Club4You Review: “Donations” ruse MLM gifting scheme
Club4You fails to provide ownership or executive on its website.
Club4You’s website domain (“club4you.net”), was first registered in 2018. The private registration was last updated on September 5th, 2023.
Of note is Club4You’s website defaulting to German, Club4You’s website source-code containing German and the company operating in euros.
As of February 2024, SimilarWeb also tracked the majority of Club4You’s website traffic originating from Germany (54%).
Putting all of this together, at the very least whoever is running Club4You appears to natively speak German. They also likely have ties to Germany or a German-speaking country.
As always, if an MLM company is not openly upfront about who is running or owns it, think long and hard about joining and/or handing over any money.
Club4You’s Products
Club4You has no retailable products or services.
Affiliates are only able to market Club4You affiliate membership itself.
Club4You’s Compensation Plan
Club4You affiliates make 30 EUR gifting payments each month.
These payments qualify them to receive gifting payments down three levels of recruitment (unilevel):
Joining Club4You
Club4You affiliate membership is tied to a 30 EUR monthly gifting payment.
Gifting payments within Club4You are made via bank transfer or cryptocurrency equivalents.
Club4You Conclusion
Club4You is a classic MLM gifting scheme masquerading as a “private donation network”.
The difference between a legitimate donation platform and an illegal gifting scheme, is that in an illegal gifting scheme payments qualify you to receive payments from other participants.
Whoever is running Club4You of course knows this. And to that end tClub4You offers up the following nonsense:
13. Is club4you.net comparable to an illegal pyramid scheme?
NO !!
Club4You’s justification for not being a pyramid scheme is misrepresentation of a Ponzi scheme.
Illegal Snowball or Pyramid System:
An illegal snowball or pyramid scheme is a system whereby a person or company gives third parties the opportunity to invest money in various models and strategies. For this the participant gets a return or a favor.
Note that “illegal snowball” is a German term for pyramid schemes.
The fraud arises, if not as promised, the return or benefit from the presented possibility of how the money is to be earned, is paid, but from the funds of new participants.
Whether Club4You allows investing or not is irrelevant to it being an illegal gifting scheme.
Payments flow from newly recruited Club4You affiliates to existing affiliates, with never-ending recruitment required for all participants to be paid (note this is mathematically impossible).
One could argue, in addition to the fraudulent business model, Club4You misrepresenting its business model is fraud in and of itself.
As with all MLM gifting schemes, once affiliate recruitment dries up those at the bottom of Club4You’s gifting pyramid eventually stop paying their monthly gifting payment.
This sees those above them stop getting paid, eventually resulting in they too stopping monthly payments.
Once enough Club4You affiliates cease payment, an irreversible collapse is triggered.
Math guarantees the majority of participants in MLM gifting schemes lose money.
Oz wrote:
Club4You definitely has German roots, for which there are numerous indications.
1. only the German version of Club4You was saved in the WebArchive as of May 28, 2019.
ibb.co/SP6jj8x
web.archive.org/web/20190528132749/https://www.club4you.net/
2. Club4You on Instagram in German with 64 followers since November 2020. The translation:
ibb.co/XtG8mH6
instagram.com/spendennetzwerk/
3. one of the numerous hashtags on Instagram is #deutschestartups (German startups). Görsroth in Germany is mentioned as the location.
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instagram.com/p/CHlL_SULzng/
4. the German “AGB” (Terms & Conditions) contain typical German wording.
5. the first imprint contained the following fake data:
ibb.co/MPJHfR8
web.archive.org/web/20210508193350/https://www.club4you.net/impressum
6. the current imprint contains the following fake data:
ibb.co/C0HRcwd
A brief question in between. What is the difference between donation and donatation?
7. back in 2013, a German blog warned about this dubious “company” Koc Ofis Hizmetleri Holding, which at the time operated with letterbox addresses in Ankara and Istanbul in Turkey.
cafe4eck.blogspot.com/2013/06/firstfairnetwork-anonym-uber-turkische.html
8. the former fraud portal firstfair.net of Koc Ofis Hizmetlen Holding was only offered in German.
web.archive.org/web/20130609084335/http://www.firstfair.net/
9. on the former website firstfair.net only the following names were mentioned without addresses or contact details:
– Andreas Weisheit from Bavaria in Germany
– Stephanie Schmidt from Germany
– Gerald Behringer from Malaga in Spain
– Udo Pape from Germany
– Brown Bear from Germany
– Andrea Jentsch from Baden-Württemberg in Germany
It is not clear what role these persons played in connection with firstfair.net.
10. most Club4You videos use the German language. More on this in the next comment.
The official YouTube channel Club 4you has existed since January 2019 and contains 40 videos in various languages.
The first video was in German. The country listed is the United Kingdom, which is of course incorrect.
The channel only has 352 subscribers and the comment function is disabled under every video.
youtube.com/@club4you348
In a video from July 17, 2022, specific reference is made to German law for donations and the German Civil Code. This is a further indication that the operator of Club4You has German roots.
In a video from February 20, 2021, members of Club4You are first quoted in writing. The following names were mentioned:
Oliver and Birgit from the team from Hesse in Germany, Irina Hoppe, Christian and Dittmar Pfeil.
Hans-Georg Tesch then spoke for around three minutes.
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youtube.com/watch?v=VGZND-RMHZw
Hans-Georg Tesch also has his own YouTube channel with this video from August 11, 2023.
youtube.com/watch?v=fU23G-4D0UE
We know that Gift of Legacy no longer exists. Oz wrote on December 20, 2022:
https://behindmlm.com/companies/gift-of-legacy-collapses-new-earth-economy-global-reboot/
Why is the homepage of giftoflegacy.com still online?
ibb.co/QHVrT6F
Is Club4You a primitive attempt to copy the Gift of Legacy scam?
Markus Lowien from the Kiel region in Germany has uploaded eight videos to his channel Club4You Germany.
Video from December 26, 2022.
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youtube.com/watch?v=xb6TLdNlPds
The Club4You Germany channel with 126 subscribers:
youtube.com/@club4you_deutschland
Markus Lowien on LinkedIn:
ibb.co/n3Yp61z
linkedin.com/in/markus-lowien-1a163b134/?originalSubdomain=de
Markus Lowien from Germany registered the domain freimitmarkus.com (free with markus) on October 31, 2022:
ibb.co/c35fWXM
The website freimitmarkus.com was never online, but always redirected directly to club4you.net.
Markus Lowien has not updated his personal website markuslowien.com for years. He thanks you for registering, but it is not clear which company or project he is referring to.
ibb.co/wLtmbQG
Herbert Tarrey from Braunschweig in Germany uploaded 12 Club4You videos by Markus Lowien to one of his YouTube channels in just two days in January 2023 (see playlist). With just three subscribers, he obviously doesn’t reach a large audience.
ibb.co/BGng4bL
youtube.com/@herbert-tarrey/videos
11 videos for the Club4You scam have been uploaded to the YT channel OrpheusXL since July 2023.
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youtube.com/@OrpheusXL/videos
In a video from April 5, 2024, this scammer claims that Club4You has more than 2.5 million members.
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youtube.com/watch?v=Yf13xlpfaRs
“More than 2.5 million members“? The visitor statistics for club4you.net show only 62 visitors a day and all of them come from Germany.
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Who is behind the pseudonym OrpheusXL? His real name is Dietmar Jokisch, most probably a German who currently lives in Morocco.
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Dietmar Jokisch‘s personal website is orpheus-media.net with this incomplete imprint:
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The domain orpheus-media.net was registered privately on April 11, 2018 in Germany and updated on August 12, 2024.
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The number of visitors is so low that it cannot be measured.
Annegret Blöcher and her husband Armin Blöcher from Dillenburg in Germany advertise numerous MLM scam systems, including Club4You, on websites and on YouTube. The following screenshot shows only an excerpt.
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youtube.com/@AnnegretBloecher
Under the following video from December 18, 2023, Annegret Blöcher also mentions her own website spendenempfangen.de (translated: “receiving donations”), which no longer exists. The video was produced by Dietmar Jokisch (see comment #7).
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Among other things, the video claims that Club4You already has more than 2.5 million members!
youtu.be/wnXQkvuc3TI?t=116
The visitor numbers of club4you.net prove that this is an infamous lie. The visitor statistics from December 2023 to February 2024 showed 23.5K in December 2023 and only 3.3K in February 2024. Germany led with 54.40%, followed by Indonesia with 45.60%.
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The visitor statistics from June to August 2024 show that the highest number of visitors per month was 1.9K and 100% of whom came from Germany.
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This video attempts to declare Club4You legal by referring to Section 516 of the German Civil Code. This paragraph declares that gifts are generally permissible. Gifts to one person within 10 years are exempt from inheritance tax up to 20,000 euros. However, Section 516 of the German Civil Code does not declare commercial or organized gifts to be legal.
youtu.be/wnXQkvuc3TI?t=319
The reference to this German paragraph confirms what Oz suspected:
I have been observing the activities of Mr. and Mrs. Blöcher for some time now. They are stupid, totally uneducated and believe that money grows on trees and only needs to be plucked.
Annegret Blöcher‘s full contact information as of September 15, 2024. Why does she mention the zip code twice?
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web.archive.org/web/20240915190514/https://www.desertgreener24.com/impressum/
The following photo shows Annegret Blöcher on one of her websites for DesertGreener from Austria.
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German serial scammer Armin Blöcher from Dillenburg uploaded three videos for the Club4You scam to his YouTube channel on October 14, 2024.
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youtube.com/@ArminBl%C3%B6cher-z1h
One video is by Hans-Georg Tesch, who describes himself as an entrepreneur and whom I already mentioned in comment #2.
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youtube.com/watch?v=bmeHyeZSqXE
In another video, Armin Blöcher writes in big red letters:
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youtu.be/W6j-asKE4KM?t=72
In September 2024, club4you.net had only 636 visitors, 100% of them from Germany. 636 out of almost 8.2 billion people worldwide participate in Club4You – that’s a huge success! 😀 After all, the domain club4you.net will be 6 years old next month.
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Addition to comments #8 and 9.
German serial scammer Armin Bloecher from Dillenburg has a second YT channel with a single video for Club4You.
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youtube.com/@ArminBloecher
Dennis Baldof has been promoting the Club4You scam on YouTube with five videos since July 2023.
Of course, he does not answer questions under his videos. He also does not provide an email address in the information about his channel.
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youtube.com/@DennisBaldof
The YT channel Club 4you has existed since January 2019 and contains 11 videos with a total of 10,668 views.
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youtube.com/@club4you348
Another video from July 17, 2022 was not listed on this channel, although it alone achieved 17,834 views. Why is that? Does this video contain more lies than the others?
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youtube.com/watch?v=MWRa56I95L8