Peak USA LLC lead generator linked to Zeek Rewards
One of the more dubious aspects of Zeek Rewards is the ability of affiliates to purchase Zeekler auction customers to dump VIP bids onto in order to increase their VIP point balance. This in turn increases their effective VIP point ROI over 90 days.
Prior to March 2012 Zeek Rewards directly sold customers to its members via a company ‘5cc co-op’. Abruptly citing FTC regulations coming into effect on the 1st March 2012, the company then ceased this practice. Well, sort of.
After March 2012 affiliates were still able to purchase the same customers they’d been buying prior to March 2012, they just had to do so from the lead generation company Zeek Rewards had been using directly, Peak USA LLC.
Operating through ‘zcustomers.com’ Peak USA LLC continue to sell Zeekler auction customers to Zeek Rewards affiliates in the same manner they did before Zeek Rewards stopped selling the customers directly.
Yesterday, BehindMLM reader (and Zeek Rewards affiliate) ‘MB’ published his customer buying experience through ZCustomers:
As an experiment, I bought 200 customer leads from Z Customers at $2 each for $400. I theorized it would be a waste of money. I was correct.
Over a month later not one of these potential customers ever bought a single bid. Zero. In addition I have another 20 plus “retail customers” in the sponsorship report that have not purchased a single bid on Zeekler.
When I contacted ZCustomers and questioned the suspicious usernames, a representative explained that Zeekler creates the usernames and sends the customer an email with information on how to sign in and use the free bids they have requested.
That last paragraph in particular caught my eye and is confirmed in the ZCustomers FAQ:
How do these Customers find out about Zeekler and use their bids?
They will receive an email message directly from Zeekler.com (with you as their sponsor) with information about how to use their free bids.
On their website, ZCustomers claim that they are ‘not affiliated with ZeekRewards or Zeekler‘:
If true, then how are Peak USA LLC through ZCustomers getting Zeek Rewards to create affiliate accounts for them and send out emails to leads they’ve supposedly generated?
If I called up Zeekler as a third-party company who had no affiliation with Zeekler, Zeek Rewards or Rex Ventures do you think they’d generate some customers for me too? (provided I gave them some email addresses of course).
Don’t think so.
Furthermore, when you consider that ZCustomers also advertise that they ‘are the same company that provided customer prospects (affiliates) received in (the) ZR 5cc company co-op’, the lack of some sort of arrangement and/or relationship between the two companies is even more unlikely.
Prompted by MB’s account of his or her experience, I decided to do some further poking around and well, turns out there is in fact a link between ZCustomers (Peak USA LLC) and Zeek Rewards.
My research began that the ZCustomers website. The ‘zcustomers.com’ domain is registered to a Gary Besssoni of Peak USA LLC and provides an Arroyo Grande California address in the US.
Gary Bessoni lists himself as the CEO of Peak USA LLC on his linkedin profile:
Looking at the source-code of the ZCustomers website I noted that it was pulling data from another domain, ‘gbleadsystems.com’:
I’m assuming the ‘gb’ in GBLeadSystems stands for Gary Bessoni. There is no website set up on the GBLeadSystems domain so it appears to only function as a backend for Lead USA LLC websites.
Interestingly enough the gbleadsystems.com domain registration is set to private, so that turned out to be a bit of a dead-end.
What I did find though through some Google searches was another Zeekler penny auction customer site owned and operated by Peak USA LLC, ‘bidcustomers.com’. The BidCustomers website, like ZCustomers, also pulls information from the GbLeadSystems domain.
A note on the bottom of the BidCustomers website states:
BidCustomers.com is owned and operated by Peak USA, LLC and is not affiliated with ZeekRewards or Zeekler.
The domain registration for BidCustomers however differs to ZCustomers in that it lists an ‘Internet Success Marketing LLC’ as the owner, operating out of Henderson, Nevada in the US. Nevada being the same state Rex Ventures Group LLC (Zeek Rewards’ parent company) is registered in.
Internet Success Marketing LLC have a website up over at ‘ismllc.com’, however nothing is on the website other than the following information:
Brooke Hewlett firstname.lastname@example.org
office 805.888.2206 cell: 916-600-9016 fax 805.823.4891
1124 Meridian Way Rocklin, CA 95765
Brooke Hewlett’s name also appears on the domain registration for ismllc.com. Only instead of the California address provided above, the ismllc.com domain is registered with a Henderson Nevada address:
Internet Success Marketing, LLC
2360 Corporate Circle, Suite 400
After some more research into Hewlett I discovered that her Facebook page lists another lead generation company, HBBLeads in the ‘pages’ section:
On the domain registration for HBBLeads’ website domain ‘hbbleads.com’, Internet Success Marketing LLC once again pops up citing their Nevada address.
On the HBBLeads ‘About us’ page on their website, the company states:
HBBLeads.com was started in 2006 to provide an easy way for home based business entrepreneurs to buy quality leads online. Founded by web developer Brooke Hewlett.
Web developer? The relationship between Hewlett, Internet Success Marketing LLC, Peak USA LLC, Gary Bessoni, ZCustomers, BidCustomers and GB Lead Systems starts to become clearer…
Before we go on, it’s worth noting that HBBLeads also appears on Peak USA LLC CEO Gary Bessoni’s Facebook page:
and Bessoni is named as the owner of HBBLeads on this wahm.com forums thread:
Putting this all together and summarising where we’re at thus far:
- Through ZCustomers and BidCustomers, Peak USA LLC sell Zeekler customers to Zeek Rewards affiliates
- Peak USA LLC claim to have no affiliate relationship with Zeek Rewards or Zeekler on both ZCustomers and BidCustomers
- The BidCustomers website domain is registered to ‘Internet Success Marketing LLC’, indicating it’s owned by Peak USA LLC seeing as they own BidCustomers
- Brooke Hewlett owns the Internet Success Marketing LLC website domain tying her into Peak USA LLC and Gary Bessoni
- Hewlett appears to have co-founded HBBLeads with Bessoni in 2006 and through Internet Success Marketing LLC appears to be either co-owner or working closely under Peak USA LLC’s CEO Gary Bessoni (who himself appears to own Internet Success Marketing LLC due to them being named as owners of the BidCustomers (owned by Peak USA LLC) website domain)
So what does any of this have to do with Zeek Rewards I hear you ask?
Brook Hewlett has more than a few Zeekler and Zeek Rewards Facebook groups on her like list, strongly indicating she’s an affiliate herself:
Obviously some Facebook likes aren’t conclusive enough, so how about the fact that ‘Internet Success Marketing LLC’ was a registered affiliate account over at Zeek Rewards:
You’ll note in the Google cache screenshot (link working as of 16th June 2012) of the ‘http’ affiliate account above that Google state that it’s ‘a snapshot of the page as it appeared on 10 Apr 2012 02:31:34 GMT. The current page could have changed in the meantime’, and indeed it has.
If you visit the affiliate account of the affiliate “http” today (‘zeekrewards.com/getpaid.asp?username=http’), you’ll note that the affiliate account name has been changed from ‘Internet Success Marketing LLC’ to ‘Tyler Fritz’:
So who is Tyler Fritz? Well that I’m not entirely sure of, suffice to say that he appears in BidCustomer’s Google+ “circle of friends”:
and was Facebook friended by Brooke Hewlett on the 2nd October 2011:
Whilst it’s not entirely clear how Fritz fits into the whole Peak USA LLC, Internet Success Marketing, Gary Bessoni, Brooke Hewlett picture – the fact that his name is on a Zeek Rewards affiliate account that previously named Internet Success Marketing LLC as the owner confirms involvement on some level.
What’s more important is that ZCustomers and BidCustomers and for that matter Peak USA LLC in general quite obviously have direct ties into Zeek Rewards themselves.
Bec Hewlett works closely with Gary Bessoni and appears to have an active Zeek Rewards affiliate account, at least in the company name that ties her into Peak USA LLC.
This is important not only because it shatters the claim that Peak USA LLC has ‘no affiliation with Zeek Rewards and Zeekler’, but also because with Peak USA LLC having access to at least one Zeek Rewards affiliate account, it casts deep concern over the legitimacy of their sold Zeekler customers.
Remember, all you need is an email address to sign up a Zeekler customer, there is absolutely no verification process involved whatsoever beyond that.
If we go back to BehindMLM reader and Zeek Rewards’ affiliate MB’s experience with purchasing 200 customers ZCustomers, he noted that upon purchase,
not one of these potential customers ever bought a single bid. Zero.
Given that Zeek Rewards profess the success of their business hangs on retail customers purchasing bids on their auction site, this equates to a 0% conversion rate on the 200 customers bought from ZCustomers.
Although it does conveniently provide dumping space for up to 200,000 VIP points as part of the Zeek Rewards ROI investment scheme.
One would think that out of 200 purchased customers, at least one would have gone on to purchase some retail bids out of their own money on Zeekler. Although with Zeekler’s auctions being full of bid inflation from affiliates and dummy accounts who hold no value on the bids they’re spending though (due to matching VIP point ROIs and referral commissions), perhaps not.
That said, Gary Bessoni and Peak USA LLC have to some degree provided lead customers with legitimate live leads, evidenced by the fact that they have in the past received public complaints over spam being received by supposed leads.
Back in 2002, one seemingly unsolicited lead complained about spam received regarding Prepaid Legal and DHSC Leads. In response to the spam complaint Bessoni wrote:
We under stand your contention that you didn’t join but we use what we receive from our advertiser.
You should make better use of your time then by make unwarranted complaints. There is a simpliar (sic) way to remove yourself from a program that you have changed your mind about joining or forgot to join. It is simply called a remove link.
Supplying leads that “didn’t join” and appear to have no idea what they allegedly have signed up to? Hmm.
Fortunately these days Bessoni and Peak USA LLC are a lot more transparent about the quality of their sold Zeekler auction customers.
The company states in their ZCustomers FAQ:
Do the prospects know that they are being signed up for Zeekler auctions?
No. They are informed about the Zeekler when they receive their first email from Zeekler with information about how to use their free bids. They only know they are going to receive at least 25 free bids.
Supposed customers not even aware what they are supposedly signing up to probably explains MB’s abysmal 0% conversion rate.
When you take on board that those running Peak USA LLC have Zeek Rewards account(s) themselves and are able to generate customers at will, or have some shady arrangement with Zeek Rewards to do so (without the customer’s knowledge beforehand), things start to get incredibly murky.
Especially when you consider that Peak USA LLC don’t even guarantee the legitimacy of their provided customers:
Peak USA, LLC, makes no representation whatsoever regarding the suitability, creditworthiness, viability, or legitimacy of the Leads.
Finally, take a look at how Peak USA LLC claim they are supposedly generating leads:
How do we know these are legit customers?
Most of the customers are generated from e-mail advertisements so we know that the emails are 99% valid. On the customers that we do have phone numbers for we routinely call to verify that they have asked for free bids.
“Email advertising?” Isn’t the unsolicited version of that called spam? Unsolicited in that the person who owns the email address gives no prior permission or authorisation to be signed up to Zeekler as a customer.
How could they? All they receive is an out-of-the-blue email from Zeekler informing them they’ve been signed up as a customer.
When you look at the fact that Zeek Rewards’ investment scheme doesn’t actually rely on customer purchasing anything, things start to get a bit clearer.
As a Zeek Rewards affiliate all you need are customer accounts to dump VIP bids onto that you’ve purchased yourself. So, with that in mind, here we have Peak USA LLC harvesting email addresses from “email advertisements”, sending them off to Zeek Rewards to create customer accounts (or doing it themselves via the ‘http’ Zeek Rewards affiliate account), and then collecting payment for generated customers – who have no idea they are customers until after they have been signed up as one.
Of course whether they use the accounts or not is irrelevant, as Zeek Rewards affiliates are able to dump bids onto the accounts regardless of whether the customer even signs into the account even once. And ultimately at the end of the day that’s what they’re after all paying for.
Customer accounts to dump their purchased VIP bids into, nothing more.
All very well, except that the entire set up utterly exposes the alleged reliance on the penny auctions and whole ‘purchased customers’ scheme for what it really is.
Meanwhile Zeek Rewards and its affiliates run around marketing their alleged 25:1 customer ratio as being the greatest customer success story the MLM industry has ever seen…
Great article, Oz. This part right here pretty much says it all.
I would like to see Troy Dooly’s response to this in light of his cheerleading of the 25:1 customer-to-affiliate ratio of Zeek.
In other words, they were SPAMMED.
Turns out they are also dipping on the Bidsson/Bidify gravy pool. http://www.givemybids.com, almost exact same layout and everything…
They probably purchased some opt-in leads and then just signed up a Zeekler account on their behalf. Peak will claim they weren’t spamming per the CAN-SPAM act because these were opt-in’s, but obviously these customers had no intention of joining Zeekler.
I’ve been asking all the Zeek supporters who spout the 25:1 customer ratio stat to ask “how many of those 25x customers have actually logged in, ever, even if they have never used a bid or purchased anything”. That number alone (how many people have ever logged in) probably blows the 25:1 customer ratio spin wide open.
Peak USA LLC and Gary Bessoni’s other companies provide leads for a lot of MLM ventures and this apparently has been going on for years.
What is different about Zeek Rewards and Bidify is that the commissions (via the ROI) depends only on the generation of customers, rather than the customer actually purchasing anything.
With no email verification on Zeek Rewards end (conveniently) these guys are free to create as many donkey customers they want and rather than actual customer sales (customers purchasing anything), affiliates pay them for the generated customers simply to dump bids onto.
Worse still is that Peak USA LLC employees (working through Internet Success Marketing LLC and HBBLeads appear to be totally in on it by being Zeek Rewards affiliates themselves.
It’s all part of automating the 90 day ROI and turning Zeek Rewards into a truly passive investment, which leaves the only money being paid out as that of the affiliates.
It also totally illegitimises the affiliates who run around proclaiming they have thousands of customers. No doubt all paid for and never purchased a retail bid because they never actually signed up for ZR, they were signed up by Peak USA LLC and Zeekler and simply sent an email informing them of this after the fact.
To put it even more succinctly: Zeek only needed crap leads, and it got crap leads.
My compliments for your hard and persistent work on the rapidly evolving Zeek story, Oz.
TThere is a testimonial on a website styled “BuyPennyAuctionCustomers.com that is just downright bizarre:
“With the 5CC program ending, I’m so thankful you guys offered a quick and easy solution. I got my customers in just 3 days and my earnings haven’t missed a beat.
George S. | zeekrewards Diamond Member”
Of course, a media campaign is under way:
The Albany Times Union picked up the PR Web feed, and the world is to believe the entire Zeek proposition is innocuous.
On June 12, the Motley Fool published a story by Dan Newman titled “Attention New Investors: Invest That Cash.”
Newman’s story was picked up by DailyFinance.com. If you look at the Comments thread below the story on DailyFinance, you’ll see Zeek affiliate spam:
“Hey Stephen interesting article. I wanted to know if you have heard of ZeekRewards? It is starting to make some large waves! I am earning an average 1.5% return on investment EACH DAY. I would tell anyone to do their own research about it before trying it out. But if you or anyone else is interested Let me know. You can check it out here:
Here is the link to the DailyFinance reproduction of Dan Newman’s story in the Motley Fool:
Zeek affiliate spam is in Comments thread below story.
Here’s another point of suspicion, as posted on Ted Nuyten’s BusinessForHome.org website. I know Ted only through reputation, as he’s much like Troy Dooly… mostly a cheerleader of the industry. He did published an expose on TVI Express scam, then got hit by extended DDOS attack that only stopped when he took the piece off. Any way, back to Zeek… According Ted’s figures, ZeekRewards projected revenue is 15 mil in 2011 and 75 million in 2012.
However, below that they posted the 2011 income disclosure statement. If you multiple the average income by the number of affiliates, you get more than 15 million! You get like 65 million!
I’m surprised Ted didn’t see the problem.
Got a reply from Ted Nuyten. He revised the revenue estimates to 50 million (2010) and 150 million (2011), but he didn’t name a source for the number, and it STILL doesn’t explain the excessive profit given out.
And the IDS only covers the US…
But the IDS probably covers both points and real money.
We can check the number of affiliates by using
Affiliates have their own subdomains, like jimmy.zeekrewards.com. So the current number of PAYING affiliates (silver, gold, diamond) are appr. 343,000 (number of hits for site:zeekrewards.com)
The number of hits for site:zeekler.com was lower = 165,000.
Google won’t index all the sites, only ones with links and not all are indexed.
Other problems include canonical vs. non-canonical, for example try:
Also the “site” directive in Google search will return some indexed inner pages as well. So this returns 25 hits:
But many other affiliate links return just 2 or 8 or some other inconsistent number.
In other words, it’s pretty unreliable.
Just adding another data point, check the meta tags for pennyauctioncustomers dot com. In addition to about every permutation of Zeekler, Zeek Rewards and any other predictable search term for ZR we find two individual affiliate’s names.
The website (of course) uses anonymous registration but the two affiliate names are Todd Dinser and Dave Kettner.
Take a look at the paypal account that pennyauctioncustomers dot com bills through, it’s Sean Walters Media Clinch llc. Media Clinch describes themselves as “a market research, online publishing, media distribution, and lead generation company.” Is Sean Walters a Zeek Affiliate? You betcha.
Does this make me wonder if Todd, Dave and Sean use their own fake customers to build their own downlines, you betcha. Do I wonder if ZR’s crack compliance team will ever ban Todd Dinser? No way in hell will that ever happen, compliance is compliance but Todd is a top earner, he’s untouchable.
Todd Disner making a million a month and also of ASD fame.
When Zeek goes down, Todd may get sued but will only pay a small fraction of his ill gotten ponzi gains.
Again, the whole idea of companies supposedly supplying customers to ZR affiliates to sell bids to completely destroys the claim that the daily ads are bringing in millions of new customers every day.
If Zeek were on the level and not a ponzi, they could totally do away with the one ad per day requirement since it’s obvious that it’s not bringing in any business at all.
But, of course, that’s supposedly the basis of the existence of Zeek Rewards in the first place, so might as well shut it down if it’s not bringing in any business.
Dave Kettner? I just profiled him as ex-TVI…
It shocks me that you can make so many false accusations about my company when you have never contacted me.
You have my company name, phone number, e-mail addresses but you bash both Zeek and Peak USA without corresponding once with anyone from my company except for customer service.
I invite you to be a professional and contact me if you want facts not just one sided reporting.
You’re free to make any corrections and/or point out exactly what is not accurately presented here. I’ve transparently shown all my references and working. Any opinions, conclusions and commentary contained therein are made in good faith and honesty based on publicly available cited information.
Since you’ve stopped by though, I will publicly put forth the question of are you, Gary Bessoni, a Zeek Rewards affiliate (either in your own name, someone elses or a company name)?
You could also clarify how you get Zeekler to create customer accounts for you without having any affiliation with them.
And please, the old ‘you’re completely wrong, contact me for more details’ marketing bullshit won’t fly here. Let’s keep the discussion out in the open.
ok will do it your way. Ask away
3. How is signing up people to Zeek Rewards without their knowledge ethical? They might have agreed to receive 25 bids but the end doesn’t justify the means. You don’t think you should at the very least inform these customers they are being signed up with a third-party company you claim to have no affiliation with?
Let’s face it, by signing them up with a third party company they have not consented to have any dealings with you are sharing their private information (email address) with a company they have no knowledge of.
4. Why doesn’t your company guarantee the legitimacy of the leadys you provide Zeek Rewards affiliates?
5. Has a customer sold by Peak USA LLC ever been created in Zeek Rewards affiliate accounts either controlled by the company itself (Peak USA LLC or any of the other companies in this venture (Internet Success Marketing LLC etc.), one of its employees or any of their relatives?
6. You wrote the following:
Elaborate on what you are asserting these “false accusations” and why they are false. I’ve clearly shown the information that forms the basis of the opinions, conclusions and commentary contained in the article, so you’ll have to show yours if you’re going to claim something to be false.
I will add any corrections that need to be noted but ‘because Gary Bessoni said so‘ is not conclusive enough.
Greetings Mr. Bessoni, thank you for joining us here and I appreciate you giving us this opportunity to set the record straight. I’m looking forward to your replies. If I might add another question:
7. Within a reasonable degree of accuracy, how many leads total has your company sold to Zeek Rewards affiliates?
Each affiliate should ask their upline how many points they have earned from RETAIL PAID BID purchases.
Those are bids that are available to be purchased ONLY through the zeekler auction site by retail customers and not by affiliates in their back offices.
What if an affiliate creates a Zeekler account with a dummy email address and signs up as a customer under their affiliate account?
Today is father’s day and my children are insisting I get off the PC.
I will answer two of your questions at this time.
Yes I am Gary Bessoni
My company nor any of my employees are active affiliates working Zeek Rewards or Zeekler.
Let me be clear on this point. No one employeed or associated with Peak USA as a contractor,vendor or family member has ever had a position in Zeek or Zeek Rewards that has paid them a single penny. This of course is to the best of my knowledge.
Again we are a 3rd party vendor, that provides business opportunity leads and customers to 1000’s of independent distributors work for 100’s of Network Marketing customers.
I have believed that there is a significant relationship between Zcustomers and Zeekler for a few weeks now and am impressed by the amount of digging you have done to bring this to light.
I have no solid proof of this, but I also believe that on top of the relationship between Zcustomers and Zeekler, the e-wallet Zeekler uses Nxpay, AND the ad-posting site AdSmartZ.com EACH are somehow related to Zeekler.
Essentially, I think our money is all going to the same handful of people for zeekler and its “unrelated” services. If the author feels the same way, I would like to hear your take on this.
So how do you explain the Peak USA LLC –> bidcustomers.com –> Internet Success Marketing LLC ->> Zeek Rewards affiliate account “Internet Success Marketing LLC” chain of links then?
Thankyou for taking time to participate in the discussion I await answers to the rest of the questions posed.
I wouldn’t at all be surprised if Adsmartz was in some way linked to Zeek Rewards either.
Actually here’s a tangible link for you. The source-code of adsmartz reveals a non-used login form for a Ning social group called ‘Team Fired Up’:
You can’t access the Ning group without a login, however Team Fired Up appears to be the name of Dimaond Zeek Rewards affiliate Trudy Gilmond’s downline. Here’s a Zeek Rewards News puff piece on her from July 2011 –
Trudy Gilmond was recruited by Zeek Rewards COO Dawn Olivares as an affiliate and is named as a ‘Team Fired Up Charter Member’ in the piece.
Is that strong enough to place Gilmond as the owner (or a co-owner) of Adsmartz? You tell me.
Sidenote: There’s a popup on the Adsmartz website advising that as of July 1st they will no longer automate the publishing of the daily ad. Members will have to login and click a button to do it.
How is that any different to publishing it manually yourself? Why would anyone pay Adsmartz for that?
As for NXPay, they appear to be legit and list their management details on their website.
I have read that they’ve been (temporarily?) blocked as an option for Zeek Rewards affiliates to cash out with them though. Apparently you can still buy bids through NXPay though. Money in but no money out.
Oz, As a zeekler affiliate you are capable of siging up multiple dummy email accounts to give FREE RETAIL BIDS away to the dummy account.
However, as an affiliate who wants to earn points AND give a customer the option to use more desireable bids for higher valued items, it is very possible that the affiliates find real customers(family,friends,partners,etc…) to create accounts and pay for their bids bought on the zeekler site.
For each dollar spent by customers on affiliate auction sites,1 VIP point is given to the affiliate who referred that customer. So if i am an affiliate who has maximized my bid purchases to give away (10,000) I can pay my dummy customer (family member, friend, etc..) and give him or her cash to purchase bids.
From those bids purchases I will earn 1 point for every dollar spent. Therefor I can purchase RETAIL PAID BIDS and still earn VIP points.
These purchases look as if zeekler is selling RETAIL PAID BIDS to actualy customers but in reality much of the sales are probably from affiliates who capitalize on the points being earned as well as procuring more desirable bids.
Yeah, precisely what I was talking about. You can’t go off retail bid purchases as an indicator because affiliates are creating customer accounts and buying bids to benefit from the matching VIP point bonus and referral commissions.
They can also try to get some more money back by using up the bids in Zeekler’s auctions (which causes inflation because the bids have no value to them, they make their money back and more in the 90 day ROI scheme and referral commissions), by winning an auction and cashing out.
What you can ask though is how many retail customers an affiliate has that they didn’t sign up themselves who then went on to purchase more than an initial test spend of retail bids (ongoing purchases would indicate legitimate interest in Zeekler).
To date I haven’t heard of one. None of the affiliates who have commented here have one of these legit customers.
Affiliates with access to downlines in the thousands have also reported never seeing one of these customers (by asking their downline if anyone earns referral commissions from ongoing bid purchases by customers).
The only customers who purchase bids are the dummy customers set up by affiliates. The other customer accounts just get bids dumped onto them for the ROI scheme and more than likely never even login to their created account – they are never heard from again. And if they do login, it’s just to see what the email was about informing them that Zeekler has created an account for them without their consent or prior knowledge (all these “paid customers” people are buying).
Trudy Gilmond was in Regenesis 2×2, another Matrix scheme that reportedly was under US Secret Service investigation.
yes Oz exactly.
The previoulsy released income statement means absolutely nothing regarding the credibility of Zeek Rewards. The income statement only shows what zeek has paid its affiliates and not what they are earning from retail customers.
These affiliates have most likely created, and purchased, bids on, dummy accounts to earn their points. Zeek will pay them daily from the points, a percentage from affiliate bid repurchases, a percentage from subscription payments, and pay them from the matrix pool. Payments from the matrix are only from subscription payments made my affiliates in the matrix pyramid.
This is a very complex and elaborate Pyramid/Ponzi Scheme. MANY are winning at the moment. But most will lose in the end. It will end when affiliates discontinue buying RETAIL PAID BIDS and start expecting to get paid from their points.
Probably 180 days from now, which is when the surge of recently joined affiliates will be expecting payments from zeek after switching to 80/20
@ Oz or K. Chang
Wondering the steps you would suggest to take to completely cancel/delete a Zeek Rewards account with no out of pocket money added. I can’t seem to delete my credit card info. I’ll probably cancel the car I used. Thanks for any help.
@tkitty – just change the CC in your back office to some other number that will be declined. You’ll automatically drop to Free on the next monthly subscription payment run.
Yeah. But I will still have an account with Zeek Rewards. And from all the reading I’ve done on this website and others it is either too late to get in for any real profit and the whole thing seems to be on very shaky ground. Not too mention the tax problems and the fact they have ss#’s.
Hey random but how are you guys using the green boxes to reference a past comment? The quote link?
What makes you say 180 days? Isn’t at the 90 day point that affiliates generally change to 80/20?
@tkitty Would you mind telling me what other websites you are getting the information from that the company is likely going under soon? I would like to read some more information on the matter other than from this site.
Use <blockquote> and </blockquote> tags.
Have fun. 🙂
try realscam.com and patrickpretty.com and read alot of this blog starting in April. Under deferent headlines you can read alot of debate.
There is a lot of info on behindMLM but you do have to read through many articles and thousands of comments. It’s great for getting real-time updates and discussion.
If you want a top-down run through of all significant issues and outstanding questions, I highly recommend K. Chang’s hub here:
I like to introduce new people to k.chang’s hub, and those who want the latest to come here.
Thank you tkitty for your kind mention of realscam.com but allow me to offer a gentle correction for the URL of Patrick’s most worthy blog. It’s patrickpretty.com and along with Oz’s site it’s very well worth a daily read.
Thank you again. 🙂
Thanks for the correction and the tips.
Thanks for the support guys. You’ve been a hell of a lot more helpful than zeek admin thus far. And I’ve paid them 5000 dollars!! It was my first “investment” and I’ve learned a lot about scams. Just wish it wasn’t such a costly mistake.
Could you explain the green box thing in a bit more detail?
You can also do the green box thing by selecting (highlighting the text) from a post and then click “Quote” which will include all the formatting for you in a green box.
You can get half of it back within 6 weeks or so?
14 days “all in” + 28 days 100% withdrawal = half of the money back. Plus you will still have a 6,000+ balance for 48 days (90 days minus 42 days).
Or a “One week IN, One week OUT” plan? One week at 100% reinvestment, followed by one week of 100% withdrawal. Repeated for 12 weeks or so, if the scheme lasts that long.
Use a spreadsheet to test different risk/reward plans? Too much of one of them will either make it too risky or too boring. The withdrawal will also heavily reduce the possible payouts for the rest of the 90 days.
You’ll need to find your own plan, so I can recommend using a spreadsheet.
To get a more balanced viewpoint, you can read Troy Dooly’s blog MlmHelpDesk. Link to MlmHelpDesk can be found in the bottom of the menus to the right (top of page, scroll down a few pages).
This blog is balanced from the beginning when we make reviews of a company, but it will gradually become less balanced. The same will also happen to other blogs, they attract different types of readers. But the INTENTION of being balanced have been present most of the time.
The most major threats against Zeekrewards are
A. It will run out of new investors and money
B. It will be shut down by authorities
I have been an affiliate since 8/29/12 and my VIP points are up to 6,500 as of 6/18/12. Thus far, I have “cashed out” $164 in total (though I have not yet actually received a dime since my first request for the payment on 5/30/12).
At this point I am trying to determine how much longer zeekler will stay afloat. Does anyone have any predictions? As far as making a plan to withdrawal my principal I have written up 2 potential options for withdrawal thus far based on expected daily returns.
– 100% compounding until 8/6 (Day 69 for me)leaving 13,515 VIP points to pull cash from.
– 100% withdrawal from 8/7 -8/27 (Day 70 to 90) leaving me with $4224 in cash.
– Leaving me 8,515 points at the end of 90 days (13,515-5000 original principal)
– 80% compounding, 20% withdrawal until 8/14 (Day 77 for me)leaving 13,105 VIP points and $1,638 withdrawn.
– 100% withdrawal from 8/15 -8/27 (Day 78-90) leaving me with an additional $2,250 withdrawn ($3,888 total)
– Leaving me with 8,105 points at the end of 90 days (13,105-5000 original principal)
My calculations assume a 1.9% daily return (approximately half that Fri-Sun) which is what I have been receiving in past weeks.
There are so many options for withdrawal I’m feeling overwhelmed. I really do not know what option is best form me at this point. I like your idea of “one week in, one week out” or maybe I should use a 50/50 plan or 60/40 plan? Or heck, maybe I should withdrawal 100% from my current 6,500 points?
A major question for me in determine when and how much to pull out is how much longer witl zeekler last? And even if they do last awhile will the pay? Other than stories I have seen zero tangible proof from my upline or elsewhere that they do.
Can I ask what calculations exactly you used to determine this?
I’d like to point out that everyone (author and participants) on this blog is awesome for their contributions in telling the logically true side of how zeekler operates. I thank you all and would like to contribute should I not receive my “pending” checks within a week/week and a half.
Very strange post indeed. If you are that “Frightened” why don’t you set it at 0% and run the points down, request a payment every Sunday? Then you will have taken everything out.
Also by the terminology you are using “investment” “compounding” you obviously haven’t done the compliance course. If Compliance find out who you are, you will be kicked out anyway, so then you won’t have to worry about how to run your points down and get cash earned out lol.
Not sure how it is a costly mistake. Just set it 0% and run the points down, take out the daily cash rewards. That will more than cover your initial bid purchase.
Is it really the affiliate’s fault when the company chooses to call their business “not an investment” when it really is an investment? Go look up the “Howey test” and see how it applies to ZeekRewards.
Ad Surf Daily did the same thing: intentionally refer to itself as “advertising” and “rebate” and “ad units”. Guess who did ASD hire as consultant and lawyer? Laggos and Nehra. Nehra even certified ASD himself as “compliant” and “not a Ponzi”. Guess what? ASD was shut down as a Ponzi.
As Yogi Berra said, “it’s deja vu all over again!”
180 days was an estimate based on the 80/20 recommended cash out option for the proclaimed 1.4% daily return. If you start with an initial bid purchase of $1000/points, after 90 days you will have accrued 3494.748682 VIP points. On day 91, you will earn $48.9264 and you will retire 1000 VIP points, leaving you with 2543.6751 points.
Those points will generate you $35.6114(1.4% of 2543.6751) and a pay out of $7.1223(20% of 35.6114)
Subtract the 20% payout from the 35.6114 RPP zeek payment and you are left with $28.4891(80%) to buy more bids to give away.
Now, you need to retire the bid purchase from day 1 RPP which will be $14.00(1000*1.4%). so you will be left with 2558.1642( 2543.6751 + 28.4891 – 14.00)
Repeat the same formula process for n days and you will find that each day your payment from zeek will increase by around $.045 from the initial $7.1223 payment from zeek using the 80/20 cash out option.
Use the formula Y= 7.1223x + .045x in your calc and around 140 days from the 80/20 switch you will have earned your initial bid purchase($1000) back from zeeks daily payments from the 80/20 RPP payouts. Considering the last surge of new affiliates was around 40-60 days ago,30-50(40 avg.) days from now they will switch to 80/20 when they reach the 90 day mark. and assuming they will adhere to the recommended 80/20 cash out option from the average 1.4% daily payout, 180(140 + 40) days from now zeek will begin pay you with money that you have no given them.
Not to mention zeek needs to pay you 10% and 5% of bid purchases from your down line affiliates who are earning RPP daily awards with money paid from zeek that is after THEY ALSO have earned their initial bid purchase back.
Oh yah, No matter what your initial purchase is ($5000 in your case, $10, $250, $1000, $10000) the ratios still stay the same and the timeline stays at 140 day payback point.
I’d love to see Compliance kick out an affiliate who has a significant number of points in the US. Zeek Rewards terminates affiliate accounts in 6 countries (using non-existent OFAC sanctions as justification) and refunds only the initial purchase and there is no recourse for them. If they did it in the US, Zeek would be liable in civil court. I’d love to see how that lawsuit goes.
This is why Zeek corporate let’s the top affiliates violate Compliance without enforcement, because any enforcement action against any affiliate with say mid-6 figures or more in points will result in a lawsuit. They have the money for it (from what they have cashed out to date) and they have incentive for it (lots of points left on the table).
The threats to terminate affiliate takes from the How to Run a Cult Handbook under the chapter of “behavior enforcement”.
My suggestion was “use a spreadsheet, and find a plan you feel relatively comfortable with, and follow that plan for awhile”.
Too aggressive withdrawal will make it boring, but it will also heavily reduce some of the risk. But it will also reduce the payouts.
DIFFERENCES IN SPREADSHEETS:
I have used a spreadsheet with FIXED percentages per weekday (higher Mon-Thu, lower Fri-Sat), but average 1.5% per day. Starting on a Monday. The result will be appr. the same with a fixed 1.5% every day.
Monday to Sunday in my spreadsheet:
1.7% 1.9% 1.8% 1.7% 1.1% 1.2% 1.1%
Adjusted to match your spreadsheet better:
1.9% 1.9% 1.9% 1.9% 1.0% 1.0% 0.9%
But the difference in spreadsheet methods isn’t important, as long as the weekly percentage is close to the same. You’ll only need to know appr. how things will work. We are not trying to calculate a moonlanding here.
In addition to other differences in the spreadsheets, I have also some LOGICAL rules.
* Rounding all reinvestments DOWN to a whole number without decimals (assuming you can’t buy fractions of a bid). But storing the decimal value to the next day, and adding it then.
* Rounding all withdrawals DOWN to a whole number.
So I don’t operate with lots of decimals in my spreadsheet, I use them only in the calculation of daily ROI.
YOUR OPTION 1 AND 2:
Option 1: Too risky, from my viewpoint.
Option 2: Too slow, from my viewpoint.
But option 1 will PAY if Zeek lasts for more than 90 days. The longer you delay the first payouts the more it will pay, but it will also increase the risk.
A 20/80 plan will generally be too slow if the priority is to reduce risk, but a plan like that will also PAY if Zeek lasts for more than 90 days.
I tried to simulate your 80/20 calculation, and ended up slightly different but within the same range as you. Probably because my spreadsheet starts on a Monday, and I had some problem identifying the first $164 payout.
A risk/reward plan isn’t only about money, it’s also about feeling comfortable with the risk.
THE RISKS INVOLVED:
A. They can run out of new investors and new money. More than 12 people have more than 1 million points in balance, and several others have 5 and 6 figure balances.
To be able to pay you, they will need money from new investors not only to pay you, but all the other investors who joined earlier. So the odds are heavily stacked against you.
B. They can be shut down by authorities. Authorities works slowly, but the risk has been increasing for more than 6 months.
An additional factor to point B is the tax authorities. I’m pretty sure some of the affiliates will get their tax returns audited, and this will probably involve Zeek in a tax problem.
The tax discussions are spread around in different threads here. I have disagreed most of the time with the methods suggested by Howard Kaplan, where ALL the RPP was posted as taxable income. I will consider them to be “points” rather than “income”.
This is some very hard hitting reporting going on here. I hope more people pay attention and get out… if they can. At least “bid” on a bunch of product as to get something for the money and time.
Mr. Gary Bessoni, I hope you will take the time to answer the questions presented to you in this public forum. If you have been falsely accused, it would seem pertinent that you reply as promptly as you claimed to be slandered.
I realize you did say you would respond, and I still am politely awaiting for your response.
…maybe Fathers Day lasts a week in California?
Not in San Francisco!
Gary Bessoni has still not answered the questions. I bought 200 leads from his company for $400, and not one potential customer bought a single bid.
If he or his company has any credibility, I would think he would answer these reasonable questions. After Oz wrote the article, he promptly showed up to cry foul, yet today the questions remain unanswered.
Mr. Bessoni, I gave you $400. Your product produced zero return. Can you explain why you are not running a racket?
Your representative said Zeekler assigned the usernames placed into the Zeek Rewards sponsorship report. However you say your company, ZCustomers, is not affiliated with Zeekler or Zeek Rewards.
How can you possibly make this claim when there is apparently a collaboration.
Could have been a troll for all I know. 🙂
MB, who cares if your leads (customers) didn’t buy any bids? did you sign up for that reason? I didn’t.
I signed up to make money off my own bids. What is the big deal? Join any company, then go out and buy leads and see how difficult it is to get them to buy what you are selling.
Ponzi, Ponzi – sing it with me now, P-O-N-Z-I S-C-H-E-M-E.
If you can’t see the problem with Ponzi schemes well…
Morals make it easy. Thank you ethics!
Song works great.
I will say these cultists will hang on to beliefs all the way to the end.
I want to open a free affiliate account to read the zeeksupport threads, do i have to sign up under another affiliate?
If so, can someone send me a link for that.
Gotta assume the zeek gestapo is monitoring this forum, so revealing our true identity or affiliate links might result in our accounts being mysteriously hacked.
I considered the troll possibility, but I ask the questions anyway. Will the real Mr. Bessoni please stand up. Lol
The one thing that no one has explained is if all the Zeek reps are simply creating fake accounts to give their sample bids to, who is doing all the bidding on the auctions?
I AM a Zeek affiliate and I have had multiple repeat customers spending as much as $2,000 a pop. People love the penny auctions. People spend thousands in all of the other penny auctions that are not MLM’s.
Why is it so hard to fathom that people love the Zeekler penny auctions? For everyone who is crying PONZI, take a look at our (Ozedit: if you want to crap on about social security do it elsewhere).
Affiliates looking to win an auction and cash out (nobody actually wants the items on offer, shipping is prohibitive).
Multiple repeat retail customers or affiliate “customers”? How many genuine retail customers do you have who are not your family and friends, are not dummy accounts you set up for the referral commission and matching VIP points, and who purchase retail bids on a regular basis with their own money?
Zeekler is garbage compared to other penny auctions on offer and this is largely due to bid inflation due to affiliates and the Zeek Rewards compensation plan. I find it very hard to believe retail customers are spending $2000 on retail bids on a regular basis, affiliates on the other hand…
You asked who is bidding yet at the same time stated you had multiple customers… that doesn’t exactly add up either.
I think he meant to ask that question rhetorically, meaning to say “there are obviously some people buying bids and bidding, as the free bids alone don’t account for all the bidding”.
Even if you took Amused at face value and he has had customers purchase $2k in bids…. the fact that Amused received 20% commission and 2k matching VIP points means Zeek Rewards is losing money.