Lucky5 Review: Virtual scratchie lottery-based MLM
Despite Lucky5 being widely promoted through Facebook, there is currently no information on the website advising visitors who owns or runs the business. Nor have I seen this information disclosed in any Lucky5 marketing material.
The Lucky5 website domain (“lucky5.com”) was first registered on the 30th of May, 2002. The domain registration was recently updated on the 23rd of June 2015, suggesting this is around the time the current owner(s) acquired it.
As always, if an MLM company is not openly upfront about who is running or owns it, think long and hard about joining and/or handing over any money.
The Lucky5 Product Line
Lucky5 has no retailable products or services, with affiliates only able to market Lucky5 affiliate membership itself.
Lucky5 affiliates pay a €30 EUR fee each month, with which are bundled five “scratchie credits”.
These credits can be redeemed through Lucky5 for five virtual scratchie cards, with cash prizes between €5 to €500,000 on offer.
The Lucky5 Compensation Plan
The Lucky5 compensation plan sees affiliates pay €30 a month to maintain a matrix position, through which they are paid to recruit new Lucky5 affiliates.
The matrix Lucky5 use is that of a 5×6.
A 5×6 matrix places an affiliate at the top of the matrix, with five positions directly under them. These first five positions form the first level of the matrix:
The second level of the matrix is generated by splitting each of the level 1 positions into another five positions each (25 positions).
In this manner all six levels of the matrix are generated, with the entire 5×6 matrix housing 19,530 positions.
Positions in the matrix are filled via direct or indirect affiliate recruitment, with commissions paid out based on the number of matrix positions filled.
In Lucky5 commissions aren’t paid out as cash, rather affiliates are paid in scratchie credits, at a rate of
- 5 credits per filled position on level 1 (5 scratchie cards in total) and
- 4 credits per filled position on levels 2 to 6 (15,620 cards in total)
Affiliate membership with Lucky5 is €30 EUR a month.
Breaking down the Lucky5 compensation plan reveals is it pretty much a monthly sweepstakes.
Affiliates buy in for €30 EUR a month which equates to 5 tickets. Additional tickets are obtained via affiliate recruitment, with the prize pool for the current month likely composed of affiliate fees collected the previous month.
Lucky5 affiliates are advertising that ‘approximately 1 in 3.4 cards will be a winning card‘, with the idea being that everyone who buys in has an equal share of winning a share of affiliate fees paid in.
The reality however is that those who recruit the most and have the largest downlines, dramatically increase their share of the prize-pool.
From month to month there are of course bound to be statistical abnormalities, but over time affiliates with more scratchie cards each month are going to make more.
One thing that stuck out to me was the advertised €500,000 prize in Lucky5 affiliate advertising. This would theoretically require, at a minimum, some 100,000 affiliates buying in each month.
In reality that number is actually much higher, as there are other prizes paid out and Lucky5 likely do not pool 100% of affiliate fees into the prize pool.
100,000 affiliates in MLM is an extremely unlikely number, so either Lucky5 affiliates are being disingenuous with their advertising of available prizes, or there’s additional information they’re not disclosing.
My money (no pun intended) is on the former.
What with commissions in Lucky5 put down to chance (assuming nothing suss is going on in allocation of scratchie cards each month), affiliates will need to take into consideration local gaming laws.
To that end Lucky5 affiliate presentations advise:
By buying scratchcards, in effect, we are gambling.
The USA, Iran, North Korea, and Nigeria are currently closed to this opportunity.
Alexa traffic estimates Lucky5 is currently being primarily promoted in the UK (49.8% of traffic) and Australia (28.1%).
At the time of publication I haven’t seen any information revealing gaming registrations in either country.
The interesting question the Lucky5 business model poses is whether it’s a pyramid scheme if commissions are based on chance.
If Lucky5 were paying cash commissions through the matrix, it’d be an open and shut case. What Lucky5 affiliates are instead paying for is a chance to win other affiliate’s membership fees, with recruitment increasing the chance (and therefore share of funds) they have each month.
Murky waters indeed.
What I will conclude though is until it’s disclosed who is running Lucky5 and whether or not they have required gaming licenses, anyone who is considering signing up and marketing the opportunity should proceed with caution.
If Lucky5 ownership and gaming license/registration information is ultimately not disclosed, there is a good chance it might be nothing more than an elaborate money laundering operation.
At this point there’s not much to be gained from delving too much into that possibility, but keep it in mind as you’re pitched promises of €500,000 scratchie jackpots.
i cannot see people running around recruiting other people just to get extra scratchie cards. it’s not attractive enough as a ‘reward’ to get people going.
people like to put in an effort for Cash not for a Chance to win a sweepstakes.
no way lucky5 is reaching 100,000 members and paying big prizes. and if the prizes are too small, people will lose interest and stop paying 30$ every month.
IMO lucky5 will peter out in a few months.
lucky5 is being heavily promoted by a website called e-scratchgames.com.
e-scratchgames says it is a scratch games review site, but how they are selling lucky5 suggests they have a stake in it.
e-scratchgames is run by tom gee and gavin evans who:
they are personally promoting lucky5 on their website:
gee and evans are located in the UK, which would explain why approx 50% of lucky5 traffic is from there.
lucky5 was to be launched on july 14th starting with the european market, but the launch has been reset for july 21st according to tom gee:
why are they calling it a ‘business opportunity’ if no commissions are being paid in cash?
getting extra scratchie cards cannot possibly be described as a ‘business opportunity’?
is there something we don’t know yet about the lucky5 compensation plan?
as tom gee and gavin evans are both UK based, lets look at scratchcard games licensing in the UK.
scratchcard games in the UK fall under the Gambling Commission of the UK.
in the case of ‘online’ scratchcard games this is what the Gaming Commission of the UK instructs:
so, an online gambling opportunity, even if it is not run from british soil, but available to british citizens via the internet, has to get a gambling license.
lucky5 did not show up as a licensee on the UK gambling commission website.
but, if lucky5 has a gambling license i’m sure they’ll put it up clearly on their website. why would anyone hide that?
Ive been petered to join this. Has soon has i saw the word ‘matrix’, i ran a mile. I just know this is another scam ponzi scheme!
Some good research there Anjali!
Ive been hit up on this program and it is shrouded in secrecy. I found the names Frank Verheecke and Tom de Wilde linked in as Directors of Lucky5. Not sure of their background or history?
yes, and all the secrecy is leading to suspicion. why will a legitimate business hide so much?
lucky5 is supposed to launch tomorrow ie 21st,july, but i’m not holding my breath as they have been promising launch for a few months now. either they have compliance issues or not enough registrations.
my research is leading to two ‘Probable’ names behind lucky5:
these^ guys are behind three [now shutdown] MLM/affiliate based online gambling companies in the UK, since 2002:
virtual world direct
big fat lottery
their first foray ie virtual world direct[VWD] was an MLM scratch card opportunity in 2002. you joined and recruited 5 people under you. the domain name lucky5 was also registered in 2002 [but activated only now]. that’s a nebulous connection there.
VWD was shut down by a UK high court for misleading advertisement.
tom brodie moved his registration to the isle of mann, and consequently to panama, and started big fat lottery and players lottery both of which were shut down as scams in the UK.
players lottery was shut down in 2013.
lucky5 May Just Be tom brodie’s latest effort at MLM gambling.
the secrecy could be explained by their wanting to keep their scam history under wraps.
a couple of top promoters of VWD like Ian Orford and Neil Verlander are promoting lucky5.
due to all the secrecy, it is difficult to be sure, but tom brodie is high up on my list as the promoter of lucky5.
according a post on realscam.com, Jamie Waters a top banners broker recruiter sent out this email promoting lucky5:
could ‘len’ mentioned in the email as the ‘guy at the very top’, be len fitzgerald, partner of tom brodie? brodie was supposed to be the tech guy, and len fitzgerald the marketing guy in virtual world direct.
according to len fitzgerald’s linkedin profile, he Could Be around 57 years of age.
Interesting connections you mention…particularly with Ian Oxford and Neil Verlander being involved in a previous dud program and heavily involved in promoting and online webinars this time around.
Too many self appointed “leaders” with no proof of their backgorund or history whipping up hype without cold hard facts and information needed to assess the validity of the opportunity before launch!
interesting indeed. if pyramid laws will be hard to fit, maybe some other law can help?
in the US, anti pyramiding laws [recruitment commissions/inventory loading etc] are mostly used to prosecute pyramid schemes. but sometimes, even lottery laws have been used to prosecute pyramid schemes as illegal lotteries.
a legal multilevel scheme will reward participants in direct proportion to their own efforts and the efforts of the people they recruit. a participant is expected to control and manage his downline which is interconnected with each other through recruitment. the downline genealogy of a participant will reflect this.
what if the company management can interfere with the natural genealogy and place participants according to their own rules?
the result would be that a participant is not the creator of his downline and has no control or management ability over it.
the participants earnings from such a multilevel scheme would become disconnected from his own efforts and become dependent on ‘chance’. this element of chance then makes the multilevel pyramid an illegal lottery.
a landmark case using the lottery law against a pyramid scheme is U.S. Postal Service v. Unimax, Inc.
lucky5 has a forced matrix, where, as mentioned in the article above ‘Positions in the matrix are filled via direct or indirect affiliate recruitment, with commissions paid out based on the number of matrix positions filled’.
thus the commissions paid out to participants is not dependant on their efforts alone but they could get lucky if their uplines are recruiting heavily, and get more commissions ‘purely by chance’.
this would make the lucky5 pyramid, a lottery in and of itself.
in the lucky5 pyramid a participants compensation cannot be calculated, he may or may not get compensation, it is a matter of chance, he has no control over it.
this factor alone makes the lucky5 pyramid an illegal lottery.
even if lucky5 has a gambling license from the isle of man, to run a scratchcard lottery, it will still be running an ‘illegal pyramid scheme lottery’.
phew. i hope i’m getting this right.
in the UK too [which is lucky5’s main market], similar anti pyramiding laws are used to prosecute pyramid schemes.
however the UK lottery act 2005, has a section specifically addressing MLM lottery schemes, which could well cover lucky5 too:
in lucky5 the scratchcard is not a product in itself. it is representative of the ‘joining fee’ of all the participants. participants are encouraged to believe that they have a chance to win the joining fees of other participants.
Its defnitely murky waters to say the least….will be looking at thrir website when its launched in the next few hours!
Well information is certainly available from the site now –
guessing games are not for me, I like facts to make my own mind up 🙂
Lucky5 are registered in the offshore tax-haven of Curaçao???
Good grief, nothing suss.
the US department of state has caracao on it’s list of
hmm lucky5 wont do business in the US, because it will immediately be under the scanner? i mean, a curacao company running an unlicensed lottery in the US will be double trouble.
this is how the US department of state describes curacao in a 2014 report:
lucky5 has been crowing about being the worlds best ever opportunity, all over the net. and THIS^^ is what they DELIVER! curacao. marvelous!
Can it get any more dodgy? This info is in their Ts and Cs :
A quick search of this so called Dr Hugenholtzeg reveal numerous online betting and gaming websites. ..even a funeral parlour!!!
Hello, me i was a top coach until yesterday 2th july 2015 for Lucky5. Now i can tell you that this is a big bluff.
After many delays about the real luanch date, yesterday the online web site went live with a ridicolous back office to position people in the matriz with no service available, so no scracth cards, no payment, no earning , almosto nothing.
And company just informed us that this new situation will be for the new launch date that is 15th september 2015
So i really suggest everybody to stay very far from this no sense way to market.
Ceo is composed from peopple who has not backgound in the market of mlm or online business and this particulre not professional way to work, it show they are not ready to launchan affidable business.
I hope this can clear the real situation 🙂
message from tom gee and gavin evans about lucky5:
this is turning out to be a farce. launch has been promised for several months now, with excuses every time around.
who in their right senses, will be interested in recruiting people for which they will not make anything, in an opportunity that cant seem to get off the ground?
are the promoters shit scared to launch their little money laundering, illegal lottery operation from curacao, or what?
hey alberto simoni, do you know who the management of lucky5 is?
Lucky5 has been promoted as a get rich quick scheme. Webinars on secret FB groups are full of hype, hype, hype.
I can only speak for one FB group (the one Alberto was in) and say that it has been run in a very unprofessional way. Naive people are being recruited and believe they will get rich …
Yesterday was supposed to be launch day (I’ve lost count of how many ‘launch’ days there have been). Members of the group were desperately asking “have you scratched yet?”.
I believe members are being misinformed. The leader of the group states he is in contact with the ‘company’ and has a good relationship with Mr X …. Whoever that might be!
However, the relationship cannot be based in fact or trust because the leader had no idea that the company were only going to pre-launch …and may I add – they took dates of birth, full address and iban numbers…. And yet they are not launching until 15 th Sept.
The company website is full of typos and confusing statements …. The Ts and Cs are interesting to say the least …. Most lifted from various gaming sites and many don’t apply.
Also a maximum of 40,000 € can be withdraw every 30 days…. To cap it all … The company can’t be bothered to correct the typos and have asked one of the FB groups to do it… How unprofessional.
Apparently word has it that anyone promoting Lucky5 through phone, email, social media etc etc will be banned.
Overall this is shrouded in secrecy, is unprofessional and I certainly won’t be handing over my details.. Or giving up the day job!
Saying that…. I hope (almost beyond hope) that it is legitimate and matches expectations. Sadly, so far it hasn’t.
no chance that lucky5 can ever be legitimate. an online gambling license from curacao is worthless. most countries have their own gambling laws, and require licensing, before you can sign up their citizens.
According to a site that tracks gaming worldwide, Curacao government actually does NOT license online gambling. There is a Curacao eGaming, but it’s not a government entity.
Due diligence: the company registered on 16 th July (a day after proposed launch). No company number on website.
Licence number, yes … But company is not listed under the licence and all other companies under the license number have link to sub licence.
Delay until September might be due to waiting for a licence. Games have to be thoroughly tested to get a licence.
Website is cheap looking, lacks detail and the terms and conditions have been cut and pasted from bwin (many of which don’t apply) – the Ts and Cs certainly have not been through a legal process.
My advice is DO NOT sign up any more ‘friends’.
I always thought this was too good to be true. My questions were never answered and the few people I know who have signed up are voicing their concerns too.
Ignore the hype, do your due diligence and base your decisions on fact.
I tried warning off a friend on FB by posting the following ‘Not wanting to burst any bubbles, I hope **** and the rest of you have not been duped in any way.
It is just that so much of this, the air of mystery, the secrecy, the elation, hopes of great riches, sounds so much like the pyramid scheme scams of the past.
However, if not, good luck to Tom Gee and all…’ He remains convinced it is legitimate.
Now I have seen this page, hopefully they have not yet parted with any money, and will not do so until all is revealed as either genuine or a scam.
But you know Tom de Wilde and Frank Verheecke, the real hidden owners of the company behind Lucky5?
Let me know, admin here, thanks
I still cant understand how people can just give over all their personal details so easily…i smelt a rat and saw the red flags and have told people not to join until there is more transparency….
This mad rush created to get everyone in to get their spot in the matrix is obscene… Any legitimate business should offer a participant the same level of opportunity regardless of when one joins.
I guess the old saying of a fool is born every minute is quite apt when it comes to these sort of endless scams.
I’m no legal expert and I have joined the Lucky5 so I’ll get that out of the way upfront.
Am I sceptical, Yes indeed I am from my personal perspective though, I understood the numbers with my marketing background…… However, 2 questions I did have when initially seeing this myself were:
1. How legal and ethical is this?
From the limited research I and a few others I have mentioned this to have done, it all appears above board and whilst I did question the integrity of promoting gambling and whether this was a pyramid scheme myself, I thought firstly, people are going to buy scratchies, lottery and raffle tickets regardless and as the investment amount is low, it’s not an amount that most people have to budget for so it’s a low investment for a potentially very high return…..
Secondly, from the Pyramid side of things, Pyramid schemes are illegal in most countries and they generally don’t offer a product or service and usually require a sizeable investment to get involved…..
Lucky5 scratch cards have the same pay out ratio (50%) and odds to win (1 in every 3.4) as the scratch cards you can buy at a local newsagency (this is by law).
You don’t have to sign up a new member to win either, however, what Lucky5 do differently is very, very smart indeed, they give away free scratch cards to those who invite new players to sign up which in turn, increases peoples chances of winning!….
The more people someone introduces, the more free scratch cards they are given, so there is nothing illegal about a company giving away part of its profit in return for a customer inviting someone to play their scratch game.
It’s basically their way of saying instead of spending part of their profits on media advertising which is what most lotteries do to promote themselves and get more punters to buy their tickets, they simply reward people with free scratch card tickets in addition to the ones they purchase as a thank you for their word of mouth advertising!
2. How successful will it be?… That’s the million dollar question and in all honesty, I cannot say with 100% certainty…. but what I do know is that most people like to have a punt on winning $ and with this opportunity only costing the equivalent $40 to $45 AUD a month.
I see many people looking at it from a similar perspective as many others including myself in “that it’s not a great deal of money to lose if it doesn’t work”….. “and if it does work, then the upside is potentially enormous!”……
Gotta be in it to win it and if it doesn’t work out, well it’s no big deal…. That’s just my perspective though….
I believe there are huge moral and ethical issues with Lucky5.
The hysteria on Tuesday, with people desperate to sign up (and hand over DOB, full name, initials, bank details) was disturbing. It is almost as if they had been brainwashed through 4 months of hype.
Twice weekly webinars talking of a multi million dollar company (oh yeah!) and the ‘you can be a millionaire like me’ from the group leader. I was thrown out of the group for questioning the stats … The average win is, I think, 8€.
I went up line and got fobbed off. I asked in the group and got thrown out! Alarm bells rang… Blind leading the blind.
The Scratch My Card Leadership team have not engaged in a process of due diligence. This astounds me. They are ‘leading’ 4000 people (although I’m not sure how many signed up – but according to the leader globally – it’s 10s of thousands) to nothing.
The leadership team may be hardened ML Marketers – but I know many of the members are not; they are friends of friends and family members – some gave up jobs for this.
Huge moral and ethical issues here. A company shrouded in secrecy that are as incompetent as you can get and FB groups with ‘leadership’ teams who are not engaging in due diligence.
I found out yesterday that a UK licence is required for money to be taken from UK residents – gaming laws in the UK are in a process of change. I keep hoping I’m wrong and it will be a success but there is now mounting evidence to the contrary that cannot be ignored.
Any questioning posts in the FB group get deleted. I can only hope people read this before they hand their details over.
I am waiting to hear back from the ‘partners’ mentioned on the Lucky5 website. I have been informed that both Tain and wire-card have never heard of Lucky5. I need to verify this myself. My advice is this: be patient.
If this is to be a company lasting 25 years (as Frank apparently said to the FB leader) then sit tight and let it become established. Hmmm…so I’m left wondering what it’s all about?
Is it a data building exercise? Any thoughts on the rationale behind the ‘company’ and the secrecy? (BTW, this is my first experience of MLM!)
Hi Alberto Simoni – you say
But you know Tom de Wilde and Frank Verheecke, the real hidden owners of the company behind Lucky5?
Who are they and do you know their history?
The Wire Card Logo has been removed from the Lucky5 website, the webinars suggested we have to pay 8.50 euros for a wire-card debitcard…..
Wirecard have never heard of this company , much the same can be said for the other companies in the footer of the site… Actually the webinars promised allot and delivered NOTHING BUT LIES.
I try to explain you better.
Before the last false launch ( 21th July 2015 ) during a webinar Ian ( co founder of the secret fb group ) told us that Tom de Wilde and Frank Verheecke are the real hidden owners of the company behind Lucky5.
Me i made a search on internet and i found nothing about them.
So i wonder if you know them, thanks.
Nicholas Fudge, you have failed to understand the basic principles of a pyramid scheme.
This is false logic. A pyramid scheme giving away money to people who sign up more other people is also giving away part of its profit.
Lucky5 giving away scratch cards is doing just the same, and is just as illigal as any other pyramid scheme.
The law doesn’t care if the payout is dollars, euros, apples, scratch cards or anything else that is given in return to sign up others.
If you have to pay to join and if your payout depends on the number of other people you sign up, it’s a pyramid scheme.
Furthermore, it is illegal in most (all?) European countries to promote or engage in online gambling if the company offering the gambling is not registred in the country you live in.
So first you’re acting illegal promoting online gambling without proper license, and then you’re also engaging in a pyramid scheme.
Does anyone have any information on the Directors Frank Verheecke and Tom de Wilde?
That would really help people understand the direction this program is going to go in.
@Jay Cary – these people Frank and tom are apparently only running the network marketing company, apparently a guy called Chris Henry is the main man in touch with this so called global company ..Who they insist is a company called Tain ( Tain are a B2B service provider check out their site they don’t own Daily Wins N.V as suggested )…..
Watch this space as on Monday all the dubious findings regarding this ” venture” will be passed to the relevant authorities.
The poor people involved from the start have been promised so much on webinars by this guy called Ian Orford… Who I hasten to add was involved with a company called VWD ( Virtual World Direct ) that company got closed down by the authorities !!!
See this link to confirm:
Not only that the amount of people involved in lucky 5 who were also involved in some way with VWD See this link:
I know exactly what I think……..
Hi – I briefly joined this scheme via a FB friend, a woman who I know to be honourable and trustworthy.
It didn’t seem an attractive scheme, being both MLM and gambling. I was not confident anyone I knew would join. And my partial attempts were proved right.
Then so many enlisted people were “so excited they couldn’t sleep” or wondering out loud what will happen when the world ‘gets’ this and no-one has to work anymore (!!!) – and so on. I was feeling very uncomfortable.
Many of these genuine, intelligent people work in the alternative therapies which I have learnt is a common feature of MLM.
This is due to the cult-like ‘positive thinking’ webinars, the concept of ‘coming from abundance’ (tell that to the starving) and thinking ‘the universe will provide if you just believe’ hype which oils it’s wheels. The religion of Tinkerbell.
The company said at the start that 100% of profits will be paid out in prizes at the same time as I was told millions of pounds have been put into setting this up.
So, I thought, what’s in it for them? Where is their profit? And if everyone is paying 30euros or £22 a month, how on earth can almost all of us (or ALL of us according to some people) come out with many multiples more every month?
Even if you lose a few times before you win some, everyone is expecting to win more over time – enough to give up their jobs – than ever goes in.
If we all pay in £22 a month, the average winning must be less than that to cover admin and scratch card costs. And that’s assuming the men at the top are doing this for purely altruistic reasons and making a huge loss by paying ‘millions’ setting it up and no profits thereafter.
I asked these questions at the beginning (I was careful how I asked – I knew I may be unmasked as an apostate!!) and got cheerful answers about how when your matrix is paying in £22 a month, even if you only fill up a quarter of it, then that still comes to about £3k – £4k for you a month based on this “every 3-4 cards are winning cards” maxim.
So these nice people joining have not considered the fact that they are enlisting friends and family or whoever ‘gets it’ (as they keep saying) and actually expecting to pocket their monthly payments?
I really thought at first that I had something wrong, maths being a weak spot of mine. Unless, I thought, maybe they will make this work at first and it will become a big branded name and they make money with sponsorship deals or selling some cards the another way.
Otherwise it didn’t square. It’s a relief to find a site like this.
But mow I find a meta study of all MLM ‘businesses’ here: mlm-thetruth.com/research/mlm-statistics/shocking-stats/ and it seems NO MLM scheme is EVER worth wasting your time on, let alone a penny of your money.
Even the companies commonly touted as the MLM success stories (Amway, Avon, Nu-skin, Herbalife) are no better than the scams that come and go. 99% of participants will lose money.
This is also a good site about the psychology – amlmskeptic.blogspot.co.uk/search/label/Cult
Get out now. If you’re still in.
Oh, one more thing. I read at the start that there will be an ‘e-wallet’ on your site, for your winnings.
Apparently this is a set up used by Empower because they have been banned from Paypal and a few other networks apparently. Could it be in bed with them??
Jay Carey’s name hyperlink goes to a phishing or malware site. My anti-viral software stopped it but shouldn’t this be checked out?
Bamboozled – ian orford was involved with Empower…….
@Not so Lucky – yes I know.
He’s been involved in one of those dodgy skin treatment products – maybe Nu-Skin. And of course VWD as mentioned above.
He’s now a FB ‘friend’ of my original contact and his video was the first info I was given about Lucky5. How he’s made money with these things I don’t know. His style of communication is awful. Unlistenable.
He’s from the north of England now living in Tennessee. Pictures of his house all over his FB page. What’s the attraction of Tennessee?
Bamboozled – I suspect he had to or chose to leave the UK – im surmising this was because another company he was involved in went wrong in some way …..
Len Fitzgerald is in the lucky5 group Ian Orford added him when he started the page 5 months ago. another link to the original VWD disaster, (Len Fitzgerald and Tom Brodie were named in the Mirror report above).
Tom Brodie I can not find in the Lucky5 group but he is friends with Ian Orford on Facebook.
I personally think he flaunts his “hard earned” wealth to boost his ego and delusions of grandeur so to entice people to trust him and want to be like him, that way they will just follow what he says and no questions.
Watch his body language in the video “Ian Orford – Is He Real” on youtube .
Nothing popped up on my end (Avast).
So where did the link in his name take you?? I got a shot of a page about Downlines before the message appeared telling me to go back.
Same page. Jay has been commenting here for a number of years now.
why do the ponzi/pyramid crowd drag their children/grandchildren before the public to ‘reassure’ them? shameful.
as if criminals or cheats don’t have children or grandchildren!
@Oz – not saying it’s anything to do with Jay Carey but yesterday I tried a few times and was stopped everytime. Tried just now and it landed on the link page without a warning.
Yes I’ve watched the Ian Orford – Is He Real video and yes, anjali, I have yet to listen to or watch any of his communications without him mentioning his grandson Connor.
It’s part of why I find it aggravating. He waffles on about his family and people working with him, constantly clearing his throat and chuckling about pointless nonsense.
So unconvincing, so obviously a technique he thinks gives him credence. I notice comments are disabled for the video.
What is he worried people might say about him?
Ok for those that have been on the webinars.. It seems to me that all the attendees have been lied to.
Where & who is this so called $400M gaming company ? The only names being branded about on here are either scammers & networking chancers that hop on and off trending gravy trains. Do your due dil people and check out lucky5 as a company.
behindmlm have another thread that is not to dissimilar to this behindmlm.com/mlm-reviews/lotto-spring-review-another-euro-gaming-opp/
Please keep the findings coming as until all has been made abundantly clear, this site seems the best forum to keep updated.
Some great investigative work here, well done everyone, surely there is enough evidence now to flag this scheme to the appropriate authorities?
I have now reported this obvious Ponzi scheme to Fraudwatch in the UK, the Scamwatch service (from the Australian Competition and Consumer Commission).
As Pyramid / Ponzi schemes are illegal in both countries and these seem to be the main countries targeted currently. I have also reported to the UK Gambling Commissions as they are not only running a ponzi but also an illegal online gambling operation without a license in the UK.
Next I am reporting it as an illegal gambling operation in Australia as online scratchies are illegal in Australia under Section 8D of the Interactive Gambling Act 2001. Between these 4 regulatory agencies / police.
Hopefully it will be shut down soon, I advise everyone to stay well clear, as if you are seen to have been promoting this ‘opportunity’ yourself massive fines and jail terms can be applicable to the individuals involved not just the owners of the company.
Many participants in the scheme won’t realize this. So not only are you risking alienating any friends you introduce into the scheme and ruining your reputation but you risk jail and monetary fines as well.
If you have joined I recommend cease all activity, ask for a refund and if not provided initiate a chargeback on your credit card. Good luck
Well done MATT WILSON 🙂 I am sure the UK gaming commission have received many calls, mine being one of them.
there is also a scam group set up on face book – Lucky5 Scam – It is also being reported to the news papers as one of the reporters from the mirror run an article in 2011 showing how VWD was shut down and the same people involved somewhere down the line.
WE have to keep sharing information and reporting this SCAM as its the only way to stop the ” Big Boys ” at the top of this pyramid from robbing people of their hard earned money !!!
Agree with comments here regarding Ian Orford… i posed a few questions regarding the set up of the Matrix and he was very dismissive… I cant stand all the secrecy…
im so glad i only mentioned this to a couple of people to look at but not commit anything until FULL DISCLOSURE takes place…a lot of people will be very disappointed here!
TruthSeeker – Your not alone, I have asked Ian many times who the actual company is…. guess what no reply!
That would be because there is no multi national company behind this, its just a group of network marketing people looking to make a quick buck!
Even only yesterday they were saying in the groups dont mention lucky5 in your advertising, try to advertise word and mouth try not to use the internet – Cloak & Dagger
Not so Lucky – yes you are on the ball…there is also a whole plethora of bananas underneath Ian all too willing to toe the party line as well…
how dare these people sell such false and fake dreams based on absolute BS… all these people should be reported to local authorities!!!
Truthseeker – You will be pleased to know that the UK gambling commission are all over this.
They are currently investigating it as it is clear to them the correct licences are not in place amongst other things, they actually called it a Ponzi!
Watch this space they will be shut down soon !
I am astounded at the behaviour of the FB ‘leaders’. They have their heads in the sand… saying that anyone who dares to criticise is ‘ignorant’…
This is a classic example of ‘Groupthink’ … There is ignorance within the leadership team despite the mounting evidence that there is no licence, no partnerships and the stats don’t add up.
The FB group is ‘lead’ by people who do not have business minds and have not done their due diligence. I am grateful that I was thrown out at an early stage for daring to question the statistics. Well done to people on here for raising concerns.
Could you point us to where this has been stated as of course the Uk gambling Commision never comment on individual cases…
Guys stick to the same comment aliases if you wish to comment. Creating new aliases everytime you comment is confusing.
PTC – please follow this link call them they will confirm they have had cases reported to them and they are investigating it – yes the officer did refer to it as a ponzi on the telephone
this FB page has posted a message from ian orford, in which he asks lucky5 participants to ‘push the pause button on lucky5’.
i guess learning that vigilant members are asking questions and complaining to the gambling commission etc, has made lucky5 a ‘hot brick’ for orford, and he’s ready to drop it.
i don’t think lucky5 will see the light of day.
and orford has named the promoters of lucky5 to be frank verheeckhe and tom de wilde. i wonder why he’s outing their names now, after protecting their identity for months.
Anjali…yes i saw that post too…Ian Orford scrambling to save the day now!
Even my sponsor messaged me and said that they are pulling the plug… I really hope people learn some valuable lessons here and thank their lucky (5) stars that there are people such as those on this forum that dare to speak out and ask questions!
You guys have made lots of accusations without knowing facts which makes you worse than any scammers.
Those names that Ian Orford supposedly just released were made public a month ago on webinars and in fb groups.
They are 2 of the 4 Belgians that own the company. You all just seem so concerned about pointing fingers at people and are barking up the wrong tree on most of your “due diligence”.
(Ozedit: Offtopic derail attempts removed)
well. i see you all continue to be secretive.
when are the names of the other 2 belgians going to be disclosed?
if we are scammers who bark up the wrong tree, why has ian orford punched the pause button on lucky5?
if our due diligence is wrong, can you explain your due diligence and why lucky5 is legit.
are you here to scold us or prove your point?
So where are YOUR verifiable facts? or are you simply repeating information you’ve been told are facts, but are not verifiable?
You’re the guys saying its a scam with no proof. I think you need to prove its a scam rather than suggesting this is wrong and that is illegal etc.
Some in Lucky5 are carrying on like there are no issues, but many of us have stopped until the company publicly clarify many points that are causing everybody concern.
Varifiable facts! Where are yours to say it’s a scam?
The article says that you have no knowledge of a licence. There is a licence and that puts an end to most of the issues. Concerns such as logos of WIRECARD going missing is because the company is not yet trading and are not able to display logos.
There were complaints to the gambling commission several weeks ago about Lucjy5, so that’s not new. People will complain because there was and still is a lack of information coming from the company, but complaints are made again with no facts or evidence.
People have been posting on blogs that it’s a scam since April just to drive traffic to their sites.
I’ve seen it announced this morning that there is a call between the company and some of the network leaders which will be to get answers for a huge stack of questions, so maybe there will be some news later today and info for you to go and research.
If this is proven to be fully licensed and legal will any of you be holding your hands up to say, I got that wrong?
No, because you have got a desire to put down the entire MLM industry for some strange reason. However, you will most likely join up at some stage unless you are opposed to gambling as well.
^^ With no retail sales, it’s a pyramid scheme hybrid.
The gambling stuff is a secondary issue.
No retail sales?
Erm “scratch cards”. Unless that’s not a product anymore.
The thing about retail sales, is you need retail customers.
There are none in Lucky5, everyone is an affiliate.
Everybody is a member that subscribes to purchase 5 cards every month under no contract. The members are the players and customers.
Nothing to do with them being retail customers.
Access to pay plan = affiliates, not retail customers.
No retail customers = pyramid scheme.
This is MLM 101…
Pay plan lmao. Not at all.
If you refer people you are rewarded with credits kind of like reward points you get from most retail companies these days. You can use those credits to purchase more cards.
It’s a bit like tesco club points. You buy goods from tesco and they give you points that you can use to buy more goods from them with.
Which is the pay plan.
Like I said, this is a hybrid pyramid model (identified as “murky waters” in the review).
The issue of there being no retail is an issue. Comparisons to non-MLM business models are irrelevant.
Now I get it. Murky waters is a term for (Ozedit: Google it instead of making up your own incorrect definitions)
Please do not post offtopic spam. Anything not related to Lucky5 is a derail attempt and will be marked so.
If you don’t genuinely understand something ask, otherwise you just come off like a complete moron.
a license or business registration in curacao will not make lucky5 legal at all.
for instance if they want to work legally in the UK they need a license from the UK gaming commission.
tesco does not give you reward points for recruiting new people so do not compare to tesco.
here is the mail sent by wirecard in response to consumer queries:
^^ this does not match your story about the company not trading and so not being able to display logo’s.
make sure somebody’s not feeding you crap alyson.
@Alyson If you want to discuss Lucky5 then do so. Anything about “other MLM companies” or not specifically related to Lucky5 will be marked as spam.
Lucky5 has no retail, making it a pyramid scheme.
The fact that commissions aren’t paid out directly, but rather through “luck”-based incentives makes it a pyramid hybrid. You have failed to address this.
Guys I will never condemn anyone for having an opinion but it’s looking more and more like many of you have maybe not got a full understanding of how Lucky5 works.
Your main targets appear to be certain individuals promoting it so is it really fair that the concept should be getting so much flack.
This is an extremely clever idea and you get what you purchase 5x 5 euro scratch cards plus admin charge of 5 euros per month. That has always been made very clear.
If one never introduced a member personally they will still benefit from credits from first level and in all likelihood would end up quite quickly having just one person below them.
At that point they would be paying 30 euros a month and getting 6×5 euro scratch cards. What is so wrong with that.
100% of monies paid for scratch card purchases paid out in winnings. The usual 50% to cover winnings of purchased cards and the other 50% to cover winnings for cards gained through credits.
The company has never made any claims that it is a get rich quick scheme, in fact the opposite I think.
So with no retail, 100% of the winnings paid out is affiliate money.
It’s a closed-loop with nothing being marketed to or sold to retail customers, that’s the problem.
the lucky5 website also carried the logo of GAMCARE.
this is the response of gamcare to queries from consumers:
i see that lucky5 has now removed mention of all ‘partners’ from its website.
getting caught out lying twice about their ‘partners’, is not a vote of trust in this shady headless curacao company.
alyson, can you explain why lucky5 lied about partnerships with wirecard and gamcare?
I have been involved in Lucky5 long before it went into offical pre-launch on July 21st. Sadly, we all expected the business to launch fully on July 21st and many feel incredibly let down.
The company has not been forthcoming with information and I believe that trust is running pretty thin.
These guys will hopefully get things together before the official launch in September though. Fingers crossed!
gavin evans since you are from the UK and have experience with lottery and scratch cards, could you clarify whether a curacao based gambling company can offer participation to british citizens?
the UK gambling law does not seem to allow it?
The business model even if they had an Australian gaming license would still be illegal in Auatralia as under section 8D of the interactive gambling act 2001 online scratch cards are illegal.
Of course the fact that it’s a ponzu/pyramid scheme also makes it illegal in Australia and UK.
I can confirm that when I called the UK gambling commission they confirmed lots of complaints and used word Ponzi scheme. I suggest more people call them and report them for operating without UK license.
To report them as a Ponzi scheme call action fraud UK or submit their online form. If in Australia goto scamwatch.gov.au and report there – you will be given a case number and can report anonymously if you want.
The more complaints and reports the more chance of a thorough investigation by authorities and it being shit down for good.
well ian orford is reporting that he had a long conversation with verheecke and the company lucky5 will be giving a written explanation:
i don’t know how they are going to explain their way around gambling licenses. or about running an illegal chain gifting pyramid scheme in the UK.
Nice one Matt 🙂 seen on the official site run by Ian that someone has noticed the terms and conditions on lucky5 are very very similar to that of Bwin.com it does seem very odd ???
are bwin or their parent company part of this ?? phone call to Bwin I think !!
Can I just point out that there is no official group.
How can they when they are not operating currently and have not taken any money from any members
PTC Its the intention to trade, how it is being promoted and sold to the UK public, ptc you seem to be missing the point, from the very beginning we have been drip fed information in repetitive webinars.
now it turns out it is the wrong information and the whole game plan has changed, its been shrouded in secrecy, which raised alarm bells for allot of people.
who ever is at the top of this pyramid have only themselves to blame if by the slimmest chance they do end up trading, their business has been tarred due to their lack of management.
ps… whats this “Official Members ScratchMyCard Lucky5 Group” yes sure there are other groups.
hey PTC if you want to believe then so be it its your choice, we all have a right to our own opinion and freedom of speech, and based on what i can see …. I smell a rat !
Hi Admin, the lucky5 group are saying its not a scam and that you only post these reviews so the company’s pay you to take them down ?
not that I believe anyone in the Lucky5 groups! say one thing today and another thing tomorrow !!
In its five and a half year existence, BehindMLM has never received funds from any MLM opportunity – to remove content or otherwise.
We mostly report on the MLM underbelly, and sadly lying to you to divert your attention from their business models isn’t beneath them.
They always say that. Have you seen ANY review that HAD been taken down though?
Lying to you, getting caught, then lie some more to cover those lies are typical of scams that can’t explain itself, so they engage in “ad hominem”, i.e. they can’t argue the facts, so they try to sling mud on the presenter of those facts.
Thank Oz and K Chang 🙂 I didn’t believe them for one minute, I hope the people from the scam group on face book look on here and quote your comments seems to me the slippery snakes are trying to skirt issues ! yesterday they posted this
Still no mention of who this multi national company is ??? wonder why ??? we await the company statement LOL
wonder why alyson or gavin evans will not reply to the questions posed to them in this thread? [my questions are post#77 & 79]
they make statements, or fling some dirt and run away.
if behindmlm has nefarious intent, lucky5 promoters should prove it, instead of herding on FB and making baseless allegations.
Only has to convince fellow sheeple, A. Except some of those are actually “judas goats”.
But whatever make them feel better. Judas goats often act like trolls, spreading false hope. When Zeek went down, some started petitioning governments, some started rumors that Zeek will restart in Europe, some claimed SEC doesn’t have a case, some claimed Burks’ lawyer sold him out… Then there’s Craddock claiming he has “evidence” that will prove Zeek’s not a scam…
But then, it’s clear that some of them are living in a fantasy world rather than reality.
Well I was taking everyone’s opinion on board until that last post…. “judas goats”… Really I don’t think I’ll read anything else in here.
By the way all partners and logos have not been removed from site.
@PTC Don’t let the door hit your Ass on the way out.
Thanks I’ll try my hardest no to let it
Flat out Illegal in Australia to promote and for any company to run such a thing. There is even a specific LAW in relation to it. I am stunned at the amount of so called seasoned networkers flocking to this saying its nice and easy n cheap and a bit of Fun.
They will wake up when after months of not getting $1000 in commissions but instead loosing tickets.
Not fun when the gaming division comes after the promoters.
Go here for starters, en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interactive_Gambling_Act
That’s interesting. It would seem very clear to me that under Australian law as it stands for online gambling, that Lucky5 are completely legal.
Thanks for that link to wikipedia. It certainly answered the questions I had in my mind about the legality of the Lucky5 operation in regard to Australia.
Seems it is unlawful for anyone or any company to promote/advertise gambling online into Australia. However, due to the fact that Lucky5 is not promoting/advertising in any way themselves and all members of Lucky5 are referring “friends” it obviously gets around the promotional/advertising legal aspect very nicely.
Obviously there has been a lot of thought put into how the company/opportunity should be promoted. They haven’t done any promotion themselves anywhere that I have found on the internet.
In fact it has been very quiet on that front with the majority of people not even knowing who is behind the operation. Lots of speculation but no hard facts. It is obvious to me at least that the company is going out of their way to ensure they are not promoting gambling and breaking the laws as they stand in Australia/NZ at the very least.
I guess similar/same laws would apply in most other countries. The company is not allowing “Friends” to publicly advertise or promote gambling in the public domain and will terminate them if they do.
Sounds like it is fully compliant with the laws that I have read through carefully. The sooner everyone understands that it is mostly a lot of noise from uninformed people who have nothing to do with the company (the noise always comes from the dyed in the wool MLM haters).
The sooner Lucky5 will get underway and people have a chance of at least having a bit of a flutter on the scratch cards that are being offered.
Hell… what have you got to lose? Most people who buy lottery tickets blow far more than 30 Euros per month.
Even if you don’t invite a “Friend” in… you still have a chance of winning from 1 in 3 from your five cards each month. So what is the big deal?
If it is a scam start bleating big time then and get the authorities to chase them down. Give it break is all I can say.
You think that bullshit would hold up in court son?
Hey GG – Only rapid or player initiated online lotteries such as online scratchies are banned under section 8D of the Interactive Gambling Act 2001.
They’re virtually indistinguishable from other online, player-initiated games that are a greater risk to problem gamblers.
thats straight from Australian Gov:
let me see if I understood you correctly. You are betting your money in joining a company to promote something potentially illegal, without consulting someone who knows law, but instead, based on what you read in Wikipedia?
which YOU interpreted as permissive, while other people read it as “prohibitive”?
Yeah, typical “pigeon chess” reaction.
Did you miss the sentence stating “The IGA is targeted at online gambling operators and makes it an offence for them to offer ‘real-money’ online interactive gambling to residents of Australia.”?
For greater certainty, it’s a good idea to go to the actual legislation:
I skimmed through the first few sections and my reading is that lucky5 would be illegal in Australia.
When it comes to law, it’s not a good idea to guess.
I suspect that lucky5 and similar schemes would be identified as an illegal lottery in at least the U.S., where the lucky5 servers appear to be based, and Canada.
This link discusses Canadian illegal lottery law.
For a similar scheme, commenters tried to portray the sratchy as a “sweepstakes” rather than (illegal) lottery.
However, for this to be the case, one of the illegal lottery “three elements of prize, chance and consideration” needs to be absent, e.g., “no purchase required”.
And on top of this, there’s the ponzi aspect and no clear idea of how a court might view the scheme.
As Oz mentioned, “murky waters”.
As previously mentioned, making the service available to Australians is, in my view, illegal based on the legislation.
Personally, ‘d be leery of any “business” that looked like it was trying to “get around” a law rather than complying with it.
At any rate, and as Oz indicated, it’s a court … rather than wishful thinking … that has the last say in whether an entity “got around” a law or not.
And an alternative explanation for lucky5’s lack of promotion/advertising is that it wishes to remain under the regulatory radar for as long as possible.
Though I have to wonder exactly how anyone became aware of lucky5 in the first place if no advertising/promotion was initially done … say on a HYIP FORUM … by the owner(s).
The only people who are guaranteed any money from lucky5 are the owners.
it’s a bit silly to say ‘MLM’ and ‘not promoting’ in the same breath.
Wanna bet ???
GG failed to read the Wikipedia article. He only read a few lines, but failed to look at the details.
Europe has similar laws. It’s illegal to operate, offer, promote or advertise certain types of gambling / lotteries. But there’s a lot of excemptions and country specific rules.
I called and emailed TAIN.COM in Malta. as the groups are saying tain are backing lucky5 and or lucky5casino dailywins.n.v
Guess what TAIN IS NOT THEIR PARTNER !!!! ( confirmed in an email )
What is going on ? is this just to collect peoples data ?
NSL – If TAIN are not involved with Lucky 5 I would expect the banner on the website to be taken down very soon.
Hmmm… There is no evidence that the DailyWins / Lucky5 (whatever it’s called) game actually exists..
No one has seen a demo or anything… There is no licence and the legality is questionable.
The ‘company’ won’t correspond with the FB ‘leaders’ anymore. There is NO information coming through. It’s over.
I said it from the start and the FB admins closed ranks and threw me out in May. All I can say is don’t ever build a team of 1000’s on hype.
Check the facts first, present the facts and let individuals make an informed decision…
If money is taken out (and it is a scam) then I believe the FB leaders will have even more to answer for. They have behaved irresponsibly and there are serious moral and ethical issues.
However, I do feel that this isn’t even clever enough to be a scam…. it’s based on sheer incompetence, stupidity and greed.
website is now down/offline for lucky5.com ….. wonder how long for ……
Website back for now ….. have a look at this link – plotip.com/domain/lucky5.com
what does this all mean one server to host Lucky5.com in the uk and streetview looks like someones house? can anyone technical shed some light on this ?
Host Details: lucky5.com
188.8.131.52 – 184.108.40.206
Steve McIntyre’s ADSL
Henfield, West Sussex, GB
Henfield, West Sussex, GB
Page Load Time:
– See more at: plotip.com/domain/lucky5.com#sthash.dCtJxsWj.dpuf
Luckyes 5 registered address is just one of those addresses that you can buy online and register with.
1. LATEST LUCKY5 NEWS
DELAYS: Have spoken last night to the creator of Lucky5 so as to be able to provide you with these Lucky5 updates.
LUCKY5 EMAILS: Lucky5’s intention is to be sending out regular emails to all registered members so that we are all kept up-to-date with company news – this will happen in due course.
MULTI-LINGUAL: Once the English Lucky5 website is up and running smoothly, work will begin on making the Lucky5 website multi-lingual. This will make a huge difference to those of us with international teams.
WEBSITE: There is constant ongoing work on the Lucky5 website as they correct spelling, grammar, etc and later on adding pieces to the website.
E-GAMING LICENCES: As we are now going to be GLOBAL registration of e-gaming licences all over the world is well under way – there are lawyers in place worldwide dealing with these matters.
WIRECARD: One of Lucky5’s chosen providers is Wirecard – the well-established company that will be dealing with our payments and our winnings. Agreement with Wirecard was signed 2 months ago (we have received this information ‘from the horse’s mouth’). Wirecard’s payment gateway provides secure, flexible and transparent payment processing.
TAIN: To ensure the smooth-running of the Lucky5 systems, TAIN provides the hosting by looking after the servers, firewalls, switches, etc that are the backbone of our company. This well-established company hosts many of the huge online gambling websites around the world and is extremely reliable and professional – giving us confidence that the system will be well looked after and maintained.
Tread with care – What do you think the point of that statement from them is??
no mention of the “company” or the real faces behind lucky5, no mention of who people are really giving their details to and money on 15th sept if it dose not get delayed for some reason ……
more to the point there are emails from tain saying they are not a partner of lucky 5, numerous people seem to have called wire card and they have confirmed not a partner, let alone the licencing issues…. its all very strange.
NSL – They have not answered any of the questions raised .. its all about how to register new people.. Very poor update from the networking gurus.
keeping with the trend adopted by ponzi/pyramid scams these days, now the lucky5 people are threatening law suits against online commentators who are exposing them.
they don’t even know who the owner of lucky5 is, or why lucky5 is lying through its teeth, or when if ever it will start, but they are willing to take dissenters to court!
the funniest part is no one has earned a single cent from lucky5, yet everybody is at war, while the hidden management doesn’t give a frig.
we live in a crazy world, i say.
Lucky5 FB group has turned into a farce.
This site and another that has been investigating Lucky5 are providing a much needed service for people who either can’t be bothered, believe the hype or are just very naive.
As mentioned before, I was thrown out the group in about May for going up line with a question … getting fobbed off (I still have the rather ignorant response) so I posted in the group and got ignored and thrown out by a very naive admin – who clearly was taken in herself by the promise of riches.
Even within the admin group – questions weren’t allowed – and the incompetent team spent more time investigating members than they did researching lucky5.
What we are doing here is not illegal. The admins are now moving on to new opportunities…I’m not convinced of the riches the leaders claim to have made.
The desperation, hype, claims of talking with the ‘company’ the hour before launch, “Frank’s been talking to wirecard over night” … All just hype. Nothing illegal on this site or other site.
Prefer to call these sites ‘Lucky5 investigation groups’ rather than scam (come on…I really don’t think they are capable of scam … But let’s wait and see if the money gets taken). Why can’t everyone work together to find out what the hell has been going on?
and that in itself speaks volumes. especially if you truly ‘stand by them’ and there are alleged ‘legal’ concerns.
Spot on Seethetruth ! I can see a few groups and different info coming from them all.. that’s a great way to run a business NOT !..
I would personally love to know who the company is! I suspect it is just a group of business men looking to make a quick buck – no global company behind it – and legitimate emails confirming no partnership with L5 – now they threaten legal action to that scam page and individuals.
That’s got to be a joke as the authorities are already involved IE Action Fraud and Gambling commission.
The leaders are back tracking now saying they gave the information in good faith – yeah right thats a joke,
“Good faith”, more like lets see if i can line my pockets!
Was this just data collection to sell ? Wonder if we will all find out one day soon …..
In the Commercial Register of the Curaçao Chamber of Commerce & Industry is registered under number 136505: Dailywins N.V.
Pearl Trust & Management Corporation N.V.
In the Commercial Register of the Curaçao Chamber of Commerce & Industry is registered under number 15678: Pearl Trust
pearl trust may be a local curacao financial services company, which helps foreigners register their business in curacao.
the pearl trust website says:
pearl trust is named as a ‘statutory director’ of dailywins NV, as curacao law requires that at least one managing director has to be a resident of curacao [an individual or a corporation]
so, pearl trust is just like a shell company, it is not the real owner of dailywins NV.
So all the partners and backers names have been removed from the website now?
No feedback or updates,,, How can anyone take this seriously
Yes twc , the footers on the site have gone …..
wonder what their next move will be ….. will they scrabble around to get their legal stuff in order then tell everyone they already had it sorted …..
are all the scam sites just telling them where they have gone wrong …. so they can try and fix it ???
Still no mention on who the company is or who is behind it …. people are still recruiting and hoping this is their chance to change their life ….
As a partner of one of the admins in Ian Orford’s group, I have gained an insight into the behaviour of this so-called ‘leadership’ team.
The day after the last failed launch we observed these leaders (excluding my partner) spent an evening slagging off anyone in the group who posted a legitimate question.
Their bitchiness was extremely offensive – if only they had spent the time and energy on a process of due diligence on behalf of their teams, rather than a playground mentality, deleting group members and making derogatory remarks about the people they’d recruited to line their own pockets.
I see there is still a lot of naivety within the main group – there has been a split within the admin group and the FB group members are more concerned with who is running the scam sites than who is running the company…..complaining about the number of ‘likes’ on the FB lucky5 scam site!
ZEven my partner agrees with the process of due diligence that the lucky5 scam site has engaged in.
More attention seeking and bluffs by one of the promoters…….
NSL – The problem is – CREDIBILITY – This company wants people to recruit new members and hand over all their bank details.
So asking close friends and family with NO information about who the company or its history is not feasible. Most people will do their on due diligence and come up with a big fat ZILCH…
This product has been launched wrong from day one and the guys lying in the seminars are hugely to blame.. Maybe its not a scam but its not a business model that works either.
The actual launch (when they start taking everyones first payment) is supposed to be the 15th September….has anyone heard anything?
Is everyone going to get stung with a payment they don;t want to make and have no way of cancelling?
Supposed launch day today and surprise surprise more feeble excuses in a very poorly written email….
one bright note is that they claim to have deleted everyones banking information so if that is true we can all forget the whole time wasting fiasco and move on.
I for one will not be waiting around eagerly for the next official “Launch Date” that I doubt will ever come…..very bizarre events from a very bizarre company…
what I found even stranger was the random people promoting it who knew NOTHING about who was behind it but went to massive lengths to try and convince people that it was the best op ever…wow….
anyway here is the email..poorly written by someone it seem slike English is a 2nd language to….
Translation: Lucky5 will not open because it is a regulatory nightmare.