AutoTrade Gold Review: Panthera Trade & Pansaka sec fraud
Despite the company going by AutoTrade Gold, it actually operates off a domain belonging to Panthera Trade Technologies.
Supposedly Panthera Trade Technologies has an “API platform dedicated to AutoTrade Gold”.
Panthera Trade Technologies claims it’s “one of the introducing brokers of LegoMarket LLC.”
LegoMarket LLC is a shell company incorporated in Saint Vincent and the Grenadines.
AutoTrade Gold licenses are sold through a third company, Pansaka.
On their website, Pansaka refers to itself as “PT. Pansaky Berdikari Bersama”.
Given that…
- AutoTrade Gold affiliate registration is through Pansaka; and
- AutoTrade Gold support is provided by Panthera Trade Technologies
…it is highly probably that whoever is running AutoTrade Gold is also behind Panthera Trade Technologies and Pansaka.
Neither AutoTrade Gold, Panthera Trade Technologies or Pansaka provides company ownership information.
Pansaka’s website operates off an Indonesian domain. This suggests whoever’s behind AutoTrade Gold might have ties to Indonesia but isn’t definitive.
Panthera Trade Technologies’ website domain (“pantheratrade.live”), was privately registered on June 3rd, 2021.
Pansaka’s website domain (“pansaka.co.id”), was privately registered on December 7th, 2020.
At time of publication, Alexa ranks the US as the top source of traffic to both Panthera Trade Technologies’ and Pansaka’s websites (50% and 46% respectively).
Indonesia is the only other notable source of traffic, coming in at 38% and 44% respectively.
This does support AutoTrade Gold’s ties to Indonesia. The US traffic dominance however is unclear.
Update 10th January 2022 – A reader in the comments below has provided some insight into Pansaka’s CEO.
Dinar Wahyu Saptian Dyfrig, aka Wahyu Kenzo, is Pansaka’s CEO.
Given the close proximity of Pansaka to AutoTrade Gold and Panthera Trade, he’s assumed to ber running or involved in the running of those too.
According to Dyfrig’s social media profiles, he’s based out of Jakarta in Indonesia. This brings us full-circle. /end update
As always, if an MLM company is not openly upfront about who is running or owns it, think long and hard about joining and/or handing over any money.
AutoTrade Gold’s Products
AutoTrade Gold has no retailable products or services.
Affiliates are only able to market AutoTrade Gold affiliate membership itself.
AutoTrade Gold’s Compensation Plan
AutoTrade affiliates pay a fee to access AutoTrade Gold’s trading bot.
- License 1 – pay $112 and you are able to trade with $100 to $500
- License 2 – pay $224 and you are able to trade with $100 to $5000
- License 3 – pay $560 and you are able to trade with $100 to $30,000
- License 4 – pay $2800 and you are able to trade with $100 to $1,000,000
- License 5 – pay $3920 and you are able to trade with $1,000,000 or more
Note that although USD amounts are provided, all payments within AutoTrade Gold and its associated companies are made in cryptocurrency.
The MLM side of AutoTrade Gold pays on funds traded by downline affiliates.
AutoTrade Gold Affiliate Ranks
There are five affiliate ranks within AutoTrade Gold’s compensation plan.
Along with their respective qualification criteria, they are as follows:
- Trader – sign up as an AutoTrade Gold affiliate
- Sub IB Partner – invest at least $3000, and personally recruit at least twenty affiliates who together have invested at least $30,000
- Sub IB – invest at least $7500, and personally recruit at least thirty-five affiliates who together have invested at least $75,000
- IB – invest at least $15,000, and personally recruit at least fifty affiliates who together have invested at least $150,000
- MIB – invest at least $250,000, personally recruit at least one hundred affiliates who together have invested at least $500,000, and generate a total downline of two thousand five hundred affiliates who together have invested at least $5,000,000
Referral Commissions
AutoTrade Gold pays referral commissions via a unilevel compensation structure.
A unilevel compensation structure places an affiliate at the top of a unilevel team, with every personally recruited affiliate placed directly under them (level 1):
If any level 1 affiliates recruit new affiliates, they are placed on level 2 of the original affiliate’s unilevel team.
If any level 2 affiliates recruit new affiliates, they are placed on level 3 and so on and so forth down a theoretical infinite number of levels.
AutoTrade Gold caps payable unilevel team levels at four.
Referral commissions are paid as a percentage of funds invested across these four levels based on rank:
- Traders to Sub IBs earn 20% on level 1 (personally recruited affiliates) and 10% on level 2
- IBs earn 20% on level 1 and 10% on levels 2 and 3
- MIBs earn 20% on level 1 and 10% on levels 2 to 4
AutoTrade Gold affiliate membership fees also generate business volume. It is unclear whether commissions are paid out on this volume.
Joining AutoTrade Gold
AutoTrade Gold affiliate membership is tied to a $112 to $3920 license fee payment.
- License 1 – $112
- License 2 – $224
- License 3 – $560
- License 4 – $2800
- License 5 – $3920
The more paid in license fees the higher an AutoTrade Gold affiliate’s income potential.
Note that full participation in AutoTrade Gold’s income opportunity requires both a Pansaka and Panthera Trade Technologies account.
Also note that all payments within AutoTrade Gold are made in cryptocurrency.
AutoTrade Gold Conclusion
AutoTrade Gold is your typical “lulz can’t touch our money” trading bot Ponzi scheme, run through Pansaka and Panthera Trade Technologies.
You have a trading bot, supposedly trading in gold, created by persons unknown and generating an advertised 15% a month.
Needless to say anyone on the planet with a bot generating a 15% monthly return, isn’t selling you access for as little as $112.
If AutoTrade Gold was a bot actually capable of consistently generating 15% a month, whoever is running the scheme would invest and compound their way to riches.
That’s not happening for what should be obvious reasons.
AutoTrade Gold represents it generates trading revenue via “the gold market”.
Supposedly this will be expanded to cryptocurrency, oil and forex trading at some point.
No evidence of actual trading is provided (the only acceptable proof would be audited financial reports).
The basis of a “lulz can’t touch our money” Ponzi scheme is rigged trades. This creates the illusion of returns being paid to affiliates until new investment dries up.
At that point a collapse is triggered, resulting in trades universally rigged in favor of AutoTrade Gold’s admin. This process cleans out affiliate accounts.
This exit-scam is typically accompanied via a communication claiming the bot was hacked or malfunctioned.
One point of due-diligence I want to address is AutoTrade Gold feigning legitimacy through LegoMarket LLC.
LegoMarket has meaningless basic registration with the NFA. And equally meaningless registration with the Australian Securities and Investment Commission.
Both of registrations are meaningless, primarily because LegoMarket is a faceless shell company, incorporated in a red flag jurisdiction and likely with bogus details.
LegoMarket’s NFA basic registration is meaningless because it doesn’t address AutoTrade Gold being an unregistered securities offering.
LegoMarket’s ASIC registration is meaningless. No financial filings have been made and AutoTrade Gold isn’t actively soliciting investment from Australian residents.
LegoMarket is also registered as a shell company in Australia as “LEGO MARKET LLC PTY LTD”.
For the purpose of due-diligence, basic incorporation anywhere is meaningless.
With the US and Indonesia being its primary source of new investment, AutoTrade Gold and its associated companies need to be registered with financial regulators in both countries.
In the US that’s the SEC. In Indonesia securities are regulated by the Financial Services Authority.
Neither AutoTrade Gold or its associated companies are registered with the SEC or FSA, because as above it’s a “lulz can’t touch our money” Ponzi scheme.
If you want to ignore that, by not registering at a minimum AutoTrade Gold is still committing securities fraud.
The math behind Ponzi schemes guarantees that when they collapse, the majority of participants lose money.
Signing up to Pansaka and Panthera Trade also requires AutoTrade Gold affiliates to hand over personal information.
Send your valid ID (identity card, passport or driving license) as well as a selfie with your ID close to your face.
This additionally opens up AutoTrade Gold affiliates to identity theft.
Sending your personal information to randoms over the internet is generally a bad idea.
Sending your personal information to randoms running Ponzi schemes is asinine.
Some info that may be useful; Pansaka is registered in Indonesia. The CEO is Dinar Wahyu but he is more known by his nickname Wahyu Kenzo.
Traders who trade ATG and ATC can withdraw their profits and funds 24/7 from PantheraTrade.
Other than using the ATG and ATC bots it is also possible to manually trade on PantheraTrade using the MT4 trading terminal. You only need to provide proof of identity when opening an account on the PantheraTrade broker site.
Proof of identity is something required by any broker. Proof of identity on Pansaka is not required.
Pansaka office location: goo.gl/maps/mhaP5YTpEhgi9F6T6
CEO Pansaka: instagram.com/wahyukenzo88
CEO Pansaka: youtube.com/watch?v=Yje6T2dHv8I
Pansaka registration with the Indonesian Ministry of Communication and Information: pse.kominfo.go.id/tdpse-detail/2905
Thanks for the heads up. I’ve added your research to the review.
Thru the MT4 application you can monitor the gold trades in real time.
For the trades to be rigged, AutoTrade Gold would need to know the future.
There is a chance they are delaying the gold price feed to MT4.
I have many MT4 brokers and will try to compare gold pricing to ensure they are in sync. I will report back in a few weeks.
Not your bot, not your trades. AutoTrade Gold can do whatever they want with your account balance.
Worrying about MT4 nonsense is meaningless. There is no substitute for registration with financial regulators and providing audited financial reports.
Again, if a live trade is placed on MT4, you are watching it in real time. Say you buy Gold hoping it will go up $8 before you sell it.
In MT4 you have to wait in real time for it to go up knowing there is a good chance it will go down forcing your equity to downdraw as you wait for the price to come back up, or concede an outright loss.
I will watch their trades and compare their Gold price data to my other MT4 accounts to make sure they are not delaying the gold price data.
If they are delaying the gold price data to mt4, then that would indeed allow them to ‘know’ the future in a fraudulent way. I will report back in a few weeks.
And? Not your bot, not your trades.
Look past the bUt I cAn SeE tRaDeS! phase.
Ok so the next time they post a trade, I will manually copy it to another broker and see if it pans out. I agree, it will take more than a couple wins to prove valid.
Their trades are verified on myfxbook, meaning they match the real market.
Is it enough to ensure that it’s real, i cant say.
@Me
No legally required audited financial reports, no verification.
Only one reason an MLM company wouldn’t provide reports and choose to operate illegally…
You will not be able to copy any transaction because all transactions are copy protected.
This is done so that transactions cannot be copied to another account.
Not sure if this is helpful information but with PantheraTrade (LegoMarket) you can also open a Standard or Pro MT4 account and do live/manual trading or install your own EA.
I meant that it is not possible to establish reliably whether this is an adviser or a financial pyramid.
That can definitely be established.
Passive investment opportunity? Securities offering.
No retail? Pyramid scheme.
What do yo mean with “no retail”?
PantheraTrade does not “claim” to be related to “LegoMarket LLC”. They are related.
The daily/weekly reports emails are sent from LegoMarket LLC.
Retail = retail customers. If everyone is an affiliate there is no retail.
Obviously AutoTrade Gold, Panthera Trade, Pansaka and LegoMarket are all the same company run by the same people.
Regardless, what is claimed is noted in the review.
Thank you. I’m a retail customer. I use the ATG and the ATC robots to earn money from trading profits.
I have no issues withdrawing whenever I want.
There are no retail customers in AutoTrade Gold. You signed up as an affiliate.
Can you explain the difference between an “affiliate” and a “retail customer”.
Affiliate = access to comp plan.
Retail customer = no access to comp plan.
Sorry but wat is “comp plan”?
Mate I think it’s time for you to hit the books and MLM 101.
I have been withdrawing frequently. Still confused what you mean with “comp plan”.
I just watched a gold deal online. The deal opened, after a while it closed in profit in real time. Where is the pyramid scheme here?
Read the review. You pay the company to use their bot, literally you invest money (not your bot, not your trades) and recruit others who do the same.
Then you receive a percentage of funds invested by those under you, up to four levels deep. That’s your pyramid scheme.
Can you recruit people? Do you make a commission off those you recruit? How much of a commission? Even if you don’t recruit anyone, could you if you wanted to?
That is a “comp plan” i.e., an MLM compensation plan for its affiliates.
It is another pyramid marketing, Ponzi scam. Also a handy means of organised criminals to get hold of cryptocurrency to fund other organised crime. And identify theft to cover their tracks!
It still amazes me how many people fall for these scams!
I have caught the last three trades in real time. The first thing I did was switch to LQDFX and Hugosway MT4 accounts to compare their gold delivery prices and time stamps with ATG’s.
I can say with confidence that ATG is not delaying the data feed to their MT4 terminal. The real time data accurately matches LQDFX and Hugosway.
All three trades averaged about 2-3 minutes of live action, and all three ended in profit. However, I did notice that ATG is ending trades prematurely BEFORE posting the closing trade to Mt4.
I believe this is to prevent copy bots from opening and closing their trades on other accounts, but I could be wrong.
Thus far, for the 3 trades I have caught in real time, both the opening and closing prices and their corresponding time stamps are accurate as compared to 2 other legit FX brokers.
I will keep studying the trades.
“Comp” = compensation. When you sign up and pay AutoTrade Gold, you’re signing up as an affiliate.
That means you can sign up others under you. It does not matter whether or not you do sign up others; the fact that you can means you’re an affiliate, not a retail customer.
There are no retail customers in this scheme, which by definition makes it a pyramid scheme. The fact that new investment is used to pay earlier investors makes it a Ponzi scheme, also.
Whether or not they have a bot making a few trades here and there is of no importance. They have not registered their security offering with the proper regulating bodies, nor have they provided audited 3rd-party financial reports.
That alone tells you they are operating illegally. The only way you can earn money with them is by their stealing from others on your behalf.
Your money was stolen the moment you invested it. That’s how Ponzi schemes work. When they stop working (and eventually, they ALL do), most of the participants are left crying and poor.
You’ve been warned.
I have an account with 3 other brokers, including Icmarkets, and they all have similar referral programs where you get rewarded for recommending them to others.
Cool. Entirely irrelevant.
Let’s take it all in order. The client receives a percentage of the Adviser’s license sold once. The client receives a percentage of the traded volume of his subordinate organization. If he does not sell the adviser, then he does not receive his percentage. If he does not have a subordinate organization, he does not receive bonuses. What is the pyramid?
I’ve been calling this scam for over a year now. Nice to finally see it exposed here.
They’re quite active in France. I think for a while their first market was France and Indonesia (not sure if indonesians can participate tho).
The trades are delayed by a few seconds.
If you guys are trying to compare manually then you’ll not see anything because it’s to fast, you’ll only see the trades that last a few minutes and those are irrelevant they dont make the profits.
The 99% of the profits come from those very fast trades that last only few seconds, those at the moment you get them they’re already almost closed with great “profits”.
When there is a big moove they set up a trade in the past so that they allready know the direction of the market, then the market is likely to keep going in that direction so you think it’s a real trade making profits and if market goes back they can just close the trade with smaller “profit”.
It’s an old well known type of trading scam. 3TGFX, Perfecto , 5 gulden has been running that type of scam like 5 years ago they were paying like 2-3%/month the trades had a bigger delay and would last a few minutes at least.
In this forum: mql5.com/en/forum/355847
the modos explain that Legomarket has been banned from MQL5 for mnipulating datas on their server. That’s exactly what i’ve explained they write fake trades on their server.
Trades are delayed because the ATG and ATC trading robots use MAM trading. LegoMarket offers MAM trading but also IcMarkets, FPMarkets and several other brokers.
The delay is done on purpose otherwise any hillbilly who is copying a MAM trade master account (e.g. ATC or ATG) could resell the signal on MQL5 at $30 per month while the master trader who does the trading, as well as the broker, lose out.
This is why our Russian friends at MQL5 ban servers that are delayed as they cannot make money from these signals.
Anyone who tries to copy the signal complains to MQL5 because it isn’t working.
Having said this, LegoMarket have recently upgraded the server and our now on LegoMarketLLC2-Live and you will find many ATG and ATC signals again on MQL5.
I am guessing it is only a matter of time before MQL5 decides to remove them again.
Other than this, you can actually also open a standard account on PantheraTrade and trade manually. You can deposit and withdraw from your “Standard” or “Pro” manual trading accounts whenever you want as with any other broker.
Read. The. Review. If you can’t see the pyramid, then either you’re blind or you’re in denial. Can’t think of any other way.
You can’t enter the scheme without paying for a license, so the comment about referring an affiliate without a license is irrelevant.
On that volume you are getting paid, most likely recycling funds from those recruited after you. The trading commissions are also coming from below.
Your whole down like is a pyramid within a pyramid.
If you had joined over a year ago you would have withdrawn your initial deposit twice and still be trading today 😉
This remark just shows how little you know about this MAM trade program. Indonesia has the most users by far.
This might come as a shock to scammers but some people aren’t interested in stealing money.
AutoTrade Gold, Panthera Trade and Pansaka aren’t registered to offer securities in Indonesia. They’re just as illegal there as they are anywhere else.
That’s complete nonsense. I’ve invested and worked with various brokers with PAMM and MAMM and they never had a delay.
If they dont want to be copied then they should use a PAMM (on a regulated broker).
The delay is just because they need time to see where the market went the last few seconds and set up a fake trade.
Being able to trade by yourself in one of their account is meaningless, those accounts are not connected to the market, it’s like trading on a demo account.
Common Practice for years I am even Developing a system that does similar using A broker with slower market quotes because they use a third party liquidity provider for there broker which in turn makes the price quotes delayed.
Then you use a fast broker that provides there own liquidity and make profits off the price difference of the traded asset. Not a scam clearly just a well Dev system! Also a form of Arbitrage.
But here it’s not what they do and the delay is on themselves.
I got trap into this unfortunately, they launched maintenance windows every weekends as from last one until the 2 next week.
Ofc withdraws are blocked during the called maintenance slots.
Today they opened it again so I requested the first one. The plan is to get off the boat as soon as I can.
i need advice here if anyone would be generous enough.
i am actually new to this world of trading and i am stilll eager to learn. i have placed my money here and there. i am trading forex on few of the Indonesian local brokers.
And just so happens i also put some money on this ATG 4 months ago. my account balance on pantheratrade has gained about 100% ever since i joined and i haven’t withdraw any yet.
now, reading through this site got me worried about this robot trading program but at the same time i am also FOMO haha.
so can anyone tell me if i should continue or ditch this?
obviously i am gonna keep researching and asking around about this.
Dumping money in scams != trading
Read the review and make your own decision regarding your finances.
Congratulations on doubling your account 🙂 Withdraw your initial investment and continue trading with your profits is what I would do.
Thieves gonna thief