marketplace are tied to the membership ‘level’ of affiliates, and not to the ‘product sales’ of affiliates, and this is a problem. for example excel membership [high level -$400/pm] will give a higher discount than prime membership [middle level – $150/pm] or surge membership [low level $50/pm].
so, excel members who pay $400 [approx] monthly, will have to make enough profit from selling marketplace products, to cover this monthly autoship payment and the listing fees of platforms like amazon etc. also, not all marketplace products will have free shipping, so shipping costs will also have to be factored in too.
if only infinii would drop these commissionable monthly autoship payments, and reward affiliates only on the discounted products purchased [for self consumption or sale] by an affiliate and his downline. more sales could mean a higher level of discount for an affiliate!
but, the monthly autoship makes infinii a recruitment scam, inspite of a great idea like the marketplace.
Monthly affiliate fees tied to product discounts? Ruhroh…
so, what’s new with infinii you ask?
they have relaunced their failed options domination [OD] as ‘infinii digital signalforge’.
signalforge is selling ‘hands free’ options trading education and signals. it is a fully automated robotic system which ‘trades’ for you on the forex trading portal ‘binary.com’.
signalforgesolutions.com was registered in february, 2016 and is linked as a digital product offering of infinii. it’s pretty obvious that signalforge is not a third party product and is a creation of infinii management itself. the signalforge website does not mention whether it is registered to provide investment advice [as in signals] in the US or elsewhere.
the binary.com trading platform is registered in the british isle of mann, and its website clearly says that its services are not available in the US.
so, unless infinii wants to attract the SEC, they should not offer signalforge and binary.com to US affiliates at least. alexa shows that 37% of traffic to infinii is sourced from the US, so i don’t know how well that will work.
infinii members can purchase signal forge for $99/per month. if you are not already paying monthly membership to infinii, then you can purchase signalforge at $199 per month.
like infinii itself, signalforge is a monthly autoship pyramid scam.
juneja&co are just desperate to suck up as much affiliate funds as possible, before their infinii platform crash lands as all their previous enterprises did.
infinii is now in crash mode according to alexa:
it lasted just about an year, like juneja&co’s previous recruitment scams.
they rebooted the failing infinii as signal forge which took off in mid september and is already showing signs of plateauing.
the low alexa ranking also shows that it has nowhere near the popularity that infinii had in its early days. top infinii affiliates must have signed up with signal forge to make a second round of killings from monthy autoship commissions.
this reboot in the shape of signal forge will not last more than a few months at most.
i’m sure juneja&co have their drawing boards out for a fresh offering in 2017.
You must have read my mind, I was just thinking about these guys today and wondering what happened.
Maximum hype, nothing to back it up.