The 9th Dec Speak Asia Mumbai High Court hearings
Today was supposed to be a rather important day for Speak Asia as many believed that AISPA President Melvin Crasto would get bail, the All India Speak Asia Panelist Association (AISPA) would take on the EOW, and all outstanding First Information Reports against Speak Asia would be squashed.
As it stands, none of the above transpired.
Instead, mysteriously everything was postponed over the weekend until Monday 12th December. Well, mysterious in that AISPA is remaining silent over the issue and at the end of the day all the senior panelists had to say was that things once again, everything had been yet again postponed.
Here’s what they’re not telling you.
Whilst it is true that all matters that were supposed to have been heard today were postponed, the finer details reveal some startling insight into the existing management structure of Speak Asia.
But before I get ahead of myself, let’s have a look at the court proceedings that were scheduled for today.
Speak Asia Writ 3210
Speak Asia filed writ 3210 in Raigad District of the Mumbai High Court on the 15th October 2011. Writ 3210 was filed by Speak Asia against the State of Maharashtra (the EOW) and with it they hoped to quash FIR(s) lodged against it in the Raigad District.
Outcome: Adjourned till Monday 12th December without a
hearing (no reason given).
Speak Asia Writ 3211
Speak Asia filed writ 3211 in Thane District of the Mumbai High Court on the 15th October 2011. Writ 3210 was filed by Speak Asia against the State of Maharashtra (the EOW) and with it they hoped to quash FIR(s) lodged against it in the Thane District.
Outcome: Adjourned till Monday 12th December without a hearing (no reason given).
AISPA Writ 3611
AISPA, furious at the EOW for arresting their President, Melvin Crasto (who AISPA claim is just an ‘innocent panelist), after he failed to explain a $3000 payment made to him by Speak Asia, filed writ 3611 on the 29th November 2011.
Writ 3611 was filed by AISPA in the Mumbai District against the State of Maharashtra (EOW) and with it they aimed to presumably legally bring about the premature release of Crasto, interrupt the EOW’s interrogation of him and hinder the ongoing criminal investigation into Speak Asia.
Outcome: Adjourned until Wednesday 14th December without a hearing (no reason given).
Bail Application of AISPA President Melvin Crasto
After being remanded to judicial custody since Wednesday night, Crasto once again was to apply for bail.
Outcome: Outcome postponed (reserved) yet again till Monday 12th December (no reason given).
Bail Application of Speak Asia Acting COO Ashish Dandekar
Like Crasto, Dandekar had also applied for bail and was hoping for a release today.
Outcome: Bail denied following EOW putting forth reasoning for wanting to interrogate Dandekar further and evidence against him. A Judge remanded Dandekar back into the custody of the EOW until the 15th December.
As you can see, despite the seeming importance placed upon todays hearing by Speak Asia senior panelists and AISPA, in light of far more pressing matters involving the EOW’s criminal investigation into Speak Asia, the court wasn’t interested in hearing any of the civil cases launched by both parties.
Just over two weeks ago now the EOW, seemingly out of the blue, picked up AISPA President Melvin Crasto and what was first reported as a questioning by Speak Asia senior panelists, was later revealed to be an arrest.
Presenting Crasto before a judge, the EOW was granted custody of Crasto as he failed to explain to them a $3000 deposit from Speak Asia made to him.
After five days of interrogation of Crasto, the EOW had garnered enough information from him to go on to arrest Speak Asia’s (former) acting COO, Ashish Dandakar.
I put former in brackets as Dandekar was appointed acting COO following the July arrest of actual COO Tarak Bajpai. Following his arrest and subsequent release from hospital, Bajpai however fled into hiding and hasn’t been seen since. Thus it’s not entirely clear whether Dandekar remained COO or not.
Regardless, the information Crasto provided the EOW along with what they already knew from their ongoing investigation into Speak Asia was enough to convince a judge to remand Dandekar into their custody, where he has remained since.
At today’s bail application hearing for Dandekar, some insight into the EOW’s investigation was revealed. Whereas Speak Asia’s senior panelists and AISPA continue to remain tight-lipped about the proceedings, despite both parties being completely aware of what is going on by attendance, once again the general public and greater Speak Asia panelist family have had to rely on Navniit Kkhosla’s account of events.
Kkhosla was in attendance today and shared with us that
the Public Prosecutor has submitted in the proceedings in the Qila Court, amongst others, that Ashish Dandekar has signed a notice on behalf of Speak Asia sent to Star News claiming Rs. 500 crore as compensation for defamation, loss of business, etc.
Dandekar was, it seems, authorised to sign the notice by virtue of a Board resolution of Speak Asia Online.
The Star News figure is interesting in that Speak Asia appear to be demanding 96 million USD from the media company for simply reporting on the scam on national television.
A case that will no doubt fall flat on its face considering various government authorities investigating Speak Asia have since publicly declared the company to be money laundering, evading tax and being the largest MLM fraud ever investigated in India.
That aside, of even greater interest is the mention of a Speak Asia ‘Board Resolution’.
A board resolution indicates a board meeting, and with Dandekar personally signing off on a legal notice demanding 500 crore sent to Star News by Speak Asia, there’s the obvious evidence required to prove that Dandekar is in direct contact, if not a member of, this Speak Asia senior management board himself.
In this fine detail I believe is a snapshot of the progress of the EOW’s criminal investigation and where there headed. Starting off with the arrest of Crasto, wringing him dry and then taking in Dandekar, it’s clear that they’re gunning for the big fish of Speak Asia still left in India.
With Tarak Bajpai, Harendar Kaur and Manoj Kumar all currently in hiding and having all but publicly abandoned the company, if Dandekar is not on this Speak Asia senior board, there’s a big question mark as to who sits between Dandekar and this board.
As it were, the progress and continuation of the EOW’s investigation is of such vital importance that it’s resulted in the thrice delay of a resolution to Melvin Crasto’s bail application (with the EOW fighting Speak Asia’s AISPA’s lawyers every step of the way) and now continued remand of Dandekar into the EOW’s custody as they continue to grill him.
It’s also I believe resulted in the Mumbai High Court adjourning all civil action initiated by Speak Asia and AISPA till Monday.
Why Monday?
BizBasket a few hours ago put up a notice claiming that
the Hon’ Justice Lahoti will be submitting his report to the Supreme court on 12th of December.
This report will contain the details regarding the ongoing mediation process and his opinion and findings.
I haven’t seen this shouted down as lies by the senior panelists, like they usually do when they aren’t first to break news, so for the time being, despite BizBasket not naming a source, am going to assume this is accurate information.
Update 10th December 2011 – Bizbasket’s info appears to be in relation to the Supreme Court updating the listing for Solomon James Writ 383 (click to enlarge).
As you can see the Supreme Court has updated the ‘Next Hearing’ to the 12/12/2011. Logic would dictate there’d be no need to have a hearing unless Lahoti was ready to submit his report.
You can confrirm this yourself at the Supreme Court of India website:
- in the ‘Petitioner or Respondent’s Name (Full or Part)’ put in ‘jemes’ (not JAMES!) and press ENTER (note the submit button doesn’t work)
- highlight WC383/2011 with a mouseclick and click submit
Last we heard the Lahoti Committee were meeting in secret with the inclusion of the ED, EOW and IT departments. Given that all three have publicly accused Speak Asia of direct criminal activity, I predicted that the outcome of their inclusion could in no way be a positive for the strictly civil action the Lahoti Committee was mediating upon, that being panelists seeking to recover money from Speak Asia.
Noted that the Lahoti Committee is a Supreme Court matter and that everything else today was a Mumbai High Court, the only parties linking the two courts are Speak Asia and the EOW.
We know Speak Asia have no part in the criminal investigation other than being the party investigated, so that leaves the EOW.
With all matters bar the bail hearings adjourned today, are we finally seeing the actual precedence of the criminal matters Speak Asia is involved in taking absolute precedence over the civil action launched by the company and AISPA?
I’d say so.
From the chain of events over the last few weeks it’s clear the EOW are progressing further and further up the local management chain of Speak Asia,which will inevitably lead them to whoever is running things on the ground from within India itself.
This, along with the ED, IT, MCA and any other angles the EOW have on Speak Asia paint a disastrous picture going forward for the company as regardless of what happens on Monday, at best they’re looking at fighting criminal matters in court against these agencies in the near future.
Meanwhile as far as the Lahoti Committee goes, what’s in the report Lahoti hands down to the Supreme Court is a complete mystery given the blanket silence of all parties involved, but again, the inclusion of the government departments and their stance on the company is almost certain to be negative.
Other mysteries that currently need solving are what and if anything the EOW have formally charged Crasto and/or Dandekar with, and what the fruits of a week of interrogation of Dandekar have bore the EOW. Given they have another week in which to interrogate him, we might see this play out sometime next week still.
One thing is clear though, as evidenced by the continual withholding of a decision on Crasto’s bail application, there is obviously some reason the courts are continuing to delay it without even hearing the matter today. Either the EOW case on Crasto is strong or quite clearly the Mumbai High Court is interested to see what effect the inclusion of government agencies in the Lahoti Committee has resulted in.
Having followed this all quite closely over the last six months, the above is my best deduction at the current time given the information we have before us the actions of the Mumbai High Court today in refusing to even hear the civil action put before it.
With the wildcard of the Lahoti Committee thrown in, unfortunately I don’t think we’ve got enough information to piece together what will most likely happen on Monday. The absence of any information regarding the second Lahoti Committee meeting, which took place on a currently unknown date, I believe is too difficult to ascertain with any accuracy with nothing to go on other than the inclusion of the EOW, ED and IT departments.
What these departments brought to the discussion table will no doubt strongly influence the report Lahoti hands down on Monday, and unfortunately we don’t know what that is.
All we know is that whatever is in the report, by Lahoti’s own admission, is only only going to affect the 235 panelists (all of the Speak Asia senior panelists and AISPA members no doubt) that are signed on the Solomon James Supreme Court writ.
Note that this 235 panelist figure was quoted by Solomon James, who submitted the writ that led to the Lahoti Committee’s forming however it’s being commonly attributed elsewhere as only 115 panelists. I’m not sure at this time which is accurate so I’m quoting both figures.
I also note that without being 100% certain, many senior panelists are informing Speak Asia’s panelists that the writ indeed covers all panelists. If this were the case, why on Earth would AISPA feel the need to implead themselves into the Committee meetings?
Surely they’d already be covered by the writ and there’d be no need?
Obviously not.
As it stands, this is my analysis as best I understand the current situations and digesting what went on today. If there’s anything I’ve missed or any gaping holes in my assessment feel free to correct them as you see fit in the discussion below.
Despite comments like this circulating in Speak Asia senior panelist circles:
we here at BehindMLM are always more than willing to discuss the analysis put forth. Please however note that commentary in Hindi and nonsense comments like ‘jai Speak Asia’ and such are not tolerated, as this is an English language blog (and I don’t speak Hindi) and nonsense comments contribute nothing to the discussion.
Once again I’d like to thank Navniit Kkhosla, as if he was not present in court today none of the above analysis would have been possible.
It is again noted that Speak Asia’s senior panelists and AISPA have again completely failed to keep informed the very people they claim to represent, other than telling them to simply relax, shutup and wait till Monday.
Remember that SpeakAsia isn’t a real company? I don’t find them in the Company Registry.
A faked company doesn’t really need a ‘Senior management board’ to make decissions, but I’ll guess they have some sort of ‘Board’, anyway.
The fact that the company is faked may be a good card to play in some parts of this case.
Oh, that’s typical complaint from people *in* the scam. On TVI Express, one guy commented I should be committed to a mental hospital. Except he decided to post under a pseudonym, even though he already posted the SAME comment on Facebook under his real name. From there it wasn’t hard to track him down.
http://kschang.blogspot.com/2011/06/exposing-tvi-express-potty-mouth-joel.html
Back to SpeakAsia: really, who IS paying for the lawyers? All these legal motions aren’t free. Even if the Indian justice system pays for an attorney, it’d be a court appointed one, and it’s pretty clear Phoenix Legal was HIRED by SAOL (when did AISPA got their own lawyers? Which firm?) and not court appointed.
Trace the money, and you’ll likely find who Didenkar getting his orders from. And tracing money is what EOW do.
Read the above with what I have stated at https://behindmlm.com/companies/speak-asia-online/speak-asia-press-releases-are-digitally-manipulated/ dated December 8, 2011,
That implies I am on with AISPA with support for two IDs though not a member of AISPA. Thus Lahoti Committee is not representing just 235 panelists but all panelists.
Anyhow ‘235’ you state when the figure was only 150 Delhites at the time the SC gave the nod for the Lahoti Committee? Does that imply that Bharwani, Crasto, etc. have also jumped onto the United Speak Asia Association’s bandwagon?
‘Is the Lahoti Committee representing 235 panelists or ALL OF THE PANELISTS?’
‘A group of people can represent a bigger group of people, like for example in Women’s Rights, Gay Rights, etc.’
I found this information on the net, spread around in scientific articles about laws, and without any exact answer. I ‘interpreted’ different sources to an answer that I believe is the right answer.
Most of the answer was found in the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms, and in two scientific articles covering other aspects of PIL, like lawyer fees and involuntary participation in a PIL.
In the US, if you have a ‘class-action lawsuit’ (closest thing to PIL) you have to define the “class” very carefully, and often it’s the first thing lawyers argue over: do the victims in the case qualify as a ‘class’?
No idea how PIL would work though. I would have hoped the writ itself would give some hints, but apparently not.
I read some of the criticism for the Charter for Rights and Freedoms, stating appr. what you say about ‘class-action lawsuit’.
Crown Counsel in Canada have ‘voluntary’ lost some cases because of public interests, even if the law is very similar to U.S Laws. The Supreme Court in Canada has ruled against the Government in some cases, extending the interpretation of how the laws should work.
I used a lot of ‘interpretation’ of laws before I posted the answer, but the principles seems to be clear in those two examples – Women’s Rights and Gay Rights. A group of people can represent a bigger group in a court of law.
@jutamaro
Last I heard AISPA were trying to implead themselves into the Lahoti Committee, no idea if that even happened. Also there’s no membership process for AISPA, other than making an account on their website.
You have the staff who run things (Bahirwani, Anju, Crasto etc) and then these guys just claim every panelist account is represented by them. There was no consensus, they just formed AISPA and decided it would be that way one day.
The 235 figure is from Solomon James, the guy who filed the writ, I only assumed he knew what he was talking about. Is the 235 figure wrong?
Parda Phash is stating 115 panelists so perhaps it is, I’ll update accordingly.
Mind you, if Solomon James can’t even accurately quote the number of panelists involved in his writ, what does that say about his understanding of who the writ covers vs. Lahoti’s assertion it covers on the signed panelists on the writ.
Depends if they managed to implead themselves or not. As it stands we have 0 information on the Lahoti Committee’s second meeting. All we’ve been told is a report will be submitted to the SC this Monday.
@M_Norway
In both women’s right and gay rights both of those can be anyone (providing their women and/or gay). With the Speak Asia thing what was the purpose of explicitly naming 235 panelists on the writ then if the action was for everyone?
More names doesn’t = more support legally, so I’d assume as Lahoti confirmed that the writ (and Lahoti Committee) solely covers them. What they might be hoping is that the SC expands whatever they decide after they get the Lahoti report to cover all panelists, but this isn’t a guarantee.
ie. ‘Supreme Court: Ok Speak Asia pay panelists‘, would mean that there’s no reason everybody else can’t get paid too.
edit: I thought some more about this and if all panelists were represented, why did AISPA feel the need to implead themselves, surely they’d already have representation being panelists themselves?
Obviously not. (no idea if they managed to implead themselves or not though). If they didn’t then isn’t that a good indication the writ, as Lahoti stated, doesn’t apply to all panelists? Furthermore even if they did, I guess it depends on how the court interprets AISPA claiming they represent everyone without any formal membership structure or consensus other than ‘because we say we do’ – both of which I don’t think are going to be legally convincing arguments.
Of course the senior AISPA members can count on be included as they’re no doubt named in AISPA’s ad-hoc committee.
@Oz
I only interpreted different sources.
Women’s rights was extended from the group that initially fought for those rights. It wasn’t necessary for all women to be part of the fight. I’ll guess the same principles applies both to the court system and to the lawmakers.
Some of the scientific documents mentioned the possibility to be included involuntary in a public interests case, related to the fees for attorneys. They created a set of arguments, that
* attorney’s fees should be fair value for their work and not the size of the case,
* because some of the public would be involuntary included in a case,
* and exaggerated cost for society is not in public interest.
PILs only pays for the work done, not for the number of clients or the money the lawyer may win for the clients. This is unlike class-action lawsuits, where the lawyer may get a percentage of the money he wins for the clients.
A few more points:
* Supreme Court isn’t paying panelists if they make a judgment that benefits the panelists. The judgment will be about if the money belongs to the panelists (as a group), or if Government agencies can seize some of the money as taxes, fines or similar.
* The judgment will also be about if this group qualifies for the term ‘Public interests group’.
I spent a lot of time trying to interpret this stuff, and usually this won’t make the work any ‘better’. I often ‘derails from the track’ when I spend too much time thinking. But, usually I’m close to the right direction, anyway, even if I’ve derailed from the track.
Laws derives from ethics, what most people consider to be ‘right’ and ‘fair’. Often it’s easier just to use common sense than to read laws and scientific documents about laws. It would have been meaningless if 1.2 million people should have had to register as part of the case. The idea of ‘a group representing a bigger group’ makes a lot more sense.
But, usually I’m close to the right direction, anyway, even if I’ve derailed from the track.-norway
all of you please STOP.
i don’t want to die laughing.
you guys are completely CRAZY and are approximately in outer space now.
for the sake of your own sanity STOP.
but if you’d like to give us a few more laughs ,continue by all means.
^^ another example of solid reasoning from AISPA and the senior panelists.
Meanwhile panelists are now calling on Solomon James to release a copy of the writ to see whether or not it states all panelists or just those signed. They are also asking for a copy of the affadavit filed by Speak Asia in regard to the case, wanting to see if it states it is willing to pay all panelists or just those involved.
As of yet nothing has been released and the only thing we have to go on is Solomon James stating the Lahoti Commitee mediation process covers all panelists, and Lahoti himself stating it doesn’t.
nope. another example of unlimited fun speakasians get when they read your silly misguided and misinformed theories.
half truths are way more dangerous and misguided than a complete lie.
there is no point in arguing with idiocy and bias and half truths.
if anybody from saol management EVER chances upon this hideous site ,i have a question for you-sir, if you can chase star tv with a 500 crore law suit ,is there any way to get an internet magazine which is propagating wild lies and throwing baseless accusations against saol and it’s panelists?
Reading Speak Asia Powers and from the silence over at AISPA HQ, unless you’re a senior panelist covered by Solomon’s writ, most people don’t seem to be having too much fun.
Senior panelists are quoting a lot of the information here without attributing the source too, they’re passing it off as their own analysis. Shame.
I don’t believe this matter is being chased, nor is it a lawsuit. Speak Asia simply sent the demand for 500cr wanting to settle it out of court and Star News most likely just laughed and shredded it.
Same as what happened with Speak Asia’s cease and desist sent to the Times of India. And I’d be doing the same if I received anything from them.
You can only demand money in a lawsuit if that lawsuit actually goes to court, and I don’t believe Star News and Speak Asia have gone to court (?)
@M_Norway
After thinking about it some more, I believe the judgement might by defacto impact all panelists (they’d have a precedent) but still not the committee itself, which only deals with the signed panelists. Lahoti has clarified this otherwise I’d agree it’s well open to interpretation.
it is definitely a lawsuit and i remember putting the high court link here some time ago.
notice mateen hafiz has stopped writing LONG misguided non factual reports about saol?
clarified to WHOM?for a judge who believes in closed door mediation ,he’s definitely not giving away info to any tom -dick or harry on the phone.use some common sense please.
we indians have a lot of it,wanna borrow some?
Speak Asia can’t demand 500cr from Star News directly, they’d have to ask for it as part of their lawsuit, which would be signed off on by Speak Asia’s lawyers.
This appears to be some random letter sent to Star News by Speak Asia demanding 500cr signed off on by Dandekar on behalf of a ‘senior board’.
He put out 2 more stories since Speak Asia sent their threat to TOI. Since then there hasn’t been much to report. You’ll note very little media coverage has come out (apart from Crasto’s arrest) as little has been settled in court. The media typically report criminal matters, they don’t analyse like what we do here.
As an example, 18 months past in Australia before we heard anything in the media about the TVI Express scam case, and that was only after it was finalised. Same deal with Speak Asia.
Does it matter? He’s the one writing the report.
Ah so despite Kkhosla’s accurate information to date, your just going to fall back on the good ol’ he’s lying nanananana’ routine.
Meanwhile Solomon James can’t even decide how many names are on the writ he submitted, nor will he provide a copy of it.
I’ve no reason to question Navniit. And as per Speak Asia Powers and AISPA warnings, it is very much possible to speak to Lahoti over the phone and having filed a FIR against Speak Asia I don’t see why he’d object to talking to him.
Can you answer if AISPA managed to implead themselves into the Lahoti Committee in the end?
Just check the Mumbai High Court Web site and you will find the case listed there.. I am short of time as am going out for family outing otherwise I would have searched for and posted the link too.. If remember the dates right it was in August 2011.
@Sanjeev
Again, unless it’s gone to court you can’t just send off letters to the defendant demanding money. Well you can, but they carry no legal weight.
You need to actually win a defamation suit before you can claim damages and last I heard Speak Asia haven’t won any defamation suits lodged against anyone.
Therefore Speak Asia’s letter was sent looking for a quick settlement, a request Star News seem to have ignored.
Additionally I’ve confirmed via the Supreme Court website that the Solomon James Writ 383’s next hearing in the SC is indeed this coming Monday. The listing was updated only on Friday and the causelist for the SC is currently broken so I’m not sure what time it’s being heard.
Regardless Lahoti is due in court on Monday December 12th so it appears the Committee report has been finalised. Screenshot and info has been added to the main article.
Meanwhile despite this proof, Speak Asia Powers’ Senior Panelists are still trying to convince everyone that this is mere speculation;
Supreme Court matter 7509 -7510 /2011 which is the hearing of ‘MATTERS FOR/AGAINST QUASHING OF CRIMINAL PROCEEDINGS’ (Speak Asia are trying to get the Supreme Court to prohibit any criminal proceedings against it lol?) is also due for hearing on Monday 12/12.
It was also last updated on December 9th.
This matter related to the criminal side of things might be what’s taking precedence over the civil actions launched by panelists and AISPA and causing them to be adjourned without a hearing, as I said it would.
Can you answer if AISPA managed to implead themselves into the Lahoti Committee in the end?-soapbox
nope.you’re not getting any info from me.if some info is already OUT there you can find it on the net.but no fresh info from me.
mateen hafiz wrote one article immediately after the cease and desist notice.this was probably because the letter reached the desk and attention of senior management a little late and before they had their requisite meeting amongst themselves ,and decided to take mateen’s pen away from him ,his last article was already published.since then silence.
saol’s case has hotted up drastically over the last month. it’s a wonder that channels and print media are not raising their trp by giving dramatic, factually wrong and biased coverage to the matter.they’re choosing more to ignore.
guess nobody likes to be slapped with 500 crore defamation suits.
as for the lahoti personal telephone conferences,you are free to believe what you need to believe.i don’t give a shit either ways.
people were calling him up, but where did ANYONE say they actually got him to talk and dint just get scolded and cut off?
@ Anju
Anju do you really believe that the SAOL management has not looked onto this site…Balderdash..How do you explain that within 48 hours of Manoj Kumar’s new venture MISTER COLIBURI ib Brazil..where he was on the website listed as some top management guy was removed after it was mentioned by @ OZ on this site..
this is the only site you top panelists and the SAOL management are afraid of and you are saying that that SAOL chances upon this hideous site..OH MY MY..what bull**** you are reeling off..
Use your common sense..sometimes it just seems just to practice your English writing ability you just write whatever comes to your mind..
Acha…are you with the Panelists or with the Co. whom do you represent here??? Watching your write ups here any man with some knowledge of what’s going on here can safely say that you do represent SAOL…and that too without prejudice…LOCK,STOCK and TWO SMOKING BARRELS..get your facts straight before you hit the keyboard next…voila..
Regardless Lahoti is due in court on Monday December 12th so it appears the Committee report has been finalised. -soapbox
lol.
how can any report be finalised without the govt agencies and eow appearing before the committee on the next date as they were ordered to be?
@anju
Thanks, so they didn’t then. That means the SC matter remained between Solomon James 115 panelists, Speak Asia and the authorities. Monday should be very interesting.
No it’s because the TOI didn’t care. If they did they’d have removed the articles.
All the civil matters are adjourned and the EOW are evidently getting closer and closer to the management of Speak Asia left in India with support from the Mumbai High Court (which has been reported). What else is there to report in the meantime?
Again, the 500cr letter was just sent to Star News, and they ignored it.
Believe the Supreme Court website, Lahoti is due back in court on the 12th.
Ask the Supreme Court, they’re the ones that updated the case status yesterday with a new hearing date of the 12th December.
As it stands Lahoti is due in court on Monday 12th December with his report.
With AISPA evidently failing to implead themselves I’m not at all surprised you have no idea.
i am a panelist ,i support aispa and i support the business of saol and hope it restarts soon.
i represent my own personal opinion of all matters related to this case.
i follow this matter with great interest and talk to a lot of people which helps me get info.
when soapbox lies i get pissed and and start practicing my english writing skills.
As it stands Lahoti is due in court on Monday 12th December with his report.-soapbox
from where did you pull that ‘with his report’ part?
why do you always tag some lie to a fact and misguide your own self?
which civil matters have been adjourned,pray tell me?
From the order made on the 14th November that established the Lahoti Committee:
There is no other reason for a new date to be fixed unless Lahoti is ready to submit his report to the court, as per the order.
Reading over it again, I noticed ‘the possibility’. If no second meeting happened perhaps Lahoti has decided that with the charges of MLM fraud, money laundering and tax evasion pending against Speak Asia, that there is no possiblity.
Read the article and stop wasting everybody’s time with your incompetance.
@ Anju
“How do you explain that within 48 hours of Manoj Kumar’s new venture MISTER COLIBURI ib Brazil..where he was on the website listed as some top management guy was removed after it was mentioned by @ OZ on this site..”
You still did not clarify the issue here..kindly enlighten us..
well well now you’ve promoted yourself to thinking what justice lahoti MUST have thought.who can help you?
okay maybe just a little help here .there was no second meeting .the agencies and eow are still to appear before the committee.
hence no report on monday.
the matter is posted for monday means the committee will meet on monday.i think future dates will be decided by justice lahoti, and will not appear on the supreme court website.
back at you.
the three writs of yesterday are all criminal writs and they were postponed because of a high court technicality of the entire board being postponed to monday ,probably because of nonavailability of judges.
in spite of this a special hearing was allowed to the aispa criminal writ seeing it’s urgency .read ashokji’s update and stop misguiding people with your made up stories.
ask soapbox.he knows ALL.
i don’t give a flying shit whether manoj kumar has other business ventures out of india.from the looks of it saol bangladesh should start soon too. great.
You seem to have failed at interpreting ‘perhaps‘.
So why out of the blue on Friday did the court list a Supreme Court hearing date for Monday?
Unless my above ‘perhaps’ is right (or someone can think of another reason…)
The SC lists hearing dates in the court, not mediation dates. As it stands Lahoti is due in court to hand down his report on Monday 12th December. The order makes it very clear they’re not going back to court until the conclusion of the mediation process.
…really, a technicality? That’s what you’re going to go with.
Aaaaaaand it was just insta-postponed till next Wednesday anyway. So it doesn’t really matter.
Like all of Bahirwani’s recent updates, all I see is ‘waffle waffle waffle, jai ho Speak Asia’. Bahirwani hasn’t published anything of use since Crasto was arrested.
It’s funny cuz Kumar is funding these ventures with panelists stolen money…
No it’s because the TOI didn’t care. If they did they’d have removed the articles.-soapbox
the cease and desist letter asked toi to cease and desist from further non factual reports about saol .
it did not demand that previous articles be removed.
duh.the newspapers had already been circulated how do you undo that?
and the letter sent to star news management is part of the defamation suit and not some stand alone piece of paper
go check the high court listings for this case ,just because you’re lazy doesn’t mean the case is not there.
anyway since i attribute very good sense to indians in general
visitors to this site[if there are any] can decide who’s waffling and twaddling.
bye. enough of fighting sheer stupidity for one day.
And they went ahead and published them anyway, thus ignoring Speak Asia’s request.
Speak Asia sent the cease and desist on the 25th Oct. Since then TOI have published stories on Speak Asia on the 2nd of Nov, 16th of Nov, 24th of Nov and the 26th Nov.
They clearly don’t give a crap about Speak Asia’s demands.
You can’t demand payment until you’ve won in court. Speak Asia put a 500cr settlement request out there and Star News ignored them.
I see Anju’s back with the typical bull**** again.
Instead of trying to discredit Oz’s analysis, Anju starts with the typical “all you say is bull****” with no supporting evidence.
Then instead of refuting the conjecture of Lahoti Committee reporting back on 12th already, Anju’s only refutation is “it can’t be, because EOW haven’t admitted defeat in front of Lahoti yet!”
Then Anju tries to derail the conversation into whether SpeakAsia is suing newspapers for defamation, when such suits are meaningless until the SFIO report comes out. Did SAOL even list the instances where it considers the reporting to be untrue? Doubt it. There’s a huge difference between filing a lawsuits or “cease and desist” and actually winning.
When GOVERNMENT files a cease and desist, it’s a bit deal. When an alleged scam (by various Indian government agencies) file a cease and desist against a news outlet reporting such allegations, it’s a joke.
stories on Speak Asia on the 2nd of Nov, 16th of Nov, 24th of Nov and the 26th Nov.-soapbox
saol asked toi to refrain from non factual reports and not from reporting on it [saol cannot possibly make such a demand]
the tone and tenor of hafeez mateen’s reporting was judgmental and full of errors.
toi is free to report about saol, but has since then refrained from ‘colorful’ language and a judgmental approach.they are still making factual errors like getting melvyn’s name wrong but that’s excusable because we know they’re not perfect.
Speak Asia put a 500cr settlement request out there and Star News ignored them.-soapbox
before saol sued star news they wrote to them as a prelude and warned that they were taking them to court and were bringing a 500 crore lawsuit against them.dandekar signed this letter and the letter was followed up with the law suit.
i cant wait for monday ,because YOU are going to unveil justice lahoti’s REPORT on saol.best of luck.
Supreme Court said lets meet back here when the mediation process is done and the SC has set a date for Monday.
Their words, not mine.
Regarding the other stuff, just more distractions so I’m not going to discuss the matter further. TOI & Star News obviously don’t care about Speak Asia’s silly threats.
The main point to take away regarding the letter anyway was that Dandekar is answering to the Speak Asia board, and that’s who the EOW are chasing.
Contrary to beliefs they’re doing nothing, let’s hope there’s more arrests as the EOW investigate their way to the top of this ponzi scheme.
Oz
Leave aside TOI, Money Life and Star News, India-Forums a website doesnt bother removing the posts of users and the owner of India forums Vijay itself on his SpeakAsia post and he had traced everything of SpeakAsia including their crap eZines which Anju wants to sell to panelist.
SpeakAsian Panelist started to visit the india forum and after reading the stuff started to ask uplines and it reached the management. The management to pacify the panelist sent a notice to India Forums and threatened to sue them if they dont remove the post of SpeakAsia.
Vijay the owner of India Forum presented all the proof to his lawyer who replied every proof of their scam to them and after taking that reply, Anju’s SpeakAsia took a nipple in their mouth and never again sent a notice to them.
I nuked Anjus comments, she’s just wasting our time with her crap.
Unless she’s willing to actually bring anything she can substantiate to the discussion, rather then just fly by and spout mountains of rubbish and then run off again like the spoilt bored housewife she is, she can stick to publishing clipart from the 1980s over at Speak Asia Powers to distract the masses.
Everybody else backs up their claims with evidence, high time she did too.
Welcome back, anju.
We have missed you, for sure. 3 days without a sign of life?
We thought you were arrested or something?
Or captured by a competing blog?
etc. etc. etc.
We should appreciate anju.She is alone and you people all are one.
OK.. SAOL is ponzi scheme.They swindled our money and they will not pay back…..(Like all other MLM companies).It is after all our money.NOT YOURS.you have not invested in this then what is your problem? who are you to talk this?
Please don’t play with our emotions.At least we are living with HOPE.Please dont kill that also.
Anju is welcome to join the discussion, but like everyone else she has to substantiate her claims.
‘You’re wrong because I said so’ is not an argument and will not be tolerated. She can go have her daily period somewhere else.
No problem. Speak Asia is a MLM company and this is a MLM blog, why wouldn’t I be interested in the largest MLM fraud in Indian history?
Any hope in a ponzi scheme is already false hope, as the world over this business model has been made illegal for a reason. I’m just analysing what we have infront us, your emotions don’t concern me.
You might not have concern of general Indian public. Before investing nobody comes and tells this is ponzi scheme or.. After investment some body comes tells this is ponzi …. This is cheating…
Nobody tells(even after referring different mlm web sits) this is good and you can try this this…. nobody.. not even exclusive mlm blogs…like yours.
Except that I did tell, back in March, when Speak Asia first came across my desk.
And to date I’ve never invested in Speak Asia or any other ponzi scheme.
If you are concern only for your money or your investment or your earning.Then you are selfish.You don’t have right to speak others problem.
First you question that where is the law suit,
then you say that I am just talking about the letter… Can you take a single stand.
Again once you are satisfied by Anju’s explanation you say.
Just am unable to understand what do you want to say?
http://bombayhighcourt.nic.in/casequery_action.php?auth=bV9zaWRlZmxnPU9TJm1fZmlsX25vPTAxNTA0MDIxOTUyMDExJm1fc3I9UiZtX3NrZXk9UyZtX25vPTIxOTUmbV95cj0yMDExJm1faGM9MDE%3D
Here is the link of defamation case.
As outsiders looking in, we can only observe, report, and analyze, and that is what we did.
If you think you’ve been cheated, you should be helping EOW and CID gather evidence to prosecute the guilty. After all, it is what they do: investigate and then punish the guilty.
Do you also blame the newspapers for making you feel bad?
Does Speak Asia wish to sue the Home Minister next? This news report came out in August 2011.
http://www.indianexpress.com/news/speak-asia-fraud-rs-2-000-crore/825777/
So you blame other people for NOT telling you it’s a scam? When it is YOU that joined it? Don’t blame others for your own mistake. Yes, you were defrauded, so go after the fraudsters, NOT people who told you it’s a fraud.
She is alone because she chose to support SpeakAsia scam with nothing but her wild theories and opinions not backed up by any facts, evidence, or logic. She isolated herself from reality and expect us to conform to her reality. When we show her the evidence, she either ignores it or swings to some other topic and attempts to derail the topic.
So the newspapers cannot write about stories they are not involved in? If so newspapers would not exist. Your logic is flawed.
You had your hope in the wrong place, as you were tricked into giving it. But now you don’t want to ADMIT you were tricked, so you are hostile toward people who said it was a trick (all along). You should be helping the government catch the perpetrators of this scam.
Bye Anju AISPA dear. We had thought that you would cough out some substantial factual news for benefit of public and the gagged panelists who have been suckered. I hope the panelists of Speak Asia have learned an expensive lesson playing in MLMs. Of course that includes me.
Anju, please this is not a crap chat forum to play your bluffing game. Oz, Chang, Kkhosla, Sameer, Sanjeev, etc. are devoting a lot of their time in presenting facts after a lot of time consuming research from the courts and from search on the net.
it hadn’t “gone to court”. it’s in “pre-admission”, which means the courts have a record of this lawsuit being filed. There was no judgment in this case yet.
@das
“We” are not a coherent group of people, with exactly the same opinions and ideas, and cooperating to be against somebody. “We” have probably a lot of different sets of ideas.
And I think anju liked the role of being the ‘lonely defender of Speak Asia’, at least for a while? She has been here for 3 months or so?
‘Lonely defender’ was used in the term ‘not in team with other defenders’ and ‘following own set of ideas’, unlike the standard defence ‘JAI Speak Asia’ and ‘We are bound to win and will definitely win’.
I don’t think people will spend a lot of time and effort if they don’t like what they’re doing. At least they have to like some parts of it. There are some places that can offer something completely different than this site, like ‘motivational speeches’ and a very supportive style for SpeakAsian leaders.
Since I’m not very attracted to ‘motvational speeches’ I haven’t been there very often, but those websites seems too be popular for some people.
That’s what a crazy person would say to a sane person. A crazy person wouldn’t consider him- or herself to be crazy.
Sure there is: by revealing the whole truth. Which you have yet to do. Is that the SpeakAsian way: when there’s doubt, keep it to yourself?
So this ‘silence’ thing was complete speculation on your part, and turns out TOI wasn’t silenced at all. Guess that blows your wild theory out of the water.
Translation: I, Anju, don’t believe the Supreme Court Website’s date, because I didn’t hear any report of EOW and others appear in front of Lahoti.
In other words, this is solely HER OPINION, DESPITE THE FACT (date on court website)
Yep, every one of these points were bull****.
@das
It would have been a lot easier if you had more general hope instead of specific hope related to a specific company.
It isn’t easy for anyone here to support the specific hope that Speak Asia will rise again, and that people will recover all of their money, and that the leaders will fix everything. We simply don’t believe in these ideas, and you can’t blame us for not believing in them, either. There’s too much ‘blind hope’ and too little ‘useful action’ in the ideas.
‘More general hope’ is something like ‘I hope I can use the experience to something useful’, and other such ideas. Most of us are able to believe that experience can be useful for some, depending on how they handle the experience.
@Sanjeev
I’m only going to say this once more regarding the Star News letter, you’ll note the case was filed on the 25/07/2011 and is still in pre-admission, meaning it has not even gone to court once.
Bajpai was arrested on the 29th July, 2011, after which Dandekar was made acting COO. Given that he signed the 500cr demand letter in this capacity, the letter had to have been sent after the 29th July, and after the lawsuit was filed.
The case hasn’t been heard in court, so it was simply Speak Asia fishing for a settlement, which was ignored. With the suit filed, there is no legal need to contact the other party with settlement demands, unless you’re looking for a settlement out of court before anything was heard.
As evidenced by Star News having not paid Speak Asia 500cr, they simply must have laughed and ignored Speak Asia’s demands for money.
This is the final discussion on this topic as it’s irrelevant. The main purpose for bringing it up was the Speak Asia board mentioned that Dandekar was in contact with, as it is believed this is who the EOW are hunting.
All the beloved investors of Speak Asia,
We must post our true feelings about Speak Asia and AISPA on this site. Nothing illegal please.
This is an independent global site and we can be truly free global citizens by participating in the dialogue here.
I have lost a lot of money and hence I curse the management and senior panelists of Speak Asia and AISPA every night and morning. May they suffer 100 times more than we are suffering
Speak Asia Hai Hai
@oz — to be exact, a “cease and desist” is basically “threat to sue”, i.e.
SAOL: You TOI better stop talking trash about us, or we sue you for 500 crore worth of damages!
Which is ignored. TOI called SAOL’s bluff/threat.
So SAOL actually did file the lawsuit, and it’s been languishing in “pre-admission” ever since.
Even if SAOL wins the lawsuit (which it haven’t), it’s unlikely to collect full 500 crore in damages. Thus, “asking for 500 crore in damages” is of little actual meaning.
As long as the “feelings” are backed up by facts and logic they are always welcome, whichever side of the issue you are on.
Oz
In India the court fees payable on filing a monetary claim increases as the claim increases. According to my advocate the maximum amount payable as court fees is Rs. 3.0 lakh. On payment of Rs. 3.0 lakh you can claim Rs. 100 crore, Rs. 200 crore or Rs. 500 crore or even more. The more you claim the more intimidating it looks.
Speak Asia had put up their notice to Times of India on their current website but without a monetary value. I had read on this website that they have sent a notice for Rs. 500 crore to Star News.
Thanks for the clarification. More details such as this that increases understanding of the situation is always welcome.
@Navniit
Unless they asked for the same amount in what they filed in court though, it’s legally toothless and nothing more than a settlement request.
Ie. It’s Speak Asia looking for a quick buck.
@das
I have tried “all my best shots” for more than 2 months now, but they doesn’t seem to work? 🙂
It may seem like you have overestimated our skills here, or underestimated the complexity of the task, or something similar?
Well, actually, I haven’t tried ALL “my best shots”, only those available at the moment, and limited to certain “time and place” issues. There may still be some hope, but it may seem like I’m in the need of some “expert advise” here? 🙂
I am also invested 41000 in speak Asia. But speak Asia announced to refund money to all the panelists who did exit option. but still now I dint get money even thought I did exit option and many of them like me.
I am having all proof which I have invested. now speak Asia uploaded the proof of payment received my some panelists. But I am not happy with proofs it seems like fake.
more over one of the panelists updated the proof and his mobile no to cal any dought about payment I too called he not sure that payment was credited my speak Asia the amount credited with speak Asia its in differed names.
kindly do the needful to get my money and all the panelists please help us. we don’t want news about case matter its waste of time what about exit payment.
as per speak Asia news that company paid test payment around 200 panelists. but only 6 proof what about others so company is trying to cheat true panelists
@balaji
As was predicted and is now obvious, the “exit payment” nonsense was just the latest in a long line of attempts by management to placate the members of the company.
As long as they keep some form of hope alive, those invested will remain subdued and hold ranks. What do you think all the nonsense is on Facebook about unity and sticking together blahblahblah.
At the end of the day the few in management who are sitting on hundreds of millions of dollars overseas aren’t going to give it back willingly. They’re long gone and the Indian authorities don’t seem to be on top of things (or are playing an extremely long game and holding their cards to their chest).
AISPA, Bahirwani, exit options, mediation, court cases… it’s all been a smoke screen from day 1 to put distance behind Manoj Kumar, Harendar Kaur and their Seven Rings buddies.
@OZ
please tell me the solution to get all panelists money. because of speak Asia I suffered lot. I suggested to my friends and family members to join in speak Asia. because of me they also joined now I am the responsible for there money.
I am also took money for interest and invested in speak Asia now 2 years going to complete but still now I am not earned money from speak Asia only I am paying interest for that money. two weeks before only I paid 90 thousand interest.
last week I lost my hope from speak Asia so unnecessary paying interest I decided to sell the jewels and I sold. these every thing because of speak Asia only.
one of my friends due to speak Asia got divorce from his wife not only me and my friend like this more than thousands of people suffered. so please suggest me to get money from company..
Other than suing everybody who remained in SpeakAsia, and/or petition your parliament to push EOW and other investigative agencies into action, there is nothing you can do.
I echo Kasey’s sentiments in regards to getting your money back.
Short of the authorities pulling a miracle it seems highly unlikely. Kumar, Kaur and the rest of the management team aren’t going to hand over anymore than they have to.
I reckon by this stage they’re figuring they’ve already wasted enough panelist money on lawyers trying to get Kumar back into India with his family.
Next step will probably be bribes or some such to smooth everything over and push it under the carpet so he can return quietly.