Poland’s OCCP: “Lyoness is a Ponzi scheme”
Following an investigation into Lyoness Europe AG, the Office of Competition and Consumer Protection in Poland are claiming Lyoness “can be a Ponzi scheme“.
Not surprisingly, the OCCP’s claim relates to the accounting unit investment scheme Lyoness have buried within their merchant shopping network:
The company offers participants the opportunity to receive material benefits that are conditional on the recruitment by them of other people into the program.
The program participant must first make a down payment on the purchase of vouchers or gift cards of Lyoness partners or make purchases with them.
Using gift cards and vouchers as a cover to mask the injection of funds by new Lyoness affiliates is a well-entrenched excuse used by Lyoness affiliates to defend the scheme. Unfortunately though, there’s no escaping the fact that if a Lyoness affiliate deposits money with the company, recruits enough new investor affiliates who do the same, that ultimately they will receive a >100% cash ROI.
Theoretically one can wait for shopping to generate enough units, but this in no way negates the much quicker accounting unit investment route.
The OCCP’s investigation into Lyoness follows an unsuccessful attempt to shut Lyoness down by the Public Prosecutor’s Office of Kielce (a city in Poland). Due to a ‘lack of evidence justifying suspicion of (Lyoness) having committed an offense under Art. 286 pairs. 1 of the Penal Code‘, the Public Prosecutors were ‘order to discontinue‘ the case.
At this stage the OCCP investigation appears to be in its early stages, with the agency currently seeking ‘all persons who may have information on this subject, to submit it to the agency‘.
Should the OCCP then take further action upon analysis of information submitted to them by the Polish public, the agency itself can issue “penalties” against Lyoness Europe AG, with the possibility of “criminal liability” facing those who are running the scheme locally.
At the time of publication there are an estimated 100,000 Lyoness affiliates in Poland.
Following the OCCP’s announcement, Lyoness spokesperson Mathias Vorbach issued a response:
Receiving benefits in the Lyoness loyalty program is conditional only on purchases carried out by its members. A member of the program is also able to command the program to other consumers. If a person invited to make a purchase, a member of the program receives up to 0.5 percent of the purchase in the form of a bonus.
The benefits of participation are paid after reaching a fixed minimum amount and do not depend in any way on contributions of new participants. There is no question of any criterion that would suggest the construction of a pyramid scheme.
All the benefits in Lyoness are due to the fact that companies are paying affiliates individually agreed commissions, so they can sell products or services directly or by using coupons.
With this commission we finance cashbacks, bonuses and all the other benefits.
Therefore, the program Lyoness does not require any payment from the new entrants to the participants, who are already members of the program.
Like I said before, you can generate a ROI via the creation of account units by shopping, but that in no way negates the direct investment in units by affiliates and the subsequent recruitment of new affiliates (who also invest), to generate that same ROI.
Following the flow of money through Lyoness would quickly reveal that the merchant network isn’t conjuring up the hundreds of dollars (or thousands at the upper levels), that Lyoness pay out each time an account unit position matures.
Affiliate money goes in, affiliate money goes out to affiliates who deposited earlier. It’s that simple.
Update 13th February 2020 – On December 30th, 2019, UOKiK ruled Lyoness is a pyramid scheme.
You guys still dont get it. It is about to happen ! Lyoness is already cooperating with Ebay, amazon, Apple and Microsoft. Distrubutors of other MLM companies are offering their products thru the cashback system. No down payment on units to get cash back no fees just benefits.
Why dont you get it still Lyoness is going to the Nr. 1 company worldwide. The chief of the OCCP IS ALREADY THROWN OUT OF HER JOB! There is going to be a big apologize. You cant stop US we are going to suck in everyone. 1 bilion people till 2020 see US acheving this.
@LyoleaderPoland
Uh, co-operating? You mean someone from Lyoness corporate incognito buys a bunch of gift cards to use in the AU investment scheme, right? That’s hardly co-operating. Not in a business sense.
You do know Lyoness is over ten years old right? It has survived solely on the pre-loading of accounting units in new countries.
To date I’m unaware of any country Lyoness has launched in that has any significant shopping unit creation (as compared to direct AU investment).
Fortunately they’re slowly running out of first-world countries to migrate to. India is next I believe, with the company currently urging affiliates to pre-load the AU investment scheme there to get it started (official launch mid 2014 from what I read).
No ingognito my friend we are using their logos all over the place.
There is online shopping, merchant shopping and shopping at small and medium size places (restaurants,hotels…)
Are you d….? How can Microsoft Apple and Amazon Not know cooperating with the biggest company in the World Lyoness? How can they Not know in a information age and surrounded by the best lawyers.
WTF is wrong w u haters?
We have over 36.000 places that accept our card. Enough for you Oz ?
Sorry 36,000 places I can walk into use a Lyoness card in Poland or 36,000 places that sell Lyoness gift cards globally?
Either way, neither answer negates the AU investment scheme – which has nothing to do with the merchant network.
Like I said, they’re not. Entering in details into an online business directory != cooperating. Neither is buying gift cards.
And trying to pass of your scheme’s legitimacy on the back of another reputable company’s due diligence is the oldest trick in the book. Lyoness signs up as an affiliate, either incognito or as a company, they then pass on whatever commission they receive as a cashback to their members. Any business can sign up as an affiliate, this doesn’t mean the parent company had their lawyers go over their business model.
Call up Microsoft, Apple and Amazon and ask them about their co-operation with Lyoness. Better yet, walk into an Apple store and tell them you want to use a Lyoness card.
33 in the US that accepts gift cards, as per Lyoness.net
Poland, cashback card.. 1282 merchants.
Gift card… only 17 merchants.
Again, per Lyoness.net
MLM’ers are basically naive in terms of the real business world. And, most of them stop their due diligence at “how much can I make” and “how little effort is required.”
@ Lyoliderpoland I remember being pitched Lyoness a few months ago by one of the Top Distributors in the USA. I was told Lyoness had “partnered” with Walmart (to get my attention and interest) and I was asked to “invest” $3,300 up front.
Lyoliderpoland – is Walmart still “partnered” with Lyoness as you say is the case with Microsoft, Apple and Amazon NOW?
What, a Lyoness affiliate lying or using deception to represent the scheme falsely!? Well I never…
Since Lyoliderpoland never responded to my question, I checked and can confirm – Walmart is no longer on their website as a Gift Card merchant.
Poland’s OCCP: “Lyoness is a Ponzi scheme”
When other merchants learn of the findings of the OCCP, do you think they will do the same thing as Walmart?
These companies have spent billions creating a positive “brand” for themselves. Will they risk it all with an MLM model?
I would suggest most of them DO NOT even realized Lyoness is using their good name to build their deal. It is rare that Lyoness actually deals directly with these merchants. Actually, it appears they are dealing with a 3rd party vendor in most cases.
Once the “major brands” of the world find out about the Lyoness model, I believe they too will do as Walmart did and leave.
@MLM
Given that there’s no relationship in the first place (anyone can buy Walmart gift cards), I think it’s more a case of “stop using our logo to imply a non-existent business partnership – and stop telling your affiliates as such”.
Anytime Lyoness buy gift cards from a company the internet gets flooded with BS claims of Lyoness partnering with them.
TVI Express done this way back when… Swissair sent them a “cease and desist” and it came back “Undeliverable address”
Borrowing other people’s credibility had always been part of scam. And people already invested in the scam will simply fit any fact they see and “spin” it into their own narrative, even without ANY prompting by the company.
One more reason why MLM is a flawed model: company simply has virtually NO control over the rep. No training, no evaluation, no probation period, no nothing.
@Oz
And that is probably why Lyoliderpoland has stopped posting. He checked and found out Walmart is no longer available to Lyoness customers.
Lyoness top reps in the USA are pushing the India Booking Investment Deal real hard right now. Invest $10,000 or more and then do nothing to earn BIG returns.
Is this basically the way it works? If so, why aren’t they required to register with the SEC?
Maybe all of this will be cleared up soon:
“Poland’s OCCP: “Lyoness is a Ponzi scheme””
Pretty much. India has a large population so if they break into that market that’ll be the source of AU ROIs for a while. If not they’ll tout some other region.
Lyoness hasn’t really broken into Asia yet so India’s probably a warm test for them.
I would hardly doubt that the chief of the OCCP was thrown out of her job over an investigation into Lyoness’s alleged pyramid/ponzi scheme. A lot of people have the view that Lyoness is a pyramid scheme which can only be proven in court.
Your comment “we are going to suck in everyone” just about says it all!
Lyoness opened in Australia advertising that two of Australia’s leading retailers Woolworths and Harvey Norman were Lyoness loyalty merchants.
Woolworths have advised that they had executives attend the opening event of Lyoness to find out why Lyoness were using Woolworths trade marks in the promotion of their scheme.
Woolworths and Harvey Norman are no longer represented on Lyoness’s Australian website and it has now become public knowledge that the Australian Consumer Competition Commission is investigating Lyoness following complaints being filed by consumers.
You might want to check with Microsoft, Apple & Amazon to confirm if Lyoness does have a business relationship with these companies.
You mught also want to check that the contact details on the Lyoness website for these companies is in fact the phone number of Microsoft, Apple & Amazon you may be very surprised if the number on the Lyoness website is your local Lyoness office rather than the respective retailers.
Microsoft gives 8% worldwide to Lyoness Members. Online. Do you guys think they dont know they signed a contract with Lyoness??? Please dont tell me also that Apple dont know they signed up with us. Partner merchands come and go this is buisness my friends.
See US growing and you wasting time on blogs 🙂
Ps. In over 18.000 partnerpoints We do accept mobile lyoness paying thru the App(2 steps ahead of Visa/MasterCard one step closer to be a Bank! If you didnt know!).
Please count by urself + online stores + metchants with elder mterms + Chain metchants like KIKA in Austria where they do accepts the CASHBACK CARD. GOOD night Bye Bye
Unless that’s the regular (Microsoft) affiliate rate, I’m gunna call bullshit on that one.
Cool, or you can just still invest in Accounting Units.
Ultimately whatever else they attach to the unit investment scheme is irrelevant.
From Microsoft’s affiliate page (which just about anyone can sign up for)
“Earn up to 10% commission on the selling price of eligible products.”
So 8% is possible.
No doubt. But any clown can sign up.
Gotta love it when affiliates attempt to market exclusivity to something anyone can sign up for.
I am an online merchant here in australia on the Lyoness network. I’ve had to sign contracts and be accepted as a merchant, and receive specific codes to add to my website so that whenever a Lyoness member purchases from my site the cookies work to ensure Lyoness and the member receive the benefits.
The same would have been set up for Microsoft and Apple as they are online merchants within the Lyoness Loyalty program. So Lyoness would have conducted their own due diligence of the companies and of course Microsoft and Apple have done their own; to what degree, that’s their business. They just did not fall into this with eyes shut.
I suspect the staff at Microsoft and Apple are a little smarter than some of the authors of this site but that’s just my wild guess.
Not all merchants are the same. Lyoness are notorious for going out and buying a bunch of giftcards, and then claiming merchant partnership with companies. Walmart in the US was a good example of this from memory. There have been others too.
If Lyoness sign up as an affiliate locally in a country and integrate that into their merchant network (which is separate from the AU investment scheme), it’s done without the signing of any official agreements (other than a possible affiliate agreement signed by Lyoness locally in that country, the same as anyone wishing to sign up as an affiliate).
We have 36.000 places that either accept our cashbackcard/mobile paying/giftcards/internet stores.
DOWN PAYMENTS CAN ALWAYS BE USED UP FOR UR SHOPPING. ITS IS IMPOSSIBLE TO LOOSE MONEY WITH LYONESS. IF PEOPLE DO NOT KNOW HOW TO RE-CASH THEIR DOWN PAYMENTS GO TO UR UPLINE.
YOU DO NOT HAVE TO REFER THE PROGRAM TO SAVE MONEY. YOU DO NOT HAVE TO PUT DOWN PAYMENTS INTO THE SYSTEM.
AND YES YOU CAN THEORETICALLY MAKE A FORTUNE LINKIN COMPANIES TOGETHER AND DO BETOBE CASHFLOW THRU LYONESS(AS A UPLINE OF THE CASHFLOW). NO INVESTMENTS NO AU’S DOWN PAYED AND STILL MAKING MMMMONEY!
HAHAHA U GUYS ARE JUST HATER GET UR CASHBACKCARD AND START SAVING MONEY!
But the reality is they’re used to facilitate an investment scheme.
Invest and don’t recruit any new investors. Let me know how long it takes you get your money out.
But you can, and that’s how all the top earners make money.
Optional or not, the AU investment scheme is a problem.
Yes, that’s obviously it. Hole in one chief.
Obviously the biggest business brains of Canada can’t possibly understand your model because they ridiculed the guy trying to pitch Lyoness to them out of the room, on national tv (Dragon’s Den Canadian edition).
They obviously became multi millionaires by sheer luck, not through understanding of economy. Please…
Poland excuses for LyoLiderPL…
You can Recash only when the scheme is spreading, but when it can’t expand anymore because there is no more people to recuit, they usually block the recash and the bottom levels of the pyramid lose their money.
That’s what happened more than 10 years ago to Youstore’s “carta blu” an italian mlm similar to Lyoness’ cashback card.