All In One Profits Review: 2nd “sale” cash gifting
All In One Profits warn visitors to their site that
There are Plenty of high paying compensation plans out there, but they all have one major flaw…bad product.
There are Plenty of good products out there, but they all have one major flaw…bad or low compensation plan.
The only way to make a Long Term, Solid Income is finding a product or service that has Real Value by itself and a Very Good Pay plan.
Unfortunately, All In One Profits seems to suffer from both these problems.
Read on for a full review of the All In One Profits MLM opportunity.
The Company
All In One Profits names two owners of the company, Jesus Johan Van Geffen and Isabela Capsuna.
Van Geffen (photo left) and Capsuna (photo right) claim that All In One Profits is based in and operating out of the Netherlands as this is where its two founders live.
Capsuna appears to have been involved in several low-key recruitment based scams in the past whereas there’s not much of a history for Johan Van Geffen available.
Being based in the Netherlands, this may or may not have something to do with the pair primarily marketing in another language (Dutch).
The All In One Profits Product Line
All In One Profits have no products or services available at a retail level. All In One Profits confirm this by stating what their members are selling in the company FAQ:
AIOP sells membership.
You will just need to join, activate your account and then share your AIOP.com referral link with others.
The more You will refer, the more money you will earn .
Instead of selling products or services, All In One Profits members sell membership and the income opportunity itself to new members. Bundled with each membership are web hosting, some marketing services and a bunch of ebooks.
The web hosting is interesting as they list it as a premium service which would mean there’s an ongoing monthly cost. That said the company provides no further information as to which hosting provider they are using (All In One Profits are obviously not providing web hosting themselves).
The All In One Profits website itself appears to be hosted at HostGator through re-seller so perhaps they have some sort of deal with this affiliate (or HostGator itself).
The All In One Profits Compensation Plan
The All In One compensation plan revolves around the simple concept that for every odd-numbered new member you recruit, you will earn a 100% commission of $10 a month.
Every even-numbered new member you recruit is paid up to your upline and in turn, every even-numbered recruit one of the members you’ve recruited passes up their even-numbered member commissions each month.
Joining All In One Profits
Membership to All In One Profits is a flat rate of $10 a month with a $1.50 “processor fee”.
Thus participation in the All In One Profits opportunity will set you back $11.50 a month.
Conclusion
The All In One Profits compensation plan clearly illustrates that members are just shuffling around membership fees amongst themselves.
The more savvy of you will have noted that in paying out 100% commissions to members ($10 each), the company itself makes no money.
All In One Profit’s FAQ states:
Q: Do you have admin fee?
A: NO we don`t have admin fee, we pay back 100% commission to you.
However the same FAQ makes mention of a $1.50 processor fee. Presumably this $1.50 is where the company itself makes its money.
What’s curious about this is that the company appears to be somehow covering the cost of providing premium web hosting to its members and turning a profit out of this $1.50.
How that’s sustainable (or even possible) is a mystery to me. $1.50 won’t get you much of a hosting plan, let alone leave anything left over for profit.
I suppose in the end it doesn’t really matter though. You join, you recruit and money gets shuffled around.
All we’re looking at here is a simple cash gifting opportunity folks.
One rule of reviews and comments regarding a product or a company is to try the product or the services BEFORE.
The review above shows a lack of information and professionalism from your part. Did you try to use our products, which are OURS part of them ?
Unless you will not provide very fast proofs regarding me as scam recruiter and all the false and missleading acusations in the so called review above we will inform the authorized legal insitutions. And my lawyers.
More important here is the fact that you misslead the readers by twisting parts of the text on our site.
1. Now explain why you use Jesus name when you name Johan ?
Have a problem with people choosing to wear long hair? What has this with the review?
2. You must prove and show my lawyers legal proofs regarding the fact that i was involved in “low-key recruitment based scams”. All the programs our team worked are still on the market, are reliable programs and the owners will be informed about them being called scams. We just chose to work on our program, no other reason to relate my name of scams and this will be solved on legal ways.
This is a promise. Also before making the comments you should find from our team members if were scams or not.
3. You claim that our program is a cash gifting. Did you do your research previous? Is not a cash gifting but maybe you need to find what is a Reverse system and how it works.
This program was made for our team first of all. To give them all the tools gathered in the same place, and the how to videos and training and products that will be added.That is why was opened by invitation ONLY!
And to give them a compensation plan that helps them finally make some money. If we would pay less commission wouldn`t be a cash gifting? Just because is less to the members?
There are a lot of serious programs there paying maybe 100% back. At least we saw some reliable companies.
What about Empowernetwork? is clear member from member right in the member bank account? Is a cash gifiting? Maybe, but is one of the best programs ever made.And people happy making money.
4.Yes we are direct resellers from Hostgator this is really a very serious and competitive webhosting provider. Premium!
The Autoresponder is ours, we bought the script and improved it making it professional Double opt-in most of all we protected it from spammers as much as we could with some features we added. Hostgator has very strict rules about this and we are happy with this. The tracker and rotator and downline builder are scripts we bought.
What makes JobFreeZone and Stiforp different as products? WE checked them before. The fact that they dont pay back 100%?
That is their choice, our choice is related to our team emmbers.
5.It is real that at least the hosting quality and the Autoresponder makes a value by itself and we combined this with the 100% commission payback. But we added also more and we will add more for our team.
They are using the hosting and the autoresponder and the other products. We did our job of leaders. This is what we should do, take care of our members, help and teach them how to build a business online.Any business online. This is the purpose of our membership site.That is why we call it a business in a box.
6. Did you try our program before making a review ? To show the professionalism you are supposed to have.
7. WE dont make profit from $1.50 that is the Alertpay fee they take for the payments when we receive them.
We make profit as everyone else being in the system, we need to team up, and was OUR choice to pay back 100% commision, pay the hostings for products and instead of waiting for others to make money for us as leaders we work side by side with our team members.
The Autoresponder will be a stand alone product and yes, there we will make profit in the future by selling the service to non AIOP members.
8. We will ad 2 levels upgrade where we will NOT give 100% commission. We pay 100% money back at basic level because is not much $10 and if we pay less will be harder to for members. We will make profit then with the upgraded levels.
I will contact Paul Skulitz and Carlos Widen and Terry Cuthbert the owners of the programs we worked with, to see what they will say abut the scams you say i recruited for.
Also i will wait 48 hours before my lawyers will contact you with the legal issues regarding using my name in such an insulting manner which is affecting my image. This time will be enough to join our program on my expenses and see it from inside and after that MAKE A REAL review. Just contact me via admin to cover the fee for you.
The treat is on me, from my future profit coming from upgrades and from Autoresponder separte services.
This is not Right… Isabella is a Honest and Trustworthy Network Marketer she has been Networking Online for many Years and she is not a Scam Artist.
Infinity Downline does the same thing and Peter Wolfing has made Millions of Dollars Giving Away 100% Commissions if you are Serious about this Article… Writer you need to do your Research and Have Back-Up For your Claims…
If a company chooses to Give 1% Commissions or 100% Commission it is there choice if they want to be Generous and Give the whole Boat Away for $10.00 a Month at ALL IN ONE Profits how are they Scamming People…
I suggest you remove this post before you are contacted by this companies Lawyers as you are playing with Fire Friend.
@Isabela
I don’t review products, I review businesses. That means business models, where the money goes in and where it goes out. I do look at the viability of the product within this context, but never review the products alone.
None of which requires participation or the joining of a company.
A google search of your name was used to establish this. You credit yourself as are the owner of Leverage2Prosperity (recruitment scam) and you’ve been involved in ‘BuildMyDownline’ (recruitment scam):
On Bizoppers you reccommend ‘Pay2Up’ (recruitment scam):
On your blog ‘Iluvprofitshares‘ you personally promote ‘Gulf Reserve’, which is a now defunct ponzi scam that claimed to pay out 1.2-4% daily and 105% weekly ROIs.
On your ‘Home Based Business Profile’ you promote several recruitment scams, Riptide Army (now defunct), PowerPath Global, Freeway2Success, Supreme2x2 and QuickCashBuzz:
I’m using the term ‘recruitment scam’ loosely to describe any opportunity where recruitment is required to generate commissions (either direct recruitment or passively through someone else).
That enough scams for you?
Team members don’t make an opportunity a scam or not, where the commissions come from do. If it requires recruitmnt to earn (passively or indirectly), it’s a scam.
Call it whatever you want. If I join your company and 100% of my membership fee goes to another company member, that’s a cash gift.
Most definitely, as you’d be establishing some actual product worth something that your members were selling. Whether the opportunity still relied on recruitment or not is another matter.
How are you providing Hostgator hosting without charging members directly? Or do they have to sign up for it out of their own pocket? Why do you fail to mention this on your website? It’s very much presented as hosting comes with membership.
Membership is not a business – this is your problem. Your members shuffle money amongst themselves and pay nothing for any product or service.
Ah so the company itself makes nothing but you have inserted yourself at the top as a recruiter. So you, as company owner, make 100% of your commissions on the recruitment of others…?
This proves you aren’t running a recruitment scam how?
Irrelevant, gunna wanna shuda – all that’s relevant is All In One’s business model as it stands now.
Isabella, you claim to have services of a lawyer, yes?
Is he qualified to comment on legality or illegality of business? In other words, is he a MLM lawyer, like Kevin Grimes, Gerald Nehra, Kevin Thompson, and so on?
If not, have you sought advice of such a MLM lawyer, such as Zeekler / ZeekRewards have done? If not, why not? If you didn’t, how would you know you are operating legally?
You are twisting again and misslead again but that will be your problem not mine.
I AM NOT CREDITTING MYSELF AS OWNER OF Leverage2Prosperity DO YOUR LESSONS RIGHT . The ownner of Leverage2Prosperity is Paul Skulitz. I founded the L2P CLUB !!!
Read well, that is a team trying to work with a program that belongs to someone else!!! This is making me a scammer? How do you dare to say i credit myself as owner of Leverage2prosperity? Where did you find this?
Do you keep making such sort of afirmation on what base? Where did i say i am the owner of Leverage 2 prosperity?
Where did you find i was involved in ‘BuildMyDownline’ ? What is this ‘BuildMyDownline’ ? You tell me because i dont know what it is.
Pay2up is a scam in your oppinion? Tell this to the owner.
All the participants in GDI recruitment(PPGDI Team), RTA team and the others are scammers that is fine with me in this case because it makes us a whole bunch of scammers, a whole world of scammers, billions of scammers trying to make some money online.
But you will have to prove where i claim myself to be the owner of Leverag2prosperity.
And yes, for our members can be a business in a box, as long as they can start building any business using the benefits of their membership. And yes we are Hotsgator resellers. And yes we have our own Autoresponder.
And yes we offer our own scripts, ready made miniprograms to our members. And yes GVO, GDI, NPN and many like them are of course BIG scammers because you can`t generate an income in any if you don`t recruit people.
And if you didn`t see our site says is not yet fully oppened and we still work on it. Details are to be presented there.
We are not charging members directly? Where did you see that? We charge members directlly. The fact that we chose to pay them 100% money back this is our option for the start level. As stand alone product the AIOP Response is prepered to be a paid service only and help us make profit.
But what i am bothering myself to explain you how we decided to set the start level of our business, i will not bother myself even to ask you about the cash gifitting definition, maybe someone else will find this.
Maybe we are the good samariteans and we didn`t knew…
The definition you use for scam qualification is making almost all the opportunities online and EVERY person trying to promote and sell something a scammer.
Also…”On your blog ‘Iluvprofitshares‘ you personally promote ‘Gulf Reserve’, which is a now defunct ponzi scam that claimed to pay out 1.2-4% daily and 105% weekly ROIs.”
Tis is not My personal blog, a friend asked me to help him and to post there some explanations about what it is and the risk involved in HYIP and profit shares, the only way to post was to give me access to his blog.
As a matter of fact i dont like passive incomes because i don`t like to take risks like that and i really belive in working and investing in a business as better ways to generate money offline and online.
It is obviously that your intention based on false affirmations like that i claim myself to be the owner of Leverage2Prosperity company or the pejorative attitude related to Jesus!? has other meanings.
We just started to build “a business” yes a business because the AR is developed continously to became a stand alone paid only product in a very short time, thus i don`t have time to lose in such unproductive activity.
I will not post any reply, really doesn`t worth in my opinion
but anyway, thank you for the negative publicity, is a strong promo tool others are paying serious money to get it.
Any other issues will be solved on legal ways because making your false affirmations related to my name and my image have other legal issues not MLM issues and we will see what the federal authorities will say.
And @K.Chang, thank you so much for your suggestion, yes we have and we are operating legally. We took care about that aspect.
Care to show HOW you are going about legally? Or are we just supposed to take your word for it?
Well, well, that’s hilarious! As far as I understand, you’re accusing here many people of running scams!
Your definition for scam (“If it requires recruitmnt [!] to earn (passively or indirectly), it’s a scam”) is interesting, 10 points for you for creativity.
Alas… Please, check http://www.thefreedictionary.com/scam to find out the real definition of “scam”.
Carlos Widen, owner of Pay2Up – is he a scammer? – No, I’m a member of Pay2Up myself, and he pays in 24 hours, usually even faster.
Doc Lett, owner of Freeway2Success – is he a scammer? No, I googled, and I couldn’t find a single accusation against him.
Gina and Pat Gunning, owners of Quick Cash Buzz, are they scammers? – No, Quick Cash Buzz is paying automatically, and I was paid myself. Gina and Pat are also owners of many free text ad exchanges.
Johan van Geffen and Isabela Capsuna, are they scammers? – No, I joined All In One Profits and was paid, actually in 10 minutes after requesting.
As for the team builds, like L2P Club, Rip Tide Army, and PowerPath GDI, please take some time to think a bit, and you realize yourself that to call a marketing team a scam is absurd.
What do you think, what happens, if they all team up and sue you? They have a full right to do it. Hiding yourself behind a nickname will not help you then. So, when writing a review, please give your readers real facts instead of some science fiction, and don’t jump to conclusions. If you can’t do it, please remove your post.
What actually makes me wonder is, how could it happen that you’re “reviewing” a program which has been online only about a week, and isn’t even launched yet.
In my humble opinion, All In One Profits stepped on someone’s toe. They offer too much for $11.50 a month. Hosting, autoresponder, tracker, rotator, and on site advertising, and the members are paid $10 per referral… it looks like they became dangerous to somebody.
What, because I left out the word “club” does it change anything? Is your club just a recruitment game that encourages others to join or is it something else?
Same shit different smell – I’m not going to waste my time arguing semantics with you.
…the above image speaks for itself.
No, just the little recruitment scams you’re involved in and/or running.
Aw diddums. Look you supported ponzi schemes in the past, at least own your history instead of trying to cover it up with excuses.
In any case, this review focuses on the mechanics of All In One Profits. The rest of you and your
recruit’steam’s crap is just noise and unless it’s in reference to your little recruitment scam, will be treated as such.You have yet failed to establish how All In One Profits is not simply a recruitment-based money gifting scam.
If you are resellers, then why the need for recruitment commissions – why not y’know – actually sell what it is you claim to be resellers of.
@Katrin
If you have to recruit to earn, it’s a scam. Paying out or not is not the only indication that a MLM business opportunity is a scam.
Ultimately you run out people to recruit and on top of that you’re marketing membership and not products and/or services – which is what you should be doing.
If I can’t buy anything off you except membership to some company (what comes with that membership is irrelevant), it’s a scam.
Because the business model is available and all that is needed to understand the mechanics of the opportunity.
Nothing much. It’ll be dark days indeed when you can’t review business models and compensation plans and publish an analysis and review of said plans.
Thus far all I’ve seen are long-winded ‘waaah everybody else is running recruitment scams, so how can our company be one?’ arguments.
Nobody has challenged the fact that you need to recruit to earn in All In One Profits.
Yawn, next you’ll be asking which competitor I work for… then you’ll rant and rave about I “just don’t get it”, then it’ll be a conspiracy by the media etc.
Seen it all before.
@Oz
It may be wise to inform people that you’re analysing business models in general, not the specific laws in each and every country or state.
It will normally be up to the correct authorities in each country or state to decide the legality and legitimacy of something. This is general knowledge, but people often fails to use general knowledge when they’re reading something.
I had a quick look at Peter Wolfing, and he seems to be a typical organizer of cash gifting schemes. He both organizes the system and deliver software used to recruit more people, and charges a fee for participating and using the software.
The idea of cash gifting being legal is based on some mis-interpretation of laws in the U.S., where some sections of tax-rules are used to defend the legality of gifting. IRS doesn’t decide whether something is legal or illegal, they are mostly focusing on whether something is taxable or not.
“Cash gifting is legal” doesn’t mean “organized cash gifting will be legal, too”.
This is a mis-interpretation of tax-rules, and most possible of other laws too. Organized cash gifting has one major flaw in the legality, since the motives for participating in them is to receive lots of cash gifts.
Signing documents claiming “I don’t expect any gifts in return” doesn’t change this fact.
A basic principle is to use the correct laws, and to interpret them correctly.
Cash gifting schemes have been prosecuted as investment frauds, pyramid schemes and tax evation crimes, in a few cases I’ve checked at Cash Gifting Watchdog.
Speaking of Peter Wolfing, I recently reviewed his latest opportunity – Turbo Cycler.
Not surprisingly I came to the conclusion it was nothing more than cash gifting with a monthly fee.
@Oz, I see you’re sticking to your own definition of “scam”. Perhaps you even believe it yourself. Good. Some people may believe, Earth is flat, but their belief doesn’t make it true.
For others, Earth isn’t flat, and a scam is a fraudulent business scheme, and you are accusing the owners of the programs listed above in running a scam, in other words, you’re accusing them of a crime. That’s a defamation, a libel (the communication of a statement that makes a claim, expressly stated or implied to be factual, that may give an individual, business, product, group, government, or nation a negative image).
In some countries defamation/libel is a crime. And no doubt, it is far from being ethical.
In fact, there is one person more you’re falsely accusing. I didn’t understand at the first moment that by ‘BuildMyDownline’ you actually mean buildmydownlines.com, which happens to be a free credit based safe list of Darren Olander, and not a recruitment scam like you’re stating. Thank you for providing the screenshot, it was really enlightening.
Here people are offering a product, some of them even many products. Other people (their clients) are paying for using their products, or using them for free (like in Darren Olander’s case). If they are convinced, the products are good enough, they may recruit others, selling them the same things they are using themselves, and make money this way.
Do they recruit or not, is up to them. I would be grateful if you could give me an example of a MLM where the members don’t have to recruit to earn.
The way you’re describing things above didn’t convince me about thrustworthiness of any of your analyses(?). Presenting your personal opinions as facts, and using foul language when replying comments hardly ever can be thrustworthy.
I used that review as a part of the matherial I checked, but I was more focusing on the different laws that has been used to prosecute cash gifting schemes.
NOTE:
Most of these cash gifting schemes doesn’t have MLM-structure in their compensation plans. MLM will usually have payouts split into different levels, while cash gifting pays 100 percent from member to member.
AIOP:
I’m willing to believe Isabela, that the main purpose is teambuilding, and that AIOP isn’t an income opportunity on its own. They have probably added the $10 “reverse bonus plan” or whatever they called it as an incentive to recruit, and as a method to make members focus on the teambuilding (rather than the opportunities they join).
Doing some transactions each month makes it easier to keep track of the members in the team, if they’re still interested in being part of it.
Teambuilding is about making money in other opportunities, and to keep the same upline / downline each time they enter new opportunities – and don’t have to ask each and everyone over and over again for each new opportunity, and to reduce the risk of loosing parts of the downline each time an opportunity collapses.
Teams will usually be offered some better positions, or be offered to join an opportunity before most others.
Organizing teams is what you do when you finally have realized that the opportunities won’t last forever, and are tired of building up a new downline from scratch each time.
Amway: you are required to sell things (vitamins or detergents and whatnot) to get paid. No recruitment is required.
So what exactly does the leader do? Dragging his or her team from one “opportunity” to the other, profiting from each in turn? Or just encourage the members to go out, recruit more members (i.e. team-building), which enriches them (and the leader) and leave the bottom rung poor?
And if the leader has a history of backing lost causes, then what?
A teamleader will normally organize the team, which opportunities to join, which methods to use, etc.
I analysed the amount of money involved here, $10 + $1.50 per month per member. It isn’t enough to attract anyone to this as an income opportunity, or to make a profit on it as a business. Then the income has to come from somewhere else, like from joining or organizing other opportunities.
Teambuilding is also about making people more experienced, sharing knowledge, organizing the work, spreading the risk (joining multiple opportunities, with part of the team or the whole team), etc.
I haven’t analysed it very deeply, but it doesn’t seem to be a business opportunity, and then teambuilding was one of the other possibilities.
@Katrin
Only courts can convict people of crimes. I merely analyse MLM business models and compensation plans.
Even with the screenshot?
A company called Build My Downlines automatically tells you it’s about recruitment and a quick look at the comp plan confirms it.
Members earn commissions when their recruits pay for membership and existing members are able to mass market other members to try and recruit them to whatever opportunities they are pushing at the time.
The entire Build My Downlines opportunity revolves around recruitment.
Product, what product?
But what they are selling is membership.
What earns members commissions is the sale of this membership, not products.
Any MLM company that has a true retail offering to market. I can purchase said product, the distributor earns a commission on the sale and I’m on my way.
I haven’t joined the company, paid for membership or am now a distributor myself. These are your legit MLM companies.
The fact that you’re asking this tells me you’ve only ever been involved in recruitment scams, which is a shame really.
If you can find fault with the information then so be it. Taking issue with how it’s prevented and my opinion doesn’t change a business model or how commissions are earnt.
To date, it has not yet been refuted that All In One Profits is nothing more than a money game with 100% of the membership fees shuffling around members (including yourself as an owner/recruiter).
You’re still pushing the ‘but everyone else is doing it, so how can it be a scam!’ line. This review is about your company and none of these other companies you keep harping on about matter within that context.
The ones I mentioned were merely to highlight Capsuna’s track record within the MLM industry and show that ‘monkey see monkey do’ was probably behind the launching of All In One Profits.
No comeback from Katrina. Did she have an ephiphany or an embolism? 🙂
10$ per referral is The Best Opportunity Ever.
The Products are awesome.
What a war!! The legality is quite relative . What is a crime here is is tradition else where. What USA thinks of organized cash gifting does not make it an universal law.
I see no problem if this program is kind of CG or not if they pay what they promise and their products (sold or not) works. People are taking advantages from the use of these products.
Are the owner of AIOP on the top of the system and the middle of it ? shouldn’t they? how would they profit if they pass 100% of the income . Are members aware of the system and glad to “gif” the sponsor every even referral? making their money as well? so , where is the scam?
*”gift”. BTW , regarding all comments so should we classify AIOP as a products gifter as well? Do they provide products or not?Do they charge for it ? Sorry for my English.
@Gerard
The reason cash gifting is illegal is because it requires new members to keep it going. New members need to gift cash to old members and eventually you run out of new members to recruit and gift.
Typically, those who get in first and get others to gift make the most money. Those who join last and struggle to recruit members make nothing.
The owners are part of the gifting system are in on it as members, and they have the advantage of marketing the system first, thus starting off with the highest potential market and most gifts to be sent their way by new members.
If you can’t see the problem with that, you’re not thinking hard enough.
Cash Gifting is just a cute name and deliberate misinterpretation by some US scammers to disguise a Ponzi / pyramid scheme.
This is an old discussion and I’m sorry I haven’t seen it before.
Essentially all the arguments are wasted because everybody, including the reviewer, has a set of different definitions of the terms used.
Here are some points that should be cleared and agreed on before even starting to discuss this matter.
1. Is a membership a product (or service)?
2. If a membership offers products and/or services worth paying the membership fee, could it be called a scam?
3. Is selling memberships is in any way different from selling the product if this product is a part of the membership?
4. Could a payment be considered a gift if in exchange there is a product or service received that is of equal or larger value than the amount of payment?
Also, it would be of real help if the reviewer tried to express his thoughts and arguments in a way that could be understood by human beings. Example:
“I haven’t joined the company, paid for membership or am now a distributor myself. These are your legit MLM companies.”
Neither makes any sense nor deserves more than C for grammar.
This one is interesting too:
“Instead of selling products or services, All In One Profits members sell membership and the income opportunity itself to new members. Bundled with each membership are web hosting, some marketing services and a bunch of ebooks.”
Without defending or criticizing AIOP, it’s equally valid to say that AIOP sells web hosting, autoresponder service and some other products through membership.
I’ll definitely spend more time on this website, it’s fun and a good way to boost one’s self-esteem.
@Alexei
Not when it is the only product available for sale, is coupled with a MLM commission structure and commissions are paid out on the sale of it.
See above.
See above.
If 100% of the commission paid for membership was forwarded to the recruiting member then of course.
You can’t sell products through membership. If I can’t buy it you’re not selling it. All you can purchase from AIOP is membership. Period.
With 100% of the commissions being paid out on members paying monthly membership and new members having to recruit other new members and get them to pay monthly membership, the entire thing is a pyramid scheme.
If no commissions structure existed, it’d be perfectly fine and membership would be a valid product.
The problem is… is the membership for access to the “income opportunity”, or is the membership for access to the “products” you named?
If they are mixed together, then you cannot point at the left side only (the products) and pretend the right side (the income opportunity) does not exist. (i.e. they join just for the products!)
If you pay to join (either left side or right side), and are paid for recruiting additional people (whether they join for left side or right side), you are in a PYRAMID SCHEME.
The fact that product side exists then is irrelevant, and in fact, is a frequent “disguise” by such schemes.
@oz Well, your answers are a logical mess.
You did answer my first question (Is a membership a product (or service)?) in more or less reasonable way, although only the first condition is correct (Not when it is the only product available for sale), the rest ( if it’s coupled…. and so on) is not an answer to my question, probably something you want to explain to yourself.
My second and third questions are answered “see above”, which is like saying nothing at all, because they were different questions. It reminded me of how polititians answer questions – they substitute the question they don’t know how to answer by another one.
Here is an example: I belong to a gym and pay a membership fee. This gym is paying me a comission for referring new customers (members). So, in a way it is an additional income opportunity for me. By your defihition it’s a scam. Obviously nobody except for you would consider it to be a scam, which makes your definition either complitely wrong or inadequate.
My third question is also answered by the same “see above” brush off, obvious inability to even understand what I’m asking. Sad.
Gift, by normal human definition, is something given without expectation of a return of product of service. That’s why political donations (in most cases) are not gifts, but an implicit contracts.
The simple truth is that if I get (by the means of membership or one time pay) the services of equal or larger market value than the amount I pay, for me, as a consumer, there is no difference for me to whom I pay the money and what happens to this money after I pay. I this case money-making opportunity is optional.
Here is another personal example: I’ve used Traffic Wave autoresponder services for a few years whithout even thinking about using the affiliate (MLM) part. Now I make some money from it. Does it suddenly makes it a scam? They pay 100% initial membership fee to the referrer. You would define is a scam – I don’t.
By the way, my Internet host is paying referral commissions, and I’ve already made some substantial money from them. Scam?
Guys, try to clear the mess in your thinking. It would be a good excercise for improving IQ.
Which products or services are you talking about here?
The information about products or services has been very unclear, even from the owner. When the owner is unclear, then it’s hard for others to find the correct answers, too.
As a general answer to your other questions, membership is NOT a product if the product/service is an income opportunity. You can’t sell an income opportunity, people will have to be recruited into it.
If they offer training or something, that training could qualify as a service, but that doesn’t mean all kinds of training will qualify as a service. It has to be a retailable service, not something that normally would be included anyway.
Look, membership used with a MLM compensation plan as a product is a pyramid scheme. End of story.
A gym does not pay you out commissions to recruit new members on multiple levels. Fail.
And pray tell, is the commission cash? (how much) or credit on your own membership. I know gym’s run promotions with sales staff, but I’d be very suprised to see a gym offering cash commissions to random members if they sign up new members.
I’ve been doing this a while son and don’t have time to walk you through it. I see the same questions worded differently and if I’ve already given an answer that applies, you’ll be directed at it.
Stop being a fairy princess about it.
Irrelevant definition. Look up cash gifting instead, as that’s that applicable here in the business sense. We are, after all, not talking about birthday parties now are we.
You join a MLM company, pay a membership fee, earn commissions for recruiting others and 100% of that commission money comes from membership fees, then you’re in a pyramid scheme.
Period.
No it’s not, the business opportunity is open to everyone who pays a membership fee. It is not an optional extra, it’s bundled with every membership sold.
1. Does it pay out on multiple levels?
2. If there’s no differentiation between retail customers and company members participating in the income opportunity, and they pay out 100% of the membership fees paid as commissions to recruiters on multiple levels, then yes – as a MLM income opportunity it’s a blatant pyramid scheme.
(so how does the company make any money?)
See above.
Run along now son and stop trying to justify Pyramid schemes. You aren’t the first and won’t be the last.
@Alexei — your questions are all answered by MY question back to you, actually. You cannot consider the “membership to access products” separate from the “membership to sell more memberships”, if they are sold TOGETHER.
All you are saying is “selling membership to products is legal”. It is… IF it’s NOT attached to “membership to income opportunity”.
As I said before, you are looking at only one side, when you must take into account the WHOLE THING.
oz@ More poor logic and avoiding answering direct questions.
Just for your info – I’ve been in mail Order, MLM, Affiliate programs, selling hosting, selling leads, etc. for about 30 years.
You say, you were doing this for a while and you don’t know Traffic Wave, LLC? And you think you are a specialist?
And – don’t call me son, I’d be pretty ashamed of such father.
I’m not defending “pyramid” schemes, but your arguments don’t hold water. Yes, my gym pays me with gift cards.
This is my last time on this site, nothing to learn here.
Irrelevant, although depressing to note that after 30 years you can’t tell the difference between a pyramid scheme and a legit MLM opportunity.
Nope, just a guy with a keyboard who goes over MLM compensation plans.
Ah of course they do. No way known they’d pay you out in cash, that’d be a straight up pyramid scheme. Just like All In One Profits.
We’re talking about income opportunities here son, not your local gym handing out giftcards. Thankyou, come again.
(It’s interesting that Alexei only has eyes on you, Oz)
I asked you about the products/services involved? The owner was rather vague about that part, so we may have missed some facts here.
I also gave you an answer for WHY membership isn’t a service, just what you asked about. And then you turned emotional, and decided to never visit this site again? 🙂
You contradicted yourself in several places. First you included me in the statement “Guys, try to clear the mess in your thinking”, and then you excluded me again by ignoring my answer. And the decision about never visiting this website again shows you clearly have learnt something important?
* “Get the facts straight, and never start a discussion when you’re in an emotional state of mind.”
Here’s one more lesson:
The statements “I’ll never visit this site again!” and “This is my last word!” are plain stupid to use in an ongoing argument where you still feel you have weapons that can be used.
You can’t return without an explanation, and the explanation will usually be something like “I got too emotional last time, but my point is …”.
Hi there I really don’t understand why you are casting aspersions on All in One Profits? I have been a member for several months now and I have found them to be completely ethical and very helpful.
Their customer service is first rate unlike my previous web hosting experience and I consider the $11.50 per month to be negligible for the value that I receive which includes unlimited web hosting and other tools. These are valuable and legitimate products so I am confused as to why you would say that it is a scam.
To have the opportunity to recruit others is a bonus but people can make up their own minds as to whether they wish to join or otherwise.
Paying commissions does not in any way make All in One Profits a scam, recruitment incentives are a legitimate business practice.
Your ill informed and unfair accusations of this company are a diservice to a genuine enterprise and to anyone who might be put off by your false accusations and jaundicely biased campaign
What aspersions…
That are irrelevant because
Is what you get paid for.
As a direct commission? No.
I wanted to join them, and when I saw that 10$ is going to members and the processing fee is so small, i asked myself, with what money do they buy hosting? So I did not join.
I search for a MLM that has great online services and also a great compensation plan. And they are too new on the market (I want someone with experience, or at least a great known marketer as owner).
An Attorney General would ask these two questions:
1 – Would a logical thinking person pay this much money for the product or service if there was not a business opportunity involved?
2 – Does the income stop when the recruiting stops?
If the answer to the first question is “No” and/or the answer to the second question is “Yes”, then it is a SCAM.
i like the old bad math version of 100% commissions,where you earn 10% on 10 levels down, because of course, 10×10=100% lol.
I am a member of AIOP and an active user of their products. to be honest, I am not a fan of the even up system, mostly because it is a newer concept to me, but i am intrigued by the fact that it deviates from the traditional pyramid style MLM marketing model.
Regardless, I use the product and am happy to be paying $11.50 a month for it. I COULD be paying $40/mo for Trafficwave but why? it is an over priced product to support the less-than-100% compensation plan, and lets be real, the only reason the majority of TW users pay for it is the income potential they dream of from it.
With AIOP, I also have access to an ad tracker, a rotator, splash maker, personalized email, hosting, training, a downline builder, team support, oh, and of course I can advertise all I want to the AIOP community through text and banner ads. All this for 10 bucks a month.
Whether or not I make a dime from promoting the site, the products stand alone as enough value to be worth the fee. I couldn’t give a rats behind if my 10 bucks goes to the owners or other affiliates. The value is there.
As far as Isabela and Johan…if they were scammers they wouldn’t be giving so much of the profit (all from the basic level) away. What company doesn’t have “loss leaders”? Every grocery store sells milk and bread at cost or at a loss to get customers in to buy potatoe chips and soda pop.
Level 1 of AIOP is a loss leader…and a valueable one as far as I am concerned. i am a happy retail customer of AIOP.
You’re an affiliate, not a retail customer.
OMG – pedantic.
I haven’t even started to promote AOIP. But when I do, it will be with confidence.
I use the products to the max. I have found no better value for my money anywhere.
Support is awesome too.
This author has a carrot up.
Whether you use the products or not has no bearing to the compensation plan, that being membership fee driven (recruitment) and the gifting of said fees amongst participants.
Let’s hope you confidently explain that to those you attempt to recruit into the scheme.
Great, but that doesn’t explain the comp plan or the business model.
Ever heard of the Pigeon King Ponzi in Canada? Pigeons are real and legitimate right? Seen squad meat in supermarket? It’s still a Ponzi.
The product does not legitimize the business. Product is just ONE of the ways the business can be illegitimate.
Explaining this assertation is something that has taken you thousands of words during this post and your rebuttals to the comments added. You still haven’t managed to put your point across in a convincing manner.
My point is, that the product has enough value on its own, to warrant the subscription – even without recruiting.
To call it cash gifting is just wrong.
So why is there a cash gifting scheme attached to it? By your assertion All In One Profits should be able to just market the bundled services at a retail level and flourish.
You and I both know there is no business without the attached gifting income opportunity.
It is what it is, affiliates gifting eachother fees every month with payment of said fees qualifying them to receive gifts from affiliates they’ve recruited (or their downline have).
I passed up a number of opportunities in favour of AOIP. Simply because these are products I need and the price is great. I have set up a blog, I am growing lists of prospects for other programs, I have trackers, rotators, splash page and capture page makers etc. Some of the best support in the industry. And I’m able to use these tools all in one place.
The fact that I can possibly earn more than the typical 50% off first level referrals only, is a bonus, yes.
But I assure you that I would happily use this service without any compensation plan what-so-ever.
This makes it not a cash gifting program, irrespective of who gets my monthly subscription payments.
But since you will always have the last word, and think you know best for everyone.
Go ahead.
Irrelevant.
You might see it as “only a bonus” but it’s precisely what makes All In One Profits a recruitment driven cash gifting scheme.
That’s very easy to say but with the compensation plan All In One Profits use it’s something that’s not demonstratively provable either way.
Hypotheticals don’t define the legitimacy of an MLM company, their business model and compensation plan does.
The longevity of a company should determine its legitimacy, not some pedantic over analysis of its model.
For now and for the foreseeable future, I’ll enjoy the products. Anyway, thanks for the exchange, its been interesting.
But it doesn’t, and is therefore irrelevant to the discussion. The business model and compensation plan is all that matters.
Good luck with the gifting recruiting, be sure not to mislead them as to the fundamentals of how money is earnt in the opportunity.
Does it bother you that All in One Profits is doomed to collapse eventually because it’s a pyramid scheme? The lack of real products that can be sold to outsiders (people not in the program) means that once the market reaches it’s limit of new recruits, there won’t be anymore.
Infinite expansion is just a myth and this entire thing stops once people stop joining. It being cash gifting is totally irrelevant to this truth. It would collapse just as easily if it was the typical pyramid and you didn’t gift any of your recruits to your uplines.
It doesn’t really matter what you have in the back office when it’s attached to an unsustainable, leaky faucet of a business model. The fact that only members can access and use what’s in the back office means it can’t be sold to put non affiliate cash into the system.
Injections of money from NON affiliates is the only thing that keeps an MLM afloat. Any and every business that uses this model will fail. This is already dead in the water. It’s inevitable.
I hear you, and your intelligent input has given me reason to mull what you say over.
But I must point out an important factor. The products are very targetted to the IM market. They’re in demand and they’re good – I know, I use them.
I see the rate of sign ups can drop as the program loses its “newness”. And already, I think its set to clock its first year.
It is still being extensively promoted through out the industry. Almost all those promoting, rave about the products.
These things cost a lot of money – the autoresponder and trackers esp.
Still, I don’t see it failing, and I still believe it is very much worth promoting.
Will I be proved wrong – more time will tell I guess.
But thanks for your thoughtful insight.
@oz
I have followed this ‘Review’ and from your comments it seems that you have done a great deal of research on the ‘Business Model’ of IM Companies and I appreciate your sharing it with us.
I am sure that everyone here is here because we are all looking for a company that we can work with to generate some IM income.
I would like to ask; with all of your research have you found any IM Company, or Companies, that would meet your definition of a GOOD or SOUND ‘business model’ ?
If so, would you please be kind enough to share that info with us?
I am new to IM and I am looking for a Company that is ‘Newbie’ friendly and that I can join with a very limited investment.
Do you know of such a Company?
Bert
Hi Bert, I don’t make specific recommendations, I only review what’s out there.
BehindMLM is geared towards being an information resource rather than an MLM participation and/or investment guide.
There will always be haters. I love AIOP. Great job guys!!
Whether there are haters is actually irrelevant, unless you based your decision on other people’s emotional state, i.e. you make your decision by empathy instead of logic.
That may work in friendly, religion, and such, but it doesn’t work for business.
Just as there will always be those who enjoy participating in HYIP ponzi frauds and endless chain recruiting schemes.
Your point being…………..??
I just want to add a few points.
I am not a member of AIOP, but I came upon this review while researching the company (I’m sure many others have also). First off, to say it gives away 100% commissions is just not true.
Though they are promoted by their affiliates, they also have their corporate pages that are affiliate free. This page is the one that people land on in when they do a google search etc.
If someone joins from that page then all the commissions go to the company. Plus, not everyone will sign up under an affiliate.
Many people unethically scrub the affiliate tracking from the sign up link so they can join under the owner(even though it is the affiliate that did all the work of advertising for the new member).
Ok, so let’s just go with those two groups of members. This is actually a large group of people. I don’t have the numbers but it can be quite significant. Even if it is only 10% of the membership, that is quite a bit of cash flow that can support the costs of hosting and customer service.
It doesn’t end there though. Assume those people all go out and recruit. You say they are getting paid 100% commission but in reality, they are not.
With the even up system they pass up every second referral they get. So, if they were to get 100 referrals, 50 would pass up, in this case to the site ownership. That is not 100% commission, that is 50% on a net basis.
This is the second area the company can make income from and they haven’t even sold one premium membership yet.
These secondary pass ups also pass up their seconds to the site as well, so there you have compound growth of the income.
If the site chooses to advertise on top of that, they give themselves even more income but they probably produce enough site supporting income just from the organic growth of the company and the referrals they get from the home page.
Secondly, this is not a cash gifting program. These are commission sales people who are selling a legitimate product. As one other responder said, Traffic Wave sells the same product for $40 per month and they don’t offer the same opportunity.
To call these people cash gifters is to call a car salesman a cash gifter. No, they sell a legitimate product and half their customers are passed up to their ‘upline’ or the company so for every $20 in sales they recoup $10 in commission (or 50% on a net basis).
Statistics show that most affiliates only refer two people so this company is genius in that it gets a person virtually paid up on the first referral and rewards the upline on the second. That should create a really high retention rate.
THAT is how the company and the commission sales staff make their money. The pass up actually gives the upline an incentive to go out, train their referrals and help them in any way to get referrals themselves. There are two reasons for this.
First, if the referral has an upgrade under them, their membership is free, thus they will stay in and continue to give income to their upline.
Secondly, for every two referrals they teach their referral to get, they get one back, so it is a good way to duplicate yourself. You are thus paid to manage and train your referrals which is what many people don’t do in network marketing.
BTW, I have seen autoresponders alone go for anywhere between $10 and $99 in the past so this product is definitely within a fair price considering it gives all the other web marketing tools along side it.
As a web marketer myself, this is what first attracted me to the site. The affiliate reward package was just a bonus.
So? Who do you think is at the top of the regular affiliate pass-up chain? Yeah, “the company”.
It’s not a large group of numbers, it never is with these schemes. Furthermore there are no two groups, you’re all affiliates with access to the compensation plan and commissions.
I join AIOP, I give 100% of my participation money to affiliates. New affiliates paying 100% of their fees to existing affiliates = a gifting scheme with nothing being bought or sold.
Yeah, the company makes money when affiliates recruit new affiliates and pass up 100% of an affiliates participation money. Got it, that’s not genius – it’s called a cash gifting scheme.
Good for you, but bonus or not that doesn’t negate the scheme.
You Know squat about MLM or business for that matter. The company makes money through advertising and as a pro member you pay $21.74 and get $15 in commission. They also get paid the same way I do. Recruiting.
At least they are providing a valuable service to people like me who don’t make their money blogging on fake review sites where they have a license to Lie…..
The company makes money through affiliates, participating in…
…a recruitment driven cash gifting scheme.
There’s nothing valuable about cash gifting schemes.
All in one profits is complete bullshit. I promoted aiop for the longest I’m talkin promoting alot. After all said and done no commissions no money.
For the whole time I was a member I had some faith but when I entered one of my emails on my own splash page set up by AIOP. Mind you this was an email address I did not sign up with aiop.
I made some money from internet profit machine way ago I sold a digital product and yes I received the check. All in one profits has a autoresponder that’s cool and hmm whatz interesting why is there an referral ID at the end of the link on my autoresponder account.
Oh and what’s this a different id on another one of the links this one is the splash page creator. What’s this a different ID. Go shove your scam up your ass.
I very rarely market any products whether physical or digital online because of such scam ass holes as yourself. What is with the government the federal trade commissions they really gonna do anything about these scams hmm probably not. I really truly believe whether you have an online business or physical business you should have licenses and get your so called business audited so if your scamming people online you can rot in prison the rest of your life for taking peoples hard earned money.
And there will be no fleeing the country I feel as if your license passport or whatever should state on there all your business licenses and all the so called legitimate business you own. I truly believe the FTC should crack down on scam artists but frankly I don’t think they give a shit. You scam people for other peoples money then you should face the consequences.
The FTC should create a database of illegitimate and legitimate business online but I see no action on their part. Also if the governments is able to tap into everyone cell phone conversations your tellin me they can’t organize the Internet and put the legitimate businesses on one side and all the scam artists in a cell for their life.
@Dan
I had been a customer of AIOP company for over a year. And my impression after I had read your posting is shocking, which makes me to come to the conclusion: either you dont understand the system fully well in order to use any tool for your business or you dont know how to market it as affilate.
While I respect your opinion, looking to the intent behind your text, ostensibly looks like this is just a direct attack to fit this page.
My logic, if you choose to promote a program as affilate for “the longest”, and do not make money as you claimed, and many promoted the same program with good sales and commission, this does not make a program a scam, its just maybe you dont know your onions, no hard feelings please, just a deep analyse.
Of course, I may reason along with you if you can conceptualise your own scam, and lets see how it tally.
After using their platform for over one year,I know enough about every tool, to understand that you do not even know what you are talking about.
If you make sales you get commission. I am a customer using the Pro level services because I need more features for my own business.
After a while I decided to become also an affiliate. I made sales. I made basic pack sale I got the basic pack commission. I made also Pro pack sales and i got the 75% pro pack sale commission.
Not very clear what you want to say, but from my own experience your own affiliate link for company has an username at the end, while being on different sites, the autoresponder gives your an affiliate id as a number and the splash builder has NO affiliate ID in link at all, but just the number of the page at the end of the link. I had more pages made with the splash builder, thus I had different links/numbers for each.
Looks like you make a confusion between your log in username as client and your affiliate id and link, when you use their autoresponder for your own business building. And what`s awesome is that you can customize the “powered by” using your own AIOP affiliate link.
An other logical reason and answer would be: Because you were promoting AIOP business as affiliate.
I am mainly a customer and secondary, ocasionally an affiliate, but as an affiliate I can tell that I found very well set all my links. I used to advertise the company affiliate landing page and all the letters sent from that page had my affiliate link and I made some sales. Then I decided to use what they offer to affiliates, importing the company letters and landing page and build my own list.
This is an awesome feature. I made sales. I am currently promoting my other businesses to the list I have build in my autoresponder account, as AIOP affiliate.
I chose AIOP platform because is very affordable and I can use it to build my other businesses. Thus, I also did my own due diligence, as i always do because I am cautios, and I used the link they provide on their site, so I found they are legally registered under EU regulations. Which I believe requires a solid documentation and perhaps a legal representative, as I found a third person listed there and a lots of legal activities they are licensed for.
Of course, everyone is free to talk and call scam everything, based on his own frustrations, but at least you should be sure you know what you talk about. On my own knowledge, the commission payment ability requires also a business account legal verification. But maybe I am wrong.
Your qualifications of scam looks like being based on your wrong understanding and basically not knowing what you are doing there. Something that is not paying you commission for making no sales looks scam for you?
I usually don`t pay attention to such kind of review sites, but your sub urban vocabulary and the lack of knowledge, based on your own affirmation “I very rarely market any products whether physical or digital online…” made me understood that you never bothered to understand anything but throwing with mud.
If you dont understand how something works, I would suggest you to ask someone who does…for any business, perhaps even contact their support. When i got some questions setting up my first autoresponder campaign, I got my questions answered in less than an hour. It`s a matter of mindset after all.
You mean you signed up as an affiliate and then eventually decided to recruit other affiliates to get paid.
Sounds like you’re really thorough then. Everybody knows the best MLM due diligence is when you only read stuff that jives with what you want to believe about a business.
For me, im not yet a member of AIOP, but i will join soon, who cares if I can earn or not, as long as I dedicate myself to work on any opportunity in the world.
We live in this world that has no security. Some get lucky and some dont. Did you loose a lot if nothing happens to you as a member of AIOP? I dont think so.
You run your traditional business, what do you get? You may loose a lot of money, manual labor and headache. There are thousands of online opportunities out there, all you have to do is pick the ones thats best for your, and if you are a well experience online networker, im sure, a lot of online opportunities out there were already been tried.
So, if you are expert in choosing the right one, you know, that its one of the best or one of a kind, that has no competition in terms of its pay plan program. Coz after all, this is what every opportunitty seekers are after.
They dont care if there is a product or service. They are more of how to grow and earn money, and the best point here is that, you will always be a winner.
If you happen to meet the right program and dedicate to grow not only yourself but also the rest of your prospects and existing members, because you owe them the whole picture with all the hard works and you should thank those who brought you into the system for the reasons of wherever you are right now…
^^ Uh what? All I heard there was a boatload of scamming excuses.
You’re investing in a gifting scheme to accept gift payments from those you recruit into the scheme. Let’s not pretend this is anything else.
Seems you’re unable to agree you’ve made an erroneous conclusions in your earlier review. It is obvious that your original post of 2012 was in based on some wrong perspective. AIOP can not be termed a scam, as all qualified affiliates are being comp remunerated as prompt as when due, two years later!
I was a member, but I quit over a year ago – not out of frustration, but needed to concentrate on something else.
Your AIOP review has put the integrity of your reviews into question.
Though this you may not agree, but any one searching for a honest and unbiased review will not fail to see your categorizing a Safelist that offer email advertising service to it’s members (Buidmydownlines) as scam as the extreme of falsehood.
I also am unable to agree that the up is down, or that the sky is green.
Perspectives are irrelevant, all that matters is the business model.
Whether investors are getting paid is neither here nor there. New affiliate funds being used to pay off existing investors deems it a scam.
In scam circles this is referred to as shiny object syndrome.
The rest of your waffle was irrelevant.
How long can you work for free though?
Psychologists call this “post hoc justification”. Basically they quit, but they can’t (or won’t) say WHY they really quit, so they made up some bull*** reason
Wow!
This thread started in 2012 when AIOP was started, too.
Now we are in 2015, almost three years later.
As in any business, they go through ups and downs, and at the beginning, the downs are more frequent.
I have been looking at AIOP and doing some search came to this website.
First, let me introduce myself, I am Antonios, I am a Spanish native speaker that has English as a second language. I have been online for over a decade (10+ years), and offline for over four decades (40+ years) doing all kinds of business models and niches.
I have been using TrafficWave Autoresponder for several years. Their fees are $17.95 per month (not $40.00). Their affiliate program pays $15 through 10 levels deep. Yes, they are a MLM program. Their first month is free, and they pay $17.95 one time per referral.
I have HostGator hosting for several years too, their affiliate program pays up to $125 onetime commission for a referral that could be paying $8.95 per month for only one domain hosted.
As you can see I am paying $26.90 per month for hosting and autoresponder alone, and can host only one domain.
With AIOP I would pay $11.50 per month including autoresponder and unlimited domains hosting plus many additional features.
It would be better for me to have the AIOP membership than what I have at present, even without the business opportunity (BO). This is exeellent for a newbie.
We must understand that multi level marketing (MLM) or Network marketing is NOT a business model, it is a marketing strategy that many legitimate, honest and highly reputable corporations use: Avon, Amway, Melaleuca.
The USA federal government considers a legitimate mlm company that follows the 20/80 equation: 20% are business opportunity seekers, 80% are retail customers.
A membership company that asks for people recruitment only, and doesn’t offer a service or product is considered a Ponzi or illegal Piramid scheme.
And that product or service must be at a reasonable price. The rule is that people would buy the product or service even if the money making opportunity (mmo) didn’t exist.
For example: I sold Avon, Amway and Melaleuca products to people that didn’t have the least interest on becoming distributors themselves. They liked and wanted the products for their personal use.
I use TrafficWave and HostGator because I want and need their services, even if the mmo didn’t exist. I don’t promote much of them either.
Cash gifting is when there is an interchange of money without any product or service being rendered. In the USA this is legal if it is not intended as a Ponzi scheme or MMO.
A business using a mlm strategy is not legal or illegal, it is how the strategy is used. It’s the same with any kind of business. There are thousands of direct selling companies that are complete scams and they don’t use MLM strategies.
When a company offers commissions for referrals or for member recruitment, it is legal if the referral receives some reasonable value in products or services for what s/he is paying be it a onetime payment or a monthly or yearly fee.
Those are what Clubs, and magazine subscriptions are paid for.
If all payments were 100% commissions for members and administration wouldn’t received any money, that isn’t a business model, that is a failure model, specially when the saturation time comes up. Those are Ponzi schemes and HYIP systems. The first to join make all the money, the last to join lose all the money.
AIOP, in reality, doesn’t pay 100% commission. You pay a $11.50 monthly fee and ADmin gets $1.50 on the first level. And since Admin started the program, they too get the $10 commission from the ups of their lower referrals, that could be hundreds of members.
On the second or pro level, members pay $20 fee and $1.74 processing. From that fee, $10 goes for first level members, and if the referrer is a pro, s/he receives $15. Admin receives $10 from first level members when their referrals go pro and $5 when the referrer is a pro.
That is $11.74 from first level pro referrals and $6.74 from pro referrals. When you have several hundreds of members, that is an excellent monthly income for Admin.
(Ozedit: Offtopic talk about other schemes removed)
There have been several Team or Club building groups being created to promote a diversity of solid money making programs. The problem with these groups is that they concentrate in the money making opportunity and almost forget or don’t give value to the products or services being offered.
These groups do have a saturation point, because for them to make money they have to be continouisly recruiting. Most of the members of those groups don’t use the services or products offered, and don’t use them to build a unique or niched business.
If I had used Trafficwave or Hostgator, I would have already dropped out or could have been losing money. People join these programs, and if they don’t make money fast, they dropout, attrition is high.
Probably, when this thread started, AIOP had several negatives, that could at present have been corrected. I see it as a legitimate business model. Good products at a very reasonable price.
There are better products, but at a huge higher price and so much sophisticated that most are valuable for very experience online marketers.
I consider that AIOP is excellent for a newbie.
Sincerely,
Antonios
You’re not paying for anything, you’re participating in a cash gifting scheme with a bunch of stuff tacked on.
False. Just like there are product-based pyramid schemes there are also product-based cash gifting schemes.
False. Cash gifting schemes are illegal.
False.
In MLM, false.
Excellent in the sense that you’re targeting “newbies”. People who won’t question your evident mountains of falsities and clear lack of understanding regarding legal compliance and cash gifting schemes.
Geebus,
that is so wrong it’s almost impossible to believe anyone would repeat it in adult company, especially the part about cash gifting being legal in the USA.
Seriously oz?
I’ve read all the responses you’ve made to statements and questions and it seems like you have a hate relationship with AIOP. By thev way i am not a member but know the products the company sells.
How come you’re not offering any positive element about AIOP? (Ozedit: Removed, this is not the place to ask for personal MLM company recommendations.)
It would be great if you did constructive reviews, that are objective not subjective – all the above reviews hitting against the persons behind AIOP; not what the program is about.
There is nothing positive about cash gifting schemes. They are illegal fraud.
Facts are neither positive or negative. If emotion is what your after in an MLM review you’ve come to the wrong place.
What AIOP is “about” is what it does. And what it does is charge a fee to participate in a cash gifting scheme, which qualifies affiliates to recruit others and receive cash gifts from them.
I have been using AIOP’s products for 6 months. I have about 12 email campaigns running in my AIOP Autoresponder. It is an excellent Autoresponder and works really well.
I have previously used Aweber and GetResponse email Autoresponders, which were much more expensive. I really like the AIOP products. I am saving money using AIOP and my Email Autoresponder is Excellent.
I love the Tracking facility which gives very thorough results (included). I also the Splash Page Builder which is really helpful to any newbies.
Previously, I was paying $27 per month to another email Autoresponder company and $9 per month to a URL Tracking Company. I was also paying $10+ per month for my web hosting.
People are looking for a good Autoresponder Service Provider to build their email list. There is thousands of Internet Marketers online and they all need to build an email list if they are to succeed.
AIOP, always uses “Double Opt-in”, which means better deliverability and eliminates Spam.
Personally, I am very happy with this product and am very happy to sell it and to fully endorse it.
So far, I have introduced 19 new members to promote it and my total earnings to date (31 March 2015) are $688!
Other people below me in my downline have also recommended this product package and I currently have 38 people in my downline. I receive $10 per month from Basic Level members in my downline and $15 per month from Pro Level Members.
I joined as a basic member and when I realized how good this product is, I decided that using it will save me a lot of money. I needed all the products for my business, as do thousands of other people. And it is “All In One profits” for me.
I would never sell something, unless I can see the honest value in it for others.
Anyone who buys this product through me gets a lot of extra free internet training from me personally. I am very genuine and always offer a lot of time, help, education and training to anyone who purchases any product from me.
Yes, I did say “Product”. They are genuine products and all are excellent. One of my email campaigns has enough emails inside for over 170 days and it is working very well for me.
I believe in the Philiosophy that, “The Customer is always right”. I am an “AIOP Customer” and I have used the Product for quite a while ~ so I feel I must be right!
In my opinion, the only people who will criticize AIOP are people with a low understanding of what is needed in Internet Marketing. Usually these people are not successful in promoting their online business, because they just don’t get what’s needed to succeed.
On the other hand, I have come across many Review Sites, who have an ulterior motive and will habitually criticize all Internet Businesses, only then to recommend another business which is even less worthy.
Whoever wrote the original review, has no idea and really needs to get their facts straight!
@John
Attaching a product to a cash gifting scheme doesn’t make it anything less of a cash gifting scheme.
By handing over 100% of the funds you’re purportedly paying for the product to the affiliate who recruited you, you’re in effect paying a participation fee.
You can then go out and recruit new participants who will gift 100% of their purported product fee to you.
On paper AIOP have no revenue generated via purported product sales. Any services they combine with gifting participation are given away freely, serving no other purpose than to perpetuate the gifting the scheme.
Lets forget about the compensation plan which is pretty much what this ongoing war has been about.
Lets look at the real value that AIOP provides.
Hosting and an auto-responder for $10? Where else can you get that? I’m not with AIOP yet but i think ill be joining them soon. Primarily because i think i’ll save a lot.And of course if i can recommend it to someone and make money from that. Not bad.
What i think is,even if AIOP is selling memberships as you put it,but there is a true value attached to it.
Thats it.
I am personal friends with Isabela. Those of you saying bad things about her need to do your homework.
You have no idea what you are talking about. I use and promote AIOP and will continue to for as long as they exist!
I have an entire team happy with the products and sharing with others. Maybe you say it’s a scam because you tried and failed?
Oh well in that case let’s just toss the business model out of the window than shall we.
That you enjoy participating in cash gifting scams is neither here nor there.
I am just checking this company out. The products and services you are getting are the autoresponder, hosting, ebooks, etc.
That is what you pay for. It is legal.
You use the products/services to market your business, whatever that me be. The website is up front about everything, so not a scam.
You know exactly what you are buying before you buy. So not a scam. It is up to each person to decide if the products and services are worth buying.
How can you say you pay for a product or service when all you do is gift a participation fee to the participant who recruited you?
No money is being paid for a product or service, as 100% of fees charged are gifted to participants.
Being upfront about being a cash gifting scam doesn’t make an opportunity any less of a scam.
Dumbass logic if ever I saw it.
too much talking without any logic
let’s make it very simple
Good product + paying affiliates = good company That’s all
You’ve talking for three years about paying company please stop the nonsense of gifting and must recruit debates
There isn’t any online business that will pay you without recruiting
recruiting, affiliating, selling, all are the same
If recruiting to get paid is scam, then amazon is the biggest scam online as you will be paid when you only make a sale
You’ve to make a sale to get paid
Simple enough !!!!
And the winner of “the dumbest thing we’ve heard from the scamming community yet” goes to…
Right, because Amazon is first an MLM company and secondly pay you to recruit new Amazon affiliates.
Gifting 100% of your entry fee to the person who recruited you != a sale.
Looks like you have a big problem with MLMs!! The scammer is the one who steal your money or give false hopes.
What’s your problem with MLMs and the so-called “Cash gifting”?
Do you trust the people who make laws to that extent and have such big belief in the laws they pass! so, you can accept their saying about making cash gifting illegal.
What’s your problem with passing up referrals?
Does AIOP pay its members? Yes, and that’s all.
Clearly, you pay no heed to “riba al-fadl” and “riba al-nasi’ah”, both of which are haram. And you never ask if the payment from AIOP is a type of “gharar”, which is also forbidden.
So it’s clearly not all, unless your “all” is extremely limiting to what’s acceptable in your head, instead of your society.
@K Chang
what is the relation between “riba” and MLMs??????????
From Where did you come with this idea?????????
And how MLMs will harm the society????????
you opened the door, what about (Ozedit: completely offtopic waffle removed)
Please, read the Quran and stop following the stupid Sheikhs
Sorry
wacky scammer
No problem with MLM.
Do I really need to explain the problem with cash gifting? Go and educate yourself son…
AIOP isn’t paying anyone, you’re paying yourselves… which is the problem.
@Oz
Yes, please explain the problem with cash gifting.
I really want to know its problem
Actually, It’s the one paying.
When I receive a payment from it, It is sent from AIOP PayPal account.
No recruiting = collapse.
If it’s 100% of the payment they received from another affiliate, they’re just a middleman.
Yeah, you reviewed it in 2012 and it is still online and paying. Can’t see any collapse yet.
So, it is ok if it is paying because your problem with their system that it will collapse, but it isn’t. So, your problem isn’t here yet.
is there any ethical issue with their payment system? I really wanna know the problem.
If we will say this is bad because it will collapse, we won’t find anything good because as you know everything must come to an end.
very silly argument.
it’s like saying murder cant be bad, because people die anyways.
ponzi/pyramid schemes are mathematically destined to fail. when they fail the last investors lose money. that is why these schemes are illegal, because why should people set up schemes which are sure to fail, while giving benefits to the promoters and early joiners ?
AIOP is a recruitment based pyramid scheme, you say it is still paying, maybe it is, but it wont for much longer. it will collapse at some point.
remember the problem with ponzi/pyramid schemes, is not ONLY that they are bound to collapse causing losses to over 90% of participants, but ALSO that such schemes are of no value to the economy. the idea behind the economy is that you make money by an exchange of ‘something of value’ [product/service] for money.
ponzi/pyramid schemes are just rotation of money without anything of value being exchanged. this is harmful to the economy, and hence govt’s ban them.
As long as you keep scamming people into it, gifting payments will be made.
It’s that simple.
First I am not an AIOP member.
Second you are not fair in our argument. you are just trying to prove you are right by any mean. Does the fact that everything has an end justify killing !!!!!!!!!!! Does saying thing have ends give you the authority to end it !!!!!!!!!!
I was an AIOP member for a while and I quit because I don’t need the service now. I don’t need to build an email list nor lead capture page now. So, I left.
I am a fair guy who just never listen to talks without logic and think of everything.
Explain, how AIOP affiliate program will hurt the economy? This economy you talk about is already hurting people. just look around and see how many people are struggling and how many are freakishly rich and that will be your economy you are afraid to hurt.
And by the way, AIOP have a service, auto responder, link tracking, and email list building with little hosting.
What would say if I kept talking about someone badly for three years who done nothing bad?
Think for yourself buddy and stop stalking and defending others’ thoughts.
And please, stop hunting words. You hunt a little sentence and fantasize about it. answer the question.
How AIOP affiliation will hurt economy?
well sir, it was you who argued that :
in other words, you meant [by my interpretation], that since everything comes to an end, the collapse of AIOP should not be viewed negatively, since the end of AIOP would be comparable to the end of all other things.
in this context, i gave the example of murder Vs natural death. both methods end life, but are not comparable or equal, and do not justify murder.
normal legal businesses are not built for certain collapse, they may die out due to poor decisions or changing economies. this is not a crime [like murder]
ponzi/pyramid schemes are built for certain collapse, so the promoters have ‘purposefully’ set up a business which will collapse or die. this is a crime [like murder]
now you tell me, does the fact that every business will come to an ‘unpredictable end’ at some point or another, justify setting up ‘predictably certain to end’ ponzi schemes which cause losses to most participants?
then you wouldn’t have needed to run here and defend it so fast much less at all.
read through the comments above. oz and chang etc have repeatedly explained that products Bundled with Membership, in a recruitment driven plan is nothing but a product masked pyramid scheme.
i noticed several AIOP faithfuls have stopped by writing odes to AIOP products. if the products are so darn good why are they bundled with membership? separate the membership from the product and see how much product is sold without the possibility of earning commissions from the compensation plan.
some AIOP reps have compared AIOP to amway or avon etc. these companies have NON commissionable memberships with no products attached.
a member can sell amway and avon products without buying the products themselves. a member can earn purely by selling retail without recruiting, or earning from the compensation plan of the company.
comparing AIOP to amway or avon just shows you have no education about what differentiates MLM from pyramid schemes.
as oz has stated in a post above : if i cannot buy your product without membership, you are not selling a product at all, but only membership.
@mahmood
The economy?
Cash gifting schemes are scams and if you participate in one you are a scammer.
If need to understand how gifting schemes work, Google it instead of carrying on like a pork chop.
ponzi/pyramid schemes hurt the economy. this is a well studied and documented fact by institutions like the IMF.
AIOP with it’s 11$ monthly payments, is too piddly by itself to cause the economy any real harm, but harm is harm whether it is a dollar or ten.
ponzi/pyramid schemes cause harm because :
most [over 90%] participants lose money. when people lose money they consume less from from the market, they spend less on education, health, savings etc which effect the present and future economy.
they divert money from ‘productive’ use.
they divert attention from ‘productive’ work.
they can cause political unrest which in turn affects the economy.
big ponzis like the madoff ponzi, had a grave impact on the stock market and financial institutions. ponzi/pyramid losses can shut down banks, and even regular businesses which get caught up in their net. in the recent zeekrewards case an established payment processor had to shut its doors due to the aftermath.
so, even though your AIOP is piddly diddums it is a part of the same blight that spreads through the economy like a cancer.
You still aren’t looking closely.
There are many other businesses (Ozedit: Offtopic waffle about other businesses and industries removed)
More than 90% of participant in anything are already failing and that isn’t because of it’s a ponzi or pyramid, it’s because they are lazy and want the success to come to them.
Please, Name one business that has 20% success rate for it’s member with being a productive work.
And one more thing about the loss of the money, AIOP system requires 11$ or 22$ monthly so 132$ or 264$ yearly which isn’t a big loss. If you joined AIOP for a whole year and never earned a dime, you will loose 264$ in the worst case scenario.
I understand that you mean this kind of systems, not AIOP in specific. However, profits need hard work and better job you do the more profits you can have.
So, compare this affiliate system to any other affiliate system and tell the difference. You will always find that 90% are losing their money whatever the system was.
Many people replied that AIOP have a service so, it isn’t productive as you said. It is productive for the ones who use it.
There are nothing perfect my friend and we are supposed to deal with anything life or others throw in our faces.
And I am not an AIOP member I am just trying to be logical and fair.
You’d be better to direct your enquiry to the appropriate government agency/representative for the jurisdiction you live in.
Explain to them why the law governing this type of fraudulent scheme in your jurisdiction is not “logical and fair” and see if they’re willing to make changes.
@mahmood
You can make up all the excuses and strawman arguments you want.
The majority of participants in cash gifting schemes lose money, with those who got in early receiving most of the payments.
Gifting schemes are scams, and if you promote them you are a scammer. Bending over backwards to suggest otherwise is illogical.
@DGR
they won’t 🙂
@Oz
Sweet dreams, you’ve been saying this for more than three years and it is still online and paying. these are the facts. check them when you wake up.
so stealing a ‘little’ money is okay? what kind of idiotic argument is that?
creating ‘small’ losses does not make AIOP legal.
having a ‘product’ does not make AIOP legal.
‘still paying’ does not make AIOP legal.
do you have a sensible argument to bring to the table, or not?
Madoff Investments was “online” and “paying” for over twenty years.
Zeek Rewards was “online” and “paying” for more than two years.
Your point is ?????
@mahmood
unless the comp plan changes, they’ll continue to pay out as long as new participants sign up. That’s how cash gifting scams work.
@anjali
U r intentionally missing the point and don’t want to read. Nobody is stealing anything.
You logic still doesn’t express how aiop hurt economy and you know that many other businesses are hurting economy and legal.
@littleroundman
You have a point and I agree with you. That mean you are saying they will turn to scam in the future, not now.
@oz
If any business stopped getting new participants it will shut down. At least in most cases
I don’t have a big trust in aiop and its owners but they are still doing it for more than three years. I tried their service and it is good that’s all. I don’t like complicating things.
You can join aiop and use the auto responder and build your email list and lead capture pages for a cheap price and don’t affiliate for them.
They might face a problem with their payments system and they can change it to stay online if they were smart and professional.
We wasted a lot of time on this argument and as usual nobody seeks a truth or defend his own thoughts.
Good luck with your business dear fellow online marketers. Hope to see your success stories soon.
False. Legitimate businesses have retail customers, they don’t need a constant influx of new participants (affiliates).
There is no argument. Based on its busines model AIOP is a cash gifting scam.
The only people wasting time are those trying to argue otherwise.
I think some people are missing the technical review on this one.
The Autoresponder is massively inferior to the industry standard and you can purchase the same script here:
hotscripts.com/listing/plx-autoresponder-script/
Everything that has been added is just other inferior scripts from the early 2000’s so expect to not receive at least 30% of the people who sign up to the AR using the form.
Worse yet you are paying someone to effectively steal 50% of your leads. Thankfully no other Autoresponder does this but it seems to be ok with everyone who joins AIOP.
Personally I think the majority are in this for
a) the cash gifting
or
b) the lack of education (when we know you can get this stuff for a dirt cheap onetime fee. Very similar to Empower Network trying to get you to pay for a wordpress blog)
$11.50 a month and $10 goes to your upline who also takes your 2nd, 4th, 6th lead and $0.80 goes to paypal fees.
You can image how robust a system you are investing your future in when the owners have $0.70 per member to spend on the actual servers and script maintenance.
Do you think this business actually pays taxes? I don’t see how they could afford that as well.
Simply put if you want to spend you time promoting for you upline and paying them for the privilege then go ahead but you cannot deny these are just some very old unsecure scripts cobbled together and passed off as an all-in-one marketing system.
To get an answer on whether this is legal and not cash gifting ask yourself the question:
“If I didn’t make anything from this but knowing what I know now about how bad the scripts are would I pay $11.50 for this?”
And you have your answer.
Additional:
TrafficWave offers a retail option on signup. At this point you have a choice on whether you wish to become an affiliate of a customer and thats the difference between TW and AIOP (aside from the obvious cash gifting)
I been online since around 2007 and one thing is for sure, MLM or also called ponzy or pyramid schemes are illegal every where in the west.
when they get discovered they get shut down and the owners get prosecuted.
I remember when it became a big craze in the USA and some people made million dollars out of this schemes. the only down side is they can’t spend a dollar of they money anywhere in the USA or Europe.
Most of them are stuck on some island with little chance ever to return home without being prosecuted.
Like Tracy Davison formerly of Zeek Rewards,”The Sixty Second Millionaire”.
Currently scamming the economically depressed Philippines and its too trusting citizens that Zeek Rewards scammed him too and he’s just the NICEST guy, trying to make everyone in the world rich – “if only they would just CHANGE THEIR MINDS and become rich”, like too many of them think he is.
So a membership is not a product? (Ozedit: No, affiliate membership in MLM is not a product. Paragraphs of offtopic waffle removed.)
This thread started in 2012 and now we’re in 2016 and AIOP is standing as firm as can be.
Every body is giving their personal opinion so I might as well give mines.
To the uniformed AIOP is a rock solid Marketing system that I and many others personally used to build multiple businesses, it is really unfair and highly biased to read a review on a particular program written by someone who has no experience the program at all, GIVE A REVIEW FROM YOUR EXPERIENCE USING THE PROGRAM.
AIOP offers so many powerful tools in one place and the list follows.
1. Squeeze/Splash page builder.
2. Pro Auto-responder tool
3. Tracking
4. A URL rotator
5 Free Web hosting (God Damn..)
ALL FOR $11.50 and there are many more……
And on top of all that they still offers a powerful compensation plan for those looking to make an income.
So thats enough about the business lets talk about the owner or owners I honestly don’t know Isabella past but I do know her now through AIOP and from my experience cause we’re friend on fb her intention (which I do trust) is to have a business that help people in various types of businesses, again i’ll say its unfair and she don’t or shouldn’t have to come here to defend her past or explain much to anyone but the high level of bias-ness can trigger anyone.
We all don’t have a clean past cause we’re all not perfect. We all learn from our mistakes so really and truly most of y’all should check yourself before giving a review on someone else.
To close this boring post i’ll say that I’ve always been a reader of behindmlm.com reviews and comparing others to this one I can see a far distance and I should really reconsider some of their judgement on other programs or companies.
If you can still sit and look me in the eye and say that AIOP is a “simple cash gifting opportunity” you clearly lack the ability to distinguish the difference between a legit program and a scam and have a very high chance of making people loose money and opportunity.
Cash gifting schemes plod along for as long as recruitment of new participants takes place.
What you bundle with cash gifting payments is irrelevant, it’s pseudo-compliance.
Affiliates paying affiliates = cash gifting, period.
Yeah, if you want a bunch of marketing baloney (such as the bulk of your comment).
The core of an MLM opportunity review is analysis of the compensation plan. Which when it comes to All In One Profits, constitutes cash gifting.
I can tell you jumping off the roof of a ten storey building is a bad idea using only logic and common sense, without having to “experience” it myself.
I beg to differ, however my opinion is (Ozedit: irrelevant. The facts are affiliates paying affiliates = cash gifting.)
The problem is you offer your opinion with no evidence to back them up.
You didn’t even bother to name the methods how giving someone else money is a way to “grow their online business”. What is the money for? Promotion? Via what? What are these “competition offers” that you speak of?
THAT is why what you post is baloney.
Maybe you just file it under petty cash and call it good. But certainly don’t call it an investment.
One of the worst reviews I ever read…
You think money comes from air?
All In One Profits is just a company that sells web hosting and autoresponder, nothing else, it’s not for people who only join to make an infinity recruitment, it’s for resellers who want to help web designers or marketers find the products much cheaper in one place at the same quality.
It’s 2016 though, and the company still pays.
Affiliates pay affiliates. All In One Profits aren’t selling anything.
And will continue to “pay” as long as scammers such as yourself recruit new participants to steal from.
Except you can’t buy it. You have to join. So please, feel free to lie to yourself some more. Whatever makes you sleep better at night.
Webhosting + autoresponder doesn’t cost $11.50 a month. It should be closer to $5. Shop around and think about where you money went.
The name MLM justifies the business model other wise you will have to find another name for this industry. Its a model where customers are paid to create customers.
The creators wanted it this way and any other way may not appeal to a customer of it. Customers want it this way and in business customer is King at least where i come from.
What attracts me to buy xyz is if abcd is attached to it. I will invite my friends to come for same benefits i enjoy the same i invite them to a great movie i enjoy.
If you buy things and sell to customers without training others to do what you do then you can:t call that MLM. iT DOEsNT MATTER WHETHER you are doing It at AMWAY, AIOP or Microsoft.
If the customer stops paying for what they bought the income dries and that affects any establishment. MLM runs on principles of LEVERAGE & DUPLICATION. No Leverage &Duplication… No MLM.
^^ That’s nice.
Affiliates paying affiliates in MLM = cash gifting.
No sales to retail customers = pyramid scheme.
I just joined AIOP and very optimistic about it. No, i did not join for the income opportunity, however, that is a nice bonus.
I have a friend who also plans to join, because he says he can get rid of more expensive subscriptions elsewhere.
We are both joining for the tools and services such as unlimited autoresponder with 99%+ deliverabiilty, which by itself elsewhere could cost 2-6 times as much elsewhere.
It’s easy to write negative reviews, and slam any business that offers people a commission. All of life “is about shuffling money around.” That’s why people go to work, to get paid.
That’s why we pay others, to obtain good and services. I have another trusted friend and very honest christian minister using these AIOP services and tools for over a year. He is very pleased and says that here is mostly what i need online to get started.
However, if i find any real problems with this business and it’s services or tools, i will come back here and let you know. And i won’t have any guilt about receiving some commissions from telling others about AIOP if i find it is helping me as it has helped my friend to have these tools and services, save so much money, pays for itself, and produces honest income for himself and others by real services to real customers.
Who could ask for more? I don’t usually write on these reviews, but have noticed it’s the haters that are the poorest people of all in income and spirit.
Bonus or not, affiliates paying affiliates in MLM = cash gifting.
You got scammed by someone you know via religious affirmation. You scammed your friend. On and on it goes.
A scam is when your are being tricked into paying for something that is of NO value. This means the owner steals your money.
So when you join AIOP, did you get value for your products? Are you happy with your purchase? If you are then this is NOT a scam.
And if the owner decides to reward you for telling others about your happy purchase, that is his business. Why is that illegal?
There are many types of scams. Cash gifting, which sees All In One Profits affiliates pay each other directly, is one of them.
It is impossible to determine “value” in a cash gifting scheme in which no retail sales are made.
Steve… open a dictionary and look up the word ‘scam.’ I don’t think that you know what it actually means.
@Steve, The term SCAM is not delegated to one type. There are 100’s of different types of SCAMS out there.
Some Scams actually lead you to beleve that you have gotten value for what you purchased… and at the time you “THINK” your happy.. that is one type.
Nope. A scam can be someone tricked you into OVERPAYING for something, like someone sold you a fake Rolex for real Rolex price. You did get a watch, did you not? It runs and everything. It’s just not a Rolex.
By YOUR definition, it’s NOT a scam, since the fake watch is obviously of SOME value.
See where you went astray yet? Or do I need to draw you a map?
I joined AIOP because they offer an autoresponder for a cheaper price then the one I was using. The one I was using also paid commissions if you showed it to someone else and they decided to use it also.
Is getresponse a membership site also… AIOP offers a great service at an affordable price, no scam here in my book.
Spare us the “lulz, great products and services!” pseudo-compliance. What you attach to a cash gifting model doesn’t make it any less illegal.
If All in One Profits truly offered “a great service at an affordable price” they’d have no reason to attach it to an illegal commission structure.
And unless Get Response are also running a cash gifting model (I’m pretty sure they’re not), bring them up is a strawman.
Very interesting human psychology can be seen here.
I was a member in 2013 but I left in 6 months because I am not a computer man and didn’t have any worthwhile program to promote.
I was in the learning stage. I wanted to learn the use of autoresponder.
There is one person stuck up with some words/ phrases and a deep rooted belief of what is legal and what is illegal.
There are whole lot of people including myself trying to view the meaning of these words/phrases with a different perspective which supports AIOP and are trying hard to change this one man – the reviewer.
Is there any real requirement for that?
No! Except that we feel happy when we are able to force our point of view on others.
It is Aug 2019 and AIOP has been running successfully. What more is required. Some people like the product and some like the concept whether you call it a cash gifting model or any thing else.
Whether you like stealing money from people through fraudulent business models or not is irrelevant to the fact cash gifting is illegal.
You might be OK with stealing money from people through scams but that doesn’t make it any less illegal.
Okay, here’s my personal experience with AIOP.
It’s 2019, and I actually signed up woth AIOP 5 years ago and quit because of reading reviews like this.
What a “damned fool” I was for listening to people who are NOT web developers or internet marketers by trade. Beleiving AIOP would collapse because it would run out of “new users” is like saying “there will come a day on earth when 17 year olds would stop having 18th birthdays”.
That’s right, every year millions of people around the globe will be celebrating tbeir 18th birthday, and millions of those will be excited to start a new career in Internet Marketing including: advertising, ecom, and yes, referral/affiliate marketing as well.
That being said, they will need Hostgator, Aweber, landing page, graphic/video design, etc.
When I stopped being a fool and started to think fir myself, that’s the thought thst came to mind. It’s like saying, “people will stop renting apartments once there are no more people who will be interested in finding affordable housing. Every year, tbere are millions who will turn 18 and be qualified to rent an apartment.
The only way people will NOT be interested in AIOP, is if Hostgator shuts down, and/or AIOP stops paying commissions, and takes everbody’s money and run.
Using that simple logic, last week I closed my expensive and very limited GetResponse account and rejoined AIOP.
GetResponse has a referral program that pays pennies because there is NO leverage from the sales made by the “superstars” that YOU recruit. YOU bring in the “superstars,” abd GetResponse, Aweber, Mailchimp, and countkess others keep all of tbe money.
With AIOP I can bring in 1 “superstar” and retire for life.
Who cares if the owners of AIOP make money from being on the very top tier of their own affiliate program?
It was their genious, and initial hard work to get tbe word out. It was theur advertising dollars and creative ad copies thst kickstarted the whole thing.
And look what they have done. They literraly help thousands earn a living: food in babies mouths, children sent to college, etc.
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Last I checked, when people take other people’s money without their knowledge or against their will that’s called “stealing or theft”
Saying affiliates are “stealing” money from new members who choose to become affiliates themselves, is like saying affiliates are “literally stealing money from new affiliates”. Who has time and energy to even read negative nonsense like that.
Cash gifting relies on new recruitment, which will inevitably dry up. This is indisputable fact.
You’re free ignore this fact but don’t think for a second you’re fooling anyone with your excuses. Fraud is fraud.
Anyone doing their due-diligence into gifting scams. Understanding how a gifting scam works is fundamental to avoiding the fraudulent business model.
Anything but cash gifting. You’re delusional if millions of new people are interested in getting scammed by you each year.
factual. The reason it’s theft is because scammers such as yourself solicit payments under the false pretense that All In One Profits is anything but an unsustainable cash gifting scheme.
Also if you look at recent comments #137 and #135 it appears someone is coaching their downlines to pretend they joined years ago, quit and then decided to scam years later.
NO silly arguements, just the facts:
Fact 1a: GetResponse (Ozedit: is not a gifting scheme. Derails removed.)
Fact 2b: AIOP offers an optional referral program called “the Reverse Even Up” plan. However, unlike Getresponse they pay cold hard cash using what is called “leverage” in our industry.
They pay you $10 for every “odd numbered member” you recruit, plus ALL of the “even numbered” recruits in that entire payline through infinity.
AIOP does NOT have 1 single complaint for delaying payments in their 7 year history.
Fact 3a: GetResponse (Ozedit: is not a gifting scheme. Derails removed.)
Looking at the hard facts, how can anyone claim AIOP does NOT have a real retail product to sell? The referral program is an option. Most people such as myself buy AIOP for it’s bargain and rock solid, stable, performance, and NOT the optional referral program.
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Facts about the referral program.
Fact 1: I’ve read here that it’s cash gifting because the company pays 100% commissions.
NO, cash gifting is when people “gift cash” to their sponsor because there is NO real product or service being rendered that’s equal to or greater than the amount of cash that’s being spent. Hence the term “gift or give away”.
Fact 2: I’ve read here that AIOP pays 100% commissions and therefore it’s NOT sustainable.
NO, the owners of the company makes millions of dollars every single month because they have spent thousands of dollars recruiting their own “odd numbered” paylines. ALL of the “even numbered” recruits in their paylines are being passed up to them.
That’s a blessing because it gives them a million dollar monthly incentive to stay in business and NOT close shop and run like HYIPs Ad Rev Share, or Ponzi cash gifting scams.
Fact 3: I’ve read here that AIOP is a Ponzi that will implode as soon as they run out of new recruits.
NO, as long as billions of people worldwide celebrate their 18th birthdays, they will be legal age to join the Internet Marketing industry. Saying AIOP will run out of new members to recruit is like saying Hostgator will run out if new members to recruit.
Besides, even if there are NO new members, the old members will continue to pay the $11.50 monthly fee because of the real value and savings being offered by AIOP. Meaning, people who are currently getting paid, will continue to get paid hereafter.
The truth/facts will make you free!
Quote from Oz:
My fair defense: This is where you’re truly wrong my friend. I’ve used AIOP along with my web developement degree and skillset, plus 19 years of I.M. experince to build and giveaway a FREE powerful marketing funnel called (Ozedit: link removed, marketing spam)
where I give away: $20K worth of my very own, custom designed, landing pages (50 pages X $400 each. Fivver prices), plus 5 new pages every songle month (an addiditional $2K per month).
My landing pages incorporates live video on demand in the background of every page, and that’s worth $75 per month alone(Vimeo prices).
A built-in downline builder for the Top 21 traffic exchanges (that’s an additional 21 landing pages: 21 x $400 = $8,400). Plus 21 new landing pages every other month ($8,400).
A built-in vacation incentives program valued at $997 per year: (Ozedit: link removed, marketing spam) prices.
A built-in, Facebook virtual assistant SaaS. Valued at $297 per year: (Ozedit: link removed, marketing spam) prices.
Plus free coaching on affiliate/referral marketing.
(Ozedit: links removed, marketing spam. Offtopic spam also removed)
Why are immoral scumbags always talking about Christ?
You are officially a crackpot and despite your ravings on here your actions have left many broke. You are filth.
@ Brian Ski
His own words:
My defense: I havent launched my AIOP business yet. Launch dates is Nov.19 2019.
That being stated,
“who have I left broke? You ckearly stated thag I left ‘many broke’.”
“How did I leave many broke when 1 single person has NOT seen my AIOP business yet?”
“How would I leave people “broke” when AIOP only charges $11.50 per month. Can $11.50 per month break somebody even in countries such as India?”
“How can I leave people in India broke, when I design their marketing funnel, and ALL landing pages completely FREE of charge?”
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Where you have or haven’t used AIOP doesn’t change the fact that its compensation plan is that of an gifting scheme.
You cannot legitimize illegal cash gifting by attaching products and services to it.
A bullshit claim you cannot make unless you’ve policed the entire internet and have run AIOP’s support account for the entirety of the past seven years.
Because AIOP doesn’t offer anything outside of the gifting scheme.
Everyone is a participant in the attached scam opportunity. There are no retailable products or services.
False. MLM cash gifting = affiliates paying affiliates. Period.
they sit at the top of a pass-up chain of illegal gifting payments. Stop making excuses for scammers.
Maybe, but what you can’t put forth with any supporting evidence is any of these 18 year olds are interested in joining illegal gifting schemes.
So this is another bullshit claim to make.
This is yet another statement not supported by fact. In every gifting scheme those at the bottom stop paying when there’s nobody left to scam. AIOP is no different.
All gifting schemes eventually run out of people to scam. All gifting schemes thus eventually collapse.
Agreed. And if you want to remain financially free, best to avoid gifting scams like AOIP.
@ Oz
His words: “A bullshit claim you cannot make unless you’ve policed the entire internet and have run AIOP’s support account for the entirety of the past seven years.”
Are you sure you meant to write something so feeble?
Why do I need to police “the entire internet” when I can simply Google “AIOP delayed or stole my commissions”.
Not one youtube video or post, not one complaint or ripoff report stating AIOP defrauded payments.
Any Hoo, I don’t “debate”. I only dispute using documented facts.
I dont have to argue that your definition of “cash gifting” is nothing more than a fabrication created by you for the sole purpose of (Ozedit: nutjob conspiracy theories removed)
The law thats on the books makes your claims appear futile as it clearly states (cut & paste not my own words):
That’s right, read it and weep Mr.Oz because the law makes YOU look like a silly con artist posing as an authority on your own blog.
If AIOP was a real “cash gifting scam” as you so vehemently claim, then the feds would have either investigated, audited, and charged each snd every U.S. affiliate for tax fraud who has received $13,000 of “cash gifts” within a calender year.
I bet YOU wont post this either, but who cares.
I’m going to recieve six figures worth of “cash gifts (as you call them)” along with a very robust marketing tool kit, and NOT loose a wink of sleep worrying about AIOP shutting down, not getting any future Internet Marketers to recruit, or going to jail.
You and every person who has supported you on this phony blog are clueless if you think everyone is going to be fooled by you!
So what you censor my strong points. Have a good one!
“Hysterically, laughing at you!”
Basing a blanket statement on a Google search is folly. The fact remains you cannot make claims about AIOP complaints company-wide for the reasons stated.
You’re confusing gifting sums of money between individuals for tax purposes and illegal gifting schemes.
These are two entirely different concepts which I suggest you educate yourself on.
“But we haven’t been shut down!” isn’t a defense of AIOP’s fraudulent business model.
AIOP is a cash gifting scheme because funds are gifted from newly recruited participants to those that recruited them.
Whether the scam has been shut down or not has no bearing on AIOP’s giftng model being fraudulent.
Best of luck with the scamming. And preemptively sorry for your loss.
Nope you’re conflating the Federal TAXATION laws with the Federal laws governing illegal pyramid schemes
Pyramid schemes are illegal in every state in the USA, no matter whether they are referred to as cash gifting or pyramid or endless chain recruiting.
In fact, it is both illegal to participate in and / or recruit for such schemes , so, you’re wrong on multiple counts
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Just answer this simple question:
AIOP resells webhosting for Hostgator yes?
And Hostgator currently charges $2.75 per month for 500 gigs of shared hosting, yes?
Out of the $11.50 chsrged by AIOP, that leaves them charging $8.75 for 3 of their own softwares:
1) The unlimited autoresponder,
2) The team rotator, and
3) the mlm software that handles all admin and payments for everyone (let me tell you MLM scripts are NOT cheap), abd if they have paid to patent their comp plan as they claim thst’s not cheap either. Plus they have to run those scripts on heavily secured and very robust servers, also very expensive.
4) They pay to market AIOP to help us affiliates promote a real, legitimate opportunity. They pay for copywriters, graphic designers
(albeit they definitely need to update tbeur site, but that’s my opinion. The rrason why they don’t is because tbey market heavily on the traffic exchanges.
And just like the owners of the traffic exchanges, I bet they like “that ugly, vintage look and feel because it represents “tenure” and stability, just like vintage coke bottles being sold at Cracker Barrel.)
Any Hoo, all of that for a measley $8.75 per month.
Sorry for the “rant” as one if your loyal followers calls it (educated people call it “elaboration”), let me get to the question:
WHY DO YOU KEEP SAYING: “It’s a ‘cash gifting’ scam because AIOP does not retail any digital products, but rather “memberships” when you clearly see and hear the real retail products listed above?
Are you officially nuts?
No for real, you dont sound like “you’ re all there to me buddy”.
Here’s something else that sounds lime your nuts; you keep echoing AIOP only sells “memberships”. Let me tell you, as a web developer I know first hand, anytime a client request for us to code .Net or ASP (the so-called “back end” of the stack) it requires us to build a database (think php myadmin), and we charge them heavy for that because we call it a “membership” site.
Even WordPress sels themes called “Membership”. All hosting companies or any company that requires registration and provides a user “dashboard” is a “membership” site.
Conclusion, of course AIOP sells “memberships” to grant access to their digital products or everyone could access their products for free.
Come on guys, you all sound too emotional and acting like immature reprobates or something.
Yes, $8.75 for their very own proprietary digital software. So what if it looks antiquated. They paid for it 7 years ago, so it’s theirs.
Real “retail,” digital products and services managed by real staff, yet you insist on saying “cash gifting,” like you don’t know you’re lying at this point.
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No idea. What I can tell you though is AIOP’s own website is hosted in the Netherlands (lolololol).
In any event, I’ll reiterate that a gifting scheme remains a gifting scheme irrespective of what you add to it.
As for retail products, if you aren’t retailing products and services to retail customers – you’re in a scam.
Retail customers are completely cut off from the compensation plan, which doesn’t exist in AIOP.
Affiliates paying affiliates in MLM = cash gifting. End of story.
Okay, once again, I’ m a stickler to the facts.
@ littleroundman
His exact words in quotes:
“You’re conflicting the federal tax laws with Federal laws governing pyramid schemes”
Okay, fair enough. Therefore, I’ll post those Federal laws as well so we can end useless ranglings. Here is the law as it is written in the FTC website (.org):
Let’s begin:
(Stop here: You see, it’s up to the Feds to determine if AIOP has real “goods” to sale to the public or not, and NOT “biased,” opinionated bloggers who are NOT real authorities in this space.
AND yes, the Feds will clearly rule “membership subscriptions” as a viable good to be sold. (Ozedit: Snip, see below)
I appreciate MLM regulation is new to you but please go and do some research beyond some shallow Google searches.
Without the sale of products and/or services to retail customers an MLM company operates as a pyramid scheme.
All In One Profits has no retail offering.
The reason memberships don’t count is they are tied to the business opportunity. That ties any commissions (gifting payments in this instance) to recruitment.
If you want specific examples of how regulators define retail sales refer to the FTC cases against Vemma and Herbalife.
Neither were gifting schemes but in both cases retail customers were clearly defined.
@Oz
My reply: I dont follow you on this my friend. Hostgator is an international entity. Like most major hosting companies. They have server nodes located aroundvthe globe You csn resell Hostgator even if you live in Zimbabwe.
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@Oz
What does this even mean?
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The point I was making is All In One Profits’ own website doesn’t use their own offered hosting.
I suggest you get some help with this. If English isn’t your first language then hire a translator.
@Oz
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You said this:
No my clueless friend: The reason why AIOP does not use the same Hostgator service to hist their own site is because it’s NOT possible for technical reasons.
The Hostgator accounts that they resell are “shared accounts”.
The AIOP website requires a “DEDICATED” SERVER and NOT a shared server.
Not only that, but their AIOP site requires an “ENTERPRISE LEVEL” DEDICATED SERVER that has a bandwidth than can serve millions of “strings” or request per minute.
Their server must have millions of INODES in order to store all of the files for member’s profiles such as registration files, profile pictures, etc.
Their server also requires additional encryption to protect from DDS attacks and hacking. They must protect ALL user financial records and transactions from hackers.
Their server must have major redundancy to backup every single record every 1 minute of a 24 hour day.
HOSTGATOR DOES NOT SPECIAL IN THIS TYPE OF HOSTING, at best, Hostgator can provide basic VPS hosting for very small businesses.
So it’s NOT that I needed help with the English languafe to understand your clueless and pointless rhetoric.
It’s that YOU needed help with learning about Information Technology before making such a stupid and slanderous statement in the first place.
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AIOP’s website has an Alexa ranking of 74,000 and dropping. That’s a few thousand website visits a day.
Easily done on a dedicated server, enterprise or otherwise.
And there is no point engaging your “AIOP needs this that and the other”, because you’re making it up as you go along.
You have no idea what AIOP does or doesn’t need because you don’t have access to their backend.
@James… After reading all your disputes, and counter disputes as well of facts presented back to you… it seems like you are not willing to accept any other reality than the ones you have created for yourself.
Question to you…
How much time have you spent trying to recruit others?
@yo
My answer: none,
I dont “recruit”. I’m an affiliate marketer, I only paste links.
I dont call people’s phones. I dont make appearances on stages.
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I cannot comment on the law in other countries but a mlm company is legit in the United States if they have a viable product which a person can purchase and use without any requirement to recruit. Your criticism of AIOP is unfortunate.
I was an AIOP customer for years prior to deciding to market the program. And, I will continue to be a customer with or without a compensation plan attached.
Why? The products work for what I am trying to do. This is the bottom line.
Am I saying these tools work for everyone? Of course not. But, they do work for those that use them. AIOP has never blown up my email inbox with emails about recruiting. It is an option for members and not a requirement.
In my opinion AIOP has one of the best compensation plans I have seen in the last 30 years I have been a MLMer.
Your comment about the $1.50 not being able to cover the cost of hosting plus operational costs is questionable. I have worked with a major international internet services company and can tell you that when it comes to shared hosting the costs are extremely low.
Why? Because your customers share the cost. So for example, if my operational costs are $1,000 a month and I charge $1 a month for my service my operational cost goes to $0 a month. It’s simple mathematics.
The more customers you have the more that can absorb the costs. So it is not unrealistic for AIOP to only charge $1.50.
The bottom line is this… AIOP has been operating a legit company since 2012. They have never been shut down by any government.
They have been paying month after month and year after year. This company works for those that need these types of products. The time for criticism is over.
The time for praising AIOP for what they have accomplished is here.
False. I suggest you don’t comment on US law either if you’re just going to make it up.
Furthermore cash gifting is illegal in the US.
Best or not is irrelevant when we’re talking cash gifting.
As for shared hosting, no reputable online company that provides services operates on shared hosting.
“But we haven’t been shut down yet” is not a justification for fraud.
No False my friend. AIOP is not a cash gifting program. Your lack of knowledge of this program is apparent. A person makes money the same way all legit programs makes money. As people become affiliates of this program the sponsor makes money from their active subscription. That is neither gifting nor is it fraud. The United States allows legit mlm participants to earn commissions from the purchase of products or services. Where is your evidence that AIOP is cash gifting? Also, your assertion that reputable companies don’t sell shared hosting is not true. Have you heard of companies such as Host Gator, Network Solutions, and Go Daddy? All reputable international companies that provide shared hosting. I worked for Go Daddy my friend. As I stated, AIOP is a proven and legit company whose services work for those that use them. Instead of hating on them why not get knowledgeable about them. Everything you need to know about them is on their website. Not being shut down in over 7 years of operation is a mark that this is not a fraud. Online fraud is a huge problem. The FTC in the United States scrutinizes MLM companies like no other industry. This is a very public company. Why use this forum to display your hatred and lack of knowledge about the program and file a complaint with the FTC. At the end of the investigation you will see this amazing company still going strong and legally operating in virtually every country on the face of the planet. Happy holidays to you.
One last comment about this before I break off from this pointless so-called review. It has been stated that AIOP offers no retail products. I WAS a customer prior to starting to market the affiliate program.
The products are available for anyone to use. The fact that this is subscription based does not diminish from this being retail oriented.
Other companies set up a subscription for hosting and other services. Before you say which ones, Go Daddy for one. I worked for them for years so I know.
If you go to the All In One Profits website you can set up a subscription for their products and services, without any requirement to market. This is an option for their members only.
Like all legit mlm companies marketing is an option and not a requirement.
Unfortunately your knowledge abut this program is lacking. This amazing program has been running with the same business model from 1 week prior to this so-called pathetic review until the present day.
If you are not a fan of AIOP so what. You are entitled to not be fan of their business model. But to bash AIOP and call it a scam is based on no knowledge of the program whatsoever.
Your review is no more credible than there being cheese on the moon. The problem is people read this garbage and buy into the lies you are spewing and refuse to do research themselves.
Good luck to all you haters. I’ve got to go and spend my AIOP commissions and set up another website in my AIOP back office.
Nope. You signed up as an affiliate. Just because you hadn’t scammed anyone yet doesn’t not make you an affiliate.
This was made clear by the FTC in both the Herbalife and Vemma settlements.
GoDaddy isn’t an MLM company, what they do or don’t do is irrelevant. Moreso when scammers try to compare GoDaddy to illegal gifting schemes.
Recruitment being optional does not make All In One Profits any less of an illegal cash gifting scheme (cliche scammer excuse).
For OZ here is a great FTC article to read. ftc.gov/tips-advice/business-center/guidance/business-guidance-concerning-multi-level-marketing
In particular, you should read #3. AIOP does not offer an unfair or deceptive commission structure that does not respond to consumer need.
Their services are in fact needed by the public and they are more than reasonably priced.
Trying to pass off cash gifting as legitimate retail-orientated MLM is deceptive by definition.
Go read up on the Herbalife and Vemma settlements. Also:
https://behindmlm.com/companies/latest-ftc-guidance-to-mlm-industry-emphasizes-retail-sales/
https://behindmlm.com/mlm/ftc-mlm-companies-with-little-to-no-retail-activity-are-illegal/
“But we have products!” is pyramid excuses #101 from the early 2000s.
Again with the cash gifting comment with no evidence. A 100% commission structure does not constitute cash gifting.
How do you know AIOP has no retail stats available? As I stated I started as a customer.
I have at least 3 in my AIOP downline that only use AIOP’s products for their own use and have no desire whatsoever to market the program.
Affiliates paying affiliates in MLM is literally the definition of cash gifting.
Because everyone is an affiliate.
Look if you’re not familiar with AIOP’s comp plan fine but please stop wasting my time with dumbass questions.
Doesn’t matter. They’re still affiliates recruited into a gifting scheme by you (ref: Vemma, Herbalife FTC settlements).
Oz did you miss the part where I stated that I was a customer first. It is not a dumb ass question it is a fact.
An affiliate would indicate that I had signed up to market the program. I did not. Good luck to you OZ.
No, I didn’t. I just ignored it because you don’t seem to understand what a retail customer is in MLM.
There are no retail customers in AIOP. Everyone is an affiliate participating in the gifting scheme.
Best of luck with the scamming.
I’ve just had a look at All in One Profits’ website.
The contact address which they claim is in the Netherlands is in fact in Belize City in central America and is used by offshore entities associated with the Panama Papers money laundering scandal.
If indeed they are based there, and let’s face it the owners could be just about anywhere, it would go a long way to explaining why AIOP has lasted this long.
What country the phone number connects to is anybody’s guess.
The site claims that it doesn’t set any cookies which is a complete lie.
All the testimonials are ancient and none of the links included in them go to working websites.
Given the cheapskate look of the site with its stock images, the fake address, the dodgy phone number and the rubbish testimonials I’m surprised that anybody with half an ounce of sense would fall for its marketing spiel but, as they say, there’s a sucker born every minute as the stream of affiliates who have posted on here proclaiming All in One Profits to be the greatest thing since sliced bread was invented have proved.
I looked into that dubious address information a while back, but it didn’t seem worth posting about at the time.
Besides the incomplete Belize address which they try to hide is in Belize, there is this:
“Technical Service: Netherlands, North Brabant”. Which is very odd. First, who gives a whole province as a location?
Second, addresses in the Netherlands don’t include the province.
Anyway, I did come across an address for Johan van Geffen on some site (I’m not going to try and find it again), definitely the same person, in the city of Tilburg, which is in the right province.
It shows a small house in a residential neighbourhood, a house of a type and size that is mostly owned by social housing corporations, which provide affordable housing for those on lower incomes.
The “customer service” phone number I also looked into, and that’s a genuinely existing US number, of a landline in Las Vegas.
One reason they could have lasted so long as such things go is that one or both of the owners (assuming they’re not just fronting for someone else) could have some other modest but steady income.
The Netherlands have a very generous welfare state, and the house linked to Van Geffen’s name would definitely be consistent with someone on some kind of state benefit.
This whole AIOP thing could well be just something to fill the time, which perhaps makes them a bit of extra cash, and which they can keep going for as long as it doesn’t actually lose any money.
More of a hobby, really. Of course, they’re probably trying to fly under the Dutch tax radar for any additional income, which would also be a reason to obscure their address.
12/19/2020
Well here we are. AIOP still going strong.
Not to bad for a scam wouldn’t you say SON!
You’re on your own in measuring how successful All in One Profits has been at running a gifting scam.
My analysis stopped upon identification of All in One Profits being an illegal gifting scheme.
AIOP was a gifting scheme when I wrote this review and still is. How long it runs for is irrelevant.
Alexa shows victims currently being recruited in the US and Trinidad and Tobago.
Math is math. The majority of participants in gifting schemes are guaranteed to lose money.