SC: Writ 383 wont affect Speak Asia investigations
Ever since the Solomon James writ 383 petition was filed late last year, Speak Asia, AISPA and senior panelists have harped on and on about how this one case was supposed to decide everything.
“Don’t worry about anything else, just follow the Supreme Court and they’ll sort everything out” was pretty much the line towed by those running things. Instilled with the confidence that the highest court in India was indeed handling all matters Speak Asia, the company’s panelists all too eagerly swallowed the company line and rallied against critics, the media and the various authorities investigating Speak Asia.
Seemingly out of the blue however, around a fortnight ago Speak Asia’s defacto management team in India, AISPA, started to publicly put forth a new direction. After nearly a year of proclaiming that the Supreme Court would fix everything and ensure Speak Asia a business restart, all of a sudden AISPA were now telling panelists to pretty much ignore all court cases.
Something didn’t add up, and yesterday why the sudden shift in company management policy regarding the subduing of panelists was finally made clear.
On the 21st of March 2012, AISPA told the Mumbai High Court that
the Apex Court has appointed a mediator and the mediator (has) seized the entire case.
This was infact something AISPA had been claiming for a while now and formed one of the cornerstone arguments of both AISPA and Speak Asia’s coordinated launching of court cases to have criminal investigations into Speak Asia quashed.
Giving AISPA the benefit of the doubt and not wanting to possibly rule over the Supreme Court (or interfere with the Supreme Court case if it was indeed dealing with criminal investigations into Speak Asia), the Mumbai High Court ordered a stay on the EOW’s investigation and asked that they “obtain clarification” from the Supreme Court regarding the writ 383 petition and criminal investigations.
In yesterday’s hearing of the writ 383 petition that clarification was made crystal clear with the Supreme Court clarifying once and for all
that (the) pendency of this matter (writ 383) either before the Mediator or before this Court will not hamper with the investigation.
In one statement, any notion that the Supreme Court writ 383 case had anything at all to do with any of the criminal investigations currently open against Speak Asia was shattered.
Naturally in light of this, the pertinent question then is “so what matter is the Supreme Court handling in the writ 383 case”?
To date the only matter discussed publicly in any order of the Supreme Court issued in regards to the writ 383 case has been the payment of owed money to the signed 115 petitioners on the writ itself.
To this end, Speak Asia has deposited 50 crore rupees and (misguidedly) hoped that this small token payment would settle all matters and dispose of the case (along with all other cases and investigations currently open that Speak Asia are involved in).
As per what information has been made public in the Supreme Court orders, while there has been some talk of tax liabilities but it’s unclear as to the status of such matter(s).
In any case, in yesterday’s Supreme Court order also ordered the listing of
all applications along with the main matter on 8th August, 2012 for final disposal.
The order is unclear in regards to the specifics of the applications it is referring to, but the fact that they have slated the case for final disposal come August means it is unlikely that any new matters are going to be taken up.
Thus as far as is publicly known, the scope of the writ 383 case is limited solely to addressing the owed payments to the 115 petitioners and possibly some tax liabilities.
There has been no talk of exit options, business restarts or anything else. Unofficial AISPA spokesperson Anjali has repeatedly made mention of an intervention application AISPA was planning to file (‘aispa has made an intervention application and is standing by for the right time to enter the process‘), but the likelihood any such application would be heard let alone accepted with the case slated for final disposal in the next hearing seems nonexistent now.
Although not clarified by AISPA or Anjali directly, it is believed their intervention order would call on the Supreme Court to make the action of paying off the 115 signed petitioners binding to all panelists who are owed money. Nevermind the fact that Speak Asia simply don’t have a recorded revenue anywhere near the 30,000 cr they currently owe all 1.2 million panelists.
One could make the argument that the request of the list of panelists details by the mediator R.C. Lahoti could indicate he was going to consider what was owed to all panelists, but I believe it’s far more probable that this information is required to be verified by the mediator before any money is ordered paid to the signed 115 petitioners.
The notion that one man would oversee the payments owed to 1.2 million panelists is not at all likely, especially when there has to date been no public mention or acknowledgement by the Supreme Court of any such notion in the nine months since writ 383 begun.
From the looks of it, the EOW have agreed to hand over the required information requested by the mediator (in regards to the 115 petitioners) on the assurance that this action ‘will not hamper’ their investigation.
After validation and confirmation by the mediator, the case then will go back to court in August and the issue of payment to the 115 signed petitioners will then be resolved. As I mentioned earlier, some tax liability issues might be included for resolve on this date but this remains unclear per the court’s orders.
That’s pretty much where we’re at regarding the writ 383 case and longtime readers will note two things – the writ 383 case has not (now or ever) had anything to do with criminal proceedings and investigation into Speak Asia, business restarts or exit options.
I myself had called out the Lahoti mediation committee’s uselessness back in November of last year and it appears that, as far as payments to all panelists and addressing criminal liabilities goes – that was entirely accurate.
Yesterday’s order was of course great news to the 115 signed petitioners, who for once appear to now have an end date in their sights, but for everyone else the lies they’ve been fed by Speak Asia and AISPA have only now been officially exposed for what they are.
With Speak Asia and AISPA both employing high-priced legal teams (paid for with panelist’s money), I suspect they saw the writing on the wall before yesterday’s Supreme Court order and as such have launched a petition signing campaign tomorrow on Saturday the 11th May.
The fact that Speak Asia, through AISPA are now openly calling on panelists to ignore any and all court cases only drives home the point that neither party can pretend or mislead people as to the scope of writ 383, nor the fact that their major arguments in all investigation and FIR quashing cases that the Supreme Court is handling everything, has been finally blown out of the water by no less than the Supreme Court itself.
As such, from what I gather come tomorrow those still willing to blindly follow Speak Asia’s management through AISPA will meet up, sign a petition with a list of demands to be made to Indian authorities (an admission in itself that they cannot stop police investigations into Speak Asia by wasting everybody’s time in court), and the placing of stickers on cars as some sort of coordinated protest effort.
With the Supreme Court clearing the way for criminal investigations into Speak Asia to continue, no doubt any such demands from Speak Asia’s management regarding the dropping of investigations will have trouble finding an audience.
Looking forward, all eyes will now no doubt turn to the next hearing of AISPA’s writ 3611 in the Mumbai High Court that is next due for hearing on the 28th June. With the EOW having received concrete clarification that the Supreme Court writ 383 case has no impact on any criminal investigation, one would imagine the High Court will remove the stay in place on the EOW’s investigation, along with the stay on arrests in connection to the case.
Before the High Court placed a stay on the investigation, the EOW were poised to arrest Bahirwani, presumably on suspicion of working in co-ordination with Speak Asia’s fugitive management in hiding and effectively serving as local defacto management for the company.
Once the High Court removes the stay on the EOW’s investigation, it’ll be interesting to see if the true relationship between AISPA, Bahirwani and Speak Asia will finally be revealed.
Last time Bahirwani caught wind of his pending arrest he fled and went on the run from authorities for nearly two months before his lawyers made the argument in court that the Supreme Court was “handling” the EOW’s case. With that argument now thrown out of the window by the Supreme Court it’ll be interesting to see what happens now.
I had considered that the EOW might resume their investigation taking a cue from the Supreme Court, but going over the High Court’s order it appears they do have to report back to the High Court first before getting back to their investigation. If I was the EOW I’d be gunning for a pre-poning of the writ 3611 case but I suppose short of Bahirwani fleeing again before June 28th there’s not all that much for them to worry about.
One final aspect to consider is also how the Supreme Court’s clarification might affect other cases involving the quashing of FIRs and criminal investigations. Most notably Speak Asia have launched a case against the CID in the Supreme Court and no doubt they were using much of the same argument(s) that AISPA were. Arguments that now hold little weight.
The Speak Asia vs. CID case is due back in court on the 2nd of July so we’ll have to wait and see what happens there.
In the meantime those that have been cheated, Speak Asia’s panelists, could accept the hard reality that this entire legal charade has been nothing more than an exercise with no other goal than to secure the legal absolution of company management for running the largest Ponzi scheme in Indian history, or give some blood tomorrow (a worthy action in itself) and sign petitions demanding India legalize Ponzi schemes immediately and permit Speak Asia to restart business operations.
Best of luck guys.
We have said so many times that AISPA is useless. It’s totally useless for panelists but it has proven very helpful to speakasia management. Everyone has observed that from whole last years AISPA has done nothing but posting useless and uninformative updates.
AISPA concentrated all its efforts to publish useless news, unfruitful activates (with respect to panelists) and defending speakasia instead of actually pursuing the company for exit option or restart of its business.
Most of the AISPA updates are personal opinions of Ashok Bahirwani. If AISPA is an association of all the panelists they should have listened to queries and suggestions from their members. But as we already know they don’t have any mechanism to relate their membership with speakasia panelists.
I strongly suggest that Bahirwani should be arrested by authorities because he deliberately published the court matters in misguiding and twisted form. You may have right to express your personal opinion but that doesn’t apply to Bahirwani. He is the secretary of an organization which claims to represent 1.2M+ people.
He published so many misguiding updates (about court matters, exit option, company activities) besides knowing that this will eventually affect the livelihood of so many people. He prevented panelists from knowing the actual information they have right to know.
AISPA never filed intervention application in the matter WP 383 because this would have revealed their stand legally with respect to speakasia. All claims of AISPA regarding to WP 383 are proved false now. WP 383 was only for 115 petitioners not for all speakasia panelists, AISPA has never prepared or filed any intervention application in this matter, and much more …
may be similar thing will happen as AP CID case
As far as restart operations speakasia is concerned it will never happen.
Reasons:
1) Speakasia owner is an unknown entity (Who owns Podium rings and what is their prime business?)
2) Whatever business model was used or proposed was rendered useless by selling/purchasing multiple panels by speakasia/panelists
3) Spekasia was never registered – though it can be registered in 6 months
4) Several of Seven rings members are employees of speakasia( I counted 4 Manoj Kumar, Rajiv Mehrotra, Kunal Pathak and Rahul Shah) and AISPA is using same law firm as Seven rings law firm
5) Speakasia have denied its operation in Bangladesh stating the government of Bangladesh is not allowing it to restart its operation and not allowing to pay its panelists. Sound familiar isn’t it?
I have filed Intervention Application no. 9 in CWP 383/2011 for being impleaded as a respondent. I have not prayed for money to be paid to me. I have sought to assist the Supreme Court and reveal the facts regarding the full working of Speak Asia since 17.02.2010. I have a cupboard dedicated to documents related to Speak Asia – even the copies of many surveys downloaded by me.
I have filed Intervention Application no. 12 in CWP 383/2011 as power of attorney for another investor who has lost more than Rs. 4,50,000/- in the fraudulent survey scheme of Speak Asia. Here also I have prayed for being impleaded as a respondent and have not prayed for money to be paid to me. I have sought to assist the Supreme Court and reveal the facts regarding the full working of Speak Asia since 17.02.2010.
On 10.05.2012 it was very difficult to speak let alone reveal the facts when there is not a voice of support from 25 advocates and senior advocates in support of clarifying the correct facts. Only strident voices on why I should not be impleaded. On my submission and urging the Hon’ble Bench clarified that the investigations and CWP 383/2011 have no connection and there is no bar to investigations continuing.
The advocates for Speak Asia, etc say that I have received my money and hence I should not be impleaded. They also say that I should not be permitted to appear as Power of Attorney for another investor in the Supreme Court.
Like me no other parties have been impleaded on 10.05.2012.
The petitioners and so called respondents Speak Asia and Haren Ventures in CWP 383/2011 have submitted falsely regarding facts to the Supreme Court. The question is whether they can be prosecuted for contempt of Court for these false submissions on affidavit. If yes, then the matter may be heard by the Supreme Court well before 08.08.2011.
Some senior advocates may need to reschedule their summer holidays abroad for defending the indefensible!
For the investors in Maharashtra the Bombay High Court will be the correct place to go to for the recovery of the investments in the fraudulent survey scheme of Speak Asia.
Which brings up an interesting question: does the concept of “amicus curiae” exist in Indian court system?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amicus_curiae
Because, if Kkhosla is no longer a party, then he is NOT an “intervener”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intervention_(law)
But instead he can file amicus brief to show the court additional information, which is what he’s trying to do any way.
That would get around SAOL / AISPA’s attempt to block his intervention order.
Lawyers have some protection in their role in acting on behalf of a client, not on behalf of themselves. It means that some “lies” will be legal. Other than that I don’t know the rules they will have to follow. We have linked to “Rules for Professional Conduct” when we discussed Abdi’s role as lawyer for AISPA, but I didn’t check other rules than “concurrent conflict of interest”.
As an example, the new business plan isn’t illegal to present in court in a case like Writ 383. The case is about Fundamental Rights, so the new business plan isn’t presented as “evidence” for something. It would have been more misleading if the new businesss plan had been presented as evidence in a criminal case, as evidence for Speak Asia being a perfectly legal business.
Here is some thing to ponder. Someone on SpeakAsian powers facebook page found a descrepancy.
There was a official update from SpeakAsia Marketing today which appeared first on http://www.speakindiaonline.com and not on http://speakasiaonlinemarketing.blogspot.in/ which is the official blog of speakasia as they say.
The person on facebook is asking whether these are really geniune updates? How can company provide a non official site speakindiaonline a update one hour before releasing it on their official blog page.
The speakasia marketing blog posted that update a full hour after the update came on Speakindiaonline.
It puts a question mark as who is running the speak asia marketing blog which never has any name on the letterheads and instead posts by signing SpeakAsia Corporate Marketing team.
@Sameer
Might be something but I can’t work out what timezone speakindiaonline is on. The Blogspot blog is running US Mountain time (-7:00), if speakindiaonline.com is running on the same timezone then it’s pretty suspicious.
Update: It appears speakindiaonline is using Indian Standard Time. If you check the ‘latest activity feed’ off the main page and then look at the timestamps on some of the status updates, you can confirm this yourself. IST is +5:30 so the timing doesn’t appear to be anything.
Sidenote: I just realised I forgot to link to yesterday’s SC order in the article itself, fixed now.
Hi Oz,
That timezone is not the case it is the panelist who have seen the update first on speakindiaonline then they checked on speakasiamarketing blog the update was not there.
The update came a hour later on speakasia marketing. This is being discussed by some panelist in powers page.
Well there is a thought to your finding oz there is big time difference between the 2 servers, maybe difference of -7 and +5.30 hours strangely enuf the updates r showing todays date both with pm as timings meaning not the difference of -7 or +5.30.
@Sameer
This is also something suspicious in the update
Unofficially of course we know that Speak Asia just funneled the money through AISPA, but in regards to that wording am I missing something?
They outright state they paid him off thinking this would somehow kill off all investigations into the company but again we already knew that too.
This update has caused lot of damage as panelist were told an update related to restart of business is coming. Due SC order of 10th May the update doesnt mention of any restart.
On 27 April there was a update on the speakasia mktg blog which asked the panelist to keep their name proof, residence proof and bank account details ready as they are planning a restart after reading yesterdays update there are negative reactions even from some loyal speakasians.
@Sameer — No surprise, really. You can only “cry wolf” so many times before people stop listening and start thinking for themselves.
I don’t get why they’d be upset over those specific points, the Supreme Court has never made public mention of business restarts or exit options.
The only people who have gone on and on about these two points are Ashok Bahirwani at AISPA and Anju/Anjali on here.
Given that the “official” blog is credited to an anonymous marketing team, guess who’s been publishing updates there and misleading everyone…
I wonder if EOW has subpoenaed the server logs and see if the same people are updating them? 🙂
Today AISPA started its blood donation camp in association with Red Cross.
The strange thing is they are counting numbers as how many are coming out.
Although there is not a huge nos out there unlike a year back, its like maybe 1000 to 2000 might come out.
I think this blood dnonation camp is a strategy to find out how many are with them or maybe trying to find out how many are member panelist have remain active.
I have a 100% doubt this is a numbers finding trick, but dont know for what reason.
The blood donation is just to coax people to come out and sign AISPA’s list of demands.
If they just held a signature rally nobody would turn up… well, except for the senior panelists. By adding a blood drive they can make people feel guilty for not rocking up and signing their petition. Blood donation afterall is a worthwhile cause.
And can even atract people who have never been panelists.
It’s no different than a convention, except in a more “socially beneficial” context. They can’t sign up anybody, but they can get “petitions” signed by people they may be able to sway without telling them the whole truth.
Blood donations is OK, as long as they don’t go any further when it comes to donations “in naturalia”. 🙂
… then I would say “Perfect timing”
@Sameer
I have only exposed the false claims made in Judicial proceedings in various Courts in Mumbai as well as the Bombay High Court by Speak Asia and its controlling group .
I have also appeared in the Supreme Court in CWP 383/2011 and have gone for the mediation proceedings before Hon’ble Mr. Justice Lahoti though I was not permitted to participate as the mediation proceedings are only for the parties in CWP 383/2011.
I have maintained a consistent stand that people invested money only in the survey scheme of Speak Asia to earn money by filling surveys. Most people, unlike me, also earned binary income by getting fresh investors for the survey scheme of Speak Asia. I do not think that anyone joined for reading e-zines for being better informed.
I produced the copy of the Board resolution of Speak Asia authorizing Ashish Dandekar to sign the vakalatnama for appointing an advocate to file a claim for Rs. 500 crore (Yes five hundred crore rupees) for damages against Star TV. Dandekar’s bail application was rejected and he spent a considerable amount of time in jail.
The bank accounts of Dipankar Sarkar and Rajesh Enterprises were attached by the EOW and then I applied for repayment of my company’s investment in Speak Asia in the Court of the ACMM, Mumbai. I continued to expose the false submissions of Speak Asia, its employees and associates in various courts.
I was paid our investment only on 15.03.2012 and then I have not appeared in any local court. I have gone to the Supreme Court and for the Lahoti Committee meeting in New Delhi.
I suffered for more than a full year as i had fight the company for receipts and invoices for the investment in the survey scheme made through account payee cheques.
I have an urge to help other investors as well as expose the false submissions in Courts. Doing this will help ease the pain and anger within me for the pain, agony and torture suffered by me at the hands of my upline, management and promoters of Speak Asia.
On behindmlm.com I had offered to guide investors recover their investments. I have accepted to be the power of attorney for one such investor and have filed Intervention Application no. 12 on his behalf in the Supreme Court. It was listed on 10.05.2012.
I am filing his application in the Bombay High Court this week for urgent hearing before the vacation Judge. I am sure Speak Asia will arrange to pay him promptly. Or else they will suffer the consequences.
Broadly there are three kinds of investors in Speak Asia:
1. Those who have made huge profits and are now collaborating to save the company and themselves.
2. Those who have recovered their investment and want to forget the whole episode as a bad dream.
3. Those who have lost their investment and feel cheated.
Circumstances guide the actions of humans. It is very easy to judge the status of any investor from his conduct. Of course there are those who are perceived to be currently being paid by Speak Asia and hence vehemently defending it.
Anybody who wants his money back will have to fight. CWP 383/2011 may be the answer only for those who are the petitioners therein and not everyone.
My sense tells me that Speak Asia may be liable for taxes which may be more than the USD 10 million – Rs. 50 crore – now lying with the registry of the Supreme Court. If my sense is correct then who will be paid is a question mark!
@Navniit Kkhosla
Your first quote is from Andy (not Sameer). Andy is pointing out what he finds suspicious in some forum updates, “despite AISPA members handling his claims and his affidavit”. He probably means SAOL paid for the settlement or something like that.
WHERE the money came from is only “technical details”, and it’s not very important whether the money was collected from AISPA members or was paid from Manoj Kumar through the lawyer. The comment wasn’t about your involvement, but about what he finds to be a “suspicious description” about how the settlement was handled.
If you can give some examples, I can try to check them against “Rules of Professional Conduct” from a neutral viewpoint. “Neutral” means I will not look specifically for rules that *CAN* be used, instead I will see it from a wider perspective.
FOCUS ON THE CASE, NOT IT’S ACTORS OR WHAT THEY DO
Judges and lawyers are some kind of “actors” in the court system. They are not representing themselves, but the specific role they have in the court system. It means they also have lots of protection against being sued for something related to their professional role in court.
As a general rule, people should focus on the case itself and not the actors in the court system. It means if an actor in the court system has provided misleading facts, you should focus on bringing the correct facts rather than focusing on the misleading ones. This is the professional rule of conduct when YOU are one of the actors in the court system, when you’re a party in a case or in any other roles.
It means that misleading facts should be met by the correct ones, not by filing a complaint against the actor who presented the misleading facts. The focus should be on the case itself instead of it’s actors. The court itself should be able to decide whether or not someone have acted wrongfully in a case (without any complaints).
I have followed this same “professional rules of conduct” when it comes to Mr. Abdi representing both AISPA and Manoj Kumar’s companies, two clients with possibly conflicting interests in the same case. I have only asked him to clarify the situation.
@M_Norway
This was written on speakasia official blog.
Some sticky questions are being asked on Facebook at the moment as feeling good about donating blood wears off and panelists realise it has nothing to do with Speak Asia:
Bahirwani’s absence from the public eye since a few days before the whole blood donation fiasco has also been quietly observed.
Oz, some are even asking sensible questions now, as who is posting update on the blog, what is his name or position?
These people are being mislead again by some who say 8 Aug is final date, but are not mentioning that the writ covers only 115 panelist and no one else.
The AISPA blood donation drive was a flop as the large numbers they expected did not turn up. Media reporting was covered in small time newspapers as you can see on their pages.
Aman Azad is claming they hav stay on arrests in all except one case filed by shyam sunder of corporate fraud watch in andhra pradesh.
Should he also not post that supreme court has cleared they way for investigation and these stays might get vacated soon.
Wat i hear is there were around 140 panelist who were hand in glove with management. They were first joinees and they knew this was MLM. They earned crores of Rupees by getting huge downlines.
Once Star News & other media blew their lid and investigations began, these senior panelist tried to save themselves by saying they are victims, some reached supreme court and others started AISPA.
As of now some downlines have began threatning that if business does not restart in May they will file FIRs, as they feel the 27th April uodate of restarting and later update after supreme court verdict are misleading.
What these panelist dont understand is restart of business does not mean payments of their survey income.
What was that saying? “In the land of the blind, one-eyed man is king.” Looks like the one-eyed man is pretending to have an eye all along, doesn’t it?
The only part that’s surprising is it took THIS LONG for the panelists to wake up. It is as if they WANT to be lead like sheep.
I have had some personal disagreements with Shyam Sundar on his blog as I don’t agree with his extreme position, but I do agree with his anti-scam stance and admire his willingness to file FIRs and such to do what he believes will help stamp out fraud.
AISPA update has come out. 1800 SpeakAsians across the country donated blood.
But OZ was right they have managed 4000 Signatures for petition, I assume on pretext of blood campaign they might have taken signatures of strangers without them knowing SpeakAsia was running a ponzi scheme.
There is desperation in the update telling panelist company has deposited money in SC, shows their intention of paying exit optoners and business restart.
Lol, Mr Bahirwani what about Survey Income of Panelist, can you ever Speak for benefit of Panelist?
Aman Azad has been given task of capturing screenshots of SC petition which is pending to stop investigation and arrests in the Andhra cases.
He is doing this cause people on powers page are asking where is the management, why are they not coming forward and clarifying things. So posting screenshots means they are doing things in background.
I think the panelist are allowing themselves to be fooled royally. A example being recent posts on Powers Page saying company is concentrating on restart and comparing with vodafone that vodafone is working even though there is a case in SC going against them.
What that fool who posted forgets that Vodafone did not take money from people to run their business and neither vodafone bosses or management ran away in hiding. They are here facing the court and their own staff, compare this with SpeakAsia.
I think Vodafone should sue them for comparing them with a fraud company whose bosses are in hiding.
It seems Aman Azad and Bahirwani have realised panelist might be thinking of their involvement with management of SpeakAsia. So to clear all that Aman Azad posted a long story in hindi language on powers page sayin how he was confused in May last year when things went wrong & downlines harassed him & he decided to find truth & went to court on hearing & met bahirwani one day in court n became friends and etc etc and having lost all savings in this SpeakAsia & Aispa work and how he and Bahirwani had to remain away from home in hiding for 46 days.
This is all that is there emotional stuff to say hey i am not involved in the management and have not earned $$$.
If these people are HONEST, then why they have never said that Yes SpeakAsia should not have done business without registeration, without bank accounts, should not have transfered funds illegally for which they will be charged, yes speakasia bosses should not have run away and should not have hidden in 5 star hotels.
If Bahirwanis and Azad are honest they should have said this long time back, if at all they were/are thiking of welfare of panelist survey income.
The problem here is one of skepticism.
When a person said something, you have to evaluate what they said, and see if there is proof for that. The only place you do NOT ask for proof is religion, and let’s NOT go there.
When Bahirwani (or anybody else) say something, there’s always a conclusion. Skeptics always ask TWO questions.
1) Does the OTHER PARTS of his speech support his conclusion?
2) are there OTHER CONCLUSIONS that can be supported by the SAME PARTS?
Take the above example:
Conclusion: “Company wants to restart and pay exit option people.”
Support: “Company has deposited 50 crore.”
Q1: Does supporting evidence actually support conclusion? In this case, the answer is yes.
However, most people never bother ask the second question
Q2: Is there an alternative conclusion that the evidence supports? In this case, the answer is “Because the Supreme Court says SAOL have to.”
Both conclusions are supported by the “evidence”, thus both are equally valid. To “prove” whether one is more valid than the other, you need additional evidence.
It is standard propaganda technique to NOT present alternate explanations and proclaim YOUR explanation is the only one that counts. It is easily dispelled with skepticism, something the followers of SAOL seems to lack.
@Sameer
4000 out of 1.2 million is representation of 0.3% of panelists. And on this basis AISPA are telling the Indian judiciary and public that they represent
Speak Asia managementall panelists.Regarding the Aman Azad sob story, I find it amusing that they use emotion to appeal to their supporters when one of their consistent tag lines has been ‘look how the media/blogs/eow/courts are playing with the emotions of 1.2 lakh panelists!‘
Such hypocrisy.
It can also have been a voluntarily solution in paying the 50 crore Rs. It has been used as an argument for how willing the company is to pay, and that problems related to payments should be blamed the government rather than Speak Asia.
From my viewpoint, paying the 50 crore is only part of a strategy, so I’ll guess it was a voluntarily solution initiated by Speak Asia itself via the mediation (or by filing an affidavit in SC, offering the solution).
The strategy is to keep people on the hook for as long as they can. To be able to do that, they will have to show up some progress from time to time, anything that looks like progress. 50 crore Rs ($10 million USD) is a relatively cheap investment.
A court will normally not ask for a solution like that, so it has probably been inititated by Speak Asia itself.
More confusions.
Today speakasia site was fully up and running and panelist were very happy but there was a warning from AISPA since morning that not to login and do anything and wait for companys updates.
And by evening company provides a update on speakasia marketing blog.
And date on letter head is of 10/05/2012.
This date has caused doubts in minds of panelists, some questioning whether this is indeed a genuine blog and who is operating the blog?, some others posting if speakasia is a big company why are they using a free blog for commynication, when they could have bought a new domain and used a new site for communication.
@Sameer
They have also provided a wrong address of their blog. But it will be changed after some time.
I am missing Anju and her comments after these outcomes… LOL
Lol riyfkm
After reading your comment she might come out with some new positives.
Some panelist on power page have started to put questions about the whole thing asking where is Manoj Kumar and Haren Kaur and where is the management?. Even questioning that no one from company complimented panelist for blood donation.
The replies were very funny telling users not to ask such questions else they will be termed as anti speakasians.
Others were commenting they were taken for a ride by AISPA updates and blog updates.
And Aman Azad in less then 2 days again went posting links to all cases saying these are positives like Mumbai High Court putting a stay on investigations. Infact Aman Azad even posted that SpeakAsia has not done any fraud but fraud has been done to SpeakAsia.
Thats the funniest statement i have come across till now.
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Bahirwani’s latest 22nd May update is quite amusing. Full of the usual ‘wait and see, wait and see’ rhetoric he mentions that AISPA are considering putting their silly petition online, hinting that they didn’t get anywhere near the amount of signatures they thought they would.
There was one part of the update that was interesting though as it brought up a series of questions that, if answered honestly and truthfully by AISPA and Bahirwani would be infinitely more useful to panelists than any blood drive or silly petitions demanding that ponzi schemes be made legal in India:
Bahirwani’s answer to these pertinent questions being asked by noneother than concerned panelists who suspect they are being led down the garden path?
Not only will AISPA claim to reprsent you by default and with no input from yourself, but they’ll also tell you what you can and can ask all the while dictating your best interests to you as well.
Oh and anyone who disagrees with that obviously has a “sick mind”.
No worries!
It’s known as “flipping the question”. Instead of answering the question, he answered the question with another question (combined with mockery/ridicule AND questioning motives of the questioner). It’s a common derailing attempt.
Ashok Bahirwani has posted on Powers Group on Facebook today:
It looks like a post from a junior level employee of Speak Asia, not from Secretary of AISPA which claims to represent interests of 20 lakh panelists of Speak Asia.
Instead of meekly telling CEO Tarak Bajpai “It doesn’t matter where you are or what you are doing”, AISPA’s Secretary should be asking tough questions on total disappearance of Speak Asia promoters and employees since last one year, lack of transparency in Exit Policy, time bound action plan and actual progress till now on steps to be taken for compliance with statutory regulations and restarting the operations.
There are ridiculous assumptions presented by admins of powers group. Here is Sanjeev Khanna‘s assumption:
When in this world did 383 become a writ for opening payment gateway?
The writ is purely for payment of 114 panelist and since RBI and IT department have been involved the fines/dues imposed will also be considered.
As far as i know Justice Lahoti has been informed by other departments that speakasia was only doing recruitment business but his job is limited to disbursing payments to 114 panelist and dues to other departments as presented by the respevtive departments.
The court has clearly clarifed in last order of 10 may that there is going to be no interference of the committe or the court in investigations, that means even after the final judgement investigations might continue.
The EOW should simply present one fact that both the bosses of SpeakAsia ie Haren Kaur and Manoj Kumar are not available for investigations and they need them for investigations to be complete. This might prompt the court to issue summons and if then they dont turn up they might be proclaimed absconders and thats when these panelist will realise they were part of MLM recruitment business which use to call itself Asia‘s biggest survey group and overnight changed their website and business to Consumer Empowerment removing the words asia‘s biggest survey group.
A company which never had those clients which they including Tarak Bajpai who use to claim in his seminars like Tata, ICICI etc., should any government even allow registeration of such a company with links to all shady companies involved in illegal money transfers abroad?
It is for making payments only. The only if and but in this Case is whether all the panelists will get paid or only 115 petitioners.
As per our view all the panelists will be paid but your understanding says it is only for 115 panelists. Let’s keep our fingers crossed. See who wins from SC at the end.
@Sanjeev
To date the Supreme Court has only mentioned ‘the petitioners’ in reference to paymnents of any kind.
There are 115 petitioners in total.
Ok. Let’s Wait and see..
IF the company is so much dying to pay the people why cant it just transfer the ammount to its CEO & transfer it to the people from CEo’s account or some one else? LOL there is no ban on transferring from that country to india.
The lawyers are also getting paid in full right. Its a joke that somebody wants to pay & but cant pay , there should be several ways .
@Amit — the company can put up far more than the 50 crore the court had requested it to. CID have tracked at least a few hundred crore leaving the country (transferred BECAUSE their lawyer managed to convince a judge to block the EOW account freeze).
Why would they EVER transfer the money back? They rather pay the lawyers to delay things (and maybe a few agitators in India to keep things focuses on other things).
Sanjeev, why dont you post a sensible query to Ashok Bahirwani and that is:
If Ashok Bahirwani is working for benefit of the panelist and not speakasia, then why did he secretary of AISPA did not go to Supreme Court and intervene about payment to all panelist for their survey income?
He did give a carrot to all panelist once along with Manoj Kumar‘s friend Melwyn Crasto. If you have forgotten here is the exact statement of Melwyn Crasto in interview while with Bahirwani and Seven Rings and Manoj Kumars lawyer.
If you want source here it is and this was Feb 2012 – http://speakasiaonline.mobi/2012/05/08/20-important-questions-answered-very-nicely-by-sr-counsel-mr-ahmad-abdi/
Here is another Aispa feb 11 update:
Now why dont you ask Bahirwani that when Supreme Court has announced final date for hearing as 8th August, which means payment for the 115 panelisr then in between the hearings from Feb to May why did AISPA who sucked the remaining blood of the panelist did not intervene in Supreme Court?
And now when SC will decide on payment of 115 panelist Bahirwani and AISPA are saying oh pls dont look at that supreme court case look at restart.
Does Ashok Bahirwani and his AISPA work for benefit of Panelist or behind the scenes for speakasia bosses?
They gave you guys a carrot in Feb that they will intervene and now are saying forget that case lets do restart of business.
Do you have the guts to post this question to Ashok Bahirwani, Melwyn Crasto and AISPA, That does their restart of saol business mean payment of all survey income RPs or is it a completely new carrot of new business model without any survey income payments.
If Bahirwani says only SAOL management can guarantee payments to all panelist he can only pray and work for early restart then you can ask him that why then he did not use AISPA to intervene in Supreme Court as that would have guaranteed payments, right?
I dont know how panelist forget his earlier carrots and how many more he will give in future.
@M_Norway
What do you think? Is it possible for someone to take legal actions against Bahirwani?
Here is a document that shows speakasia claiming refunds on paid tax. But as you can see speakasiaonline pvt ltd is never used. So you can say speakasia never collected money from India.
http://www.cbec.gov.in/refund-rebate/03/mumbai1-cx-0312.xls
@ Andy
Congrats for this excellent piece of investigative reporting. It is surprising that the identically same Sales tax amount of Rs 52.54 crore each is claimed on the same day as refund by both Kritanz Management and Haren Ventures.
EOW should impound any such amount(s) as and when refunded by Sales Tax Department as these amounts belong to unpaid panelists.
@ Navniit Kkhosla
You may make an Aplication to the Supreme Court, seeking Court Order for attachment of all amounts for the benefit of the panelists as and when such amounts are refunded to Kritanz Management & Allied Services and Haren Ventures Pvt. Ltd.
IMHO, it is legal to lie. It is ILLEGAL to lie for financial gain. That is fraud.
Unless you can prove Bahirwani (or persons related to him) is/are compensated for his “lies” the lawsuit will not succeed.
@Andy
I have been busy in personal work. Will do the needful after going the link sent by you.
Thanks
It appears that the Service Tax refund of total amount of Rs 105.08 crore is being claimed by Kritanz Management and Haren Ventures Pvt. Ltd. as the amounts collected by several franchisees were frozen by authorities before they could be remitted to the ultimate beneficiaries.
Following conclusions emerge from this:
1. Speak Asia scamsters are trying to quietly collect this amount of Rs 105.08 crore and then siphon it away. Actually, they had hoped to collect this amount after implementaion of Court Order in Supreme Court Case No. 383. But Supreme Court case has got delayed and now Petitioners will seek attachment of this amount for the benefit of the unpaid panelists.
2. Speak Asia has no plans to restart its operations in India as it has neither will nor capacity to pay dues of Rs 30,000 crore to the panelists.
3. Panelists’ unrest will slowly escalate as they start understanding the reality. Panelists will agitate to force the Central Govt. to extradite Harender Kaur and Manoj Kumar.
4. AISPA will slowly wind up its activites and die a natural death. Just like Speak Asia Promoters and employees, AISPA’s Ashok Bahirwani and Mellwyn will also disappear from the scene in order to avoid being caught as associates of Speak Asia scamsters to be prosecuted by investigative agencies.
Interesting “end run” to get around the asset freeze… Only proves that all of the companies are linked, so it’s now a CONSPIRACY TO COMMIT FRAUD, isn’t it?
One more person from speakasia involved in many scams and linked with BVI
Country Co-ordinator for speakasiaonline.com.
Name: Pankaj L Shah(Pankaj Laxmichand Shah)
Email: plshah@speakasiaonline.com, plshah@vsnl.com
http://twitter.com/#!/plshah
http://www.direct-marketing-association-india.org/our_managing_board.asp
More websites and scams
Pankaj L Shah is a colourful man with split personality, a real Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde. Outwardly, he lives a respectable life as Director of Direct Marketing Association India. But in reality, he operates as mentor and associate of several Ponzy pyramid schemes.
Being a close friend of Manoj Kumar, Pankaj was associated with Speak Asia during May-October, 2010 as Country Coordinator, precedessor of COE Tarak Bajpai.
In October 2010, Pankaj got scared that Speak Asia pyramid scheme was about to collapse so he resigned and left Speak Asia. Had he continued with Speak Asia, he would have landed in jail, instead of Tarak Bajpai.
Slightly off-topic: Any Indians know if “Elite Travel” is linked to a MLM or MLM-related people? TVI Express quietly closed their Indian offices (sometime in February 2012) and switched to Elite travel as their office, then I heard (unconfirmed) that Elite Travel also closed down recently.
(Continue this topic in the TVI Express topic please)
Interesting 3 page article in the Economic Times which sums up the current limbo situation for anyone who isn’t one of the 115 signed writ 383 petitioners nicely:
So many people were sold on the ‘just do surveys’ model and had no idea about the recruitment component of the business model, as evidenced by the multitude of merry-go-round conversations we had on here back in the early days.
This person from AISPA is also a Speakaisa distributer. He owns two companies (1) Venus Multilinks (2) Assure Multitrade Pvt. Ltd.
Assure Multitrade Pvt. Ltd. was an MLM also looks like a swindle.
http://www.direct-marketing-association-india.org/NM_article0909.pdf
http://www.atcr.biz – later it was known as aryaruptourism.com – Aryarup Tourism & Club resorts Pvt. Ltd.
Some people joined as senior panelists are involved in more than one scam run by the same group of people. If you have lost money in such scheme will you join another scheme running by same group of people?
I don’t believe that senior level panelists didn’t know that Seven rings was involved with Speakasia scam before joining.
Another Member of AISPA
Mr. Abhishek Mishra : Sensei From Kanpur – speakabhishek512@gmail.com, 9336122092
More people involved at top level
api.ning.com/files/xbdJl62Dl1t…/SPEAK_ASIA_WhitePaper.doc – author of this document is PAL (Which Pal)
The first list is the same as the one that was posted on speakasiaonline.mobi, and was hastily removed by the admin there. I have made a couple of comments about it.
i have been reading all the comments very carefully here..SAOL strategy is simple..whenever the panel is down, give them a carrot in the form of AISPA updates or by calls from respective regional managers…
Over the period of time, SAOL has realized AISPA is doing better job in diverting attentions than the RM..
What most of you people dont know the inside story is most of the managers have been sacked and now they planning to file cases against the company, tarak and also planning to sue the company!!!
That much has been easy to deduce for some time now.
I’ll believe it when I see it.
“Diverting attention” was the correct expression. They make people focus on SAOL rather than where their money has ended up (Seven Rings, and so on). I have mentioned that as the main strategy several times.
I know nothing about the inside story in the company, but I’m not surprised if some of the previous leaders have a feeling of being cheated. Or a feeling of being placed in a position where they will share a part of the blame, while others will go free.
if navnit khosla is here, please share ur mail id..will share something which can be helpful for u..
He posted it earlier, a Gmail address. I’m sure you can find it with that Google search box on the upper right.
@ s k
Navniit Kkhosla’s Email ID is speakasiainvestors@gmail.com and his mobile phone no. is 08652154000.
There is no harm in also sharing relevant inside information about Speak Asia with BEHINDMLM readers. Your identity will not be revealed.
@observer
thanks a lot guys!!will contact navnith and discuss things with him…i can share things here, but dont want as these are original proofs from employee of the company and how they were cheated!!!
how the ill gotten money of SAOL has entered into coal mines of Indonesia…how they formed shell companies and diverted money from british virgin islands and did the conversion of money for Russian drug lords and china mafia ppl!!!!
they are big time money conversion ppl, having ill gotten wealth from illegal hedge funds…anyways, wait for hight time action in times to come!!!!
@ s k
Last year, I happened to watch a sting operation video on an investigative programme telecast on CNBC TV regarding Ponzi pyramid schemes wherein a big operator of several such fraudulent schemes also casually gave information about mastermind behind Speak Asia.
I reported about this revelation on BEHIND MLM. Oz did some more work and wrote an explosive article naming persons behind Speak Asia. Later on, he also published an astonishing report about Speak Asia promoters floating and funding “Mr Colibri” pyramid scheme in Brazil.
All these revelations gave a lot of important leads to EOW and now they regularly keep a track of revelations about Speak Asia as being reported on BEHINDMLM.
I suggest you to confidentially Email the relevant information to Oz by clicking on “CONTACT” button on top RHS of this website. He will be able to make out an excellent investigative report on BEHINDMLM.
Reports regarding Speak Asia on BEHINDMLM enjoy good credibility with the investigative agencies all over India and may be overseas as well as operators behind Speak Asia and related companies are involved in several global level illegal Ponzi pyramid schemes and money laundering.
@SK
I was working very closely with speak asia in the beginning but company ditched me so i started passing vital information about the company to press and EOW so as to to nail these guys which lead to the downfall of the company. But speak asia with the help of aispa has suceeded in managing many things which can lead to collapse of cases.
If you have any documentary evidence then send it to me so i can verify and pass it on to insiders i have in EOW and press for the benefit of public at large. My email is (OzEdit: email removed).
@ s k
Be careful. Kunal is another incarnation of Anju/ Anjali Bahirwani. The text reveals many vital signature marks of her style.
Don’t pass on any sensitive information to any unknown person even if he tells you a very compelling sob story. Your information may be used to trace and then fix you royally. You are up against a ruthless mafia with unlimited resources.
You can trust Oz as a reliable medium to use the sensitive information appropriately for ultimate benefit of victims of Speak Asia fraud.
Observer
I was having the same feeling for Kunal, as from where suddenly he jumped on behindmlm and started asking for vital information with a email id of (OzEdit: email removed) LOL look at the email id.
Navniit has already provided his email address so to avoid other people wanting to publish theirs and request the information I’ve removed the offending email address.
If the information is to be published here then that is up to those that have it. This isn’t a private email request chat.
hahaha..don worry..am not that fools to send info to anyone just like that..but navnith is not responding..anyways, have send the info and proofs to relevant authorities..am only concern is they should act on it…anyways, lot of skeletons will come out of cupboard now!!!
Skeletons come out of the closet!
Just sayin…
This Kunal’s post has been copied and pasted on SpeakAsia Mobi by someone and that user has said Kunal Pathak has posted this post.
Kunal Pathak was owner of Marcom who was associated with SpeakAsia and contract with his company was terminated last year in Sept 2011.
Here is the source
http://www.thebhaskar.com/2011/09/speak-asia-who-is-vibhishan.html
I dont think Kunal Pathak posted here it is someone trying to use his name here with a different email id as Kunal’s email id is already posted above and if it was Kunal Pathak he would have used his original email id listed by Andy above.
Speaking of AISPA… back on May 22nd (Tuesday) Ashok Bahirwani wrote:
Two weeks later and still nothing. What a crock that turned out to be (not unexpected, but still).
Hi Guys!
I have got the following mail on speakasiainvestors@gmial.com:
No name! No identity!
Please analyse this and tell what to make of this mail!
Sounds a bit like stalling, from my own experience when people have information they want to give you they’re pretty upfront about handing it over.
A similar conclusion from me like the one Oz had.
A method that can be used is to take a closer look at your own initial reaction, and compare it to the initial reactions from other people here. Most of us have very similar reactions.
I made a very “neutral” comment, more neutral than most other comments I have made on the topic “Speak Asia”. The comment is also shorter than most other comments I have made, and I was not trying to create any dialogue or asking any questions.
Your initial reaction was to ask for second opinions and “Please analyse this?”. Both of us are usually more upfront when it comes to sharing of information.
s.k. has probably some information that he consider to be valuable, but he missed me as a target for some unknown reasons. I’m able to identify a couple of reasons.
A. I don’t like information that is “secret” and can’t be shared openly on a website. My normal reaction in a case like that will be to recommend people to continue to keep it a secret. I will not try to dig deeper into something if it can’t be shared openly.
B. Most of the information offered seemed to be outside the scope of this website. “We are mostly analysing business models”, “factual, unbiased and/or balanced” and all the other definitions that have been made here.
Both points are plausible logical explanations, but the real reason why I was not very interested is related to gut-feelings and instincts – the information didn’t FEEL right.
Navnit Sir
It is simple explanation.
These are RMs or AMs who have been sacked from the company. These people knew speakasia was enrolling panelist by lying about surveys and survey income, they were trained to pass this info to downlines.
These guys are sacked recently and want revenge and teach lesson to Manoj Kumar mastermind of Seven Rings.
It seems they dont want to directly get involved and use your shoulder to fire a bullet at speakasia. It is possible they wont file any case against SpeakAsia but will leak confidential information or documents without revealing their identity.
IMHO, if they want to leak info they could have simply scanned documents into PDF file and uploaded it to an anonymous file share like anonfiles and sent Kkhosla the link. Or they could have went to EOW.
I personally see the attempt to engage Kkhosla in conversation as attempt to dissuade him from his “quest”, through whatever means possible.
That’s why the information didn’t feel right. I’m not focusing on “revenge” or anything similar to that.
People should first of all focus on recovering their money as best they can, even if it includes settlements or other solutions.
I have received the following mail:
On Fri, Jun 8, 2012 at 3:13 PM, cg greoup group wrote:
My reply is:
It is seems to me that you have nothing to disclose except what is already in the public domain.
Further it seems that you are seeking info from me as well asking me to take a stand on some issues related to SAOL.
Originally you wanted me if I could use some information against SAOL from ex employees of SAOL. Specifically you said:
_____________________________________________________________
“i got your mail id from behind mlm website..i would like to get in touch
with you for filing a suit or a case for recovering money from the fraud
survey company..i have many more info and details to share with you..”
_____________________________________________________________
I think your agenda is different from what you are stating. Maybe you only need an advocate to help you as you already have info and details.
Go ahead and do what you think is best for you.
I shall pray for you
Yeah that’s starting to look pretty different to what they originally contacted you with. Doesn’t look like they are involved with management at all.
Nothing much happening of late, did spot this lon Facebook recently though:
Not first, they are the only ones as the petitioners payments is all writ 383 has every pertained to.
The rest of money is long gone, along with Harendar Kaur and Manoj Kumar… just waiting for panelists to catch up.
The information we have is too vague to draw a conclusion like that. All panelists are included in some of the points, using expressions like “the petitioners and other panelists”.
So we don’t really know whether or not other panelists will be included. Justice R.C. Lahoti’s use of the expression “the petitioners” doesn’t have to mean “only the 115 petitioners”.
The correct conclusion here should be something like this:
Looking at the big picture here, we can see lots of problems in the communication between SC/Lahoti and “the real world” (the parties involved and others). Most of us have had a hard time trying to interpret what they really mean from time to time.
As an overall impression, “communication problems” is a more dominant impression than any other impressions. They don’t communicat in the “same language” as the rest of the world. So you can’t expect your own interpretation to be correct before you have several indicators pointing in exactly the same direction.
@M_Norway
Due to to the lengths inbetween hearings I might be missing something, but from memory the Supreme Court only made one mention order regarding payments and that was along the lines of ‘we order the mediator to ascertain what is owed the petitioners’.
“The panelists” have never been mentioned in regards to payments. Nobody else has.
You’re missing the start.
It’s better to admit it, we don’t “speak the same language” as judges, and we will often have a hard time trying to interpret what they actually mean. They belong to some sort of alien species. 🙂
@M_Norway
I’m ignoring most of the prayers of writ 383 seeing as the court hasn’t publicly addressed them. From memory the prayer demands business retstarts and what not too and not one mention of that has been made by the court.
To date all the court has mentioned is the ascertaining of money owed to the petitioners, nobody else. Till I see or hear otherwise that’s all I’m going to take on board.
The courts can’t just guess what is owed everyone else, they have to publicly order someone to work that out and that hasn’t happened (as per the court orders).
That was posted by Navniit Kkhosla, it seems right now WP383 is only for involved parties not for all the panelists.
L.K. Davidson – claims to be a Senpei in speakasia
rcspropertyinvest.com – another scam
http://www.tradekey.com/company/Indiana-Tradinghouse-5312084.html
http://in.linkedin.com/pub/l-k-davidson/3a/5a0/877
http://www.brijj.com/mel-davidson
http://toostep.com/mel-davidson/profile
http://www.plaxo.com/directory/profile/38655532532/fdd795f9/Mel/Davidson
Never had been for all the panelists. The only one who said so was AISPA.
@ Oz
I wonder if speakasia sacked their RM, AM after their contact Nos posted here?
Sanjeev Khanna was clamining on Facebook yesterday that they were still paying out these managers a salary (lol?).
Maybe they figured enough has been spent from the Kumar and Kaur retirement fund to keep up appearances.
I missed this in above information
Thanks OZ for observing that. I thought you have stopped focussing on this case..
Hi Oz
There is this order posted about Maharastra state govt against aispa. Here is the order
http://bombayhighcourt.nic.in/data/criminal/2012/APPW30012130612.pdf
I am unable to make out what exactly it means. Can you check and post what it is.
Here’s the main part of the court order:
The stay is continued, because the order from the Supreme Court says “We, the Supreme Court, will not hamper investigation. Other than that, it will be up to the lower courts to decide”.
So now the lower court will decide whether the investigations can continue or not.
Seems AISPA has succeeded in stopping the investigation as of now.
The relevant part of the Supreme Court order dated 10.05.2012 states:
Plain reading will show that what the Bombay High Court has stated in the order dated 13.06.2012 is the correct position.
Even I had not realised that till I read the order again after reading the High Court order.
The Supreme Court had in fact freed the investigations on 10.05.2012.
I didn’t have time to do a writeup today on this today. I’ll have one up tommorow.
The wording of the order is key. I had to read it a few times to get it.
In AISPA update of June 15, 2012, Ashok Bahirwani is pretending that nothing will come out of Public Prosecutor’s Application for vacation of High Court’s stay on investigations against SAOL.
However, his nervousness is betrayed by his advice to the panelists to look for alternative MLM schemes which are ‘legal’ (unlike SAOL).
On June 1, 2012, SAOL terminated nearly 50% of its Area Managers and Regional Managers. Now Ashok Bahirwani is telling the panelists to move out.
Instead of restarting SAOL, its winding up operation has started.
The affidavit has to be filed by the Petitioner (AISPA) by tomorrow. This explains the panicky AISPA update by Ashok Bahirwani as AISPA’s bluff has been called off by High Court’s Order dated June 13, 2012.
Await Ashok Bahirwani’s arrest warrant next week.
EOW started investigation against Speakasia again
@Navniit Kkhosla
Is this true?
Yug products with German engineering 🙂
Economic offences wing gets court go-ahead to probe SpeakAsia ‘scam’
Truly Consumer Empowerment. 🙂