Bidify calls in lawyers on ex-CEO Albert Liske
What began as a day I thought I’d spend focusing my attention on analysis of the recent FTC bust of the Fortune Hi-Tech Marketing pyramid scheme with Herbalife’s business model, has quickly turned into covering the ongoing accusations between Bidify and former Bidsson CEO, Albert Liske.
Liske’s latest installment of the saga fires shots directly at the legitimacy of the Bidsson penny auction (which Bidify is the MLM business opportunity attached to), with Liske claiming that analysis of the Bidsson backend reveals an alarming number of “company won” auctions.
Providing screenshots of the Bidsson penny auction MYSQL database, Liske claims that as of August 2012 out of the 4853 won auctions on Bidsson only “a few hundred” products had actually been shipped.
Liske then had his team (who were at that stage handling shipping for Bidsson) look into the irregularity and writes:
Many of the top affiliates had not received the products they had won and Gold bars where even mysteriously going missing from the Norway shipping office.
What we discovered was that out of few hundred paid auctions won on the site less than 100 were actually shipped. Of those auctions many could not be accounted for by the guys in Norway office.
Putting aside the issue of unaccounted for auctions shipping wise (which in actuality dropped the actual number of shipped products to less than 100), the books placed the number of shipped products at 268.
With Bidify offering a cashout option on won products, Liske naturally assumed that these unaccounted for auctions had simply been traded for cash by those that won them.
Able to see the amount of cashed out auctions however in the Bidsson database, Liske reveals that only 1862 auctions ended in a cash out (or “sell back” as Bidsson referred to them).
Using simple math, Liske combines the 1862 cash out figure with the 268 shipped product figure to ascertain that Bidsson admin staff (bidding with illegitimate accounts against actual affiliate and customer bidders) must therefore have won the remaining 2723 auctions.
In his next update, Liske has stated he will
pull Hanns’s and other office workers IP addresses from Norway from the admin logs and cross reference them with Bidsson users that logged in to bid.
The PHP Penny Auction software records administrative login IP addresses and user IP addresses every time someone logs in.
We can use this information to also show the Bidsson administrators IP addresses as they logged into fake registered user accounts to place bids.
Obviously if the logged IP addresses from Bidify office workers show up repeatedly on the bidding account logins, that means that indeed Bidify were manipulating their Bidsson penny auctions.
Liske claims that this revelation ‘really is the smoking gun as administrators cannot log in to users accounts and book auto bidders to bid in auctions unless they are bidding against real users.’
Thus far Liske has delivered on his claim that he has proof backing up all of his explosive claims against the legitimacy of both Bidsson and Bidify. Liske has previously stated that Bidify management are well aware of the evidence he has in his possession and are now “terrified and desperate”.
After initially responding to Liske’s claims with a mountain of disparaging comments mostly attacking Liske’s credibility, now it seems Bidify have now focused their efforts on deploying their lawyers onto Liske.
Determined to put a stop to the continued publication of Liske’s evidence (including his smoking gun), Bidify’s lawyers over at Thompson Burton (headed up by MLM attorney Kevin Thompson) have only hours ago released the following official statement:
Reports have spread fast about the malicious efforts of a particular group within the Bidify organization.
While Bidify has been hesitant to engage in the mudslinging, which has been brewing since the termination of Albert Liske, it has become apparent that passively waiting is no longer an option.
As many of you know, there have been a number of challenges for Bidify since June primarily stemming from the change to its compensation plan.
There has been a sect of people that want Bidify to push a button and provide a refund on the digital equivalent of used inventory.
As stated in a prior communication, this is simply not possible. As a refresher, please review the language below, which was included in a communication sent out several months ago:
While we certainly understand the value of having people purchase sample bids and giving them away to generate customer activity, it has led to the wrong perception. And perception is reality.
Despite our efforts to require people to qualify for profit sharing, people, as they were doing in Zeek, were using the sample bid process as a way to earn passive income. This was inappropriate.
Due to the changes we had to make, people are under the impression that we have taken something away.
When we made the decision to eliminate the possibilty (sic) of purchasing sample bids, we had a unique challenge: how do we honor our commitments to the people that purchased the points and gave them away to customers like they were supposed to do?
We think we’ve reached the only available solution.
While the opportuinty (sic) to purchase sample bids has been eliminated going forward, we will continue to honor our commitments by paying commissions from Bidsson for those with remaining bonus points.
If you treated the transaction as an investment, it was never designed for such a function. If it’s your desire to recover the costs of participating in Bidify, this is the best solution.
After the change was implemented, growth stalled. Due to the sluggish growth, the participants from the older model have been accruing commissions ever so slowly.
It’s this frustration that has largely fueled recent efforts led by disgruntled executive, Albert Liske.
Bidify has not forgotten about the participants from the older model. Contrary to these reports, Bidify’s behaviors are inconsistent with those of a company looking to injure consumers.
Instead of disappearing, they’ve made the decision to stay and honor their commitments.
Bidify is prepared to fight to protect its business model and user base from false and malicious attacks. By way of litigation, the truth will be revealed about Liske’s true intentions.
-Thompson Burton Law Firm
Again dodging the meat of Liske’s claims, Thompson Burton instead attempt to shift focus away to Liske’s intentions, which I might add he’s already addressed:
It was suggested that I had a hacker past or that I somehow hacked the Bidify website. The only ex-criminal in this story is Frode.
This story seemed to surface towards the end of my employment with them as a cover story for our departure. I didn’t think much of it until I was recently made aware that this was the story Bidify management was circulating to it’s senior rep’s as to why I left.
According to Bidify however Liske is merely a “disgruntled executive” out to get the company. Short of the revelation that Liske was a Bidify affiliate and lost thousands of dollars in the scheme, I’m not really seeing how that makes much sense.
Following his resignation, why would Liske care what goes on inside the company?
Bidify has refuted Liske’s claim that he resigned, instead claiming they “severed ties” with Liske after learning about ‘his fraudulent dealings with‘ Bidify.
Raising doubt on this claim however is the fact that following Liske’s alleged resignation late last year, Bidify’s management put out a press release advising that the former Bidsson CEO had ‘broadcast a newsletter announcing his resignation‘ and that this had ‘come as a surprise‘ to them.
One would think that had Bidify themselves “severed ties” with Liske that this action would hardly come as a surprise to them, nevermind the fact that they openly acknowledge he resigned in their press release.
In any case it will be interesting to see what approach Thompson Burton take to silence Liske before he reveals any more damning information regarding the internal operations of both Bidify and Bidsson. If the proof Liske has thus far revealed is any indication, it’s not going to be as straight forward as they might hope.
Thus far Liske’s revelations have been one hell of an interesting read and from the sounds of it there’s still plenty more to come. The big question now I guess is whether or not we’ll get to read the rest of the story before Bidify attempt to silence Liske with legal action.
Update 30th January 2012 – Approximately two hours ago Liske published a new blog entry stating that he’d received a cease and desist letter from Kevin Thompson’s law firm Thompson Burton.
This Cease And Desist Letter was emailed to me today regarding the statements on this website by the law firm of Thompson Burton.
This letter was sent to me today by the folks representing Bidify. Apparently the information being posted on my website here has them worried and rightfully so.
Here is what I find interesting. I have evidence of a global financial crime, this is indisputable.
What kind of a world do we live in where a Law Firm (who is probably aware they are up to it’s eyeballs in this thing) sends out a cease and desist letter demanding the removal of evidence that clearly implicates it’s clients in a Fraudulent global ponzi scheme?
Not to mention the very same clients sent out an email only hours earlier slandering myself with a boat full of lies clearly designed at discrediting what I am posting.
Will I cease and desist? Certainly not! I will not rest until members start receiving refunds from these Criminals.
In fact I welcome the litigation they are threatening and will counter sue them on behalf of all the members who have invested into this scam.
The funny thing about the letter above and I really believe that this was intentional. Look at the name it is addressed to. The fact that it was spelled wrong invalidates this letter.
Despite Liske claiming that he won’t cease and desist, at the time of publication of this update the Bidify Fraud website has been pulled offline.
Liske had published the cease and desist letter from Thompson Burton in its entirety accompanying the blog post, however it was pulled offline before even Google had a chance to cache it so I’m unable to reproduce it here.
I haven’t been able to find any additional information on what exactly has happened so as of now I’m not sure why Liske pulled his site down.
Update 31st January 2012 – Liske has published an update claiming that after he learned of Bidify’s plans to hack Bidify Fraud, he moved the site over to a ‘bullet proof host and added some anti-ddos measures‘.
The resulting DNS update delay is the reason the site has been inaccessible for myself and others over the past 36 hours or so.
Additionally, in defiance of Thompson Burton’s cease and desist letter, Liske has continued to publish insider information on Bidify.
In his latest round of claims Liske claims that
- Companies claiming to sell legitimate “customers” to Bidify affiliates (Lisk names A1Customers as an example) were in fact selling nothing more than fake accounts created with bogus details (Lisk claims over 25,000 of these accounts exist in the Bidify customer database)
- The winner of the much publicised Bidsson Volkswagen car auction from mid last year was “misty”, a customer account that does not appear in the Bidsson customer database
- Frode Jorgensen and his “group” had a meeting in Norway last night and in the wake of Liske’s claims and publication of evidence are now planning to flee to Thailand
Liske provides screenshots referencing the first two claims however without analysis of the Bidify database no concrete proof is available. Being the ex-CEO of Bidsson however Liske’s posession of the Bidsson database is entirely plausible.
As for Frode and friends running of for Thailand, guess we’ll just have to wait and see what happens.
Liske has declared that Bidift Fraud ‘will not go offline until there is creditable news reports that all of these guys (Bidify management) are headed to jail’, and that he is currently ‘preparing the next round of evidence presentations‘.
Update 31st January 2012 – Liske has just published two new updates he claims exposes Bidify creating fake customers in their Bidsson penny auction.
At the forefrong of Liske’s claim is the company “BCustomers”. BCustomers (now defunct) was a website where Bidify affiliates could purchase Bidsson customers to dump their auction bids on, in order to generate points they then earned a 120 day ROI on.
On the BCustomers website the company claimed to be owned by an “IRG Ventures” and only accepted payment from Bidify affiliates via Skifri.
In addition to IRG Ventures being a “shell company” registered in the US state of Wyoming, Liske claims that
Skyfri is not a REAL payment processor. It is 100% front owned by Robin (Kenneth) Bakkejord to launder Bidify/Bidsson ponzi money through.
The Skyfri website does not have a real payment API that can accessed by outside parties. It is IMPOSSIBLE for anyone outside of Bidsson/Bidify to accept payments through this fake payment processor.
and concludes that BCustomers is in one way or another, owned and operated by none other than Bidify themselves.
Pulled straight from the Bidsson database, Liske also provides a screenshot showing the merchant accounts “billcusa”, “bcustlive” and “a1custlive”.
These accounts perportedly have “API access” to Bidsson, meaning they can login and create additional customers themselves. Liske is claiming that over 25,000+ fake customer accounts have been created through these three accounts.
“a1custlive” belongs to the aforementioned company “A1Customers” and I’d imagine “bcustlive” belongs to “BCustomers” (even with Bidify owning the account they still need API access to automate the creation of fake customers).
Liske isn’t sure who the third merchant account belongs to but I’d suspect it’s yet another third party who at the time were selling fake customers they were generating as well.
It is indeed a soap opera… but who’s gonna “drop the soap” at the end? 🙂 (research American slang if you don’t get it)
Operators of pyramid and Ponzi schemes like to threaten legal action against those who critizise them, in the hope that this will scare the critics into silence. However, these threats rarely come to anything, because the pyramidsters usually realise that such action will be worse for themselves.
If the pyramid/Ponzi critics stand their ground and the matter is taken to court, the court normally see the real facts, and the pyramidsters & ponzimeisters invariably lose.
If this should come before a US court, Mr. Liske should require that Frode Jørgensen appears as a witness.
“Fraudy” may find such a requirement rather embarassing, because of his 2 1/2 years pyramid scheme prison sentence from Norway, and because he has not paid the 50 000 USD fine which was issued by Kansas.
Frode Jørgensen and PlexPay network was fined 50 000 USD in connection with the Kansas Security Comissioner’s Cease and Desist Order against PlexPay.
It is also sobering to see that ‘the MLM Lawyer’ Kevin Thompson, who used to portray himself as a champion of ethics and legality in Multi-Level Marketing, is now acting as a soldier-for-hire for the Bidify pyramid/Ponzi scheme and an enforcer of ‘omerta’ for the convicted criminal Frode Jørgensen.
Article updated with information on Liske’s last blog entry. He received a cease and desist letter from Thompson Burton and as of now the Bidify Fraud website is offline.
Given Bidify’s current compensation plan, can’t say I’m too impressed with Kevin Thompson’s conduct here.
I can’t see the cease and desist “letter” being anything more than a request, which carries no legal weight.
I think perhaps it’s time for the ‘net community to band together to fund any actual court driven action which may eventuate from the Bidifys’ lawyers’ threats.
IM(very)HO, attempting to silence critics of HYIP ponzi scams has become far too commonplace of late.
Maybe it’s time to force one of these HYIPs and/or their “legal team” to either put up or shutup.
I simply refuse to believe the legal system in the U.S.A. can be so easily manipulated and abused as to allow this sort of nonsense to continue.
It’s online now. http://www.bidifyfraud.com/
Still nothing here…?
Note that all the key alelgations that Liske makes ring eerily familiar to the various discussions “the critics” have discussed as possible components to the penny auction scam.
Of course, as critics we never have actual proof, just logical deductions from available data. What’s so intriguing about Liske’s account is the level of detail and insider knowledge, i.e. “you can’t make this stuff up”.
If the admins logged in and bid in the auction, they made a dumb mistake. I’m not talking about the fraud, but the stupidity of having to log to do something when you own the platform.
A few lines of php code could auto-bid on behalf of any user, rather than requiring someone to login.
Albert Liske is denying his Name is in fact LLoyd Albert Liske, he was always going to deny it, because if he didn’t then who would believe him.
Trouble for Albert is there is proof that he in fact is LLoyd Albert Liske and I am sure this proof will come out. If he is willing to Lie about his identity then he is willing to lie about everything.
It would be very easy for him to prove his name, just scan his passport and post it here to prove it says his name is Albert. Oh that’s right he can’t do that because his passport states LLoyd Albert Liske on it.
Liske has been pretty forthcoming about the proof to back his claims.
If you’re going to make claims about Liske (which ultimately have nothing to do with Bidify and Bidsson and are just a red herring), then you’d better bring the proof your talking about.
The story about Lloyd Liske found on the internet is from a novel or something, “The CardMaster” by Kevin Poulsen. The story is about Max Butler, aka “Iceman” and several other aliases.
Lloyd Liske is mentioned in the text at ONE place:
A Canadian carder, from British Columbia, trying to hack Max Butler, a possible informant.
Another problem here is that the story looks very similar to a novel, a CyberCrime thriller. It was published in the “Kingpin” book (“Kingpin: How One Hacker Took Over the Billion-Dollar Cybercrime Underground [Paperback]”), and the author later extracted a part of it and published it in another place on the internet, wired.co.uk/magazine/. So the “Lloyd Liske” character might be a fictional one.
Where I found the story (link disabled):
The book found on amazon.com (link disabled):
It doesn’t matter who Liske’s identities are or his history if the data he is presenting is correct. The only time credibility plays an important role in a criminal or civil case is when there is lack of other evidence, such as “he said, she said”.
This is why cases like divorces, domestic abuse, or crimes that rely mostly on hard evidence can be succesfully defended against by showing that a witness may be unreliable.
As to Liske’s claim that the letter he received has his name spelled incorrectly, that’s immaterial. The substance is all that matters: was he the former CEO? Yes, then there is nothing to “invalidate”.
The lawyer could have sent him a letter and said “Dear Mr. Scumbag” and it wouldn’t invalidate anything from a legal perspective. If we are talking about contracts and financial transactions, that’s a different issue.
This is just a cease & desist, which has no real meaningful purpose either as you can bring forth a complaint in civil court in almost all cases without needing to first send a demand letter (only a few exceptions, not applicable here).
I could care less about Albert Liske’s past. He is not the one that stole and continues to steal (with the help of crooked legal council) millions from unsuspecting people.
If he has hard evidence that can expose scumbags like Frode Jorgenson and can help get some of the stolen money back then he is my new hero!
Looks like Frode finally pissed off the wrong person. Wonder if he learned the saying, keep your friends close and your enemies closer.
Is Bidify Fraud working for anyone else?
It was down all yesterday and then was working briefly just before I went to bed. I see Liske has made a few new entries and once again the site is down?
The site has worked every time for me all 3 days. I checked after your post yesterday and it came right up. Not sure why it’s not working for u?
If anyone else is having a problem, chime in, maybe we can all figure it out.
Hmm, there’s international DNS propagation issues or something. I seriously haven’t been able to access it outside of a brief period last night.
Google appears to be having trouble caching pages on the site but “Is it down for everyone or just me” is reporting it’s up.
Dunno what’s going on.
I suggested a couple of weeks ago to use Norwegian authorities (ØkoKrim) to shut Bidify down. I don’t think it will be a very good solution when it comes to the money, but it might bring an end to the frustration.
ØkoKrim wasn’t meant as an ADVISE when I first mentioned it. I knew people had started to get very frustrated, so I mentioned it as one of the possible methods they could use, to at least get some ANSWERS.
ØkoKrim was the agency investigating PlexPay, and prosecuting Frode Jørgensen and a few others in that case.
I’ll believe the best solution will be if one (or a few) of the investors can try to contact ØkoKrim with an overview of the story, and ask for some information from them on what to do in this case, information you can publish on the internet to inform other investors (or give to your upline/ downline or whatever).
Don’t drown them with hundreds of investors telling “unorganised stories” if you can avoid it. Ask them for general advise first, e.g. for whether or not people should contact them, which information you should send, HOW to send it, and so on. It’s not a good idea to drown people in work too early.
According to stories on the internet, some Americans used a method like that to shut PlexPay down in 2005. “Stories on the internet” was probably TalkGold or MMG, I don’t remember exactly where I found it in 2009 or 2010. According to the stories, the shutdown of PlexPay was INITIATED by a group of U.S. investors, after months of payment problems.
Norwegian authorities might be a solution when you have realized that Bidify won’t come back as a “Money Making Machine”, your money probably is lost, they’re only delaying the final collapse, they’re telling you BS most of the time, and you want clear answers rather than BS and false hopes.
I can probably provide more information if anyone asks for it, e.g. about what I consider to be an “overview of the story”, the information I believe you should send. But people should first have to decide whether ØkoKrim is an acceptable solution or not.
AFAIK, Norway don’t have a similar system as the U.S., e.g. using a Receiver, clawbacks, etc., and when Frode Jørgensen has been involved in something there’s usually very little money left to distribute to creditors. ZeekRewards was different in that way, it was halted while it still had money left.
Working now for me again. How strange.
Turns out it was DNS propagation delays.
Article updated with Liske’s latest claims and expalantion for Bidify Fraud’s apparent downtime.
Glad you have his site back online. But you forgot the best part of his update:
I wonder if Frode and co. will leave “The MLM Attorney” a forwarding address?
Uh, no I didn’t!
Article updated with further information from Liske regarding merchant accounts creating fake Bidsson customers.
bullshit Both of them i think are bad. If bidify want to hold its reputation Pls make a good comp With 190 caps and now my daily earnings even can’t afford my monthly fees. And our money is stuck in Towah last 3 months.
Don’t speak useless words anymore, if you really care about your affiliates Pls let us get the money what we deserved. Then the rumors will disappear.
I copied the excerpt I gave to bidifyfraud.com on my site at faithsloan.com and copied all of articles as well on to my blog.
Mr. Kevin T’s office sent me a cease and desist letter. I replied back about the silliness of it all and that his firm was representing Bidify and Frode. He didn’t personally send the C&D. His firm sent it. Nonetheless I addressed him in my reply. Of course he responded blah blah blah.
To think I followed him and read his writings and believed in his commitment to his wife and children. I believed he honestly believed in doing the right thing.
I know Kevin advised Bidify on doing the right thing but for them to tell me that Bidify was NOT what it was insulted my intelligence.
Bidify accepted $125,000 or $100,000 and $30,000 payments from members BEFORE it was let out that they were doing so. Then of course Frode got another privileged interview with Troy D and said no way this was happening. But Frode lied. It was happening. And that is when he introduced the $25000 cap.
In addition Frode still owes $50,000 here in the state for his role in that plexpay or whatever that scam deal was named and dare not venture on USA soil. I laughed and scoffed at that C&D form letter. Because if they would proceed with legal filings, where in the heck would it be filed? Iceland? Thailand? Norway?
Definitely not the USA because I have an email where Bidify wrote that they dismantled their USA corporation (shell corporation without substance) and was going offshore. That was announced at the time they announced business model 3 I believe … or was it model 4.
I took all articles down and had to explain to folks how it was NOT due to the C&D. It was because I drive folks to my blog to promote my primary MLM deal and other deals and that Bidify crap was good reading but adversely affected my ability to build businesses.
Who gives a rat’s booty about a C&D order.
Here is my response
RESPONSE FROM KEVIN:
Ya know … I remember when folks were concerned that Bidify was a Zeek clone. The leaders told us otherwise. I even stated otherwise because I went against my typical modus operandi and towed the company line.
Kevin and Bidify / Frode told us via emails that we have absolutely nothing to worry about. It was stated that Bidify was on solid legal ground and no way are we in jeopardy of being out of compliance in the USA. We were affirmed that the model was solid and there were over 100,000 customers rah rah rah.
But guess what? As soon as Zeek bit the dust and got spanked, they rushed to changed the model.
Guess what they told us. I ain’t kidding… If it looks like a duck and quack like a duck then the authorities will think it is a duck. Thus we are announcing a temporary shutdown and we are working tirelessly to change the comp plan. That was comp plan/biz model #2.
WAIT A MINUTE! Kevin! Frode! Ya’ll told us we were copacetic! Ya’ll told us we were on solid legal ground. Shucks! Kevin, you signed off publicly in writing on the intial compensation plan. And then a sudden 360 degree?
Well I may not be the brightest light bulb on the planet but that in itself STANK like DOO-DOO on a hot summer day in Arizona.
Bidify is a sham! And yes, I could care less about the breach of distributor contract claim in the C&D order. Shucks with 16000 euros in my back office, I am only making 98 cents a day with 1 cents being my valuable founder’s bonus.
I did profit and would be willing to give those few thousand back to folks That 16,000 aint nothing but virtual money.
My heart goes out to the guy with 1600 in that bucket. He is making a measly 10cents a day. And YES! WE LOVE BIDIFY!
By the way, I have been threatened online in the past 15 years by complete anonymous strangers who has absolutely no relationship or connection with me much worst than a silly form letter asking me to cease and desist. That’s toilet paper to me.
here is the letter sent to Bidify members about the resignation of Albert and Chris
Uh seriously? Liske is holding all the cards and has pretty much disseminated damning evidence against Bidify and Bidsson in a manner that roughly resembles Niagra falls.
Anyone who thinks Bidify are somehow in control of what Liske is publishing over at BidifyFraud would appear to be in a great deal of denial.
I don’t envy KT’s position. He got a retainer, he’s obligated to help Bidify, even if it comes to C&D letters and other stuff that can essentially be painted as “shutting up the critics”.
Too bad Bidify didn’t make Liske and such sign a NDA or gag order before departure. 😀 This airing of dirty laundry is a spectacle. Add the Herbalife and FHTM drama, and it’s one busy January.
Kevin Thompson has always presented himself to me as an open, honest, and ethical man. So I am finished with all of this. I will back out of this Bidify public bashing
Frode has not delivered on his promises over the last year. That is simple factual information. I am okay with it. I can’t control external entities and I won’t focus on those.
You know how I feel. Bidify knows how I feel. Kevin knows how I feel. There is no emotional anger involved here. I am Faith and I shall continue to do what I do.
With that said, I wish everyone the best in their future endeavours.
Towah is a thief Hold my money for 3 months.
I don’t know how long i still need to wait, i think we should put it into justice.
From what I been reading above it seems like I should make sure that if Kevin Thompson is legal council for any company
should I be Leary of joining? What is your opinion
I just don’t know why Kevin’s legal people won’t give it a rest with their empty threats. I took anything about Bidify’s scam off of my site because I am much too busy to focus on this crap.
But nooooo. GVO just sent me a FYI email which they are taking just as seriously as I am. And that is with a grain of salt.
Kevin’s law firm sent a letter to Time Warner who hosts GVO at the top level and GVO sent me this.
Keep in mind that I took that garbage Bidify crap off of my site last week and they sent this to Time Warner AFTER I told they the crap was off of my site.
I guess since they couldn’t tell ME what to do, they thought maybe they could tell GVO what to do. Silly boys.
Bidify is what it is and there is nothing they can tell the members that would make them believe otherwise. While they are chasing websites and threatening them with cease and desist orders, they should be cleaning up their dirty Bidify house.
Here is my reply back to GVO…
Now the more they continue this vendetta against me, the more they will expose themselves. Methinks they’d do better off spending their time paying the Bidify members.
Back to what I was doing …
@ Faith regarding Kevin Thompson’s response,
Sorry Kevin, it’s called a refund, not a bait and switch. Bidify has only worked tirelessly at finding ways to get people to continue to add new funds to their black hole while paying nobody. That’s the realty.
No, the victims have rumor and speculation (all bad by the way). After all these months their legal council should have answers.
OMG, tell me you didn’t really say that! Why not just say the good news is Frode is enjoying your money. The bad news is he will never give it back.
Maybe he should write that 20,000 times and send it to every victim his client screwed. In the meantime what he’s done is say “take your opinions off the internet and adhere to my cease and desist letter or I will sue you. But hey, nothing personal and of course, no hard feelings”.
If their threats had any merit, there would be no behindmlm, no blogs, no moneymakergroup nor talkgold, no scam.com or ripoffreport.com. Shucks! There are sites bashing paypal, at&t, comcast cable and other corporate moguls.
blah blah blah…
You can NOT stifle freedom of speech.
If so, i would be issuing a ton of cease and desist order myself. LOL Instead I prefer to yawn.
In my opinion, for which I am entitled, what needs to be brought out in the open is the HUGE role certain attorneys have taken in perpetuating these ponzi schemes.
I believe lawyers should represent their clients and guide them from behind the scenes with legal advice and representation when needed. Not play the PR front man and bless their programs during pre-launch. Does anyone remember the videos of Kevin Thompson on a cruise ship to Iceland with Frode Jorgenson? They acted like best friends while Thompson fully endorsed both Frode and Bidify assuring everyone Bidify was 100% compliant in the US and elsewhere. Thanks Kevin, that video cost me thousands and collectively from others made Bidify hundreds of thousands more.
So where is the lawyers accountability in any of this? Does the money they make not come from the ill-gotten gains of the victims? All the ponzi’s parade their lawyers names across their websites and marketing info. Promoters include their names in their emails. Here is a direct piece of info from the old Zeek News.
“Every affiliate of Zeek can feel absolutely secure knowing that Zeek Rewards is totally legal in every way and will continue to meet the highest legal standards of the industry.”
“MLM Attorneys Gerald Nehra & Richard Waak – Hired to ensure compliance in all aspects”
“Dr. Keith Laggos – Hired to review and modify Zeek compensation plan”
“Greg Caldwell – WhiteHat Solutions aka Direct Sales Compliance to fight cyber fraud and compliance issues”
“Bonefant & Weinberg – SEC and MLM Attorneys hired to cover all Securities and Exchange Commission compliance”
“Howard Kaplan – Tax Attorney and IRS Specialist to handle all tax compliance”
And where does it end? Now you have Dave Kettner of past Zeek and TVI Express fame touting Kevin Grimes as the attorney behind his latest ponzi, Vicesus.
Keith Laggos is being verbally rumored to be involved with Offer Hub (no proof yet).
And of course the ongoing mess with Bidify and Kevin Thompson. Do these lawyers scour the internet looking for new clients? When I questioned Kevin Thompson on his choice of clientele he responded to me with this analogy, “If it weren’t for sick people, doctors would have no patients.” So I guess he believes he is on par with a profession that saves lives!
My advice to anyone considering any program is, do not be influenced by who their attorneys are as they represent the company’s interests, not yours (Faith Sloan just discovered that). And when a company has to promote their attorney to create the “illusion of credibility” then they obviously don’t have any credibility on there own.
Getting involved with company’s or programs that any of these named MLM attorneys represent may just be a one-way ticket to nowhere.
The horse has bolted on this one.
Bidify had the option to contain it when they said they’d put out “an explanation” for Liske’s departure back when he left.
They never did that and instead hoped everyone would forget about it. That partially worked for the general public, but they then started telling porky pies to their affiliates who wouldn’t let it go.
Liske seems to have caught wind of what was being said about him and the end result is the situation we have now with Thompson trying to contain it.
Short of sending out cease and desist letters and trying to silence the evidence against them, nothing thus far released by the company has countered any of Liske’s claims.
They’re free of course at any time to do so but I think the reasonable timeframe they’d have done so if they had anything to prove him wrong with has already and come and gone.
Time to come clean?
So the key is to be sure you know that whatever you are saying is indeed the truth. And I stand by that 100% without any doubt!
K. Chang it sounds like you have a soft spot for the position Kevin Thompson is in.
Watching how he operates against the truth to protect the criminal makes me sick! I could give a damn about his position. He was paid to take this position.
Oz is correct (as usual).
It is time for Bidify to come clean!
Time for Feds to shut this fake company down!
Time for the the law to put Frode Jorgenson back behind bars for a much longer time!
Time for the victims to start the healing process and get some of their money returned.
And time for Kevin Thompson to get rid of the stain on his reputation known as Bidify!
Albert Liske has blown the lid of their scam and rallied those who knew the truth but couldn’t prove it. Thank you Albert for having the courage to not be intimidated.
Kevin Thompson can stick his threats where the sun don’t shine. Thanks Faith Sloan for posting his actions and exposing the lengths he will go to stop the truth from being found out.
As far as I’m concerned he continues to prove my points that he is no better than the criminals he represents.
Freedom of speech and expressing your opinion is a beautiful thing… Albert Liske producing cold, hard evidence is the musical score that is bringing us to our feet for a standing ovation!
Maybe Kevin Thompson should have thought of that before he stuck his neck out for a buck.
And by the way, I love his position. It’s called BUSTED!
One needs to understand spin doctoring to realize so called “industry experts” have a ready made excuse when one of these things goes belly up.
Read carefully what is being said.
All of them specify they have seen the “comp. plan” and IT is compliant.
They then wash their hands of the fact their client is doing the complete opposite of what is in the plan.
Could it ever be proven in a court of law the “experts” new all along ???
Should it make the public wary of any “opportunity” which finds it necessary to include the “our lawyer says we’re compliant” justification in their sales pitch ???
Hang around the pseudo MLM and get-rich-quick scene long enough and you’ll quickly realize these cease and desist letters are a dime a dozen and follow up action is virtually non existent.
Aside from the obvious jurisdictional problems, can you imagine Frode Jørgensen getting anywhere near a court voluntarily ???
One can only imagine Mr Thompson considered the damage defending Frode Jørgensen would do to his standing in the MLM industry before he embarked on his “cease and desist” campaign.
Maybe he knows something we don’t.
Somewhat. He’s one of the few MLM attorneys who recognizes that the industry is due for a sharper line between scam and legit.
That’s one of the reason Herb Greenberg interviewed him, not G&R or N&W, both of whom have been associated with Zeek. The only other MLM attorney that comes to mind is Babener.
And it’s suspected that KT has a hand in Funky Shark’s exit… though obviously such suspicion can neither be confirmed or denied.
I lost a lot of respect for MLM attorneys during the whole Zeek fiasco.
Those not openly supporting the company only came out of the woodwork after the collapse, the hell was everyone before shit went down?
Hehe, much like closing the barn doors AFTER the horses escaped, hmmm?
Which is why I really like Randy Schroeder (of Mona Vie). He was pretty viciously maligned after he pointed at Zeek and said “Ponzi scheme” to thousands of people by wide variety of people (though he said it AFTER us), but he’s not an attorney.
On the other hand, attorneys are usually only heard when you need them such as Cease and Desist, legal motions, and trials. Denouncing illegal schemes should really be the job of DSA, and they really dropped the ball, and the government picked it up.
Lol Liske just escalated his efforts and has put out two videos.
Pretty well done I reckon, although I hope they have some takedown armour because I can hear KevTo drafting up papers as we speak.
And anyone know if that’s actually David Johnson in the photos (or Liske?). I actually dunno what either of these guys looks like.
Amazing isn’t it?
Notice how his name is missing on all the threat letters? Looks to me like damage control to keep his name out of it. Too little, too late.
If that’s true then maybe he should stop blurring innocent victims vision. His video endorsement of Bidify cost many people a ton of money. I hope KT got more than a free trip out of it because Frode cashed in BIG!
I just sent a tweet to my 5,000 followers and posted the second video on my Facebook wall to thousands more.
Careful Oz, once KT finds out you re-posted them your name may be on one of them. LOL
there’s a flock of pigs flying by.
I am not sure how to word this properly so I will simply write it as it comes to mind.
If “honest” lawyers representing a company (in this case, Bidify) become aware of criminal acts taking place within the company, is it not their duty to help protect the people being scammed or at least resign from their contract for some kind of breach of trust or not wanting to partake in such business behaviours?
Would an “honest” lawyer put his good reputation at risk?
Surely one would imagine that lawyers would have some kind of back up document that would release them from a contract if they suspected any kind of fraud or criminal activity.
If Bidify is proven to be a scam and all the dirty laundry gets aired on the line, would it not be in the best interest of the law firm to not support the scammers involved?
Lol that didn’t take long. Videos are down!
marco, for justice to be served it is essential to ensure fair representation to all parties. if a lawyer were to deny a representation to a person, because he became aware of fraud, then this would be tantamount to prejudging the case before it reached a court.
to serve their profession lawyers have to be dispassionate, just like a doctor who operates upon a convicted murderer, is sworn to save his life .
The big difference is that the doctor didn’t solicit convicted murders as patients so he could save their lives down the road when the inevitable occurred.
@ B Radison
After reading everything over these past weeks I have come to a conclusion that any company new or old who has to show you who there lawyers are so to prompt you to join is not worth the paper its written on.
I wouldn’t trust any of them and would advise as many people I can reach to stay away from all these money games because I believe the lie starts at the top and camouflage by the lawyers.
So please take my advice keep the cash in your pocket and enjoy what you have instead of giving it to what I believe are arch criminals. But that’s my opinion and I am entitled to it
It sucks.Now it is very quiet. No updates on bidify and no agency to shut down this company and Towah still don’t pay us.
Why let this frustrated thing happen. Pls die completely.
I have offered more information about Norwegian authorities, e.g. ØkoKrim. It will probably be the correct solution if you want to shut Bidify down. But I will not “push” that solution onto anyone.
ØkoKrim is simply a specialised police authority, handling financial crimes and environmental crimes. They’re probably the correct authority if you want the case to be investigated, the organisers to be interrogated, accounts to be frozen, websites to be shut down and other typical police actions.
The money invested in Bidify is probably lost. The company has been kept artificially alive since Zeek’s shutdown, trying to delay the final collapse. The longer they can delay the final collapse, the more difficult it will be to trace any money.
TOWAH’S EXACT ROLE?
I haven’t been able to identify Towah’s exact role in this. Towah probably has SOME of the investors’ money in frozen accounts, but most of the money in the eWallets was probably “numbers on a screen”, virtual funds rather than real money.
“FOG OF WAR”
For people familiar with old strategy games, they should probably try to remove some of the remaining “fog of war”. “Fog of war” is about “unknown territory” in a playing field, or “currently unknown information”. The fog of war makes it more difficult to make decisions.
“Fog of War” is usually about lack of information about something, or about misleading information. Removing “Fog of War” is about finding the correct pieces in the information picture. Bringing in some information will probably help people to see things clearer.
The old news stories (in Norwegian) about Plexpay can be found by googling “Plexpay dom” or “Frode Jørgensen Plexpay”. Here’s some of the stories (use Google translate):
11 other related stories can be found via the same article.
One of the stories I found was “Trondheim Police wants to come in contact with Plexpay investors”. Only 10 people had filed any complaints to the police.
PlexPay had some similarities with Bidify. Before the final collapse, it had different “payment problems” (it didn’t pay the investors, only the top leaders). Frode Jørgensen and Jarle Johansen tried to grab as much money for themselves as possible, e.g. by spending the network’s money on luxury cars.
Different sources operates with around 16,700 investors, around $35-$40 million total investments (not counting any virtual currencies), $5.2-$7.6 million frozen in accounts in a local bank and in Loyal Bank (Netherlands Antilles).
Local investigation was done by the local police authority, Trondheim Politidistrikt. Freezing of foreign accounts was probably organised by ØkoKrim.
FOG OF WAR
Removing “Fog of War” is usually not about details. It’s about getting an overview over the situation, in order to make better decisions.
The leaders will usually try to add more “Fog of War” to make it more difficult to make decisions. The typical strategy is to send out false hope information, e.g. “Your money is only temporarily unavailable”.
A famous quote (Gregory James Kennedy, WGI):
“Confidence is high that everyone will get paid before Christmas.”
Me and my downline have put into bidify over 20000 EU almost a year ago. We never saw back a cent from them.
Their new compensation plan is such a lie, since you have to buy each month PV and pay admin fee which leaves you without any compensation until your money is totally eaten so you can’t pay the bills anymore and not eligible for more payment.
IT IS SURELY A FRAUD. I’m crying along with my entire downline.
BidifyFraud web site being shut down:
Now the question is:
Was Mr Liske silenced by threats of legal actions (a.k.a. SLAPP) from Frode Jørgensen’s ‘omerta’ enforcers (Kevin Thompson and Cole Dowsley)?
Has he been promised a cut of Fraudy’s Bidify loot, stashed away in an offshore money laundering haven?
It might be a good idea to do a ‘Save’ of the BidifyFraud pages …
Looks like 1 of 2 things:
Either Liske was paid off or Frode has something on Liske.
Liske is a shill with an ulterior motive. HA!
Unfortunately for him and Bidify, everything on his blog is recorded in history.
Looks like the 2 top Bidify leaders just started their own 2×2 deal. Glory be!
“Leaders”, eh? Guess leopard can’t change its spots?
Well, they realized they weren’t going to make any money in Bidify and moved on to more lucrative scams. I’m sure you can relate.
What is this latest 2×2 scam so people can be warned?
2leads2cash. nothing spectacular, just a 3 or 4 level 2×2 matrix deal. yawwnnn…
‘Strozdegoz’ (Dirson Eduardo Jimenez … something) is pushing 2leads2cash intensely on the MoneyLoserGroup forum, as well as a number of other web pages. ‘Mick97’ is also pushing this pyramid scheme on MLG.
2leads2cash is a simple pyramid scheme of the ‘cycler’ variety, without ‘product’ camouflage, and complete with anonymous management and ‘Domains by Proxy’ registration.
‘Strozdegoz’ (a.k.a. ‘Manolo’ on TalkGold) was one of the most active pushers of the Bidify pyramid/ponzi scam from day 1 (he actually started, and dominated, the Bidfy threads on both MoneyLoserGroup and TalkGold).
‘Mick97’ was also a very active Bidify pusher.
From their postings, it is obvious that they have very close connections to the Bidify management, led by convicted criminal Frode Jørgensen (2 1/2 years prison sentence for establishing and operating an illegal pyramid scheme).
Therefore, it is tempting to believe that people from the Bidify management are involved in running the 2leads2cash pyramid scam.
As an early and highly active Bidify pusher, ‘Strozdegoz’ can be credited with making a large number of gullible people join Bidify and lose their money, stuffing his own pockets in the process.
His intense promoting of 2leads2cash is thus a solid mark of quality …..
However, a look at the ‘Daily Reach’ curve for 2leads2cash at alexa,com shows that this pyramid scheme stared out weakly in early February and has been in consistent decline afterwards, so it will probably collapse very soon.
Bidify management has absolutely nothing to do with 2leads2cash.
So ‘…tempting to believe…’ simply means you are tempted to believe. But your logic is extremely fallible. It is not tempting to believe because I know who owns 2leads2cash.
If we can focus on facts rather than speculation and assumptions to make something ‘…tempting to believe…’, the conversation would be much more fruitful.
But it is rather tempting to believe that Santa Claus will climb down my chimney before end of year because there is supposedly some connection there.
I personally doubt Stroz has *direct* connection to any other scheme, other than some sort of informal “network” of HYIP promoters that lets other promoters know of new “opportunities” they can push and jump in first.
Of course, I have no idea whether DOJ would view that as a “conspiracy to commit fraud” or not. 😀
I am not tempted to believe anything except the sky can be either light blue, blue, gray, white, and at times pink. Gosh! I am also tempted to believe it is fire red if I choose to believe so.
Is Bidify/Bidsson dead now? Seems like all the so called corporate updates about “Being here to stay etc…” was just a bunch of mumbo jumbo.
Did Bidify run away with the monies they owe everyone?
Yes Marco. Yes they have the money too.
An associate contacted me because she tried to take her money out of Towah via a bank wire transfer. Towah sent her an email saying that there has been so much fraud that they will not honor her withdrawal.
That basically means that Towah the crooks are keeping her money. And we all KNOW that the owner of Towah and Frode, owner of Bidify are ‘friends’ and has been for years.
So Towah says it is Bidify’s fault and Bidify wrote this on 06February2013
And remember that Kevin Thompson wrote this in answer to my 30January2013 email:
So my associate received this on 03April2013:
This has been going on for 7 or 8 months? Not only that, Bidify has a button in the backoffice which allows members to WITHDRAW TO TOWAH!
So much for severing all ties. Doesn’t appear that Bidify is legally addressing the issue. Looks more as if they are COMPLICIT in the CRIME.
So I wonder if Kevin still believes “At some point, I’m confident that Towah, whether voluntarily or forcefully, will open it back up.” and whether he as their retained counsel has initiated any legal action against Towah for this CRIME.
Silly me… OF COURSE NOT!
Lloyd Albert “Liske” is actually an alias as well. His true name is Lloyd Albert BUCKELL DOB March 24, 1980. He has a twin brother who’s named William BUCKELL. Do your research people.
You say that Liske has an alias because Frode and his minions says so in an email letter to their members? I wouldn’t believe anything either of them have to say.
Bidify is a fraud. What they say means nothing to me. And Liske is complicit so what he says means nothing to me.
What i do know is that Liske is involved with PennyAuctionWizards. Whatever!
Actually – His name is in fact Lloyd Albert BUCKELL DOB March 24, 1980. Look that one up. Even more fun if you have access to criminal records for Ontario (probably all of Canada now)