SC exposes lies of Speak Asia’s covert management
Seemingly out of the blue, last friday writ 383 which had been heard in the Supreme Court of India for just under a year was withdrawn, leaving the case disposed of by the court.
Speak Asia’s supporters scrambled to make the best of the news, assuring everyone that “nothing negative” had been said about the company and to wait for the SC order to be published.
The All India Speak Asia Panelist Association, who usually rush to publish anything remotely positive hours after a court appearance, were noticeably subdued. AISPA released a statement a few hours after the disposal that they would only publish something after the order was out.
Meanwhile whoever runs the Speak Asia “corporate marketing” blog, assured their followers there was nothing to worry about. A post put up on the 21st September reads
While our department for corporate affairs analyzes these latest developments, we would like to assure all our panelist in India that the company remains committed to solving this impasse and is very keen to re-start the business at the earliest opportune moment.
Of particular note was the change in tone, in opposition of any agency that did not comply with the Speak Asia agenda:
The company assures full cooperation with any agency or authority that has the jurisdiction on this situation and wishes to fulfill its commitment to refunding the subscription amounts to all those who have opted for the exit option of the company.
To the best of my knowledge to date no government agency has committed to the refund of subscription amounts, a business restart or even the mere entertaining of the Speak Asia “exit option”.
The CID however have filed a criminal chargesheet against the company, the Enforcement Directorate have filed a money laundering case, the Reserve Bank of India (RBI) stated Speak Asia was “akin” to a “money circulation scheme” in a cautionary it sent to Indian banks in May 2011 and the EOW have labelled the Speak Asia Ponzi scheme “the largest fraud case they’ve ever seen”.
Earlier today those behind the Speak Asia “corporate marketing” blog felt the need to publish a clarification to their earlier statements, which despite allegedly referring to itself made several references to “the company” and appeared strikingly similar to the baseless and full of rhetoric “news” that has been published on Facebook, AISPA and Speak Asia Mobi-Club (all run by senior panelists acting as defacto local management) over this past year and a half.
The company has been fighting its battle for survival for more than a year’s period and at this stage, your cooperation and patience in this battle is highly appreciated. We would urge the same deliberation from all of you for times to come.
With all the efforts in line we are bound to overcome the difficult times.
Along with the above statements are a series of wishful thinking dreams which, given the gravity revealed by the publishing of the Supreme Court order for the writ 383 disposal hearing on the 19th September, seem all the more unlikely.
Taking on a tone that suggested they’d been misled by Speak Asia and its senior panelists behind the writ until the ‘Investigating Officer, Economic Offences Wing (III), Crime Branch, C.I.D., Mumbai‘ filed an affidavit on March 3rd 2012 to clear things up, the SC most strikingly admit that the matter of payment to the 115 signed petitioners of the writ is ‘not a matter which could be resolved by way of mediation‘.
Two primary reasons are given for this, the first being that whereas writ 383 pertains only to the 115 signed petitioners (Speak Asia management and senior panelists have been falsely claiming the writ covered all panelists), the SC wholly acknowledge that in passing any order under writ 383 in regards to payments, that they ‘cannot turn a blind eye if other investors also come with a similar petition‘.
Why is that such a big deal?
The answer lies in the Supreme Court’s views and acceptance of the affidavits filed by Indian authorities.
The Investigating Officer filed another affidavit on 15.09.2012 wherein it was stated that in connection with the crime, several persons had been arrested and incriminating documents were seized and some persons
stated to have been involved in the crime are still at large and are not co-operating with the investigation.
The Enforcement Directorate had also registered a case under Money Laundering Act against the accused company.
The counter affidavit further states that the accused persons had misappropriated amount to the tune of Rs.2,276 crores out of which a sum of Rs.141 crores had been frozen in several bank accounts in the name of so called Master franchises/Collection agents and franchises throughout India.
We are of the view that in the light of the above facts this Court is not justified in invoking its jurisdiction under Article 32 of the Constitution of India in working out any scheme for settling the disputes which are criminal in nature.
Long time followers of BehindMLM’s coverage of the Speak Asia scam will note that this echoes the exact sentiments put forth on this website back in November 14th 2011, before the first mediation session even took place.
I’ve been banging this drum for a while now, but I’ll reiterate once again that no bank in India is going to do business with Speak Asia whilst there are criminal investigations and court cases pending against the company.
You can set up 100 committees led by whoever you want to act as mediators but still no bank is going to take on the liability of transferring funds from a company under criminal investigation.
The idea behind the Lahoti committee, or any other such committee is ridiculous. At the end of the day the criminal investigations are going to trump any civil proceedings demanding money from the company (yes, even the AISPA case).
Speak Asia’s panelists getting paid depends entirely on the outcome of the criminal cases.
Of course when you have Speak Asia’s lawyers willingly perjuring themselves in court and completely mislead proceedings by doing things like present the court with a completely fabricated business model that was never even used, it’s no wonder it’s taken the Supreme Court to finally get to the bottom of things and see writ 383 withdrawn under heavy judge-influenced pursuasion.
And on the topic of misleading, some other myths purported by AISPA, Ashok Bahirwani and the rest of the senior panelist propaganda machine blown wide open by the Supreme Court order include:
- the verified existance of an ED money laundering case (denied by Speak Asia, AISPA and the senior panelist management)
- the fact that 15 of the 115 signed writ 383 petitioners were ‘instrumental in running‘ Speak Asia who recruited ‘big amounts of innocent members/investors‘
- “petitioner 3” of writ 383 (who exactly this is I’m not aware of) operated as a “franchise” of respondents 3 and 4 in the case (Speak Asia and Haren Ventures respectively)
- that petitioners ‘6 to 101’ had only invested ‘invested the meager amount of Rs.11,000 each‘ and had only signed the petition after “representatives” of Speak Asia and Haren Ventures approached them and ‘approached them at their respective addresses in Southern States and had assured them that the money invested by them would be returned to them provided they gave their signatures‘. Interrogation by the authorities revealed that said petitioners were ‘ignorant about any Petition filed in the Hon’ble Supreme Court of India and the contents as well as the purpose thereof‘.
Had this of all been out on the table way back last year whilst Speak Asia, Haren Ventures and their defacto Indian based management of senior panelists misled the court, no doubt the mediation proceedings would have never been ordered in the first place, the recall of which upon the court learning of some of the details the authorities’ investigations have thus far uncovered.
And on the topic of investigation, with the Supreme Court unequivocably giving it’s blessing to the proceeding of any investigations, all eyes now turn to the next writ 3611 hearing, currently slated for hearing on the 26th September.
When we last checked in, AISPA had told the High Court that the stay on the EOW’s investigation needed to remain whilst they sought clarification from the Supreme Court on whether or not writ 383 would take precedence over criminal investigations.
A claim that now (and given the Supreme Court’s previous clarifications on the matter) wholly seems like a moot point.
Before the Mumbai High Court the EOW seemed to be closing in on senior panelists and Speak Asia’s defacto managment (largely connected to AISPA) with arrests pending. As the Supreme Court notes of the most recent affidavit filed by the investigating officer on September 15th,
in connection with the crime, several persons had been arrested and incriminating documents were seized and some persons stated to have been involved in the crime are still at large and are not co-operating with the investigation.
It is widely believed that Ashok Bahirwani was on the verge of being arrested in connection with his (publicly unknown) involvement in the Speak Asia scam. Before that could happen though, AISPA (of whom Bahirwani is the Secretary and public spokesperson of), the Mumbai High Court ordering a temporary stay on the EOW’s investigation, pending AISPA’s request to ‘seek clarification from the Supreme Court‘.
AISPA President Melwyn Crasto had already been arrested, interrogated and jailed over his involvement in the scam (as a “prime promoter”) and the deposit of funds into his personal accounts from Speak Asia that he “could not explain” to the EOW.
Looking forward, if the Indian authorities are on the ball and quick to get things back on track we might be in for some very interesting upcoming weeks.
The Supreme Court order pretty much blows most of the myths Speak Asia’s senior panelists have used to keep the rumour alive that Speak Asia was going to restart its Ponzi scheme if panelists’ only remained patient. Along with the disposal of writ 383 due to voluntary withdrawal, it’ll certainly be interesting to see how the facts in the latest SC order are spun to suit their needs.
At the time of publication, other than the empty rhetoric over at the Speak Asia corporate marketing blog, they haven’t been able to come up with anything.
Stay tuned.
Footnote: The full writ 383 Supreme Court disposal order can be viewed over at the Supreme Court of India website.
@ oz
Anticipating arrest after adverse decision by the Supreme Court, Ashok Bahirwani has already gone underground. Now AISPA’s updates are being issued by “Team AISPA” instead of Bahirwani till recently.
Well I can’t imagine he’ll remain in hiding long with the EOW, CID and ED all working together.
As we had LONG suspected, they were ALL WORKING TOGETHER ALL ALONG. They were the core shills, with a few judas goats who were mislead into joining.
It looks like things are not so good for Colibri in Brazil
http://www.tribunademinas.com.br/cidade/policias-federal-e-civil-est-o-no-caso-mister-colibri-em-jf-1.1157401
True believers in SpeakAsia’s new business model should probably read that. 🙂
First they started to pay in Loyalty Points (LP) for the “work”, and Encashable Loyalty Points (ELP) for recruitment, but the business lost most of its momentum after that (in January 2012 or so, my estimate).
People could exhange LP into money in August???
In September, they introduced the Online Store, and people could now only spend their LP as discounts on products.
It lasted 3 weeks … 🙂
It didn’t actually come as a surprise to me. In 4-5 months from January to May 2012 the number of members doubled from 60,000 to 120,000. That sounds OK, but it means people managed to recruit ONE new person each in 4-5 months.
After that, the recruitment must have slowed down even more.
Exactly the same would probably have happened in India. People who have joined an income opportunity are usually NOT very happy when they become members of a buying club.
Pay attention to the amount of comments defending the company, and attacking the media and the government agencies. Extremely similar to the comment boxes of the articles about Spekasia in Indian websites
A few more details from the Brazilian story:
Some of the amounts are probably misleading, since Google translator translates currencies randomly.
Loyalty Points devaluated from $1.00 to $0.10 in the normal market.
And the price in the e-commerce store was 45-90% over normal market price.
The investigation started late last year, but then there was no victims. That’s always a problem.
I have had a few discussions with Speakasians about the new business model, “Are you SURE you want to become a member of a buying club?”. And they always seemed to be VERY interested, “We will simply LOVE to buy electronics and other products for a discounted price”. 🙂
In Brazil, Mister Colibri managed to release ONE product before people started to throw stones (figuratively speaking) after the management.
@Brazilian
For some reason, I can’t access the comments when I’m using Google translate there. But that’s not important, I have read several comments from India earlier. “We’re BOUND to win and will DEFINITELY win”, (“oh shit, we lost”), “SpeakAsia — Where is Our Money?”.
It was interesting reading the update about Mister Colibri. The last update I read was in May or something. It hasn’t exactly been a success in the last 9 months. 🙂
the values in the text are in Brazilian Real(R$). One dollar costs about R$2,00
According to what people are saying, until this moment, no one has actually received any product from Colibri
In cases of fraud, there can be victims without them being aware they are victims. Ponzi / pyramid schemes often have many people who were “ignorant victims” in that they are not even AWARE they’re victims.
It gets really pathetic when they start fighting the government.
http://amlmskeptic.blogspot.com/2012/09/pitfall-of-wishful-thinking-ignorance.html
Anju where are you?
Speak now or forever hold your peace!
This site is not the same without you!
I am sure you will have the best take on the orders of the Supreme Court!
Posting on speakasiaonline.marketing
Where is the authorization that these postings are duly authorized for and on behalf of Speak Asia Online Pte. Ltd. or Haren Ventures Pte. Ltd.?
My second question is whether postings without disclosing authorization and with false information on the internet is an offence?
The facts have been recorded by the Supreme Court order of 19.09.2012 and everything contrary to that may be considered to be false!
Few observations from Latest Supreme court order (I posted this yesterday just before Oz published the article. I am repeating this only to show the similarity in observations from independent observer).
That means Mediator calculated only $10 million.
Petitioner No.3 Gurdeep Singh – Punjab
Respondent No.3 and Respondent No.4 Speak Asia Online Private Limited and Haren Ventures Private Limited
“Self explained.”
Here are the names of Petitioner Nos. 1, 3 and 102 to 115. I am not sure if petitioners 102 to 115 are involved. But again Government agencies don’t speak without proof.
1. Solomon James – Noida
3. Gurdeep Singh – Punjab
102. Sushil Sharma – Uttarakhand
103. Ramakan Rudola – Uttarakhand
104. Yogesh Ghandhi – Uttarakhand
105. Harish Chandra – Uttarakhand
106. Rajesh Singh – Uttarakhand
107. Ashwini Kumar – Bihar
108. Mukul Dev Sharma- Uttarakhand
109. Champa Devi – Uttarakhand
110. Meenakshi Bisht – Uttarakhand
111. Mahendra Singh – Uttarakhand
112. Sunil Kumar – Uttarakhand
113. Anil Kumar – Uttarakhand
114. Sudhir Singh Bisht- Uttarakhand
115. Amit Rana – Uttarakhand
This indicates that news reports stating ED registered a case under MLA were right. (also many other reports stating other government agencies.)
Many people already have written this a hundred times on BehindMLM.
Oz already told this that the mediation process is useless. And we also told that WP 383 is only for 115 not for all the panelists of Speakasia.
Most importantly if SC allow Speakasia to continue its operation than other scam operator will also repeat the same. Regular readers of this blog will notice that most of the issues addressed by Supreme Court and observations made by Supreme Court are already discussed on BehindMLM in depth.
I personally don’t believe in any MLM scheme or any other scheme where you can earn/receive even one $ without any effort. My advice is not to believe in any scheme which gives you anything free. Nothing in the world is free but air.
The “short and sweet” version: franchisees are NOT victims… they are ACCOMPLICES.
Now a user is posting a message on facebook that he has received a sms from Ashok Bahirwani that details will be uploaded to AISPA website tomorrow after the hearing in Mumbai HC.
@Navniit Kkhosla
Any feedback about EOW or ED moving application to the court for freezing/attachment of US$ 10 mn deposit amount alongwith accrued interest lying with UCO Bank, Supreme Court Branch?
If EOW does not move quickly, Speak Asia will quietly collect a bank draft for the outstanding deposit amount and carry it to SBI Singapore branch. This money equivalent to Rs 60 crore will simply disappear thereafter.
more bad news for colibri
@ Brazilian
This seems to be interesting. Please post english translation.
Basically “Justice authorizes disclosure of top Colibri members` bank records ”
It’s rather difficult and “questionable” to go against an order from the Supreme Court, so I don’t think you will see any actions here.
The $10 million was connected to something specific when it was ordered to be deposited, and that specific use is no longer valid. It was several clauses connected to the deposited money, about how it should be used.
The Supreme Court will have to go against its own orders if the money is used for “general purposes” rather than the specific ones.
The money will disappear, but the practice will follow the correct rules.
It’s not normal practice to file claims AFTER the final order. Any claims about securing the money for other uses than the original should have been filed during the hearings.
WRIT 383 has now been dismissed finally, and there has been no verified claims connected to the money other than from the ones who paid the amount in.
@ OZ, At last some action on 383 from Hon SC. The order is very clear and has no surprises. In any case writ 383 had to go.
Now that CID has already filed the charge sheet with charges like 406, 420 & PMC..It has to be proved in lower courts…
Oz, i still feel withdrawal of 383 is a big relief to SAOL..Pls shed some light as i see cases against SAOL disappearing in thin air…
@ Navnit KKoshla, now that action would continue in CR 60.are you still a party to it…wats your take on it….
I have not done anything in this matter as yet.
I disagree with you. Franchisees are victims only. No business share their resources with anyone working with them terming as their business secret. Owner and top management only know such things.
In speak asia it was very easy to hide all these thing as company was registered overseas. Its very easy to doubt a company who is sending/taking money from your local bank accounts using a nationalize bank through RBI.
In my view franchisee and senior panelists are the biggest victim of all as their life, livelihood and social standing everything is at stake. It doesn’t matter whether you joined 10 or 2 person, whether you make 40 lakhs or 40 rupees, if its wrong in front of law, then its wrong for everybody.
If franchisee and senior panelists are accomplices then every panelist who made a single penny out of this scheme are accomplices too and should be booked for 420. Everyone knows that manoj kumar was running speak asia by puttig his friend haren kaur from singapore in front.
EOW, Mumbai is no novice to understand that, but instead of cracking down on him and offshore company podium ring international from British Virgin Island, they all are beating around the bush and harassing/arresting innocent panelists/franchisee.
It seems that EOW is trying hard to make scapegoat and end speak asia chapter asap. In india its so easy to commit crime and get away with it if you had made some real good money to pay/buy officials…
Who says money can’t buy everything… you just need mastercard and offshore accounts.
Actally my question was what u wld do now? Can EOW file a separate charge sheet as the charge sheet had already been filed by CID?
I disagree with him, too. SpeakAsia offered franchises as a normal part of the business, as a “buy a business” rather than “buy an income opportunity”, or “buy PIN’s and panels for wholesale price rather than retail price”.
So there’s no real difference between franchisees and panelists, other than the number of panels and the price.
SpeakAsia was a scam, and many have made themselves become victims AFTER the scheme was shut down, in how they have handled the case.
The “innocent panelist” Melwyn Crasto was/is a company official, and he doesn’t fit the role as an innocent panelist very well. All the fake “innocent panelists” have been a problem in itself.
That’s absolutely baseless. Melwyn is a simple panelist from mumbai who joined at an earlier stage and formed a good team later by working hard.
I never had any roles in any of speak asia meeting, conferences or any other franchisee meeting. Tarak, ashish, narayan and sanjeev mehta were all over the place all the time. He got in soup just after he started helping fellow panelist by forming a group called aispa. Never heard of him before he came in lime light cos of Aispa.
EOW is doing nothing than making innocent panelists scapegoat for this scam. Instead of gripping on company officials and promoters of speak asia, they are nabbing innocent panelist and trying hard to proove them as promoters… what a pity
@ M_Norway
As Supreme Court has finally released its control/lien over US$ 10 mn deposit, the deposited amount’s owner Speak Asia being accused of running an illegal money circulation business, the deposit provided by Speak Asia is now to be treated as tainted money raised through illegal money circulation business and therefore subject to scrutiny and confiscation by the investigative agencies.
If the investigative agencies allow this large amount of about Rs 60 crore to disappear due to their negligence, they may be ultimately held responsible by the court for this otherwise avoidable loss to the investors/panelists.
@ Mahi
Through your carelessness you have advertently revealed that Mahi you are Melwyn Crasto. The way you have written first names of other top officials/associates of Speak Asia, it shows that you are one of their close chums.
Your own admission that you “joined at an earlier stage and formed a good team later by working hard” but avoided “any roles in any of speak asia meeting, conferences or any other franchisee meeting” confirms that you are very close to Speak Asia mastermind Ram Nivas Pal and therefore you took extreme care to avoid being in the lime light.
Due to unexpected sudden collapse of Speak Asia in May 2011, AISPA was floated to save the skins of Ram Nivas Pal and his close associates.
Ram Nivas Pal made you the sacrificial lamb by nominating you as Chairman of AISPA under the garb of “simple panelist from mumbai who joined at an earlier stage and formed a good team later by working hard”. Of course, Ram Nivas Pal paid you handsomely for this suicidal act.
EOW also has the same opinion about you and now having got the green light, will soon catch up with you and Ashok Bahirwani.
Ashok Bahirwani was earlier represented on BEHINDMLM by his wife masquerading as “Anju/Anjali”.
This shows that Speak Asia scamsters have a very high regard for BEHINDMLM and they tried very hard to get some credibility by brain washing its readers.
It will be interesting to watch out for Ram Nivas Pal on BEHINDMLM masquerading as another innocent panelist.
Huh… why don’t you name your site from behindmlm to something like Oz’s imaginary world..mystery lies within. What would melwyn be doing here when aispa got a crucial case in mumbai high court at this moment…
do you think your site is so important that melwyn would miss a case hearing just to post on your site… ru kidding… you just go haywire…
there is a similarity betwen you and EOW… you both are baseless… you made a laughing stock of yourself by posting this
Melwyn is not stupid to take money in his own account if he would have known this is a scam at first place. Scamster doesn’t operate like that. You don’t get in limelight but you take money in your account from the same company in your name only so when anything goes wrong you will be the first one to get in soup… are you out of your mind.
Scamsters open offshore account, so if anything goes wrong they can wash their hands off. I don’t think you and EOW are that stupid to understand that.
EOW made a base of melwyn arrest that he got money amounting to 40 lakhs from speak asia, if that is the case EOW should book every panelist who made even a single rupee from speak asia.
Is your website being sponsored by manoj kumar and EOW so that you can validate their actions of making innocent panelists as scapegoats??
Anju
You have fallen in the trap. Welcome to BEHINDMLM under a new avatar.
Yah i should say so… it took time but atlast we know that you have been sponsored by EOW and manoj kumar
The difference is that Melwyn Crasto received money AFTER SpeakAsia was shut down, when payments had been frozen. He also appeared in the “contact list” released on the internet, as one of the AM/RM in SpeakAsia.
He was mentioned in the context of “some people have made themselves become victims AFTER SpeakAsia was shut down”. Melwyn Crasto was only one of them, and I used him as an example.
@Mahi
Wel come back anju. Alas, after so many months you have not learned the meaning of “proof”.
I can release your name on internet as speak asia AM/RM, is it some kind of proof? Melwyn or anyone else din’t recieve single penny from speak asia since 11 may 11.
Do you have any proof that he got money in his account after company closed? That is why he was out on bail in mere 56 days. Have you ever saw anyone get out in 56 days in a 1200 crore scam?
You people are knowingly avoiding any discussion about manoj kumar, haren kaur and podium ring international, this shows your nexus with them and EOW to make innocent panelists like melwyn a scapegoat
@ Mahi
You are having a lot of inside information about Speak Asia operators because of your proximity to Ashok Bahirwani and Melwin Crasto. The Speak Asia scamsters are operating from behind the curtain and remote controlling and funding AISPA (just like ISI controls and funds terrorists from Pakistan who create trouble and also get killed in India while their masters in Pakistan are not put to any trouble).
As a result, AISPA officials have become sacrificial goats who being the most visible part as agents and successors to Speak Asia have to face the wrath of investigative agencies.
The best course of option available to AISPA officials may be to break ranks with their remotely controlling masters and help in criminal investigations.
Why don’t you initiate discussion about manoj kumar, haren kaur and podium ring international by explaining in detail their respective roles and present whereabouts? Otherwise, since these people are absconding, the only source of information available about them to the public is outcome of criminal investigations.
It appears that as the criminal investigations have resumed in full swing now, the participants have fallen apart in different interest groups and the game has started to pass on the blame to the other side.
Writ 3611 in Mumbai High Court has been disposed and stay on arrests has been vacated.
Order not uploaded yet on Mumbai HC Website.
Posting on speakasiaonline.mobi
Only dismissed! What else did they expect?
@Mahi
We and I have clearly identified that part of this case long time ago (from memory):
* Manoj Kumar Sharma as top of the foodchain
* Seven Rings International, Podium Rings
* Tulsient, Seamless Outsourcing, Kritanz Management
* connections to United Arab Emirates (Seven Rings)
* connections to Mister Colibri in Brazil
* connections to AdMatrix
* older companies (Mango)
* AISPA’s role, protecting the management
* Advocate Abdi’s role, as lawyer for Manoj Kumar’s companies
* tried to calculate the real amount involved, because I know the 2,276 crore is misleading.
We have covered several aspects of the case, but we can’t repeat all of them in every comment. We have focused on the case rather than the people involved in it.
MELWYN CRASTO
Melwyn Crasto was only used as an example for “some people have made themselves become victims, AFTER SpeakAsia was shut down”. Whether he is innocent or not will eventually be up to the court to decide.
WHY he was arrested was probably related to something in his own role, something that didn’t match the role as “innocent panelist” very well.
Melwyn Crasto got out on bail because “bail is the rule rather than the exception”. 55 days in jail means they had some evidence against him, enough to put him in jail while the case was investigated.
I was in the Bombay High Court when the Criminal Writ Petition no. 3611 of 2011 was heard.
The order was softly pronounced by Hon’ble Mr. Justice A. S. Oka on behalf of the two member Bench.
But it was clearly pronounced that Criminal Writ Petition no. 3611 of 2011 was dismissed and that the interim stay on the investigation was lifted as well as the 72 hour protection granted to Bahirwani was also vacated.
The contempt petition against Mateen Hafeez as well as the executives of the Times of India and Rajvardhan Sinha, Addl. Commissioner of Police, EOW was also dismissed as it was not pressed by the petitioners – AISPA, Bahirwani and Crasto. Does that now leave them open for prosecution for filing a false affidavit in the High Court?
Bahirwani’s anticipatory bail application will be heard on 03.10.2012 in Court Room 17 in the City Civil & Sessions Court in Mumbai. If it is rejected then he will be arrested by the Police in the Court complex.
Personally I strongly suspect that AISPA and Speak Asia and the de facto management of Speak Asia will now go to the Supreme Court in appeal to stall the investigation and multiple prosecution of the accused in the various states!
Dear NK, I disagree with u on this in toto… Supreme court chapter is over…And you still didnt answered my question on how you wld go ahead frm here..
What to do now?
The main focus for average panelists who have lost money should be to get it back (as best they can). It can’t be solved on an individual level, they will probably have to file something similar to a class action lawsuit against some of the parties — with Manoj Kumar and his companies as the main parties.
WHAT TO DO:
* Get an overview over the case, in its main aspects rather than the details. What has happened until now / current status / what can be done from here.
* Get some information about how to file civil claims, preferrably from some professional.
* Get an overview over how the criminal case can affect a civil one, e.g. if they can run side by side, if a civil case will need information and “evidence” from the criminal one, and so on.
So the first steps in “What to do” is to collect and organize information for what to do, and why and how to do it.
You will need a clear idea of what you’re trying to achieve, e.g. limited to “We’re trying to recover lost investments as best as we can, with methods acceptable for most people”. Make it that vague and flexible, so you’re not bound to use specific methods.
Other steps will be to communicate it, where and when that is needed, and to be able to move forward and make decisions when needed.
None of these steps have to be done personally by you, but you’ll probably have to do something to make it happen.
So on a personal level, the most important step is to make sure you have relatively clear and realistic (but flexible) ideas for how to solve it (in its main aspects rather than the details). Make sure you’re able to communicate it. And make sure you’re trying to move forward rather than in circles.
Dear Norway, The best thing to answer a question is to question the question. I suggest ..please be specific and brief.
More over i would like to hear it from NK as he is involved and you r not.
Rest I am interested in legal case not the people..
Well, think it’s pretty obvious Bahirwani has done his disappearing trick again. Latest AISPA update is signed TEAMAISPA and is obviously not written by him.
With Speak Asia and AISPA’s legal front in shambles and the criminal investigations resumed, looks like it’s finally end of the road. Let’s hope the Indian authorities don’t bungle it up.
Aman Azad is trying to protect AISPA in the Supreme Court disposal verdict because most panelist are holding AISPA as the root cause of that verdict which is true.
Aman Azad says that AISPA was to intervene for all panelist on 19th Sept but the judge did not listen to anything and announce the verdict and so AISPA is not the cause of the verdict.
AISPA is the cause of verdict of disposal of 383 because EOW reached the Supreme Court again and again because AISPA was dragging them again and again and the verdict posted clearly shows EOW presented facts to the Supreme Court and that influenced the disposal.
As I said all along, AISPA does NOT represent the panelists despite its claim to do so. Facts have revealed that AISPA is representing the franchisee’s (who apparently bought positions from SAOL and sold them to panelists for profit).
AISPA’s real purpose is to confuse, distract, and delay the legal process against SAOL by using panelists money to obstruct justice for panelists. A very ingenious plan of betrayal, this is.
Dear Sameer, Please talk some sense as here the court in question was Supreme Court,The highest Court In The Country. The reason behind the disposal of 383 was 383 itself as stated clearly in the SC order.
Dear Chang, Your intelligent judgement is appreciable. Pls shed some light on wat comes next..and
Does Navnit KKosla has to travel all along to Vijaywada as hes still a party??
HAHA…Great finding
There is law against “obstruction of justice” in India, yes?
Or “obstructing an investigation”?
How about “perjury” (lying to court)?
EOW has the freedom now to bring all these charges to bear against the perpetrators.
There IS already an order from the Supreme Court (in WRIT 383) that will affect other cases against SpeakAsia, if the cases are about getting money back.
Part of the rejection was about “this case has nearly 20 lakh other investors, and the court can’t turn a blind eye against their rights”.
The principles from that order will also have to be applied to any civil case about money. ALL panelists must be offered equal rights, or else a case will be unsolvable in court (the court can’t pass a valid order).
The principle in question here is EQUALITY BEFORE LAW, a Fundamental Right that automatically will have a higher rank than a civil claim.
And what do you think what CB-CID would have done??
Last we heard from the CID they were going to approach Interpol to issue international arrest warrants on Harendar Kaur and Manoj Kumar.
That’s what prompted Speak Asia to throw everything they had at them through the Supreme Court and try to get their investigation quashed.
Obviously that hasn’t worked out for them but it did waste a year (and a lot of panelists money in legal costs). I imagine, pending any further release of information from the CID, that we won’t hear anything until they’ve either finished their investigation or made some arrests.
Do they have not filed the charge-sheet?
@Dead Wood
My name is Navniit Kkhosla. Pl spell it correctly.
Do not worry I will travel to Vijaywada if needed. I will work out the travel options this week end. I have learnt that I will have to travel to Hyderabad for the Andhra High Court hearings. I shall treat my visits as a holiday as I have friends in Hyderabad.
Great to hear from you. Thanks for correcting me and please accept my sincere apologies for misspelling your name.
And wish you luck for your holidays in AP.
Yes, what’s your point? A charge-sheet being filed doesn’t mean everyone in the CID goes off on holidays.
If Speakasia really wanted to solve the current situation they should have used WP 383.
Even EOW (RBI also) said that they don’t have any problem if Speakasia bring money ‘in’ India
@ oz
After your September 24th brilliant article “SC exposes lies of Speak Asia’s covert management,” which was also reproduced by Moneylife, Speak Asia scamsters appear to have panicked and are desperately searching for fresh ideas including seeking suggestions from those who are regularly posting comments on BEHINDMLM.
Both Dead Wood and Mahi who surfaced 2 days thereafter on September 26, 2012 om BEHINDMLM are new aliases of Anju/Anjali, Ashok Bahirwani’s wife. I exposed Mahi on September 26, 2012 itself and she disappeared for ever from BEHINDMLM the same day. Dead Wood has posted 9 times in the last 4 days.
Dead Wood’s first posting on September 26 reveals utter confusion in Bahirwani’s camp and as if attempts by sinking men searching for holding on to floating straw.
“@ OZ, At last some action on 383 from Hon SC. The order is very clear and has no surprises. In any case writ 383 had to go.
Now that CID has already filed the charge sheet with charges like 406, 420 & PMC..It has to be proved in lower courts…
Oz, i still feel withdrawal of 383 is a big relief to SAOL..Pls shed some light as i see cases against SAOL disappearing in thin air…
@ Navnit KKoshla, now that action would continue in CR 60.are you still a party to it…wats your take on it”….
To Navniit Kkhosla’s clever reply “I have not done anything in this matter as yet”, Dead Wood still probed further:
“Actally my question was what u wld do now? Can EOW file a separate charge sheet as the charge sheet had already been filed by CID”?
I don’t know why Speak Asia has lost confidence in an army of most expensive legal luminaries employed by it.
It appears that Speak Asia has also lost confidence in Ashok Bahiwani who is replaced by “Team AISPA”. Hence, desperate attempts by her wife to get some new ideas from BEHINDMLM readers.
It’s not a “relief”, it’s the opposite of what they really wanted to achieve. It’s “restrictions” rather than “reliefs”.
The main purpose of WRIT 383 was to LEGALIZE SpeakAsia’s operations, making it become “officially legal” with a new business model. The main purpose of that was to protect the interests of the management (agains criminal charges and civil claims).
The tool for that was to put up some panelists as “victims” for the government’s actions, and with a civil claim against SpeakAsia and Haren Ventures. The claim was civil in nature, but acted as a part of a case about Fundamental Rights.
SpeakAsia’s management would have been willing to pay far more than $10 million if they had managed to legalize the business, but the claim before the SC was about less than $10 million. Other claims was meant to be handled outside court, using the Exit option to cheat people.
They have failed completely.
* legalizing the business failed miserably
* legalizing payments failed miserably
* getting off the hook from criminal charges have failed
* they have NOT been able to protect the management
SpeakAsia’s management was EAGER to be able to solve some payments voluntarily rather than in court, but the court order is preventing them from solutions like that rather than allowing it.
The court order says “This case is criminal in nature, and it has to be solved as a criminal case”. “The court can’t allow payment to a small group of people”.
Dear Oz, The point here is that now the actual trial wld begin.
As per my info the Rs. 50cr figure is suggested by the mediator (And hes was carrying the actual data ) and the same had been deposited. So more discussion on this is waste of time.
Dear Norway, Seems you too are in the habit of not listening to the free advises. Anyway, i again suggest that please go thru the older posts of Ozy about WP383 and refresh your mind.
The legal team has been able to delay the case for several months, and that is a result in itself.
Bahirwani and AISPA have very few weapons left. He was dependant on having good weapons to use (useable for misleading people), but now he has lost most of them.
The two remaining “weapons” are:
A: Promise of payment, through contact with RBI (Reserve Bank of India).
B: Promise of business restart, but they don’t have many cards to play there.
After September 19th, they have mainly played the RBI card, using the Right to Information Act. It has been played along with the Exit option, as a promise of potential payment.
Yhe strategy is probably “Try to make people believe in the same ideas as before, but with other solutions”. They’re trying to make people believe the RBI will act as a solution to the payment issue, when the Supreme Court didn’t work. They’re also trying to make people believe the business can restart without support from the Supreme Court.
I don’t have to “copy” Oz’ thoughtset, do I? We will usually cover different areas.
The attempt to LEGALIZE SpeakAsia has failed, so the dismissal of WRIT 383 wasn’t much of a relief.
They have also lost the card “We have brought in some money to pay you, and we will bring in more money if needed”. SpeakAsia and AISPA lost most of their cards when WRIT 383 was disposed / withdrawn voluntarily.
And…? Speak Asia is the largest Ponzi scheme in Indian history. A criminal trial is a mere formality.
I imagine the CID will continue pursuing the matter.
haa..Wats new thn…ozy is crying from day one that writ 383 wld do no good…
Yeah..thats wat i think..all the matters getting consolidated under CB-CID charge sheet.
@ Dead Wood alias Mahi alias Anjali alias Anju
Speak Asia is the largest and most elaborately planned and implemented Ponzi pyramid fraud scheme in India by its mastermind Ram Nivas Pal who was nailed by BEHINDMLM and also named by another Ponzi operator in a sting operation. Unfortunately for the mastermind, the scheme suddenly collapsed in May 2011 due to media’s unexpected sting operation carried out in Goa festival which was grandly planned by Speak Asia.
Such a huge fraud also needs an elaborate cover up to save the skins of the mastermind and his close colleagues who fleeced more than Rs 1000 crore for themselves from ignorant 20 lakh panelists. Melwin Crasto and Ashok Bahirwani assisted by his wife were given very lucrative assignments to form AISPA to protect the senior panelists and also to coordinate with very expensive legal team. Some blogs were also set up to confuse and misguide the panelists.
Unfortunately for the mastermind and his coterie, all the carefully planned fire fighting operations have failed miserably and they are now cornered with dwindling options. As a result, now attempts are being made to pass on the blame to Manoj Kumar and his team of technical/financial experts and the figurehead Haren Kaur. Manoj Kumar has further entangled himself by launching Mr. Colibri in Brazil. There may be some calculation on the part of Manoj Kumar. In case he is held and the case is dragged on in Brazil, he will avoid being extradited to India.
Melwin Crasto and Ashok Bahirwani are designed to save the mastermind and his coterie as first set of sacrificial goats who have been well fed prior to their forthcoming disposal.
This appropriately justifies Bahirwani’s wife’s latest label “Dead Wood” as Bahirwani is no longer of any utility to the mastermind and is now earmarked to be discarded like dead wood.
Just in case you haven’t noticed. you quoted an answer I gave to “Observer”. And I stayed within that topic in the reply to you.
To clarify something:
We’re not organised in “upline / downline” here, so I can give answers indepently of Oz or anyone else. I don’t have to ask my upline for “the correct answer” to something.
And I have no intention of starting to act like it either, e.g. pretending there is some “upline / downline” functions here.
@Dead Wood
I have a part of the answer to the “What to do next?” question, posted in another thread. It’s based on my own understanding of the case, and I know very little about how cases like this normally will be solved in India.
I copied all 10 sections from the court order related to WRIT 383, and analysed them — what they contain rather than the details.
Then I extracted 2 conclusions:
1. The case has to be solved as a criminal case.
2. “Equality before law” will have to be applied to civil claims.
And then I extracted 1 question, the question that needs to be answered to know what to do. “How do they normally solve claims like this?”
The Judge who wrote the order in the Supreme Court used a method relatively similar to mine (post #43):
* Get an overview (but he GIVES an overview, in details)
* what has happened? (Section 1 and 2)
* current status? (Section 3 – 8)
* what to do next? (Section 9 and 10)
@Dead Wood
I’m not a lawyer, and I’m missing some of the information needed, relatively basic and simple information about how they usually will solve civil claims in a criminal case with a huge number of victims involved.
The audience here can be defined to be “normal people, without any specific profession (like lawyers, accountants, and so on”. It means you can’t expect fully qualified answers here, like you normally can expect from a specialised professional (if you’re asking the right questions).
It also means you’re expected to act like a “normal person” yourself, since you joined the audience here in the first place. We have another type of audience too, the ones who normally joins the “spam bin audience”
@Dead Wood
How much Speakasia paid your husband ashok bahirwani?
Manoj Kumar Sharma fits that profile much better than Ram Niwas Pal (or Ram Sumiran Pal).
* he was in the management of Seven Rings International
* 3 of his other companies did the money collecting for SpeakAsia
* money laundering was probably done through some of them
* he was founder in Mister Colibri in Brazil
* he has the right set of connections, e.g. to pyramid scheme organizers in Europe
* he’s using Mr. Abdi as a lawyer for two of his other companies
The money collecting part is a strong enough indicator in itself. We will usually not allow people lower in the foodchain to handle 100’s of millions, or give them access to account numbers and other financial details.
Other people in the same management team:
RAJAH P. JAIN
RAJIV MEHROTRA
The other Ponzi operator also gave some other clues that points in Manoj Kumar’s direction, e.g. “he’s directing the different operations from Mumbai”, “he will not front any operation himself, he will act as an ordinary participant in case something goes wrong”. But in SpeakAsia he suddenly HAD TO front the operation as a CEO.
No specific procedures could be followed here as the company in question does not have PE. More over i dont see any civil claims in this case now.
Any guess why he did so in this case..
@Dead Wood
Manoj Kumar popped up as a CEO in early May 2011, just after the trouble started, when he had to apologize to some companies for using their names in a fake client list.
They needed a spokes person immediately, and I’ll guess he tried to solve it himself rather than delaying it / train some others to do it.
His organisation is usually NOT very skilled in handling unexpected situations. I’m sure they have people who are qualified enough, but they do usually not have the right position in the system. There’s a problem with the organisation model rather than the people.
If I had to take a guess I’d say it was because at that point he’d been running so many scams for years through Seven Rings that he honestly thought he had a shot at legalising Ponzi schemes in India.
That didn’t work out so well for him.
Boy Boy, Criminal trials can never be formality…just wait & watch..
Yeah…. just wait and watch.
How’s that worked out for Speak Asia over the past year and a half. India is never going to legalise Ponzi schemes so a criminal case is only going to have one outcome.
@ Dead Wood
“Any guess why he did so in this case”..
The answer lies behind the question: Who owns Speak Asia?
Speak Asia is owned by the person who benefited the most from this scam, the scheme operator Ram Sumiran Pal. He was the Apex Panelist sitting at the top of the pyramid scheme and also surrounded by hundreds of fake IDs created by him. Through these fake IDs he collected more than Rs 1000 crore for himself.
Then there are hundreds of senior panelists very close to him, who worked day and night to market the scheme in major cities and rural areas. Pal brothers move the marketing team from one pyramid scheme to another as soon as the scheme gathers momentum.
When Speak Asia picked up the momentum, the marketing team was moved to AdMatrix in January 2011 with Ram Nivas Pal as the Apex Panelist.
Manoj Kumar was one of the founders of Direct Sellers Association of India. He has developed the expertise to provide technical components like software, hardware, contents like suveys, ads etc. for a pyramid scheme.
Having an office in the Middle East, he uses Seven Rings International for siphoning off the collected money to companies registered in offshore tax havens and then recycle the money for setting up such schemes elsewhere.
Speak Asia remitted Rs 750 crore to Singapore. Seven Rings was used to transfer Rs 600 crore to Holland to fund AdMatrix.
Why Manoj Kumar exposed himself by declaring himself to be the CEO?
The answer is greed and over confidence. He was offered a fat sum to save Ram Sumiran Pal’s bounty of Rs 1000 crore. Manoj Kumar was not a panelist of Speak Asia hence no proof of his involvement as a direct beneficiary of the scheme.
He posed himself as a mere consultant associated with Speak Asia who accepted the post of CEO to respond to the allegations made in the media. Til now, no body had bothered about such failed pyramid schemes and they were forgotten after a short while. But Speak Asia scam turned out to be too big to be forgotten.
Of course both Manoj Kumar and Haren Kaur belong to other camp. Therefore you want the glare to be shifted on them, away from Bahirwani and Melwin Crasto who will then lead the way to Ram Sumiran Pal and his coterie.
so true..
so now what an indivisual penalist from Speakasia can expect from the company?
Some texts from SC Order:
It is so ordered.
The proceedings initiated in writ petition No. 383 of 2011 therefore stands concluded and the prayer of the counsel for the petitioners to withdraw the writ petition is accordingly allowed, making it clear that whatever we have stated above would not affect rights of the parties and the law will take its own course. The writ petition stands disposed of as withdrawn.
So friends, I would like to know from you that what the below sentence from the order means:-
making it clear that whatever we have stated above would not affect rights of the parties and the law will take its own course.
Speakasia is making fool to its penalist.
@Elex
Same old same old, “be patient” while they try to delay criminal proceedings as much as possible. Meanwhile Harendar Kaur and Manoj Kumar sip martinis on the beaches of Singapore and Dubai made from freshly squeezed panelist’s tears.
This has been going on since May 2011 and nothing has changed.
Ram Niwas Pal, Ram Sumiran Pal and their cousin “what’s his name” Pal are too “local”. They are on the top of local foodchains, but they don’t have the connections needed to organize it on a wider scale.
They have probably got a big piece of the cake in SpeakAsia, but the biggest piece of the cake is probably eaten by Manoj Kumar.
“DSA India” is a company, not an association. It might have had some functions in the 1990’ies, but in the last decade it has mostly acted as a point on Manoj Kumar’s CV.
BTW, Manoj Kumar has probably been back in India for more than 6 months, in hiding somewhere. Crossing borders is one of the biggest risks when you’re hiding from the police. So he’s probably back in Mumbai or the surrounding area.
It’s a description of the case rather than accusations of wrongdoing against the people, from the Judge’s hand. His statements in the order will not affect any rights, e.g. the right to have a case tried in a court (and HOW it should be handled in a court).
The Judge had to give some logical reasons for WHY the case was dismissed / disposed / withdrawn. So he had to show that the case was “criminal in nature”, rather than Constitutional. Other than that, the order is about the case and not about the people or anything they have done.
Section 1 and 2 are about the petition and how it has been handled in the court.
Section 3 – 7 are “descriptions” of some unproven aspects of the case. They can’t be used in other ways than that, “descriptions of unproven aspects of a case”.
Section 8 contains the actual decision, and the main reason for it. WRIT 383 was dismissed / withdrawn because of jurisdiction issues.
Section 9 and 10 contains some additional orders to lower courts and government agencies, about how to handle claims and about how to handle the deposited $10 million.
You can expect some failed attempts of something, but you can’t expect many results.
1. They are currently working on the RBI-part of the case, trying to make RBI order banks to accept transactions from/to SpeakAsia and Haren Ventures. That attempt will probably fail, because the RBI doesn’t “instruct” banks.
2. The other part of that is to use the Exit-option and try to pay some panelists. But that method is illegal.
You can NOT excpect to get any money in any official way, and I don’t beleive you can expect money in unofficial ways either.
To get any money in official ways, it has to be ordered by a court. And the order from the Supreme Court blocks payouts to individuals or small groups of people.
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If you like to discuss details in the order from the Supreme Court and how it can affect payment, I have posted the complete order in another (old) thread. Link in post #72 here will lead to analysing of the order (an overview of it).
I have learnt that two persons including one franchisee have been arrested and remanded to EOW custody for 14 days. I have also learnt that one of them has been brought from Lucknow.
Bahirwani and many others have gone underground.
Let us wait for the first charge sheet to be filed by EOW in Mumbai in about 5/6 weeks. Additional charge sheets can be filed later as the investigation into the largest Ponzi scam in India continues.
The largest number of Indian citizens in India’s history are victims in the Speak Asia Ponzi scam! May be the world?
Guinness Book of World Records please take note and update your data base!
Limca Book of Records may also update its data base!
Bahirwani dissappeared after the SC verdict. No updates were posted on AISPA website by him instead it was Team AISPA.
His right hand Aman Azad is managing the folks at Facebook powers page by spreading motivational messages. He made a joke of himself by posting 1st motivational msg of SC 383 writ by signing it as Jai Sacche Speakasians (Hail True Speakasians).
Lol, already panelist has read the aispa update and had posted that there was no positiveness in AISPA update, there was no Jai Speakasia, Jai AISPA at the end of updates of AISPA.
This guy Aman Azad came up with a new post day before yesterday and signed at the end, Jai Sacche Speakasians, Jai AISPA, Jai Speakasia.
As if adding those made his post positive after not putting it in previous posts.
Also some facebook users who are speakasia panelists in another group posted a link of allhitdeals facebook page, another ponzi scheme to prove that people who are part of speakasian powers page are actually professionals of MLM/Ponzi scheme.
I actually found some like Kamlesh Patel who is a regular at powers page and is always Jai SpeakAsia, he too is into another ponzi ie allhitdeals.
I hope EOW verifies all these professional ponzi guys at speakasia whose business is just joining ponzis and making downlines and making money.
I think these are the very guys who spread the speakasia fraud.
Since i am on mobile the link i am pasting is of Mobile facebook allhitdeals page
http://m.facebook.com/groups/312973592112792
Note 2 familiar names of speakasian powers page in this ponzi scheme, Ambresh Kala and Kamlesh Patel. I have noted only 2 but there are lots of same Jai Speakasia Powers page guys here too in allhitdeals.
Another facebook allhitdeals group showing speakasias users with their speakasia id advertising allhitdeals.
http://m.facebook.com/groups/247047755412822?refid=46
What supreme court noted and what has been posted on behindmlm is true ie these groups, pages and association has been formed by franchisees and senior panelists who are ponzi professionals and are trying to save themselves from EOW investigations by claiming innocent panelists.
When is Indian parliament sitting again?
http://zeenews.india.com/business/news/companies/sfio-probe-into-speakasia-affairs-hits-legal-hurdle_61382.html
@Sameer
Bahirwani was present in the hearing of CrWP 3611/11 on 26.09.12. His anticipatory bail application in the City Civil & Sessions Court is to be heard on 03.10.2012. That it will be rejected by the Court is a foregone conclusion in view of the Supreme Court orders of 19.09.12.
Both the persons arrested are franchisees – one from Lucknow and one from Mumbai.
Ashok Bahirwani chatted on facebook yesterday & sum1 asked wat is the time limit of investigation his reply was like this.
Unique business model and not a survey company. Is this not the same language the company itself was using after getting caught in the scam and removing the line Asia‘s Biggest Online Survey Company?
SpeakAsia was introduced as a survey company paying for surveys so whats unique about surveys?
There’s nothing “new and unique” about combining a Ponzi and pyramid scheme to create a hybrid.
It wasn’t new in 2010 and it’s certainly not new now.
Subject : Charter of Serious Fraud Investigation Office.
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Their part of an investigation is limited to Companies Act (1956).
Any idea what happened in the Thane/Raigad writ 3210 hearing today?
The Hearing today of Thane and Raigarh Matter has been adjourned for 16/10/12.
Franchisees in Lucknow
TURTLE INFORMATICS, Email ID: turtleinformatics@gmail.com
Bank Details Name : CENTRAL BANK OF INDIA Acc No: 3073089369. Branch: Hazratganj, Lucknow (Main Branch), Uttar Pradesh, India. IFSC Code: CBIN0280139. MICR Code: 226016002
Shreeya Info Media, Mobile : +91 9005830195 Email ID : shreeyainfomedia31@gmail.com
Bank Details Name : State Bank Of India Acc No: CA 31110744762, Branch: 15, Ashok marg, Hazratganj, Lucknow, IFSC Code: SBIN0003347 ,
S.S. BPO Services PVT LTD, Email: info.ssbpo@gmail.com
Bank Details Name : State Bank of India Acc No: 31624456624, Branch: Vrindavan Branch, VIP Road, Lucknow, IFSC Code: SBIN0012830, PAN : AAOCS9459E. .
Bank Details Name : HDFC Bank, Acc No: 7228630000121, Branch: Chander Nagar Gate, Alambagh, Lucknow-226005, IFSC Code: HDFC0000722, PAN : AAOCS9459E
Protocol Services and Consultancy, Mobile No.: 9335235362 Email ID: protocolserviceslko@gmail.com
Bank Details Name : ICICI BANK Acc No: 628105500142. Branch: 11, MG ROAD, HAZARAT GUNJ, LUCKNOW. 226001. IFSC Code: ICIC0006281. MICR Code: 226229002.
Navniit,
Visit this site http://www.venusmultilinks.com/. Almost all the franchisees & sub-franchisees of Lucknow worked through this distributor based in Jabalpur, Madhya Pradesh:
Venus Multi Links Pvt. Ltd.
NO.1 Plaza Level, Awtar complex, Gorakhpur, Jabalpur.
Customer Care : +91 – 9977411234
About Venus Multilinks and CMD
Mr. Amit Sabhlok, (SAOL Distributor, MP Vice President of AISPA.
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Another site to visit: http://speakasiaonlinemarketing.wordpress.com/
Another company at the same address:
ASSURE MULTITRADE PVT. LTD
NO.1 Plaza Level, Awtar complex,
Gorakhpur, Jabalpur.
Customer Care : +91 – 9977411234, 9202201234
WEBSITE : http://www.assuremultitrade.com
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Manoj Kumar (actual name Manoj Vashisht) may be hiding at:
Organization: RCS PARIVAR FINANCE LIMITED
Address: 911/912, 9TH FLOOR, 19 ARUNCHAL BUILDING , BARAKHA
City: New delhi
Phone: 9811004015
At http://speakasiaonlinemarketing.wordpress.com/ it is stated:
This numbers will helpful if SPEAKASIA RUN AWAY
Mr. Dilip 09225114495
Machhindra Waykar 9321306070
Suresh Padhi 9324304341
Pankaj Rao: 93790 59252
Melwyn Crasto: 9322221413
Machhindra Waykar: 9321306070
Suresh Padhi: 9324304341
Mr. Abhishek Kulshrestha : 09555574186
SOHAIL – +91 9620122229
G.B.GONDI – +91 9731098149
Mr. Abhishek Kulshrestha : 09555574186
Mr. Ritesh Pal – 09854457072,
Mr.SAMRAT GIGULA BASUMATARY – 09707048992,
Mr. SUNIL BAGLARY 09435084374
Mr. Pramod Kumar Pandey, Mob. 09336914182 and
Mr. Ashish Shrivastav: 9369777709
Anil Kureel: 9454344450
Abhishek: 9336122092
Deepankar Sarkar 9826666674,
Virendra Singh 9977864490,
Ashish Jha 9329599595
Mr. Nitin Patil – 09967436220,
Mr.Sudhir Kokate – 08007766800
More people involved at top level
Mr.Raman Chawala (M) +91 9317933500
Raj: 9349819349/9895990839
SATENDRA BASUMATARY 09854406815
SAMRAT GIGULA BASUMATARY 09707048992
BIBINDRA BASUMATARY 09435491260
SUNIL BAGLARY 09435084374
KALEN CH BRAHMA.M/NO-09957574518.
PREMUSH HAJOWARY.M/NO-09678003617.
BHUPATI KR BRAHMA.M/NO-09954804246
REBEN NARZAR 09859993215
Mr. Ritesh Pal – 09854457072
Mr.SAMRAT GIGULA BASUMATARY – 09707048992
Mr. SUNIL BAGLARY 09435084374
Anil Kureel: 9454344450
Abhishek: 9336122092
Mr. Pramod Kumar Pandey, Mob. 09336914182
Mr. Ashish Shrivastav: 9369777709
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The letters on Speakasia Marketing blog or Speakasia official blog is published by a panelist name Vivek Sharma.
Other Names:
Aman Azad
Aman Moudgill
Lived in: Mumbai, Jhansi, Chandigarh
Phone No:
9892375664
9320075664
See their photographs at: http://my.pho.to/amanmoudgill/s2/albums/aman_moudgill/
His correct name is Manoj Kumar Sharma.
There is no place such as BARAKHA in New Delhi. It is BARAKHAMBA ROAD, Adjacent to Connaught Place, New Delhi – 110 001. It is only one kilometer from the Supreme Court Complex.
Manoj Kumar has a Mumbai address where his wife and family resides. His wife Renu Sharma is also an accused in some of the cases connected with Speak Asia and her passport has been seized by the EOW. I would not like to put that address on record right now.
Saurabh Singh of TURTLE INFORMATICS has been arrested. He is not the main franchisee in Uttar Pradesh. One of the other names is the main franchisee and is not traceable.
I have access to much more information as I am the complainant in FIR no. 153/11 later renumbered as CR no. 60/11 and the trial in this case is being held in the Court of the 19th ACMM at the Esplanade Court (Qila Court) in Mumbai. I can inspect the case file with the permission of the Court and shall exercise this privilege henceforth.
Jutamaro
Is the EOW going to investigate Vivek Sharma the panelist who is publishing the Speakasia Marketing blog?
EOW will have to take help of cyber crime division of Mumbai police who in turn can investigate from which IP Address the blog is getting published.
If that is disclosed by EOW and the person involved caught only then the truth of AISPA will be out in open as AISPA was and always endorses speakasia marketing as official blog of speakasia.
So Amit Sablok was a speakasia distributor who helped speakasia management spread lies of being a survey company and must have made loads of money and is now claiming to be a innocent panelist.
@Navniit
That could be another franchisee in Lucknow who was not mentioned in my earlier list is Akash Mishra, K1-1447 Ashiana, Lucknow, Mobile # 9795102210.
Akash was a franchisee of Mr. Amit Sabhlok of Venus Multilinks, Jabalpur, Madhya Pradesh on whose instructions Akash used to deposit cash of new members in some bank. He also used to adjust new membership fees against RPs of members bringing in new suckers.
There was always a lot of activity at the residence of Akash along with heavy cash flows. Akash seems to have “retired” now and works in the hotel industry in Lucknow.
@Navniit
There was a typo error. I was to put a question mark after “actual name Manoj Vashisht”.
Just go through the site mentioned by me: speakasiaonlinemarketing.wordpress.com/ There is much more information there then what I have posted. Seems like an “unhappy” insider is spilling the beans.
Gr8! The game of back stabbing by “disillusioned” senior panelists or sepois has begun as AISPA/Speakasia management is now unable to save their arse from sniffer cops/CBI/CID/EoW/Court.
I have found a list of 57 franchisees (on 18 webpages), in case someone is interested. Complete with details, but I only copied district and name. The list is from May and June 2011.
http://indiafranchisees.blogspot.no/2011/05/maharashtra.html
@ Jutamaro / Navniit Kkhosla
The “unhappy” insider has revealed the name and complete contact details of Pankaj L. Shah who can provide a mine of information about Speak Asia to EOW.
Pankaj is Director of Direct Marketing Association, India. Manoj Kumar who claims to the founder of Direct Marketing Association, India in 1996 brought in his friend Pankaj as Country Coordinator of Speak Asia right from the start of Speak Asia’s operations in India in May 2010.
By October 2010, Pankaj felt that SpeaK Asia was about to collapse so he resigned in line with his pet MLM strategy “Early entry and early exit”. He was replaced by Tarak Bajpai who jacked up Speak Asia to dizzy heights before its unexpected sudden crash landing in May 2011.
Navniit Kkhosla, with a little nudging, EOW will find Dr. Jekyl and Mr. Hyde personality Pankaj Shah readily singing like a canary about Speak Asia’s hitherto unknown operational secrets.
Other accused like Ram Sumiran Pal, Ram Niwas Pal, Haren Kaur, Manoj Kumar, Tarak Bajpai, Machhindra Waykar, Ashok Bahirwani, Melwin Crasto, Amit Sablok, etc. are too deeply and financially involved in the scam and hence tough nuts to crack for EOW.
Anyone got any idea what went down yesterday at Bahirwani’s bail application?
There’s a lot of unhappy Speak Asians over at SpeakAsia.mobi.
This is posted on the online newspaper The Bhaskars website comments:
Further it is written that he has fooled maximum number of speakasians.
Bahirwani was absent in Court and as the order in CrWP 3611/11 has also not been posted as yet the bail application has been adjourned to 17.10.2012.
Thanks for that Navniit.
Here’s the latest from TOI:
“Transactions” involving AISPA management? Who’d have thought…
@ oz
After the arrest of Suresh Padhi next in line are Machhindra Waykar, Mumbai based distributor and the real masterminds, Ram Sumiran Pal and Ram Niwas Pal.
Ashok Bahirwani and his lackey Vivek Sharma alias Aman Azad have gone underground.
Red Corner Alerts against Manoj Kumar and Haren Kaur will be out soon.
Hopefully EOW will move fast to freeze US$ 10 mn deposit lying with UCO Bank, Supreme Court Branch as this is Panelists’ money.
@ Navniit Kkhosla
Who are respondent nos. 3 and 4? I presume they are Haren Ventures and Speak Asia Online Pte. Ltd. However, the Court Order states “whatever we have stated above would not affect rights of the parties and the law will take its own course”.
Hope EOW will move fast to freeze the US$ 10 mn deposit.
Navniit, you may please also bring this matter to EOW’s notice before this money is also siphoned away by Speak Asia.
@ oz
Today Speak Asia Corporate Marketing Group has dangled a carrot of releasing payments to Exiters:
There is no clarity about the total amount, source, mode of payment and RBI/Banks’ official authorisation/no objection for the same particularly when Speak Asia is facing criminal proceedings and Speak Asia and its distributors’ funds lying in Banks in India are frozen and US$ 10 mn deposit is also likely to be frozen.
Making non-transparent payments to an arbitrarily chosen “test batch” and then seeking approval from authorities for payments to lakhs of Exiters is a clever strategy to delay the entire process. Banks in India normally offer facility of bulk payments to very large groups of recepients.
RBI gives approvals/delegates powers to the banks as authorised dealers and not to the corporates as banks’ customers. It is the job of the chosen bank to take regulatory approvals in advance, if required.
Making announcements for payments is not the job of Corporate Marketing Group but it is a Corporate Finace function. Such an important announcement must be made by the top management of Speak Asia and the full scheme must be clarified in a professional manner so that the Exiters know in advance exactly what they can expect to get.
Earlier, several commentators have pointed out that the Exit scheme is full of holes and the Exiters will get a shock once they come to know the actual amount receivable under the Exit scheme.
This brief announcement appears to be just a panic knee-jerk attempt to buy some more time to save the skins of the mastermind and the persons close to him who must have prevailed upon the mastermind to arrange some token statement to pacify the agitated panelists who may get violent once US$ 10 mn deposit is also frozen and may put pressure on EOW to catch the big fish who have managed to evade till now.
@Observer
“Stated above” in Section #10 is probably referring to the other sections. sections 1-9.
The logic in the order goes like this:
1. How the case started, the petition
2. What has been ordered in the court so far
* 14.11.2011 Mediation ordered
* 03.01.2012 Mediation report finished
* 06.02.2012 $10 million deposit ordered
* 23.02.2012 How to store the $10 million
3-7. Some details that has affected the current order
* 3-5 Affidavit of 13.03.2012
* 6-7 Affidavit of 15.09.2012
8. Conclusion for section 1-7
* Not an Article 32 case
* Allow a voluntarily withdrawal of the petition
* Investigation will have to continue
9. Additional conclusion
* Mediation recalled, “Equality before the law”
10. The actual order
* Return the $10 million
* The case is concluded, and will not affect any rights
THE $10 MILLION
The $10 million was ORDERED deposited by the Supreme Court on 06.02.2012, based on the recommendation in the mediation report from 03.01.2012.
The money was transferred 20.02.2012.
Further order about HOW it should be solved was issued 23.02.2012.
At the date of the final order (19.09.2012), the money was deposited in an account belonging to “The Registrar, Supreme Court of India”, and ordered to be transferred back to respondents nos. 3 and 4, probably the same way the money came in (or how the affected parties decided to solve it).
I seriously doubt the EOW or anyone else will try to freeze an account belonging to “The Registrar, Supreme Court of India” in UCO Bank. The money was probably transferred back to Singapore within a few days or so after the order.
Respondent no. 3 is Speak Asia Online Pte. Ltd.
Respondent no. 4 is Haren Ventures Pte. Ltd.
@ M_Norway
Had Supreme Court Judges wanted to restrict the interpretation, they would have written in the Order “as Stated above in Sections 1-9 above.”
Since the Court Order states “whatever we have stated above would not affect rights of the parties and the law will take its own course,” we have to interpret it literally to include deposit of US$ 10 mn as well.
Pursuant to the Court Order, this deposit has become litigants’ tainted money (which was cheated from the panelists) temporarily lying in Regisrar’s account. With a Court Order to be obtained by EOW, the particular deposit amount can be frozen without affecting other operations of the Registrar’s Account.
Actually, this amount was placed by the Registrar as a fixed deposit with UCO Bank, Supreme Court Compound and only this particular deposit with UCO Bank needs to be frozen with Court Order.
As an example, many Swiss Bank accounts of foreign residents carry tainted deposits. As and when requested by foreign governments, specific deposits are frozen by the concerned Swiss Bank and meant to be eventually repatriated for confiscation in the parent country.
It’s relatively difficult to get a court order about freezing an account belonging to “The Registrar, Supreme Court of India”. We’re not talking about an ordinary criminal here. 🙂
My prediction is that neither EOW nor ED will be very eager in any attempts to freeze the account, or in trying to interfere with any transactions. The money would probably have been safe from any actions even if it had been transferred to a local Indian account, e.g. to one of the lawfirms client’s accounts.
The order is relatively clear:
The first part is CLEAR. “The money has to be returned to respondent no. 3 and 4. It is so ordered”. The part about the money finishes there, “It is so ordered”.
The unclear part is related to that the petition has been withdrawn, and whatever they have stated above will not affect any rights of the parties.
“The parties” are the 115 petitioners, SAOL, Haren Ventures, EOW, RBI and one or two other Government agencies. Government agencies do usually NOT have any “rights” that has to be protected by the court.
The test batch will most likely be selective payments to those needing more money to continue to create confusion now that their court cases have been taken away from them.
There was never an official exit option, just some shonky website with zero verification that accepted data entered from anyone.
Besides, an exit option has no impact on the ramifications of running the largest Ponzi scheme in Indian history. As with writ 383, 3611 and all the rest, this is simply more misdirection in the face of an escalatingly progressive criminal investigation into Speak Asia.
As per both the 3611 Mumbai High Court and 383 SC orders, the courts feel its their duty to get out of the way and let the authorities do their job. Token announcement about selective payments (to top panelists?) has no impact on that, other than possible reducing the amount able to be paid back to panelist once it disappears to the panelists management deem “worthy” under the guise of the exit scheme.
…Bahirwani and the rest of AISPA management no doubt need a new legal defense fund.
Right from the first time I set my eyes on the website of Speak Asia in February, 2011 there were always two modes of payment of the dues of the investors in the survey scheme run by it:
1. Direct to the Bank account of the investor from the Bank account of Speak Asia.
2. Alternately through a Banker’s cheque sent to the address of the investor which was registered with Speak Asia at the time filling the online form while investing the money in order to become eligible to fill the surveys and to be paid for the same.
Immediately after 11.05.2011 this second option was quietly deleted from the website of Speak Asia. It is part of my complaint registered as FIR No. 153/11.
Speak Asia always had the option of directing its Bank to issue Banker’s cheques and sending it to the investors who were owed money. There was no permission required to send payment by Banker’s cheques to individual investors.
All the investors I have met have said that they perceive the exit scheme to be unfair to the investors. Speak Asia has to pay to the investors the principal amount invested, dues for the surveys completed as well as the interest payment on both these payments from the date of shutdown – 11.05.2011.
I fail to see how these payments will now be made!
To my mind blocking the repatriation of the 10 million USD brought to India by Speak Asia and Haren Ventures should have been ensured by EOW, Mumbai. It is the money of the investors. I do not know the status.
EOW Mumbai or ED Mumbai may have moved an application before the appropriate authorities / Court for ensuring that the USD 10 million is not repatriated. I will check and post the exact status!
Payouts like that has never been possible for the whole group of investors. There’s a difference between “claimable” and “payable”.
All investors have a claim against SpeakAsia and related companies / management, equal to their principal investments (MONEY they have paid in minus MONEY they have withdrawn). They can probably forget other claims.
That is the PRIMARY claim. Other claims from investors will have a lower rank, and will probably not be payable. Other claims are more questionable.
SURVEYS = SCAM
The surveys was a SCAM. People have lost TIME doing them, but they havent’t lost any money.
It wasn’t real work. It was a part of the scam, and needed to make people FEEL they generated some income.
BINARY PLAN = SCAM
Recruiting people into a Ponzi scheme pays an illegal reward for the recruiter and his upline. Neither of them have any legal claims for being rewarded for that.
REWARD POINTS = SCAM
Reward Points earned was a SCAM. People who have reinvested reward points haven’t lost any money, they have only lost reward points.
The purpose of the reward points was to prevent people from withdrawing too much money and causing the scheme to collapse.
Earlier also i have commented here ..there are so many doubts arising….I belong from Assam one of the state of India located in the North east of India bordering Myanmar…
I have joined Speak asia last year in the month of May since then i did’nt got a single penny..tried to case a file bt my senior penalist warned me not to file case n he assured me dat our money will b given back …
i had also applied for Exit Option….Now received an e mail frm Aispa dat Exit option is under processing n within couple of weeks our principle amnt will b given back…
Now i have a request to experts of this site to kindly tell me ur point of view..Will our Principle amnt will b given back in this current situation…n..if not in a couple of weeks will company will refund our money in the coming days…
Kindly explain me in a simple way…will b very grateful for ur all kind response..thanks.
Given that exit options have nothing to do with the criminal investigation side of things, and there’s no courts to appease now and pretend like you have enough money to pay everyone out, I doubt anyone except those in key positions will get any money.
The logic behind the exit option makes no sense (never has), and along with the mountains of unverifiable data received, paying anything out using this data makes even less sense.
@Navnit khosla….khosla ji want to know ur point of view regarding Exit Option…
@oz…thanks for ur response…dat means in ur point of view there is no chance getting our money back.
I know, I answered one of the questions about using the EXIT option in late March.
That sounded relatively safe to use.
* “principal amount” makes it more difficult to cheat you than “subscription fee”.
* if the letter was from AISPA (rather than SpeakAsia) it’s even more safe to use.
The risk is relatively low here, as far as I can see. The offer is also “fair enough”, you will lose very little money.
I have only calculated the risk here, and I know nothing about whether they will be able to pay or not.
One of the factors I have calculated is their need for restoring reputation and trust. If they pay a group of people their principal investments, they can say:
* “It’s not we who are the problem here, it’s the Government (they won’t give us access to the database)” or whatever reason they can find to direct the problem away from themselves.
Another factor I have calculated is that they HAVE $10 million available that CAN be used to pay off some people, probably through AISPA. Payouts through SpeakAsia will probably be stopped, but payouts through AISPA can work.
So the short explanation is that I have calculated different motives — “Why should we do it” and “How can we solve it” — rather than the facts in the case.
The plain facts in the case tells me that repayments to investors will have to be solved in court, for the whole group of investors rather than on individual basis.
@M _Norway…Thanks a lot ..:-)
@Hotoi Sema
I didn’t post my initial answer. It was relatively similar to Oz’ answer but with far more details, covering ALL investors rather than individual ones. The plain facts in the case tells me that the EXIT option will not work for most investors.
By analysing the motives behind that solution, it may be possible to place you higher up in the list for people who can receive their refunds that way, in the first or second “test payouts”.
From memory:
* You had a relatively low investment, 2 or 3 panels or so = 22,000 – 33,000 Rs = “affordable amount to pay back”.
* You were willing to accept a minor loss, like the one suggested by Aman Azad and Ashok Bahirwani = get 10,000 out of 11,000 back. You have already accepted that idea.
* You were NOT very eager to fight the case in court, e.g. joining a FIR or similar actions, unless it was really necessary to do so.
* A voluntarily solution like the EXIT option was a “preferred solution” for you, as long as there’s little risk of being cheated. “Preferred” is compared to have it solved in a court.
* You’re partly representing a group of 70 people or so, not officially but in that you’re communicating with a local group of panelists.
* You’re NOT part of the management or anything similar, and you’re not suspected for being part of it either.
* You’re communicating on the internet, e.g. here on this website. You will probably tell about it if the EXIT option works for you.
Some of these points should make it possible to place you higher up in a list if they are able to identify you, and if I have interpreted some of their motives correctly (e.g. the need for restoring some reputation and trust).
Paying someone who feels relatively satisfied with the solution will have a “higher value” than paying someone who feels cheated. You have already ACCEPTED the solution, so you won’t feel cheated.
Paying someone who communicates if the solution works will have a higher value than paying someone who don’t communicate it. WHERE they communicate it can also add some value, and this website can clearly add some value to it.
Etc. for most of the other points.
CONCLUSION
All in all, I calculated your chances for receiving refund this way to be relatively good. I haven’t been able to identify the chances for other people in your group, but try to solve your own part of the problem before you try to solve others’?
RISKS
Refund to a small group of investors may be illegal, but the courts have NOT prohibited solutions like that. On the contrary, they have accepted a similar solution in Kkhosla’s case — the court only stated that the settlement couldn’t be used to quash FIR 60 (nothing about the legality of the settlement itself). Refund through AISPA will be very similar to a settlement.
So the risks I have detected seems to be solvable / not very risky.
My final conclusion here is that it’s probably “worth it”. The EXIT option may work for you, and the risks seems to be relatively low.
SpeakAsia ex-COO held
Source
http://www.dnaindia.com/mumbai/report_speakasia-ex-coo-held_1750874
@M_Norway….My Total investment is Rs. 20,0000/- (2 lacs only) + extra 3000/- …N upto Aug ‘2011 my total income was 1,60000/- ( income frm 3 i.ds.)….
@Hotoi Sema
Speakasia is talking about subscription amount = 11,000 Rs. So forget about your investment or file an FIR with CR 60 at EOW Mumbai.
(You can still access the exit registration page without accepting any conditions www . speakasiamarketing . com/form . php)
Without a name and designation all updates from marketing team has no value. Remember nothing has changed from May 2011 for Speakasia so they can pay the exit option-er now.
@Andy…..The site speakasiamarketing.com shows Exit Option under processing…
WP 383 is showing pending status at supreme court site and listed for 29/10/2012. What going on???
Dear Ozy, I need your expertise here..
as i feel you are the only one with brains here…
@ NK, I think you must would be aware what the hell does it means..
CWP 383/11 is listed for hearing on 29.10.12!
False affidavits have been filed in the Supreme Court.
A website claimed that a senior advocate claimed in the proceedings in the Supreme Court that Speak Asia was superior to Ebay! There have been other wonderful claims as well! Wow!
I wonder how Speak Asia was able to get away with these claims!
I am sure the Government agencies are behind the restart of the hearings in CWP 383 of 2011!
The USD 10 million must not be sent out of India! It is the money of panelists!
Watch the fireworks and fun when the case is actually heard on 29.10.12 in the Supreme Court.
Mr. Navniit Tarachand Kkhosla,
Be ready for the trials of FIR 60/2011. Not only five are culprits in this FIR, you too will be questioned now for your unfair money dealing with AISPA and it may be possible your unfair money dealing with AISPA will be rejected as like as CRWP/3611/2011.
Bombay high court had defined nothing in that context till the date 26/9/2012. Be ready for the trials.
You forgot to include yourself as “one with brains”? 🙂
Seems u got hurt..My apologies
But i am wondering that how can SC list a case for hearing when its disposal had already been ordered??
Dear NK, Thanks for the info. But can u please elaborate wat are false affidavits and how they are filed??
Dunno if it exists in India but you can file a reconsideration request to have the judge’s go over their ruling.
Highly unlikely to succeed but maybe that’s what happened, or as Kkhosla suggested maybe it’s the police going after the money. Pending further information (and the noteable lack of information about the proceeding provided by the ringleaders), we’ll just have to see I guess.
A false affidavit is simply a sworn statement that contains false information. Like that clown lawyer who was never heard from again after he told the SC that Speak Asia had been using a business model they never implemented.
Affidavits, whether false or true are filed in the same manner with the court. The penalties of perjury are supposed to be sufficient enough to prevent false information from being filed but it doesn’t stop anyone from doing it if they wish.
@Ravi shankar misra
I will answer the above after you have provided proof of your identity! I hope you are not fronting for an absconding accused or suspect whom the EOW, Mumbai is looking for to conduct custodial interrogation!
My identity and actions are in the public domain and my complaint has traveled from the the local Police Station Nirmal Nagar, Mumbai to the EOW, Mumbai to the ACMM, Mumbai to the Bombay High Court and to the Supreme Court of India.
None of the Hon’ble Judges or the Police officers have, till now, termed my money dealings as unfair! You must be aware of the results of my actions!
I now await proof of identity so that I can reveal to you what other investors are planning to do in the Supreme Court of India by the next date of hearing!
It’s called “Review petition”, and has to be filed within 30 days from the judgement date.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Review_petition
Cheers for that Norway, could be that then. AISPA and what not were harping on about talking to their counsel to see where to go next.
They have little no options so a reconsideration request might be their last ditch effort before disappearing underground altogether (note the dead silence from AISPA after the decision).
More information for Tulsient:
http://companycheck.co.uk/company/04039425
John Brandon Sless
http://company-director-check.co.uk/director/912342265
Mohammed Sutarwala
http://ae.linkedin.com/in/sutarwala
http://www.blogger.com/profile/00773673651138633338
Tulsient has a base in Singapore headed by Mrs. Geetanjali KANNAN.
http://sg.linkedin.com/pub/geetanjali-kannan/10/63a/193
Phone 65 65083700
Tulsient Middle East Inc operates the Middle East business from Dubai. Headed by Mr. Vinod Bhatia.
India
More People involved with this company:
Mr. Pankaj Patel
Mrs Veena Gursahani
Mr. Sanjiv Nangia
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More people involved at top level from SpeakAsia (may be some people are victims)
AMIT KONDAL – https://plus.google.com/106648091849939972226
http://speakasiaonlineindia.wordpress.com/
http://www.strategyindia.com/blog/2010/11/speak-asia-on-line-is-it-ok-or-fake/
CHIRAG BHANDARI – Zonal Manager, North & West
Phone No # 9768002221, (may be 7499919780)
JASRAWAT SINGH – FRANCHISE OF HARYANA
Phone No # 8059081747, 9729616737
Email: Js_yadavin@yahoo.co.in, tojasrawatsingh@gmail.com
ARUNAV CHALIHA – RM, DELHI
Phone No # 9990390505.
http://www.inregistry.in/system/files/Speakasiaonlinecoin.pdf
Mr. Chirag Bhandari (Zonal Manager, North & West)
Phone No # 9768002221, (may be 7499919780)
Mr. Anil Raka (Regional Manager, Rajasthan)
Mr. Vijay Yogi (Area Manager, Kota).
Dissolved in 2002.
Source: companieshouse.gov.uk
The SC 383 case is showing the 29th Oct date as AISPA has filed a request for
1. The 50 crore deposited not to be sent back to singapore and be disbursed amongst exit optioners
and
2. To provide all speakasians a 72 hours cover from being arrested ie before arresting any speakasian EOW has to give 72 hours notice just like bahirwani had
I think the 2nd point is to prevent EOW from arresting Vivek Sharma alias Aman Azad whose brother in law in Manoj Kumar Sharma the CEO and mastermind of speakasia who is absconding.
@ Sameer
Both the pleas by AISPA are childish and are being made to give false sense of assuarance to panelists for a short while as explained below.
1. Just like Supreme Court’s refusal to selectively favour 115 petitioners, the same logic applies in case of some panelists applying for Exit Scheme which itself is full of loopholes.
In fact, EOW will press for confiscation of the swindled deposit amount instead of letting it to be passed on to the accused facing trial in extremely seroius criminal cases.
2. It is foolish to expect a blanket 72 hours cover for all Tom, Dick and Harry “speakasians” from being arrested. Just like Bahirwani, each individual fearing imminent arrest will need to apply for such a relief exclusively for him/her from the Court.
AISPA has run out of viable ideas and is now carelessly throwing panelists’ money obtained from Speak Asia management for such foolish and panicky knee-jerk moves.
Point 1 makes it look like someone is stuck in his own fantasy world, where the reality has been replaced by an imaginary one.
Point 2 makes some sense if the fantasy world belongs to Bahirwani. That plea worked the last time he tried it in another court, so why not trying it again? 🙂
SpeakAsia’s management seems to be unable to change strategy even when the situation itself has changed. These two points are “unsolvable in court” in the current situation.
Point 1 makes very little sense. WRIT 383 was dismissed / withdrawn because of jurisdiction issues, i.e. “the case is criminal in nature”. That hasn’t changed.
Point 2 makes very little sense. WRIT 383 was about the right to payment for the 115 petitioners. The plea about a 72 hours general cover for ALL Speakasians from being arrested seems to be slightly “off-topic” from the case itself?
EXIT OPTION
It seems like the EXIT option is dependant on support from the court to be performed, or that support from the court is so important that payments otherwise will be meaningless — or both of these factors.
I can see two points where the Exit option is dependant on an order from a court:
1. Access to the database, to verify the individual claims.
2. Making sure the banks (or Government agencies) will allow transactions without any trouble.
None of these two points seems to be likely to happen.
it’s going to get denied, because that 50 crore was a “bond” for 383. Now that 383 no longer exists, it’s far more likely that EOW is going to freeze that money (if it can). Nobody is going to simply hand it over to AISPA for “exit option” which was never sanctioned by any court.
And the reason for doing so is what, exactly?
And why is AISPA managing the exit option, we all know it was made up but by all accounts it’s been thus far pushed as having come from Speak Asia management.
Doesn’t AISPA handling it only further crush the “we are not running Speak Asia” mantra they keep? I’ve been saying AISPA were defacto local management for a while, it’d be nice if they finally admitted it.
Can anyone please tell mw wat was the consequances of today’s hearing so far no update from Aispa..
The consequences depend on what happened today.
If AISPA are silent about it that usually means things didn’t work out well for Speak Asia. What they usually do then is use the time between now and when the order is uploaded to spin things as positively as they can.
Just got an e-mail from Aispa..Here it is… Respected
as update by mobi admin
Might just be my ignorance in such matters showing but with multiple criminal investigations open, a chargesheet filed and the authorities all working together, asking for FIRs to be clubbed seems to be nothing more than an excercise in wasting panelist money?
Today Raigarh & Thane matter was heard in the Bombay High Court. Court has advised to amend the pray that both the FIRs be clubbed with the main FIR no. 60 filed with EOW-Mumbai instead of that both the FIRs (Raigarh & Thane) be quashed.
If the writ petition is not modified as suggested by the Court then the Writ will get dismissed.
Anyway this is a negative development for Speak Asia as Raigarh and Thane thane police lack the expertise of EOW to screw Speak Asia nicely.
@Hotoi Sema
If you relied on the Exit option, you’re probably back to where you were in March 2012. “The Exit option is in progress, we will ONLY need some orders from the court first, giving us access to the database and instructing the banks to allow transactions”. 🙂
I guessed they had a NEW plan when they announced the Exit option this last time, because of the planned “test payouts” and similar stuff.
But you’re probably closer to a solution now (in TIME) than you were in March. The Exit option haven’t had much progress, but other parts of the case has become clearer.
EXIT OPTION – ACCESS TO THE DATABASE
This is needed for several reasons.
* They will need to verify the data from the Exit option forms. The form accepted all kinds of bogus inputs.
* They will need the payment system, the program that transfers money from SpeakAsia to the individual panelists.
* The Exit option isn’t solely about payment, the most important part (for the management) is to reduce the claims against themselves / the company. So WHEN or IF they make a single payout, they will need to reduce the reward points paid to upline, several levels up in some cases.
SpeakAsia’s management have SOME motives for spending SOME money to pay SOME people through a voluntarily solution, e.g. so they can reduce some claims and restore some trust and reputation. They probably had “green light” (from Manoj Kumar) to use the 50 crore ($10 million USD) in that way.
EXIT OPTION – BANKS
Payments to a few people could probably be “fixed” in some way or another. Payments to many people will be a serious risk if the banks won’t allow transactions from SpeakAsia.
This problem is “solvable”, but the methods for solving it aren’t exactly 100% legal.
So the most serious issue is access to the database, as far as I can see.
CURRENT STATUS OF THE CASE
* the current claims in the review petition for WRIT 383 seems to be “unsolvable in court” and will probaly be rejected.
* SpeakAsia is a criminal case. Claims about restitution for the investors will probably be a part of the criminal case. I don’t have enough information here.
* The Exit option as a solution seems to have failed completely, but you might hear about a few “test payouts” to some people. Payouts like that doesn’t mean the Exit option payouts are in progress.
* Known “bottlenecks” now are:
A. the criminal investigation, it will probably go on for a long time before it’s finished.
B. SFIO Serious Fraud Investigation Office (MCA) should normally take some “leadership” over part of the case. Check post #93 and #97 in this thread. Currently there’s no leadership communicating with the investors, e.g. telling them whether they should file claims or not, or HOW they should do it.
Now that EOW is freed from all obstacles to pursue Speak Asia scamsters, some more developments will follow soon.
1. Deposit of US$ 10 mn will be confiscated based on the pleas to be submitted by EOW and Enforcement Directorate.
Exit Scheme will be a nonstarter as Ashok Bahirwani hoped to use this deposit refund for payment for Exiters.
2. Based on some deep confessional revelations by erstwhile COO Pankaj Shah who was arrested by EOW a week ago, some top level panelists/franchisees/masterminds like Ram Sumiran Pal, Ram Niwas Pal, Machhindra Waykar, Amit Sabhlok, Renu Sharma (Manoj Kumar’s wife), Vivek Sharma alias Aman Azad (Manoj Kumar’s brother-in-law) will be arrested soon.
3. Red Corner Notices against Manoj Kumar Sharma and Haren Kaur may be issued even before filing of a charge sheet by EOW.
4. Investigative teams will go abroad to probe money trail for funds remitted from India.
Speak Asia scamsters made an unexpected and unprecedented huge illegal gains in 12 months and they were confidently talking of continuing unhindered for at least till end of 2011. Unfortunately for them the scam collapsed suddenly in May 2011.
They had to quickly come out with plans to save their skins and more than Rs 1000 crore cornered by themselves. For this they didn’t mind throwing wads of notes on lawyers, persons in authority and lackeys like Ashok Bahirwani and Melwin Crasto.
No wonder that the real masterminds are yet to be caught although their names were revealed immediately after collapse of the pyramid scheme.
Now the big fish have exhausted all options and they have to run and run before the long hands of law grab their necks. Speak Asia will make history. There may be a film on this subject in future.
Fearing imminent arrest, Vivek Sharma alias Aman Azad (Manoj Kumar’s brother-in-law) has deleted his photograph and replaced it with a symbol on Speakasian Powers blog.
If EOW does not catch the big fish soon, this is a fit case for expose by Arvind Kejriwal of India Against Corruption. (By the way he is just now going to expose BJP President’s involvement in corruption.)
AISPA has filed a Special Leave Petition in Supreme Court of India challenging Mumbai High Court Order of allowing EOW to continue the investigation.
Their main point is Navniit Khosla has withdraw the complaint and there is no basis for EOW investigation to continue.
I dont understand how long will AISPA keep playing games?
They desperately want to avoid the investigation and on the other hand they say company is ready to cooperate with all agencies in investigation, what double standard games.
I think it’s a little late for that AISPA. The SC has made it abundantly clear the investigations are to continue.
Speak Asia’s charade of “we will co-operate with the authorities on every level” whilst using AISPA to stall things as much as possible is tiring.
In other news, sounds like the Pal brothers are on the wanted list:
Tick tock… tick tock…
http://www.financialexpress.com/news/speak-asia-scam-actor-rajpal-yadav-quizzed/1018774/
This from the Hyderbad print version of the Deccan Chronicle:
Meanwhile Speak Asia are busy distributing selected payments to members under the guise of “exit payments”, presumably so that when the trial starts they can crap on about paying people.
Quite obviously though they don’t have 3,295 crore (the highest figure I’ve seen yet), so it’s all just a waste of time. Well, that and paying a few of your buddies doesn’t negate the fact that you ran the biggest Ponzi/pyramid scheme India has ever seen.
Also from the Mumbai Mirror:
Bajpai and Pal were airforce buddies, well there’s a big surprise.
Finally after a long wait i received comformation Exit Option e-mail from Speak Asia but am confused as they are asking me to attach mobile bills as i can’t give details because i am not using dat number n it was a prepaid number…
@ Hotoi Sema
SAOL had originally introduced EXIT Option on Sept 10, 2011 and the last date for submitting application for the same was Mar 31, 2012. At that time most of the panelists expressed inability to provide information like date of joining, sponsor ID, etc which were relaxed by SAOL as per following clarifications offered at that time.
1. Approximately how many days it will take to get the cash into my bank account?
Depends on RBI, already mentioned on the website.
2. Information like Sponsor ID, date of joining is not available, where to get the same as our website is not working?
Basic information will have to be inserted however the date of joining & sponsor ID have now been made non mandatory fields.
3. Bank details not updated in the profile, in such case what will happen?
Wait till company resumes full operations.
4. Bank details updated only in one ID out of tripod? What is to be done?
Firstly there is nothing as a tripod, secondly refer the above answer for rest.
5. Term says payout only after government approval ? What is the probability of approval and by when?
Matter is sub-judice.
6. What will be the mode of payment ?
Bank transfer only.
7. Will there be any deduction like bank charges?
Probably Panelist will get a exit confirmation mail with details after EOW hands over the servers back to the company and if the payment is done through Telegraphic transfer, charges may apply.
8. Can somebody make only partial exit. For instance a member having 9 sub panels along with main panel but wants to exit only sub panel. Is it possible?
No partial exit option available, Exit means full exit.
9. Will a member once exit from the system be allowed to rejoin again in future?
Terms and condition will be known after the website resumes.
It is observed that there is no change in the status quo since more than one year ago when Exit Option was originally proposed by SAOL. SAOL can not calculate dues payable to individual panelists under the Exit Option until the website is released by EOW to SAOL. The website will not be released as long as criminal case investigations / trials are continuing against SAOL.
SAOL is simply fooling the panelists by buying time by repeating the same and some more stringent queries which can not be answered by most of the Exit seekers.
Any way EXIT Option is a nonstarter.
All the Jay SpeakAsians will turn against SAOL once they realise that they are being taken for a royal ride by SAOL cronies like Ashok Bahirwani.
The highest figure I have seen is 4,800 crore (source 1), plus 1,052 crore already paid out (source 2). It means the total amount collected from investors was close to 6,000 crore (or more).
The original source #1 was from late May 2011, an update from Haren Kaur. Source #2 was one of the updates from EOW, in a dnaindia article.
Source #2:
4,800 cr? Pheeew, that’ll fund a great deal many months hiding out in Dubai.
The latest from the Corporate Affairs Ministry (Economic Times):
Reading between the lines, it sounds as if they might be waiting for this bill to be passed? (no idea how long a bill is passed after discussions in parliament in India).
And who remembers all that bullshit about establishing a Speak Asia office in India that went on for months lol.
@Oz
I remember Oz. I was informed that Speak Asia was opening a Corporate Office in Goregaon (West), Mumbai and that the office premises had been purchased. Further I was informed that the interior decoration work was in progress in the Speak Asia office and was likely to be completed by 30th April, 2011.
The address was not disclosed by my upline and I was informed that it was being kept confidential as there would be a formal inauguration with full media coverage!
There was full and unforgettable media coverage for Speak Asia after 30th April, 2012 but it was to lead to its shutdown and not celebrate the opening of a Corporate Office by a MNC!
The problem was probably caused by “thinking inside the box” when SFIO was established. It seems like they have had a general idea that ALL serious frauds will automatically be about MCA registered companies. 🙂
In THEORY, the SFIO should be able to take leadership over an investigation and organise it, using other agencies when needed. The theory fails if the fraud is performed by an unregistered entity.
The intentions might have been good when SFIO was established, but the ideas have some flaws that needs to be corrected.
* Having a “leadership organisation” is a good idea in itself.
* Limiting that organisation’s jurisdiction to one specific “low ranked” law is a major flaw.
SFIO is first of all limited to Companies Act (1956). A fraud has to be registered as a company in the MCA registry to be within the jurisdiction of SFIO.
Found on the internet:
@M_Norway — According to companies act, it still requires corporation formed outside India to be corporations, and thus subject to companies act. (Section 2.7)
Furthermore, Section 591 of same act is specifically aimed at foreign companies operating within India, along with prescribed penalties for violations thereof.
http://www.vakilno1.com/bareacts/companiesact/companiesacts.htm
So SFIO “not having jurisdiction”? I’m sure they can come up with an interpretation that would have given them jurisdiction.
@Hotoi Sema
Don’t worry mobile number is not mandatory speakasiaonline.com/services/
… does not include … any other body corporate … not being a company as defined in this Act.
“As defined in this Act” means registered through Indian laws.
SFIO seems to have a major flaw in its jurisdiction. They must have assumed that all financial frauds would follow the law and register an Indian company.
SFIO will first of all need a wider definition for its own jurisdiction, so it can cover both fake and real companies.
“Fake” was used in the meaning of “not registered as a company in India”. They HAVE a definition for “unregistered company” in section 582, but that is about winding up a company.
Sections 591-608 are mostly about registration of a foreign registered company in India, e.g. How to register, Where to deliver documents, Penalties for not registering, etc.
The latest from the TOI on the arrest of Pankaj Shah and the exit option:
Glad to see they’re seemingly on top of AISPA’s delay tactics.
Regarding this (Sameer, October 19th #163):
Here’s what happened,
So basically the SC told them to stop wasting time. Unfortunately though AISPA interpreted this as a sign to file more nonsense petitions:
How many judges have to knock AISPA back before they get the message?
2 Sides of the story
1 Company pretends that the Singapore bank has blocked transations and will move to Escrow to remitt payments, idealy it was because RBI stopped payments.
Next step appoint Bajpai, next Pay mr Navneet Khosla to file Fir, next appoint Solomon james to file a writ, next have an association called AISP headed by Melvin and Ashok to confuse People etc. Many new steps ahead to create diversions till the issue is forgotten this is called Politics to get away .
2 Company is right and will dominate the market in a the next few years .
The very fact is Media is usless and anything reported by it has been proven false by the kind Govt of india which stinks of corouption and even if Media finds Harens adress and publishes nothing is going to happen .
Yeah, because that’s totally where things have been headed this last year and a half. The scam has been dead now almost 18 months, time to embrace the reality of the situation.
From the sounds of it things are already happening, and where AISPA fail to waste everybody’s time, have been happening for some time now. With their latest attempts to thwart the investigations squashed, the criminal investigations are back on track.
ITEM NO.MM-11A COURT NO.11 SECTION IIA
S U P R E M E C O U R T O F I N D I A
RECORD OF PROCEEDINGS
Petition(s) for Special Leave to Appeal (Crl) No(s).8340/2012
From the judgement and order dated 26/09/2012 in CRLWP No.3611/2011 of The HIGH COURT OF BOMBAY)
SPEAKASIA PANELIST ASSN.OF INDIA & ORS Petitioner(s)
VERSUS
STATE OF MAHARAASHTRA & ORS. Respondent(s)
(With appln(s) for ex-parte stay,exemption from filing c/c of the impugned Judgment,exemption from filing O.T.)
Date: 19/10/2012
This matter was taken up on mentioning today.
CORAM :
HON’BLE MR. JUSTICE K.S. RADHAKRISHNAN
HON’BLE MR. JUSTICE DIPAK MISRA
For Petitioner(s) Mr. P.S. Patwalia,Sr.Adv.
Mr. Arvind Nayar,Adv.
Mr. Anil Kumar Tandale,Adv.
Mr. Vijay Aggarwal,Adv.
For Respondent(s)
UPON being mentioned the Court made the following
O R D E R
Taken on board.
Learned senior counsel appearing for the petitioners seeks permission to withdraw this special leave petition. Permission granted.
The special leave petition is, accordingly, dismissed as withdrawn.
NARENDRA PRASAD) (RENUKA SADANA)
COURT MASTER COURT MASTER
AISPA / Speak Asia has been trying to limit the trial to one Court in India namely Vijaywada, Andhra Pradesh as the charge sheet has been filed in the Court by the CID.
This was earlier attempted in Sewhen the matter was heard by the Division Bench headed by the Hon’ble Mr. Justice Katju. The petition was filed by Speak Asia and not AISPA.
In September, 2011 Headlines Today had reported that the Hon’ble Supreme Court was very angry and fearing adverse orders on its petition for clubbing of the criminal cases all over India it was promptly withdrawn by the advocates of Speak Asia.
On 19.10.2012 the present SLP (Cr) no. 8340/12 must have been withdrawn because of the adverse comments by the Court. It will be interesting to find out the prayer in SLP (Cr) no. 8340/12.
Trust me nothing is going to Happen if the very people for whom we vote can get away with billions this is just a matter of millions
@Tanki
If nothing else then at least the decade plus scams Kumar and friends have been running will finally come to an end. His MLM scam days are over.
Yesterday the AISPA website has published another round of advice for the exit optioners. It has also posted the following:
It is now important to find out the prayer in Petition(s) for Special Leave to Appeal (Crl) No(s).8340/2012 from the judgement and order dated 26/09/2012 in CRLWP No.3611/2011 of The HIGH COURT OF BOMBAY)
I was not served a copy of the Petition(s) for Special Leave to Appeal (Crl) No(s).8340/2012 which I think was required to be done in advance. This is because I am the respondent no. 3 in CRLWP No.3611/2011 of The HIGH COURT OF BOMBAY.
It is also important to learn the observation and advice of the Supreme Court that prompted the four advocates of AISPA to promptly withdraw the petition and AISPA to admit:
To me it seems that the observation and advice of the Hon’ble Supreme Court was as effective as effective as the observations of the Bench headed by Hon’ble Mr. Justice Katju in September, 2011 and which was reported by Headlines Today and is available on the internet.
Hon’ble Mr. Justice Markandey Katju and Hon’ble Mr. Justice Chandramauli Kr. Prasad permitted four advocates of Speak Asia to withdraw the petition in Criminal Writ Petition No. 176 of 2011 on 02.09.2011.
Now Hon’ble Mr. Justice K. S. Radhakrishnan and Hon’ble Mr. Justice Dipak Misra have permitted four advocates of AISPA to withdraw the petition in SLP (Criminal) No. 8340 of 2012 on 19.10.2011.
Is this history repeating itself?
Latest on the EOW’s investigation from the TOI:
“Attack” was a rather poor choice of words, however I imagine EOW investigators have become a tad weary given the duration of the investigation and money Speak Asia and AISPA have wasted in court trying to get away with their scam.
Interestingly it appears there’s no question of whether Speak Asia was a Ponzi or not. The charge-sheet filing and subequent actions are long overdue.
From the Financial Express:
“So, no purpose would be served by conducting two trials for the same alleged offence, they said.”
While they continue filing frivolous PILs and cases in the SC and Mumbai HC to deceive all and sundry to save their backsides from the EoW. Now things are getting too hot for these crooks in India with cops arresting most of them and “forcing” them to sing the names of their comrades.
To yet try and deceive their former panelists, SpeakAsia Indian Management is attempting to do the same via their EXIT option at http://www.speakasiaonline.com/Services/where they are asking one to attach copy of their mobile bill as registered with SAOL. Only postpaid connections get mobile bills, not prepaid subscribers. On a single mobile connection and e-mail ID whole households have been panelists of SAOL. Also, if one has earned RPs or got them encashed directly from SAOL or by recruiting suckers then there will be no payment whatsoever. How many panelists have downloaded and maintained records of their RPs and Trees? Very few. The majority are up the creek without a paddle.
I am very surprised that courts continue to give AISPA/SAOL a hearing despite knowing that they are wasting time, as if they are somebody special when millions of civil cases lie in courts for generations. Seems like the Indian courts cater to only the wealthy due to high court fees and high fees of advocates that most cannot afford to pay and suffer in silence. This is currently corrupt India’s socialism never envisaged by the Fathers of the Constitution or the Father of the Nation.
Dear Sir,
No latest articles on the speakasia?
Order of the Supreme Court of India dated 29.10.2012:
In other words, the 10 mil was a smokescreen all along. By putting up that 10 mil, it bought them a year (more? less?) and they even get it back. 😀
With interest!
The interest alone should supply Kumar and Kaur at least a few months more of martinis, freshly squeezed from panelist’s tears.
The following advocates were present:
For Petitioner(s) Mr. Jitendra Mohan Sharma ,Adv
Mr. Amit Anand Tiwari,Adv.
For Respondent(s) Ms. Indu Malhotra, Sr.Adv.
Mr. Vikas Mehta,Adv.
Ms. Aditi Bhat, Adv.
Mr. Vivek Jain, Adv.
Mrs. Anil Katiyar ,Adv
Mr. Kuldeep S. Parihar, Adv.
Mr. H.S. Parihar ,Adv
Mr. Sanjay V. Kharde, Adv.
Ms. Asha Gopalan Nair,Adv
I do not know if one or more of the above mentioned Advocates was representing the EOW / Government of Maharashtra.
More important I hope the the EOW / Government of Maharashtra was served a notice of the hearing through the standing counsel in the Supreme Court in New Delhi.
I do not know what the pleadings were in the Su
I do not know the pleadings of the parties who wanted to retain this money which was invested in the fraudulent online survey scheme of Speak Asia by the panelists.
I hope the EOW / Government of Maharashtra tried to save the USD 10 million from being sent back.
Great news no one can save the money might be the interest is sufficient for the owners to make more money out of the returns 🙂
The $10 million was announced shortly before the Exit option, in August / September 2011. I found it mentioned when I browsed through some OLD Speakasia updates on speakasiaonline.mobi, 7-8 months ago.
The current “management” (Bahirwani, Aman Azad or whoever it is) has got green lights to use up to $10 million to “buy some time” / “create some trust” / “make deals” or other similar vague purposes related to payment. They will probably be allowed to use more than $10 million if they’re able to create some “significant and important results”.
RETURNING THE $10 MILLION
It didn’t come as a surprise. The deposit of $10 million was ORDERED by the Supreme Court in a case that initially seemed to be within the court’s jurisdiction, an Article 32 case. Article 32 is basically about suing the Government for violating Fundamental Rights.
The case was later identified to be “Criminal in nature”, outside the jurisdiction of the Supreme Court, raising some issues about the validity of its previous orders.
The correct procedure when a case is outside the court’s jurisdiction is to dismiss it / allow the Petitioners to voluntarily withdraw the case, and RECALL any orders previously made in the case.
The orders in this case have been:
14.11.2011 Initiating the mediation proceedings
03.01.2012 Final report from the mediation
06.02.2012 Order the deposit of $10 million
23.02.2012 Further details about the $10 million deposit
19.09.2012 Dispose the case and RECALL other orders
Returning the $10 million was simply the correct legal procedure. The order about depositing the money should never have been made in the first place, if the case had been correctly identified.
They have probably respected the order from 19.09.2012, and not done anything to interfere with it.
@M_Norway
I think the most important hearing in the proceedings in CWP 383/2011 was
10.05.2012 – When the Supreme Court directed:
There were no further adjournments in any criminal proceedings in any Court in India in the matter of the fraudulent online survey scheme of Speak Asia after this order.
Speakasiaonline.mobi has posted the following today:
According to my information on 01.11.2012 Ashok Bahirwani did not appear in the City Civil & Sessions Court in Mumbai for the hearing of his anticipatory bail application. Hence the application was bound to be rejected and the orders were reserved.
The orders were pronounced in Court today and I have learnt that Bahirwani has gone for a holiday to an unknown destination and the EOW is looking forward to having him as a “State Guest” for a long talk with him but are unable to locate him and give him the invitation!
Well that’s it then, the AISPA defacto management have gone underground and will likely never be seen again.
The writing’s on the wall people.
I might suggest the EOW check Aman Azad’s house (that’s where Bahirwani hid out last time wasn’t it?), or failing that – Dubai.
@ oz
A few days ago, a new fake Facebook ID ‘Satya Bachan’ has appeared who has started routinely giving misleading replies/clarifications to Panelists on SpeakAsia Powers blog instead of Aman Azad alias Vinay Sharma who is brother-in-law of Manoj Kumar Sharma.
The clever trick being played is that Satya Bachan’s photograph is that of Dhiru Bhai Ambani, deceased father of India’s top indutrialist Mukesh Ambani. Thus the impression is being created that Reliance Industries Group headed by Mukesh Ambani is now backing Speak Asia.
It may be mentioned that Arvind Kejriwal of India Against Corruption recently claimed that Mukesh Ambani is virtually controlling Govt. of India as regards Govt. policies related to his business empire.
Very soon, apart from EOW, Mukesh Ambani’s hirelings will also be after Aman Azad’s blood.
Time for Satya Bachan to disappear or change his photo ID.
As asked by the Company have uploaded all the details asked by them…But i have only received two confirmation email ( as i was having 3 i.ds n opted for exit optiob at the same time)..
Upline has told that after verification within 15 days we will get our amount…Lets see whether they will pay or not…
Update from the Times of India:
They also state that Kumar is now believed to be in Abu Dhabi (hopping around the middle east) and as far as I understand the Ashok Bahirwani fugitive situation, he’s required to attend the EOW upon request for interrogation but cannot be arrested due to some notice not being served to him. There’s a bail application or some such scheduled for the 19th of Nov where the arrest stay will be revisited.
Whether Bahirwani has come out of hiding or not to comply with any such interrogation requests I’m not sure.
Thanks for that Navniit, so the 19th of November.
@ oz
Pankaj Shah is not an innocent low level employee of Speak Asia. He picked up close relationship with Manoj Kumar in Dubai and became a mastermind in MLM industry as detailed in his resume given below.
Although Shah got involved with Speak Asia even before it was launched in India and was associated with it for 10 months, he never bothered to get it registered for Permanent Establishment nor got DMAI membership for it.
Rather he was deeply involved in deceiving the panelists and Indian authorities. He was fully aware that the surveys were fake. Being too clever, he got scared by October 2010 that the pyramid scheme was about to collapse therefore he abandoned it. On being caught, now he is claiming to be innocent victim.
Now he is claiming that as Coordinator he was merely collecting money and passing on to Speak Asia. This means he was also acting as a Franchisee of Speak Asia and was earning his 3% commission on crores of Rupees collected by him.
A real Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde personality!
Pankaj Shah’s case is like that of a top level serving police officer simultaneously helping underworld dons run criminal gangs by using his vast knowledge of criminal law and police regulations to enable the gang avoid getting caught by police.
He abused his official position as Director of Direct Marketing Association, India (DMAI) to guide Ponzy / pyramid schemes how to evade Indian legal and other regulations.
It will be appropriate for DMAI to suspend him from his post of Director until he is cleared of criminal investigations and charges against him.
Interesting read from MoneyLife on the continued inaction from Indian authorities and government:
http://www.moneylife.in/article/mlms-continue-to-loot-and-scoot-while-police-regulators-act-like-mute-spectators/29573.html
Everyday i am receiving update from speakasia mobi club that exitors are getting paid and they are also showing proofs by attaching bank transaction but so far i am not being paid…i have mailed several times to complaints@speakasiaonline.mobi but did’nt got a single response from them..
Wats ur opinion M_Norway Sir, Whether Company will execute payment to all exitors…
Couple of days back Sony Entertainment TV Channel depicted the cheat MLM program of the infamous Speak Asia. However, it was titled as Talk India with bank accounts all over the globe including Singapore.
I wonder why the GoI has not issued Interpol notice for the arrest of its kingpins. Is it because its politicians and/or bureaucrats were also involved in this racket or received kickbacks?
@Hotoi Sema “Everyday i am receiving update from speakasia mobi club that exitors are getting paid and they are also showing proofs by attaching bank transaction but so far i am not being paid…i have mailed several times to complaints@speakasiaonline.mobi but did’nt got a single response from them..”
Forget payments until the kingpins are booked as these rascals continue to run global MLMs with impunity. They chose India because of the lax laws and enforcement agencies and the high level of corruption. Where they will be now is by going through the list of the 10 most corrupt countries.
Speak Asia named one of four “bogus” companies the Indian government has uncovered over the last 3 years:
http://www.indianexpress.com/news/4-bogus-cos-detected-in-last-4-yrs-govt/1034810/
IMHO, they are not going to pay ANYBODY. Because paying the exitors do not gain them anything.
They have lost the bid to stop the investigations, and they only put the 50 crore with the court because they *have to* to get the case to trial. To them, they’ve delayed the investigation for YEARS.
So what if they pay the exitors? All that will accomplish is a few less people will sue them. The company is dead ANY WAY. Why not just keep the money? It’s not as if India is going to send an “extraordinary rendition team” to Dubai or Singapore and bring back the fugitives.
All that money is OUT OF THE COUNTRY and NEVER coming back (unless EOW can track money going to the top “panelists”).
Sorry to tell you the bad news, but that’s the way I see it.
Hello Oz,Chang
Greetings! I am writing here after a very long time, though I have been reading every bit written here.
I feel so sorry for the panelists/Investors of SAOL. They still are in a delirium that the Co. will come back and keep on believing all the stupid “Payment Proofs” produced on various websites like speakasiamobi, aispa etc…which are doctored at photoshop.
SOAL is still dolling them timely dollies and they spice up their life clinging to them.
Where is SAOL???? Nobody from the management is coming forth in this “FAIR” trial…no updates..still the faith is on due to some people with vested interest passing out lollies of wisedom and motivation of belief..
God help these people..when will they learn to move on..the traffic on these websites is lulling out slowly but consistently and I am sure in no time people will forget SAOL and life will go on.
Sad to see that even though the Indian Govt. recognizes Ponzi schemes they do not move quickly enough to stop them from looting gullible investors who simply believe that the Internet is the best place to earn easy money with more or less little or no effort at all.
There are so many advertisements on the net/websites of SAOL for new similar companies that I feel sick to see more people falling in the trap…OMG..some people still don’t get it.
Lets hope the EOW file the charge-sheet soon to get this mess cleared.
It will NOT. It will probably pay SOME of them, just to give some “proof” of willingness to pay, so people can become more relaxed. “Some” can be 50, 100, 500 or more people, but they will not pay ALL.
WHY?
The Exit Option was introduced in September 2011. The Company had already allowed the use of $10 million to pay Exit optioners back then, with a promise to bring in more funds if they were able to get a good deal in court.
“Good deal in court” means access to the database, no restrictions on payment, unfreezing of the freezed accounts, and company restart. The first two points are most important.
Access to the database is absolutely needed.
* They will need it to confirm the identities. It CAN be done manually through uplines, but that will require much more work.
* They will need it to reverse commissions paid to uplines. That can’t be done manually. They paid commissions based on “pairs” of panels sold, and it’s almost impossible to try to solve that manually.
* They will need it for the payment system. They CAN organize a new database from scratch, but that will require lots of work.
Paying SOME people is worth the efforts and money, just to make the other investors feel more relaxed.
Paying MANY people is not worth the efforts and money. It will create lots of additional work, with very little to “win” for the management.
When Manoj Kumar is absent, the top of the Indian management is probably Aman Azad or the AISPA “gang” (Bahirwani, Crasto). “If you want something done, ask the ones permitted to answer both YES or NO, not the ones permitted to only answer NO”.
Your chances among 1-2 lakh other Exit optioners are relatively low. You can improve your own chances by solving some of the problems I have described, e.g. by making it easier for them to identify your upline all the way to the top. Solving THEIR problems instead of your own.
A general advice is “Start from the top”. People at the bottom of a system are only permitted to answer NO. People at the top of a system are permitted to answer YES or NO, or “I don’t make decisions like that myself. The right person is XXX”. 🙂
Speakasia.mobi has posted on its website:
There is no other information available
@Navniit Kkhosla. Bail is a great loophole in India’s legal system where even those girls/women whose life is wrecked by acid being thrown on their faces, the culprits get bail to roam free once more.
Again, information commissioners are government appointees under the RTI Act and will toe the line of whatever the government wants. Even CBI is controlled by the Prime Minister.
The government wants to control even the LokPal Bill! What to say of SpeakAsia. India needs retired HC and SC judges in these key positions and only then justice will be meted out in favor of the common man (aam admi).
Please give some updates about Speakasia’s current situation. I found this website very useful and genuine. Alteast you guys discuss and share truth and real news without any bias.
Please tell us that is there any chance of getting our Exit Option payments or it’s just a lie (SAOL’s strategy) for buying more time? Please reply asap.
IMHO, it was a lie to “buy time” all along. It is merely a delay strategy. There is no advantage to them to pay you. Merely the TALK of paying you would have kept you content and held you for months while you fight amongst yourselves whether to accept, reject, etc.
They will not pay ALL Exit optioners, due to the reasons I explained in post #216.
The local management in India is working to protect Manoj Kumar’s and their own interests, by trying to reduce potential trouble.
A GAME OF POKER
Compare the work to a game of poker. The $10 million was meant to be used during the game as a “card to play”, along with other cards (e.g. lawyers, court cases, AISPA, and other cards).
Many of their best cards have already been played, but without any significant results. An experienced poker player will continue to play for a while even if he has lost the first few hands, trying to improve his cards rather than quitting the game.
Paying a few people will give them a new card that can be played later in the game.
In this game, the cost of quitting the game will probably be much higher than the cost of continuing to play it. The cost of quitting is partly unknown, but it involves both criminal charges and civil claims for some of the players.
For me, it makes more sense if they continue to play the game rather than quitting, playing the cards they have at the moment. Continuing to play will require putting some more money into the pot.
Note: The main motive for paying some people is to continue playing the game and improving their own cards. Other than that, the payment is only an unwanted expense and additional work.
YOUR CHANCES?
They will not pay ALL Exit optioners, so your chances are relatively low.
Navniit/Oz
Any news on Speak Asia or AISPA? Has the ED caught hold of that rascal called Bahirwani? Or is Speak Asia a closed chapter in online crimes as far as the agencies of Government of India are concerned?
Any news from CID Andhra Pradesh of issuing Interpol Red Alert to get hold of the absconding management of Speak Asia?
I haven’t been following the case so I know as much as you do.
Last I heard the EOW are busy interrogating Bahirwani and he’s trying to get the interrogations taped or something.
As far as I’m concerned nothing much has changed. Speak Asia was the biggest Pyramid/Ponzi scheme in Indian history and its operators are now living it up overseas on the money they stole.
Indian law and authorities seems prohibitively inadequate to handle schemes on such a scale.
Compare that to the States who are on top of much large Ponzi Scam of $20 billion.
Update: Apparently there was a Bahirwani bail hearing recently and in it the Mumbai High Court finally got stuck into the EOW over their never-ending investigation:
A few months of delay fine but cmon guys, we’re going on over a year here since it was first announced that a chargesheet would be filed “soon”.
I can appreciate if the local laws are completely inadequate to deal with Ponzi/pyraid schemes of Speak Asia’s size but at least just come out and say as much rather than drag it out.
As for Bahirwani,
Interesting choice of words.
The hearing was adjourned till January 23rd.
i couldn’t agree with you more soapbox !
duh . IF speakasia is a fraud then a person who joined up at the fag end is bound to be a victim , isn’t it ?
Bahirwani referring to Speak Asia as “the fraud” was what caught my eye. Some refreshing honesty was nice for a change.
…now he just needs to come clean regarding funding of his escapades and that of AISPA.
no soapbox, it is the press reporter who is calling speakasia a fraud . has the press reporter read the application of bahirwani ?no . have you ? no .
then why waste energy on something which comes from a place of zero information ??
the court is aware of bahirwani’s plea and they are the only thing that matters
How disappointing. Ah well, back to the lies and misdirection then.
That’s worked so well for the past year and a half.
Found this news:
http://www.financialexpress.com/news/speak-asia-scam-hc-slams-police-for-clubbing-cases/1056934
Bahirwani is also under suspicion, but he claims he is also victim of the Fraud…. so bottom line is that HE ALSO AGREES SPEAKASIA IS A SCAM/FRAUD…. Lolz
Hi friends,
It seems that Navneet Kkhosla has taken U turn in Speak Asia case as some groups of its cheer leaders are enjoying themselves and again motivating people about it that it’s a great and marvelous achievement of Speak Asia and AISPA as well.
Any idea about Kkhosla and his U turn in favor of these frauds and that rascal called Bahirwani?
Uh, what?
I have not taken a U turn! Wait and watch!
There is another investor who has invested Rs. 4,63,000 in the fraudulent survey scheme of Speak Asia. I am his constituted attorney and have been following up for the registration of his FIR without any success till 09.02.2013.
I filed his intervention application in person for impleadment in the Supreme Court in CWP No. 383 of 2011 and it was listed as IA no. 12. My intervention application in person for impleadment in the Supreme Court in CWP No. 383 of 2011 and it was listed as IA no. 9.
Both were listed on 10.05.2012 when I prayed to the Court for removal of the stay on the investigation in CrWP 3611 of 2011.
There was no pending application of EOW for removal of this stay application in the Supreme Court as claimed by them in the Bombay High Court.
I want the recording of the FIR of the person for whom I am the constituted attorney. We have submitted 34 letters of complaints in writing to various Police Officers for the recording of the FIR till 09.02.2013. I may also file a separate intervention application in this matter in the High Court before 28.02.2013.
I think the High Court has clarified in the hearing on 09.01.2013 that multiple FIRs should be
recorded against the accused persons. Here the accused persons will be the persons connected with Speak Asia.
For months I did not get the relevant information from the EOW for filing a claim in the ACMM Court for the return of the money of my company which had been invested by me mostly through cheques in the fraudulent online survey scheme of Speak Asia and which had been frozen by the EOW.
I still do not have all the information regarding the direct accused in my complaint and no information whether any action has been taken against them.
If a car is stolen and thereafter recovered I am sure everyone will agree that the victim must be promptly informed and assisted to take possession of the vehicle through the Court. The EOW have a disgruntled and angry complainant on their hands.
By and large at times some Police officers in our country feel that they can use and discard complainants like used sanitary napkins. They laugh at the complainant and harass him / her if he/she complains.
I am not saying that this applies to PI BP Shelke the IO in CR no. 60 of 2011. But he seems to have put on weight since he became the IO on the night of 23rd or 25th July, 2011.
Wait and watch!
Hi Friends,
Very amazing that Aman Azad has announced himself as Vivek Sharma and stated that his real name and identity is not Aman Azad. In real he announced himself as Vivek Sharma. Very funny this man is, isn’t he?
I Certainly remembered some comments on this site that had been commented by a person named Sameer in which he tells that a person named Aman Azad who used to publish the Speak Asia Marketing blog.
Further he also tells that Vivek Sharma alias Aman Azad is the brother-in-law (wife’s brother) of Manoj Kumar Sharma the CEO of Speak Asia. Sameer claims that the comment # 109 had been posted on the online newspaper The Bhaskars website. (See comment # 103 and # 109 of Sameer)
Do you have any idea about this Vivek Sharma alias Aman Azad? Throw some light on it. It seems that the main villain is going to be caught and nail by EOW.
Comment #103 seems to be part of a dialogue with Jutamaro, so some of the information may have been found in a link in Jutamaro’s post #101.
Search results for “Vivek Sharma” in this article and thread:
“The letters on Speakasia Marketing blog or Speakasia official blog is published by a panelist name Vivek Sharma. Other Names: Aman Azad …”
That was found in post #101 Jutamaro. Jutamaro has posted some information found on the internet, and he links to 3 different sources.
Hi Friends,
I have seen some interesting comments of some Mr. Satya Bachan in some SpeakAsian Powers groups of Face book in which he states regarding Navniit Kkhosla like these:
Mr Nanniit Kkhosla came to court today and said that when he filed his FIR the police forced him to write things that were lies . He wants to give the court information which will make the FIR null and void.
In Mr. Satya Bachan’s another comment he explains for a query of a person named Davinder Singh Khalsa regarding Navniit Kkhosla like this:
Yes Davinder Singh Khalsa, he (for Navniit Kkhosla) has been trying to make contact with company officials for setting the matters. But he was refused by everyone and told to meet us in court.
Mr. Kkhosla, now its your turn to clarify the comments which Mr. Satya Bachan commented in some SpeakAsians Powers group.
He is a man of values. Whereever he gets value he will take a turn towards that. (Value=money).
I don’t think he can refute these charges because he has been trying to do this (settings) for ages.
@Mohd. Faizal Rahman
Mr. Mohd. Faizal Rahman you are new here. You are not aware of what all I have done in the past. You, an unknown entity, who has not revealed his full identity and contacts and yet have asked me to clarify what Mr. Satya Bachan commented in some SpeakAsians Powers group based on comments of someone named Davinder Singh Khalsa. Wow!
My address and phone numbers are freely available since I am the original complainant and hence these are part of FIR no. 153/2011. My phone numbers and my email ID has also been repeatedly made available on this blog.
Now I have a suggestion for you – Put your verifiable phone numbers, email ID and address on this blog along with your status with Speak Asia and a brief summary of your activities in relation to the fraudulent online survey scheme of Speak Asia. I will then answer you.
This is a fair offer. I also caution you not to pass any unwarranted defamatory comments against me. Two persons did this and FIR no. 1 of 2012 was registered by the Cyber Cell of Mumbai Police.
I am of the opinion that multiple FIRs should be recorded all over India against Speak Asia panelists, the management and distributors who have received the money invested by individuals in the fraudulent online survey scheme of Speak Asia.
Maybe you will be happy with such a scenario! I have a track record – Jo kehte hain wo kartien hain (I do what I say)!
Currently the world record of 150 years jail sentence is held by Bernard Madoff for his Ponzi Scheme in the US of A. Maybe someone from Speak Asia will manage to break this world record!
@Sanjeev Khanna
Mr. Sanjeev Khanna I remember you have posted some comments on this blog earlier. If I remember correctly these comments revealed you as a committed Speak Asia fan.
Obviously you have had a profitable dealing with Speak Asia unlike lakhs of other investors who have lost their money.
The Judge in ABA 1083 2012 seems to be of the same opinion, but how able is the Indian court system to solve several hundred thousands FIRs?
“Max 3 similar offences per chargesheet” will mean that each and every panelist will have to file a FIR themselves, or join an existing FIR with max 2 other panelists.
1.2 million panelists in India / 3 per chargesheet = 400,000 separate FIRs, chargesheets and trials. Plus 80,000 FIRs coming in from Bangladesh.
The final order in WRIT 383 mentioned something about “The law will eventually have to find its own path through the court system”. I don’t believe 400,000 trials will be the correct path. 🙂
The judge has pointed out a problem. Clubbing ALL offences together in a bulky chargesheet will make the case nearly impossible to solve in court. But he hasn’t pointed out the correct solution for that problem.
Mr. Kkhosla ,
Did I pass unwarranted defamatory comments against you ? Didn’t I ?
Do you believe so?
I wanted to know only your views on some matters which I put before you through my comments that were actually not mine rather some fraudsters of net work marketing.
If my comments hurt you and you feel uncomfortable with them, sorry my friend, I will not ask you anything further as whatsoever I wanted to know or understand have been stated by you through your valuable comment.
@Mohd.Faizal Rahman
I am waiting for your verifiable contacts! You should share them if you not done anything illegal! Otherwise ……..?
@M_Norway
I think 1.2 million panelists does not mean 1.2 individual investors! A tripod with three main panels and twenty seven sub panels means 30 panels. This may be only one investor!
So the number of FIRs will be vastly less than 1.2 million. The very small investor of Rs. 11,000 or Rs. 21,000 may not even come for the refund of his / her money.
In any case the mere thought that a FIR will be recorded will ensure that the upline refunds the money invested by the real victims which is the downline. In my opinion this will ensure a faster way for the full refund of the money and the EXIT OPTION will not be needed.
What do you say to this?
I can agree on the “1.2 million panelists doesn’t reflect the number of INVESTORS”. But I actually used a low number there.
My opinion is that the Judge is using incorrect logic if ALL investors will have to file separate FIRs, or “max 3 similar offences per FIR”. How can a Defendant be able to defend himself in 100,000 cases? 🙂
I’m not talking about the Bahirwani case here, the ABA 1083 2012, but about how to solve claims from the investors. It will be meaningless if all of them will have to file separate FIRs. And the Judge should know that, too.
The Judge pointed out a problem, i.e. “Clubbing too many similar offences together in one single chargesheet will make the case become less solvable in court”. But the opposite solution won’t work any better.
The Judge has to look for the “guidance” provided by the Supreme Court in writ 383 (point #9 in the order). ALL panelists have similar rights, and the courts will most likely have to solve all claims at once.
SpeakAsia paid OUT around 1,050 crore to uplines. I have estimated that around 4,800 crore was brought out of the country (through Seven Rings, AdMatrix, etc.).
Manoj Kumar will be very happy if people individually are suing their uplines rather than him. That will certainly solve many of HIS problems. 🙂
THE BAHIRWANI BAIL APPLICATION
I don’t know exactly what that case is about. The Judge has quoted from WRIT 3611 and WRIT 383 in his interim orders, but without any clear conclusions. EOW’s “secret documents” doesn’t make the situation become clearer.
A bail application is normally about whether or not someone should be released on bail, it’s not about whether he’s guilty or innocent.
The EOW has obviously filed a chargesheet where Bahirwani has been involved in the charges. Then they probably have some evidence against him, showing his role as one of the organisers behind SpeakAsia?
MY CONCLUSION
The criminal side of the case has to be about cheating ALL the panelists, all the ones who have received less money than they have invested, all the “net losers”.
* And they will have to extend the chargesheet, so it also can include Seven Rings and other companies used for money laundering.
* And they will have to find the main organiser himself, Manoj Kumar. Currently they are only prosecuting the minions.
* The “system” in India should be used to decide whether or not to make any claims against the “net winners”. In the U.S., net winners in a Ponzi scheme will face clawbacks, but I don’t think India has a similar system. Norway doesn’t have it either.
The civil side of the case has to follow the principle of equality before the law = they can’t solve the individual claims separated from each other. They will need a professional counterparty representing ALL “net losers”.
CURRENT STATUS
The SpeakAsia case seems to have been “derailed” from its main track.
The case should be about a group of people cheating other groups of people, “organisers vs victims” as GROUPS. You can’t prosecute people in groups, but you can use that method to identify their individual role.
I don’t see anyone taking care of the civil claims. That part has to be organised in one way or another.
Sorry My friend, it is not me but it is you who had a profitable dealing by using unscrupulous methods. How can you be so sure that I have not lost any money here.
@Sanjeev Khanna
I am sure that you are aware that I asked Speak Asia to refund the investment of my company and the management / leaders of the fraudulent online survey scheme (some lawyers too) laughed at my request. Then:
a) I got Speak Asia to pay Rs. 54 crore as service tax before they issued invoices for the investment of the funds of my company.
b) I am the original complainant in FIR no. 153/2011 which was renumbered as CR no. 60 /2011 and the consequences are there for all to see.
c) This also resulted in the start of the arrests of the management / leaders of the fraudulent online survey scheme of Speak Asia.
d) I opposed the bail application of Ashish Dandekar as he was the power of attorney and had signed the vakalatnama for the Rs. 500 crore defamation case against Star TV. His bail application was rejected.
e) The EOW had no pending application in the Supreme Court in CWP 383/2011 for the quashing of the stay application in CrWP 3611/2011. On 10.05.2012 I submitted to the SCI that the stay in CrWP 3611/2011 be removed and the Hon’ble Court obliged.
f) Another investor has invested in the fraudulent online survey scheme of Speak Asia and I have requested anybody who is willing to listen to refund his dues. This is has not been done. I had also filed an intervention application for this investor in the SCI.
g) Multiple FIRs is the only answer. It may not be to the liking of many of those in Speak Asia and outside who have profited from its fraudulent survey scheme.
I knocked on many doors for the refund of the investment of my company including Mumbai Police. I did not get the desired cooperation and then suddenly it happened when CrWP 3611/11 was being heard.
I did not use the services of any advocate – even in the Supreme Court. Between 12th May, 2012 and 10th may, 2012 I did not do any work other than work on getting a refund of my investment.
By early Jan / Feb 2012 I had visited EOW about 35 times for recovering my investment. I have spent a very large sum of money as expenses to recover my investment. I have not been paid the expenses / loss incurred by me and my company.
I am now working to help others recover their investment in the fraudulent online survey scheme of Speak Asia. I expect to be paid for the effort on recovery of the investment of other investors like any other individual / professional who offers services.
Which if the above acts is unscrupulous? And what is unscrupulous about this hard work?
And it is strange that you are feeling shy to commit whether you have profited or not from the fraudulent online survey scheme of Speak Asia.
You are an unknown entity who has not revealed his full identity and contacts and is misusing the internet to defame and take pot shots at me. Do not test my limits!
My address and phone numbers are freely available since I am the original complainant and hence these are part of FIR no. 153/2011. My phone numbers and my email ID has also been repeatedly made available on this blog.
Now I have a suggestion for you – Put your verifiable phone numbers, email ID and address on this blog along with your status with Speak Asia and a brief summary of your activities in relation to the fraudulent online survey scheme of Speak Asia.
Till then do not pass any unwarranted defamatory comments against me.
M_Norway
I disagree with your reasoning, analysis of the criminal justice system in our country as well as your suggestions for the future course of action!
Let me tell you that EOW has not filed a charge sheet till now!
I think it would be better to let the Bombay High Court decide on the future course of action!
My numbers are already available. Just do a simple search and then we can talk on phone if you feel like.
Disagree in which parts?
I wasn’t able to identify exactly what the Bahirwani case is about. The Judge referred to 3611 and 383 without clear conclusions, and EOW have some secret documents. So I had to limit the scope to a more general:
* “Where should the criminal case go?”
* “Where should the civil claims go?”
The criminal case needs to be directed at the whole group of organisers, group of people and group of companies, probably with Manoj Kumar at the top. They can’t prosecute them that way, but they will need that method to identify whom to prosecute for what.
The court might decide the future course, but not ANY course.
Someone professional will need to take care of the civil claims for all the panelists as a group. Their claims have to be directed at the GROUP of criminals, with Manoj Kumar at the top of that group.
Your viewpoint is that people should file individual FIRs all over India against their uplines?
My viewpoint is very similar to how the shutdown of ZeekRewards in the U.S. is about to be solved. The court appointed a temporary Receiver, a professional lawfirm to take care of the civil claims.
* net losers can’t file individual claims against any other, they rather have creditor claims against the Receivership.
* net winners are facing clawbacks from the Receiver
* the Defendants in that case will have to face claims from the Receiver. Any individual claims against the Defendants will automatically be stayed.
ZeekRewards and SpeakAsia are two different cases in two different jurisdictions. You can’t apply the same methods to the SpeakAsia case, but you can use the same ideas and principles.
In my opinion multiple FIRs have to be recorded and then only because a FIR has been recorded the upline will repay the investment in the fraudulent online survey scheme of Speak Asia.
I am working on starting a petition addressed to the Prime Minister of India in this matter for the refund of the investment in the fraudulent online survey scheme of Speak Asia. All those who are fed up of the official / unofficial information on the progress for the repayment of their investment.
I am also working on starting a group on Facebook for all those who are fed up of the official / unofficial information on the progress for repayment of their investment.
This will help all the investors out there who are amazed at the manner in which this whole Rs. 2600 plus crore scam has progressed for close to one year and seven months and the total lack of help from the Police in recovering the money.
I want all of us to examine the following questions:
Assume 1000 cars are stolen from a city within a year by a gang of thieves. Mr. ABC submits a complaint and a FIR is recorded. also assume that the thieves have dismantled most of the cars and distributed the parts amongst themselves. One takes the ten engines, another takes 100 music systems, another takes 1000 tyres and so on.
If the Police learn of the location of the stolen cars and the dismantled parts then are they not duty bound to seize the stolen goods and forthwith inform the owners of the cars about the recovery of the stolen parts?
Would they also not assist the victims of the theft to take possession of their property through the due process of law?
Would the Police wait to catch the gang leaders before any relief is given to the victims whose stolen property has been identified?
How much time will the Police wait before look at the welfare of the victims?
And only one FIR for the theft and sale of 1000 cars or their parts?
At times I feel that we citizens do not deserve this treatment! It is like sprinkling salt on the burn wounds of a victim!
My comparison may not be the best. It has come out spontaneously and I plan to take this forward! If someone has a better comparison he should share the same! It will be surely welcome.
I count behindmlm as the best site I have come across in my lifetime. The website is managed ethically and must have helped countless investors by now by fore warning them of bogus sites as well as enlightening those who have been already entrapped.
Oz & his colleagues must keep up the good work! They must also henceforth help the victims of Speak Asia proactively. How I leave to them.
May God bless them all!
@M_Norway
India does not have any provision of class action in its laws!
How do you identify the stolen property in SpeakAsia?
The money was collected from area managers and sent to Manoj Kumar, and he distributed the money out of India to 100 different accounts.
If your car is stolen, the police can return YOUR car, not ANY car. People in upline have received $10 or less per panel sold (binary pairing). Most people didn’t receive money, they received Loyalty Points.
M_Norway
Upline encacshed the credits in their e-wallets by selling PINs to the new “bakras” and collected the money and kept it with themselves. This also resulted in a 10% additional income over what would have been received in the Bank if SAOL had sent the money in the e-wallet.
Deepankar Sarkar encashed his credits in the e-wallet and generated PINs which he sold to me for direct payment. All my PINs were named “Sarkar2” as they originated from his e-wallet. I had a printout of all this data.
This is how the top upline that is said to have received Rs. 1050 crore received the money. Manoj Kumar did not send any money to them.
So if A has encashed the credit in the e-wallet and sold PINs to B then it is identifiable money. I am sure you do not the victim to produce the nos. and denomination of the currency notes paid to A.
The last sentence of the last posting should read:
I am sure you do not expect the victim to produce the nos. and denomination of the currency notes paid to A.
@Navniit
Awaiting your next step eagerly.
I knew about that method, but it wasn’t used by each and every recruiter. Most people obviously had to send money in to SpeakAsia, rather than keeping the money for themselves.
Filing a claim against a recruiter can result in “I have received $20 in commission for the sale of that PIN, so here you have $20. Most of your money ended up at the higher levels in the organisation”. The recruiter is probably not responsible for the whole amount you have lost, only for his share of it.
Some recruiters have only received Loyalty Credits as commissions.
People could also “recruit themselves”, e.g. by buying a “Tripod” (1 main PIN, 2 additional PINs in a “downline”).
Multiple FIRs filed all over India against uplines will probably only lead to chaos. Claims has to be directed against the organisers rather than the minions. The organisers have most of the money, the minions have only a small part of it.
Manoj Kumar will simply LOVE ideas where people are directing their attention against the minions rather than against him.
If you’re working on something like that, try to identify solutions that might work.
The current system is focused on using criminal laws rather than civil laws. Civil laws will better protect the interests of the victims. I can show you some examples for that, from the US.
Civil laws are much faster when it comes to halting illegal commercial activity, freeze money derived from illegal commercial activity and protect the interests of the victims, Cease and Desist illegal activity, and so on and so forth.
Civil laws violations can be brought much faster before a court, they don’t need all that time consuming investigation by police, “to produce a watertight chargesheet”.
The SpeakAsia case has failed in several places. First they couldn’t find the correct laws to use, or identify which agencies that had the correct jurisdiction. The “system” seemed to have been totally unprepared for a case like that.
One year later, the Serious Fraud Investigation Office didn’t manage to identify its own jurisdiction due to some “technical flaws” (post #93 and #97).
It’s possible to solve cases like the SpeakAsia case much easier. FIR + criminal investigation + criminal case in court is a very ineffective method, and it will not protect the victims’ rights.
Justice fails when the “system” becomes too complicated to enforce, e.g. when using high level laws rather than low level laws where the low level laws would have done the job properly.
E.g. you can effectively prevent a pyramid scheme by banning the illegal marketing of it, rather than doing a 1-year investigation to produce a watertight chargesheet so you can ban the scheme itself.
In general, Civil laws are much more effective than criminal laws. Banning a trade practice can be done much faster than prosecuting people for criminal activity.
I don’t believe in the idea of filing multiple FIRs all over India, to prosecute uplines rather than the organisers. I consider that to be a GIFT to Manoj Kumar and the other organisers, because it will direct all the attention away from him.
Yes this will surely dilute the case.
Very true Sir. See the Idea of multiple FIRs have many a times been discussed and pondered about by us speakasians and your contention that it will only dilute the case holds weight here.
See in most of the cases uplines and downlines are only a list of known family and friends and where ever a person feels that his upline or downline is genuinely in trouble, they have helped them going out of the way to overcome their difficulties. The most publicised example in this matter is of Navniit KKhosla himself.
To maintain brotherhood many uplines have already paid off their downline as most of the downlines are family and friends. These things are not publicised but EOW and Navniit both know these.
God knows why these people are delaying the Chargesheet. Probably they know that they may not be able to sustain the current charges in the court of law.
It has been twenty months now but not many of the panelists have come forward and joined hands with Mr. Navniit Khosla who had promised everyone that he can help us get the money in 20 days time.
Mr. Navniit Khosla : Would you not admit that in case the company had been in operation for a few months more like this you too would have built a sizable downline earning lots of money and would have disappeared later on (As This is pretty normal in India).
I just bought only one panel to test the waters but you had bought panels worth lakhs of rupees. (IS it not true)
I have not got anybody to invest in the fraudulent survey scheme. Hence I have no downline.
ABA 1083/2012 has been adjourned to 07.03.2013. The matter was taken up twice but not heard.
At 11.15 AM Advocate Abdi was not present as he was delayed and hence it was kept back!
At about 1.45 PM Advocate Gharat, the Special PP was not present and the matter was adjourned to 07.03.2011.
Criminal Application no. 111/2013 was registered today in ABA No. 1083/2012. This is an intervention application and has been filed by me as the constituted attorney of Shri Vivek Shinde who has invested 4,63,000/- in the fraudulent online survey scheme of Speak Asia. We have submitted 28 letters of complaint to the Police for registering the FIR by PS nehru Nagar, Mumbai. We want separate FIRs to be registered by the Police against the accused on a case to case basis. But FIRs must be registered every time.
I saw an investor of Rs 16,000/- in the High Court talking to the IO and Tarak Bajpai for the refund of his money. He has been assured of his repayment.
Why? Because he has reached the High Court & was willing to orally ask for help from the Court for the refund of his money.
FIR is the only way to get a refund! This is my opinion!
He should have asked for a WRITTEN statement, with specific info about date and time, and about the amount. 🙂
So far, you’re the only one who have got your money back, not through court but through a settlement. Other investors can’t expect to make settlements, so a FIR will be aimed towards solving it in court?
I can see some potential trouble here, e.g. in the huge number of panelists. Neither the enforcement system nor the court system is designed to handle several 100,000’s of relatively similar cases. So be careful in what you’re recommending.
The estimated number of panelists has varied between 12 lakh and 24 lakh, but it’s probably closer to the lowest number.
* Each of them has similar rights to get their money back, either partially or fully.
* Each of them will potentially have to defend their claims in court.
* Each of them can potentially lose a court case.
* Each of them can potentially have the right to intervene in other cases, e.g. if they have claims against the same defendant.
My prediction is that the idea will lead to a collapse if it’s being performed in full scale or even half scale. It might work in small scale, but even that has some risks. A smart lawyer will probably be able to stay all the cases at once through a higher court (the Supreme Court).
In todays Times of India, Mateen Hafeez has written
Now let us see how Senior Panelist and Power Page guys mislead downliners, the above article has been copied and pasted on Facebook SpeakAsian Powers page, but very smartly they have intentionally omitted this paragraph.
These Powerpage guys dont want downliners to read the actual truth that EOW has verified Exit Option payments through bank of onr Mr Rajesh Kumar Verma whose exit payment proof was posted and EOW has verified to be fake.
Now what has Sanjeev Khanna has to say about this?
My comment 3 days ago:
The comment was about whether the “payment proofs” were real or false. In network marketing, “proofs” are typically used to make something look better than it really is, e.g. to promote something.
I believe it’s time to correct something …
Rs 2,276 core is too low. That amount is based on fake book keeping. The real amount is probably in the range 5,500 crore to 8,000 crore. 2,276 crore will only cover ONE panel per panelist, but the average investor bought more than that.
The scam isn’t limited to the SpeakAsia entity, it also includes all the other companies involved in the scam, e.g. Seven Rings. Most of the money was transferred to Seven Rings and other companies outside India.
This proof was never posted on AISPA site and SAOL Site is already under EOW, so the question of SAOL publishing it does not come into picture. Now we all are aware that Mateen Hafeez reports anything but truth.
It originally appeared on mediacdn.disqus.com. The Link is: mediacdn.disqus.com/uploads/mediaembed/images/382/2107/original.jpg.
And the reply for the same was given on powers page by our friend VIKAS MAHAJAN immediately.
The way EOW is handling this case surely indicates they are not working in favour of panelists atleast. They should have been more proactive and fast and should not have dragged the case this long.
The most awaited Charge sheet is not coming to court. Unless the chargesheet is submitted, the trial can not begin and if Trial does not begin, there is not a single iota of hope that our money will come back soon.
So what the EOW is saying is the truth and Exit Payments are a sham & case of forgery should be registered.
So I guess you never complained about EOW “persecuting” SAOL and AISPA’s various leaders?
The proof which Mateen Hafeez has quoted was already disowned by AISPA and powers already. And that’s what i had mentioned.
What we are saying is that the press is quoting wrong examples which are far away from truth and are misusing their power for reasons they themselves know. Let Mateen or anybody prove that the proofs uploaded by AISPA are false.
I hope it was not you Sameer who faked the proof and posted first on the net.
This proof that we are debating about could have been put up clandestinely by the EOW themselves. But the proof is such a sham that any one with a little Internet Knowledge and experience would have shattered it into pieces immediately.
Just publishing the things in press will not serve the purpose any longer. The truth needs to be proven in court which is the right place and not the newspapers and various blogs.
I have always ever been complaining that panelists are suffering.It is now apparent that this is now being dragged without any major development just to make us forget and put it out of our minds.
Now the second thing that comes to mind is whether the SpeakAsia Marketing blog is geniune or fake as it was posted previously on this blog
http://speakasiaonlinemarketing.wordpress.com/2012/09/24/aman-azad-from-speakasia/
That the SpeakAsia Marketing blog is created and managed by Aman Azad alias Vivek Sharma.
Because exit payments were announced on that blog and if the exit payments are a scam then surely that blog is fake and managed by someone locally.
Sanjeev the case problems can be solved if Manoj Kumar who said previously that SpeakAsia will assist in investigation, hadnt run away, right.
Would he be available for investigation the entire scam would have been unearthed by now.
But he is trying to stall investigations and doesnt want to assist in investigation that is why he ran away and is now in hiding. Neither is Mrs Kaur available. The people who called themselves management are no where to be seen.
New people like Ashok Bahirwani and Vivek Sharma took over the mantle and Ashok Bahirwani started Jai SpeakAsia, Jai SpeakAsia and after what the EOW presented in the court that if he claims to be a victim of the fraud why does he write Jai Speakasia in his articles.
After that Ashok Bahirwani has disappeared from AISPA website with this articles and his Jai SpeakAsia also disappeared like SAOL management.
Look at the Exit Option Scam?
Didnt EOW prove it is another Scam of SpeakAsia or some senior panelist who is managing that blog?
Similarly they will easily solve this complex case if you bring Manoj Kumar to assist in investigation.
My 2c:
We all know AISPA are in bed with Speak Asia management. Any “verified” exit payments are just Manoj Kumar paying off those AISPA members who chipped in for the Navniit Kkhosla fund.
Or paying off senior management (franchisees) to continue to keep quiet.
Those like Sanjeev and Anand will just continue to play along. Either they’ve been paid off already (quietly) or live in the hope that they will.
Civil laws are more effective and faster than criminal laws when it comes to halting illegal commercial or financial schemes (e.g. pyramid or Ponzi schemes). They can ban the ACTIVITY rather than prosecuting the PEOPLE involved in it, e.g. halting only a part of a company.
Civil laws are typically:
* Marketing laws
* Other commercial laws
* Consumer protection laws
* Security and exchange laws
* Bank laws
* Tax laws
There’s a wide range of civil laws that can be used to effectively halt illegal activities. Civil laws will also better take care of the victims’ interests. They don’t have any “punishments”, but they have “equitable remedies” which acts very similar to punishment, e.g. “disgorgement of illgotten gains”, “reimbursment of money” and other remedies.
Prohibiting ACTIVITIES via civil laws is much easier than prosecuting PEOPLE or COMPANIES for criminal activities.
Civil laws are much easier to handle in court, e.g. they’re using the “weight of evidence” doctrine rather than the “proved beyond reasonable doubt”.
A defendant can’t incriminate himself in a civil case, the case isn’t about anything criminal. So it’s much easier to collect information from the parties.
In a criminal case, a defendant can flee the country and avoid being prosecuted. That strategy won’t work in a civil case, it will simply mean he’s accepting the other party’s version of the story, not using his right to defend his own version.
Civil laws usually have rules about TIME, e.g. “the party has 3 weeks to respond to the enquiry” and similar rules about the time they can use.
In “FTC vs BurnLounge”, they halted only the illegal parts of the business (97%), while the other parts were allowed to continue (3%). In “SEC vs Rex Venture Group and Paul Burks”, the whole business was halted.
When SpeakAsia was halted in May 2011, one of the typical problems was “jurisdiction issues”, e.g. finding the correct laws to be used and finding the correct agencies to execute those laws.
That problem hasn’t been solved. Laws have been made too specific in their definitions to be able to work properly, e.g. serious frauds will only be within the jurisdiction of SFIO if a company is registered through MCA (post #93 and #97).
Laws should be about ACTIVITIES rather than ENTITIES, e.g. it shouldn’t make much difference WHERE a company is registered, or WHETHER OR NOT a company is properly registered through MCA.
SFIO will first have the correct jurisdiction when a company is properly registered through MCA. For all other ENTITIES or vaguely organised groups of people it won’t have the correct jurisdiction.
The agency has a wide range of illegal activities within its jurisdiction, but only a limited range of entities. The laws which gives it its powers are flawed and ineffective. They are probably set up to LOOK impressive rather than to WORK properly.
Here’s some of the “jurisdiction issues”:
behindmlm.com/companies/speak-asia-online/outdated-laws-mean-speak-asia-free-to-operate-in-india/
behindmlm.com/companies/speak-asia-online/gone-speak-asia-pull-104-million-usd-out-of-india/
A huge number of different agencies were involved, but none of them were able to identify the correct jurisdiction properly (other than the police authorities, after a FIR had been filed).
SEBI will only handle registered securities, not other types of investment frauds.
MCA will only handle registered companies, not other types of organised activity.
RBI will only handle bank laws related issues.
The cause of this problem can be found within the legislature system somewhere, in how the law making is organised.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legislation
Laws are written by bureaucrats (e.g. civil servants of a Ministery)
–> proposed as a bill by a member of the legislature (e.g. member of the parliament)
–> debated and modified by the legislature (e.g. parliament)
–> enacted by the legislature (e.g. parliament)
–> becomes a law.
Somewhere in that system the cause of the problem can be found. Somebody in that system is obviously very skilled in making things become complicated and dysfunctional. 🙂
Thanks M_Norway for highlighting the legal inticracies.
ABA 1083 of 2012 along with Criminal Application No. 111 of 2013 has been adjourned to 19.03.2013.
Thanks for the update Navniit. Do we know why it was adjourned?
one more FIR filed by another speak asian in UP against the defacto management of speak asia
Cheers for that Navniit.
If I’m reading that order correctly, Bahirwani is just stalling (again). Surprise surprise.
The earlier orders of the Bombay High Court have not been read carefully by the investors.
Speak Asia and its de facto management must be aware of the consequences of the orders.
I have not understood the thinking of the senior EOW officers as well as the IO PI BP Shelke.
In my opinion the investors can get immediate relief!
Let us see what my efforts yield for the common investors!
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/mumbai/UP-techie-files-case-against-SpeakAsia/articleshow/18886187.cms
Previously the updates on power page were provided were of Ashok Bahirwani and when he was caught in legal struggle for his hail speakasia and also being a victim he went into background and Aman Azad took over.
Then Aman Azad was called for interogation and he had to reveal his identity before it came in newspapers and then he had to go into background cause he too was hail speakasia which he too stopped and now just puts some dumb motivational videos.
While this was happening one fictitious Satya Bachan was slowly taking over the updater role. Seems whenever someone gets caught someone else takes over. No one is bothered to ask this Satya Bachan his real identity. Maybe when EOW catches him his real identity will be known.
This is what he wrote a couple of days back.
Lol a company cannot be in touch or provide updates to its panelist thru that blog because legal team has said not to.
Then who provided that fake exit option update? Or is it that some panelist was involved who created that blog and he wrote about exit option & when EOW proved exit option was a sham that person managing that blog stopped updating fearing getting caught.
If EOW is wrong that Exit option is a forgery as mentioned in the old TOI news then the speakasia blog should have provided a proof of being right but the updater dissappeared.
There might be cases going against vodafone, sahara etc but u dont see their management run away but instead you see their bosses and management communicating.
If only panelist understand this difference between these companies & speakasia they can easily find out that speakasia was a scam that is why Manoj Kumar & Haren Kaur dissappeared and actually it was run by seven rings in background.
In my opinion, even if the blog is updated with the proofs and justification that these are true and authentic it won’t make any difference. AISPA has already displayed all the exit payment proofs which were made available.
The sanctity of those proofs are being questioned repeatedly on this blog and by TOI but the fact is that those are not being challenged anywhere else. I don’t know why the same questions are repeatedly being asked. Refer my comments under #266 and #269.
Further if EOW feels that exit option is a forgery, then they have enough means to find out that these are fake and they should challenge it quickly on the right platforms.
This will re-impose faith of panelists in EOW as EOW has lost its credibility in panelists mind by their case dragging behaviour. (Once referred to by one of the learned judges also).
The panelists are dismayed at large at the inefficiency of EOW who have all the powers vested with them but have not been able to get hold of the officials who in their eyes are absconding. Just giving statements in the press are not helping us panelists’ cause.
Nothing solid is appearing in the courts till now from the EOW.
It is almost 2 years now but the case has not moved at all in a direction where by panelists are assured that something is being done by EOW for their cause.
If Powers page and AISPA were not active on various fronts, the current case would have also died its natural death as many other cases. In fact innocent people have lost their hard-earned money in most of the cases and EOW and other agencies have not been able to get back their money in any of the cases as far as I am aware.
At least with our efforts the company has started exit options and have refunded money to a few persons which has never ever happened earlier in the history of this country with so many MLM and networking firms fleeing off in this country.
Oh please Sanjeev.
All the exit option payments were was Manoj Kumar and friends paying back those who funded the Kkhosla payout, organised by Bahirwani’s wife, our very own “anju”.
Nobody paid other than those in bed with AISPA – not hard to put 2 and 2 together.
Criticism of the EOW aside, let’s not confuse Ponzi scheme operators with Santa Claus.
Ok. even if I agree with what you are saying OZ, Don’t you think that EOW is lacking somewhere in this case.
oz i request this sanjeev khanna also a leader pls find out this person ip and give it to EOW.
Mine 2.80 lac Rs duped by speak asia, im really angry now why this AISPA person now supporting speak asia, are those geting payment from back door?
no investor are now hapy with speak asia, all we knw we are used by aispa & speakasia. i also applied for exit then wy i was not paid?? pls find out all those culprit who are still coming from AISPA side ,& give it to EOW we will punished them at any cost. we need our money.
@sanjeev khana pls don’t misguide the investor, u earned huge comission by referring invester, u told somewhere in this post ur invested in 1 panel, ur liar, then wt interest ur getting from speak asia side to make positive enviourment.
u cheater leader getting money from singapore now miss guide all of us. shame on you, we hv lost our hard earn money, and now u defend speakasia& aispa side wt a mockery!!!
really we are not hapy,our hard earned money now gone..oz
pls do something here lot of investor till now asking wen they would get refund. pls i req @oz, help us to get bk our hard earned money,we are not that much rich to survive. 🙁
@Sanjeev Khanna
Ya like Speakasia and AISPA has proved that Speakasia was doing a legit business.
As we have seen each and every case filed by Speakasia or AISPA is rejected without giving any beneficiary results to panelists.
Investigation agencies are not accountable to refund any money invested by people in any (fraudulent) scheme.
Does it prove that Speakasia was doing a legit business? And why pay few persons why not all the persons?
There are some basic issues which are not handled by Speakasia as a real company
– Speakasia failed to prove its business was legit in SC, HC, RBI or any other authority
– if Speakasia is not a scam why no officials are coming in front
– why Speakasia is not paying all the panelists?
– Speakasia has failed to describe if they have carried out any steps to legalize the business like registering the company, making PE in India, acquired proper permissions from various authority etc.
You are barking up the wrong tree.
Lol. If we follow Sanjeev’s logic it’s all govt agencies are to be blamed for speakeasia not paying panelist. It was EOW as per Sanjeev Sharma who planted Manoj Kumar, Aman Azad (Vivek Sharma), Pal Brothers, Seven Rings all known in ponzi world doing illegal ponzi business which close down and they end being the beneficiaries.
As per Sanjeev it was EOW who told Manoj Kumar and his team not to register speakeasies in India and run and collect money illegally and transfer chores out and enjoy life.
It was EOW who must have given this revolutionary business idea of Survey Income without having any real clients and pay money of new joinings to up line & the joined till you get caught and when get caught change entire website which use to claim Asia’s biggest survey company to a opinion gathering company which pays reward points and not money as previously claimed when making new joinings.
It seems these people of power page along with AISPA give carrots to down liners or Sanjeev loves to take carrots from Bahirwani. Previously Ashok Bahirwani use to give them carrots by saying our beloved company, jai speakeasies etc and later Bahirwani became a victim of the fraud !!!
Read the order of court carefully it is written he claims to be a victim of fraud.
Either your English is poor or you are not reading those judgements carefully or you love to accept carrots or you have been assured benefits by AISPA after the dust settles and you are with conspirators who first hail speak Asia and then claim victims.
Because truth is you guys know Aman Azad was Vivek Sharma and Manoj Kumar is the brother in law of Vivek Sharma as written on various websites.
EOW and CID will only handle the criminal side of the case, not the civil part.
The panelists will need a court order for HOW the civil claims should be handled, and by WHOM.
The agency that should normally handle both criminal and civil sides of a case was unable to identify its jurisdiction (post #93 and #97).
What’s needed here is probably that a group of panelists can file a PIL Public Interest Litigation before the Supreme Court, about HOW to handle the civil claims, e.g. about giving it some priority and about identifying the correct methods to use.
Police agencies do not have the jurisdiction to handle civil claims. They can ENFORCE orders from a court about it, e.g. an order about returning stolen goods to a victim. But they don’t have the jurisdiction to DECIDE how to handle claims.
A PIL is a class action lawsuit, “Panelists vs Government of India”. It’s not directly about the individual civil claims, but about the RIGHTS to have the civil claims handled properly, e.g. about identifying the correct authority and instructing it in how to handle the case.
A PIL will fail if people are focusing on their individual claims rather than the RIGHT to have their claims handled properly. It has to focus on each and every panelist as a whole GROUP with similar rights. It has also to be “solvable in court” (a court can’t solve all types of cases).
The RESULT of a PIL should be about the Supreme Court instructing government agencies or lower courts about how to handle the civil claims in the case, e.g. whether to separate civil claims from the criminal side of the case or to handle it side by side. It can be about identifying the jurisdiction, about identifying methods, or about more general questions about the rights.
A PIL is about getting “green lights” from the Supreme Court for making changes to the current procedures, e.g. where government agencies are failing to identify their own jurisdiction. It can be about INTERPRETING the law for them.
The main problem for panelists is that the civil claims haven’t been handled properly. The Government of India has solely focused on the criminal side of the case, and has been unable or unwilling to put up solutions for the victims.
That was only an EXAMPLE. I haven’t exactly STUDIED the Indian Court system in details.
To solve a problem, you will first need to identify it CORRECTLY, e.g. be able to CLEARLY describe what the problem is about.
Usually it’s not about what people can see right in front of their own nose, it’s about something different, e.g. SpeakAsia’s problems wasn’t caused by Star News or negative media reports, it was caused by its own business model and the lack of real clients.
If people can’t identify the problem clearly they can’t expect to solve it either. The main problem here is that the civil claims haven’t been handled properly in an organised manner. It’s not about FIRs, WRITs and PILs, but about handling people’s rights properly.
In this case, I believe the investors first will have to establish their RIGHTS before the problem can be solved, the Fundamental Rights that CAN be established by a court.
Rights can be about being represented by a professional civil party, e.g. about having the Court to appoint a temporary Receiver to protect the civil claims (or instruct lower courts about a solution like that).
A Receivership is a CIVIL entity, comparable to the temporary companies they set up to handle bankruptcy cases. It’s appointed by a court to handle civil claims in a case, e.g. collecting recoverable assets on behalf of the creditors.
I’m not pointing out that as exactly the solution to use, only as one of the possible solutions people should look at.
A Receivership can solve the following problems:
* it can communicate with the parties, outside court
* it can receive and verify claims from creditors
* it isn’t bound by limited jurisdiction
* it will have a lawyer’s rights, e.g. to insight in documents
* it can act as a professional party in cases, not limited to specific geographical jurisdictions.
The Indian authorities didn’t have the correct jurisdiction to file claims against SpeakAsia in Indonesia. A civil entity won’t be bound by jurisdiction issues like that, it can file both civil claims and criminal complaints in other geographical jurisdictions.
So far, none of the investors have successfully been able to solve their civil claims in court. A FIR is about a criminal offence, not about civil claims. Civil claims haven’t really reached the court system other than in WRIT 383, a flawed case.
The civil claims in WRIT 3611 were solved by a settlement between two of the parties, not by a court order. Civil claims were actually outside the scope of that case.
The Supreme Court gave a guideline for how to solve civil claims in WRIT 383, point #9 in the Final Order. Each and every investors will have to be offered equal rights, as a general principle rather than a binding order.
Individual investors do not have the right to solve their individual claims on the expense of other investors, e.g. the 115 panelists’ claims could not have been solved by the Supreme Court.
Here’s that/those parts of the order:
Article 32 is about the right to move the Supreme Court to issue certain Writs (or something), a right defined in the Fundamental Rights section of the Constitution.
The order doesn’t RESTRICT lower courts from finding other solutions within their own jurisdiction, “the law will take its own course”. But it guides lower courts about the viewpoint of the higher court, “if the case is brought before our jurisdiction (e.g. as a case about Fundamental Rights), we can’t accept individual claims to be solved on the expense of other individual claims”.
It’s possible to use that order to identify potential problems with individual claims, e.g. if a group of investors are filing civil claims against a party (SpeakAsia, Seven Rings, Manoj Kumar, the msnagement, etc.).
A civil claim brought before a lower court can be halted if it violates the Fundamental Rights of other people, e.g. 500 investors can’t successfully win a claim where they will be paid in full, while the other 1.2 million investors will have to share the rest of the recoverable assets.
If you’re not able to protect the interests of ALL investors, you won’t be able to protect your own interests either. All investors have equal rights to have their interests protected.
@Sanjeev
In investigative powers maybe. Kumar and friends need to be brought back to India kicking and screaming if must be.
Bahirwani’s theatrics in court need to be challenged and whatever is going on with the FIRs needs to be sorted out to.
That said, the EOW’s investigative problems are seperate to the whole exit payment fraud issue (which at least they’re investigating so that’s something).
@amit
I can keep the channels of information flowing but apart from that there’s not much else. I’m no fan of Ponzi schemes but ultimately dealing with them is for the authorities.
Only Indians can help themselves, usually by complaining to police and EOW about how they were victimized, instead waiting and HOPING that AISPA or SpeakAsia will somehow pay you all.
This makes some sense.
Very true.
Thanks M_Norway for throwing some more clarity on the issue.
@M_Norway
That’s the main problem regarding panelists of SpeakAsia. Most of them aren’t ready to accept (intensenally or un intensenally) that SpeakAsia was a scam. Until you accept that you have been robbed or cheated by someone you won’t be able to find the right solution.
I disagree with your view to find a solution using civil side of the matters. In my opinion civil side of the case is hard to justify in case of SpeakAsia. SpeakAsia never was a legit business; unless the criminal side of the case is solved properly it’s hard to solve the civil matters if any.
SpeakAsia’s management was running various scams in the past. There are more chances that initial investment in SpeakAsia was collected through various scams. You can’t claim your rights in such situation. You can hope that the authority will take proper punishable actions against the scam operators but how can you hope that government will try to return your money.
“Take an example, if any XYZ company is running a scheme where you can double your money in 123 amount of time. After investigation it is revealed that XYZ was actually counterfeiting currency and giving fake currency for the actual money. Here the business of XYZ itself is illegal. Government authorities can’t go for civil rights without investigating the whole operation of XYZ. Also you can’t except that government will try to get your money back after investing it into a fraud business.”
Yes government authority should identify and stop such fraud scheme or business in beginning. But you can’t blame the government for the whole situation.
People should do a background check about such companies or schemes before joining. If they find any suspicious or shady activity they should report to proper authority as soon as possible. Before asking for your civil rights people should act as a responsible civilian.
Those who know the operators behind SpeakAsia or its shady scheme have informed the authorities with their knowledge? Are they aware about unlawful activity they are doing? It’s not always about courts to prove anything is right or wrong. Sometimes there is a moral responsibility of citizens to come forward and nab such schemes and its operators before asking your civil rights.
After my recent questions on panelist’s woes,nice to see none of the comments address panelists’ woes (except for M_Norway). Thanks for the unending support you all.
This is not a panelist support website. My interest in Speak Asia does not extend past the MLM company and
management“characters” running it.If you’re after support you’re probably better off sticking to Facebook and the (now mostly silent) cheerleading Speak Asia blogs. I’m only keeping track of Speak Asia to see how the aftermath of India’s biggest ever Ponzi scheme plays out.
There are thousands of MLM or “Get rich scheme”s are operating in India right now, how SpeakAsia is different?
When people join such schemes they are well aware that they might lose their money. Do people inquire about such schemes or companies before joining or do they seek government permission before joining?
On BehindMLM we knew from sometime that SpeakAsia is associated with Seven Rings International. SpeakAsia admitted that only after EOW published this information.
Why panelists don’t ask SpeakAsia about its shady operation, its owner, or its clients instead of following useless blog run by unknown person(s)?
Try to read the review by Oz “Speak Asia Review: Combining MLM and surveys” it is still appear as true as in March 2011 and where is SpeakAsia?
And here are some of Anju’s comments just for reference
Because, I hate to say it, most people are like sheep… Meek, humble, cannot and will not fight, easily lead or intimidated by sheepdogs (leaders).
All scammers have to do is make sure that *their* guy jumps out ahead and act as sheepdog before any of the sheep decides to be a sheepdog. (Khoosla decided to be a sheepdog, and AISPA paid him off)
Here is a comment posted on Times Of India page below Mateen Hafeez’s article:
http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2013-03-10/mumbai/37597764_1_speakasia-tarak-bajpai-mumbai-economic-offences
I have been hearing that most of the people who formed AISPA and visited Shirdi were people who made a lot of money from SpeakAsia and here is one example of Shaily Sood whose husband was a franchisee of speakasia and must have made crores of rupees.
They all want speakasia to restart but they know even if it did it will come out with a revolutionary business model of paying only 10 or 20% cash for a survey and rest as reward points.
The panelist would end up being fooled by speakasia and these franchisee to buy chinese low grade products unlike previously where speakasia was boosting of German products. The same panelist who thought this was a survey company as told to them and they would be earning cash by way of surveys, joined this company.
I have sent the following letter to Shri Ashok Bahirwani a few days earlier:
Navniit Sir
After your letter to Ashok Bahirwani it seems SpeakAsia suddenly filed a writ in the HC today. Here is what is posted in SpeakAsian Powers page:
It seems what you write to Ashok Bahirwani becomes to known to management of SpeakAsia and their lawyers immediately swing into action.
Or maybe who knows Ashok Bahirwani might have spoken to the lawyers of SpeakAsia as AISPA and SAOL (Manoj Kumar) lawyers are the same and due to your letter Bahirwani asked them to filed a writ.
amit i think ur post have showing some direction .
i also urged to navnit khosla, pls bring back investor money,we are keen to get some help from you guys. we can’t fight in court, if Navnit ji can help us.
just give the oportunity to company too release back the data for repayment. and condition also shuld be for the speak asia mangement to fullfill release of investor money within specific 2 or 3 weeks.
At the end of the day you can’t buy yourself out of running the largest Ponzi scheme in Indian history.
Kumar is just trying to appease the courts with false promises (pay ten people, did that work? No. Pay some more, did that work? No etc.) to get back into India.
Of course he’s free to return to India at any time already… but continuing to dodge the law and staying out of jail appears to be at the top of his priority list.
@Rakesh
If you want my help in what capacity I can give it, here it is:
Manoj Kumar is not going to pay you or anyone else your money back. It’s his Ponzi scheme retirement fund, some of which has been no doubt by now shared with his Seven Rings buddies and laundered into god knows how many countries.
This latest FIR is yet another ploy by Speak Asia in what appears to be an effort to test the jurisdictional boundaries of the Indian authorities.
If you want swift justice, petition Manoj Kumar to return to India. Nobody is going to get paid other than Kumar’s AISPA cronies and friends.
In a Ponzi scheme there simply isn’t enough money to pay out investors, that’s the fallacy of them.
The anticipatory bail application of Ashok Bahirwani – ABA 1083/13 has been rejected by the Bombay High Court today.
The detailed order will be uploaded by 25.03.2013 and Bahirwani continues to enjoy protection from arrest for seven days after 25.03.13. The Court has passed a brief order today. This means that Bahirwani has all the time to appeal in the Supreme Court.
Today a Senior Advocate of the Bombay High Court appeared for Bahirwani. Abdi & Co. as well as Phoenix Legal were present in full force along with Advocate Abad Ponda. There seemed to be about 7/8 advocates present though Bahirwani left the Court room as soon as the case was taken up after the lunch break.
Money has after all been no consideration. Maybe Speak Asia and AISPA have a special fees arrangement for bulk hearings.
What happened to your intervention Application Navniit K. Looks like you were also given a “nice” hearing by the court today.
If you could brief us on the remarks passed on by the honorable judge on your so called intervention application, the readers here would love to hear (read) the same. You have cleanly omitted remarks of the court on your unwanted position.
Would have been better had you posted about the entire proceedings.
The ABA of Ashok Bahirwani isn’t rejected by the court as the court web site displays something different. The next hearing date of ABA/1083/2012 of Ashok Bahirwani is on 17/04/2013.
Hello Navniit, what you are asking is that since the laws of the land, the government, the judiciary, the law enforcing officers, etc. have been impotent in disbursing fair judgment to the common citizen provided under the Constitution of India coming two years.
All citizens must file FIRs all over India against their friends, acquaintances, uncles and aunts to realize their investments in buying subscriptions in fraud company Speak Asia?
I think that is preposterous to create enmity among the people. Most subscribers had at the most one or two subscriptions per family and created one or two downlines among friends or to other relatives.
The whole list is with the EoW who has the database from where they can derive who were the franchisees and kingpins who need to be arrested and forced to coughout to the downlines.
The EoW of Mumbai can send mass e-mails/SMS to all subscribers as per database (the contact e-mail addresses, mobile nos and residential addresses are in the said database) asking them to give Vakatlama (letter of authority) to EoW to register FIRs against their uplines.
Then EoW, Mumbai can send these Vakatlamas to EoWs in respective States from where the subscribers’ Vakatlamas have originated for further action in the courts unless the High Court of Mumbai allows all-India subscribers, consolidated case to be filed in Mumbai itself. A software can do the needful in a jiffy.
If the Speak Asia website is handed over to AISPA or the fugitive management of Speak Asia, then who are they going to pay and how much? At best to only those who did not earn worthless points more than Rs11k and then make a re-start of selling unknown brand of consumer goods!!
So Bahirwani was denied in the sessions court, denied in the High Court… does he really think the Supreme Court is going to be any different?
Sounds to me like the EOW are hedging their bets on Bahirwani being the card to bring the house down. “Jai SpeakAsia” is probably going to dissipate pretty fast when Bahirwanis sitting in jail for his part in locally running Speak Asia.
@Jutamaro,
I have not said or meant the above. What you are saying is preposterous! All I am saying is that the upline should refund the investment of the downline preferably with interest.
This will ensure a peaceful settlement of account. All the binary income should be fully refunded to the downline investors.
I have to go and will complete this later!
Navniit Kkhosla ji, your view that the upline should refund the investment of the downline preferably with interest is really marvelous and mind blowing. But how is it possible?
They are filling one and another new writ stalling the judicial proceedings thus the matter is still in pending. Who will bell those uplines?
The Anticipatory Bail Application ABA/174/2013 of Vivek Roopchand Sharma alias Aman Azad is adjourned to the next hearing 26/03/13. No arrest uptill then. The cheer leaders again started to thank one another.
It’s really very surprising that only for an Anticipatory Bail Application the court is unable to decide what to do or not, hearings keep going on and the accused enjoy the relief on the mercy of the court.
Summer Vacation in High Court of Bombay: From Tuesday 14th May, 2013 to Sunday 09th June, 2013 (both days inclusive)
They again succeed in their plan after filling an another writ WP/1127/2013 and the hearing date is scheduled to 22-04-2013. Nothing is going to be happened in the year 2013 once again. Another delaying tactics through a new writ.
I want to do Fir against ashok bharwani,aman azad,anand prasad,dipankshu all of power page admin who are still now fake motivating the investor .wt was done till now by this scam speak asia company ?? anything are they saying in-front of investor wen they gonna get exit money,why this bastard ashok bhawarni( shame on this guys,look wt’s ur age and u scamming people just name of funding aispa as well speakasia) and aman azad,anad prasad,dipankshu,dipankar sarkar not behind the bar. i want fresh FIR to do against them in kolkata.I lost my money and hope as well.pls suggest me how can i do FIR against this scamming person
Strange, SpeakAsia has filed a writ requesting access to their Server which they say is with EOW so that they can make Exit Payment.
That means all that proof of previous exit payment were fake !!!
So what does Sanjeev Khanna has to stay about this.
Maybe like MLM guys he will come up with another story for this.
sanjeev khana one of the scamming leader in speak asia, he is just fake motivating the investor.
pls oz look back his activty from where iz he posting, and let us knw it. we will trace this bastard and inform in our cyber cell dipartment, we are scammed by this sanjeev, ashok kind of folks.
now it’s our turn to find them & hand over to EOW.
I’m sure the EOW could track him down if he was of relevance to the case. I don’t think Khanna is on the same level as Bahirwani, Azad and the other AISPA defacto management ringleaders, so they probably won’t bother.
Same as in ANY FIR, gather all your evidence (written, printout, recording, maybe downloaded video/ audio on USB drives), even testimony from you and fellow victims. Organize it and give it to EOW.
I believe Mr. Kkhosla will help you with the forms. His contact information is available if you search this site. He had posted me many times.
Those who are already the members of AISPA and feeling cheated by this association can lodge FIR against this so called fraud association and its so called officials otherwise they can lodge FIR against their upliners as Mr. Navniit Kkhosla had done.
Those who are not the members of AISPA can’t lodge FIR against this so called association or against its so called officials because these people are not directly associated with the victimized people.
If some people are members of this fraud association from a long time can file a writ in the High court on the basis of IPC 406 (breach of trust). The IPC 406 can do a lot against this fraud association and its so called fraud officials. But it is necessary to be a member of this fraud association AISPA.
All the officials can be nailed after that very easily.
@ OZ,
Sorry to say such things but you can better judge the situation than me.
Right from the beginning if you see all the case orders where Ashok Bahirwani and special public prosecutor Mr. Pradip Gharat are present, you will get that special public prosecutor Mr. Pradip Gharat is very mild towards Ashok Bahirwani and it seems that he has got some special affection for Ashok Bahirwani as well.
One side Mr. Gharat claims that Ashok Bahirwani is the main conspirator and manipulating all these nexus but on the other hand Mr. Gharat feels very cool and calm after saying this that the applicant will not be arrested till such and such date. What a great story of ‘Hostility and Intimacy’ that is going on not less than from two years.
What does it all show? It completely shows that EITHER Mr. Gharat is not confident about the conspiracy and nexus of Ashok Bahirwani after saying against of the company of Bahirwani that he has been victimized by the business model of the company OR there is HAND IN GLOVE between special public prosecutor Mr. Pradip Gharat and Ashok Bahirwani.
Or Mr. Gharat is, what we call in the west, a “bleeding heart” full of sympathy for any sort of “victim”.
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/bleeding+heart
No need to apologise Sajal. You and I agree that either way Bahirwani has a much bigger hand in things than he publicly lets on (which no doubt the EOW know).
Normally fraud is connected to an ACTIVITY, not to an ASSOCIATION?
There’s a flaw in the logic here. People can’t join AISPA so they can BECOME victims, they will have to BE victims of some illegal activity. They can’t BECOME victims voluntarily by joining an association. 🙂
The main person people should sue is Manoj Kumar and his different companies, Seven Rings, Podium Ring, SpeakAsia, Seamless Outsourcing and the 2 other companies involved in money collecting, eventually DSA, eventually some unknown companies.
The main scam was SpeakAsia, the scam where people were cheated for money. SpeakAsia wasn’t a real company in India, it pretended to be one. It was a marketing name rather than a company for most of the time.
I believe it’s time for people to hire a professional lawyer to analyse the case for them, for the whole group of people. People are simply too eager to choose ANY solution, but some of the suggested solutions don’t make much sense.
Here’s some additional info, from some temporary notes I made when browsing through old articles a year ago.
Money was collected from Franchisees and other major sales points by 3 of Manoj Kumar’s companies (Tulsient, Kritanj Management, Seamless Outsourcing).
A fraction of the money, appr. the size of the subscription fee, was sent to SpeakAsia or Haren Ventures. That is the 2,276 crore that is officially mentioned by several sources.
Another part of the money was sent to around 100 different accounts outside India, e.g. AdMatrix, Seven Rings and others. We can estimatee it to 4,800 crore for the purpose of this analysis, just to use a number.
1,052 crore is believed paid out to investors.
SpeakAsia had 42 (founding?) members in 2010.
Members in 2011:
Maharashtra (ex. Mumbai) 356,000
Mumbai 130,000
Uttar Pradesh 770,000
Estimated total: 18-19 lakh, including Bangladesh
Other financial info:
Haren Kaur reported $482 million USD in bank accounts, 4,800 crore INR total assets, around May/June 2011
CONCLUSIONA lawyer will probably be able to collect the correct info from EOW and other involved authorities, if he know what to ask for.
To be able to collect any money through a court, “start from the top” is the best strategy. Sue the person or company in control of the money DIRECTLY, don’t make it become more complicated than that.
Sue Manoj Kumar and related parties DIRECTLY, on behalf of all the victims. Individual claims will potentially be unsolvable in court, and it will only delay the case.
I don’t understand the idea of “starting from the bottom”, e.g. sue your upline and HOPE that strategy eventually will lead to the money?
The civil claims can potentially be solved outside court, but that’s not very likely to happen. The EXIT option has only been a strategy to DELAY claims, not solve them.
Some of the sources to my previous post, with links disabled.
amounts involved and some similar topics.
moneylife.in/article/will-speak-asia-refund-money-to-all-panellists/23615.html
dnaindia.com/mumbai/report_speakasia-investors-pocketed-rs1052-crore_1592858
deccanchronicle.com/channels/cities/hyderabad/interpol-speak-asia%E2%80%99s-trail-526
mumbaimirror.com/article/2/2011100120111001020731998a655a9f8/Speak-Asia-didn%E2%80%99t-have-clientssurveys-were-fake.html
Information in some of the comments?
behindmlm.com/companies/speak-asia-online/aispas-ashok-bahirwani-is-completely-misguided/
NOTE:
The information in my previous post is from a temporary storage of information, Windows “NoteBook” used as a clipboard while I was analysing different articles. It’s not ORGANIZED in any ways.
@ M_Norway
You have described some of the fraud companies of the biggest fraud Manoj Kumar Sharma which people don’t ignore.
But what do you think about AISPA or some Speakasians Powers group of facebook? By whom these two groups or associations are being handled or instructed for a long time?
Did you ever seen the two IDs ‘JAI SAOL’ and ‘SATYA BACHAN’ who are very active in these two groups or association, threatening the people that company will delete the IDs of such people who will say anything wrong or against the company or CEO and COO when it restarts.
Both the IDs of JAI SAOL and SATYA BACHAN are defending the fraud CEO Manoj Kumar Sharma and the 1/2 mind COO Tarak Bajpai?
Did you ever seen that the worthy father (Bimlendu Bajpai) of worthy son (Tarak Bajpai) is also very active and defending his beloved son on face book in some groups.
This worthy father is always in contact with the biggest scam king Manoj Kumar Sharma and for your kind information, this worthy father is also a high profile panelist in the company and the achiever of top performer award with a certificate in some BLACK FORUM program or seminar of the company in Mumbai.
Any idea about these two IDs of ‘JAI SAOL’ and ‘SATYA BACHAN’ who threaten/terrorize the people and defend the CEO and COO of the company? Why people should not lodge FIR against AISPA?
Focus on the reality (the money you have lost) rather on the emotions (what you feel about Bahirwani and others). A court can only give you some money back, the money you initially lost in 2011. And that was lost to SpeakAsia and Manoj Kumar, not to Bahirwani.
The case against Bahirwani is a weak case, the part I know about. EOW obviously has something more on him, but we don’t know what that is. Focus on what you KNOW rather on what EOW possibly can have on Bahirwani. Don’t lose track and let yourself be distracted by unimportant stuff.
STRATEGY
Work in ONE main direction = try to get your money back as best as you can, even if you will have to accept a monetary loss, even if it involves settlements or whatever it involves.
I have focused solely on that, e.g. when Hotoi Sema said he couldn’t afford spending time and money in court, then I focused on his chances when using the EXIT option.
If Manoj Kumar want to settle something, I believe people should accept it and lower their claims. Focus on the MONEY rather than on putting people in prison. But focus on legally acceptable solutions too, don’t focus SOLELY on the money.
Bahirwani is only a DISTRACTION. People have allowed him to distract their attention away from more important parts of the case. I’m trying to direct people’s attention back on track.
I have ignored most of the distractions, only checked a few briefly.
The main scam happened in 2011, when people joined a fraudulent business and invested money. My focus has been directed towards that fact, not towards subsequent events.
I have identified, as best as I can without access to original sources like the database, the important information in the case (e.g. WHO to sue for WHAT, on behalf of WHOM, focusing on the top of the foodchain where that has been possible to identify).
@Sajal Sameer
It’s rather off-topic from the current discussion, but …
[Background story, unimportant]
When Bahirwani had one of his “inspired moments” around February 2012, I seriously believed he was on drug. When people starts to talk about being in contact with their inner soul, feeling the love and affection from their followers, and other more extreme spiritual statements, then I will normally start to check the symptoms on the internet.
His symptoms matched LSD, fungi poisoning and similar chemical / biological causes, but they also matched some religious experiences. So I googled and tried to identify some of his statements, limiting the search to religious philosophy and self development principles (the ones that can cause people to lose contact with reality).
Bahirwani’s delusions aren’t very important to me, I just wanted to know if he was ACTING crazy, or whether it was a temporarily or permanent real condition. But he was “back to normal” (from other people’s viewpoint) two days later, so it was probably temporarily.
I didn’t really find anything of importance, but I found something else that I can use as a “tool”.
[The primary point]
People will need 2 simple basic IDEAS or PRINCIPLES to be able to start from the right point and work in the right direction.
1. Right view
2. Right intentions
Test your IDEAS against the first point, e.g. “Do I see this clearly and correctly, and am I focusing on the right part of what I’m looking at?”.
Test your ACTIONS against both points, e.g. “WHY am I doing this?”. People will NORMALLY fool themselves about their own intentions. Most often it won’t become a problem, but sometimes it will. People will need to solve potential problems with their own intentions.
[Original source, unimportant]
The 2 basic principles were picked up from BUDDHA, but I’m seriously not using them for the same purposes. People will probably be distracted if they look into it from a perspective like that.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noble_Eightfold_Path
[The secondary point]
I will probably TEST people’s ideas against the first principle, Right view, e.g. by giving “alternative viewpoints” or asking questions.
That might cause some emotional and logical disturbances (it normally WILL). People will normally get very “attached” to their own ideas about how things work and what a problem is about, e.g. SpeakAsians identified Star News to be the cause of the problem rather than SpeakAsia itself.
I will normally NOT test people’s ideas against principle #2, “Right intentions”. But I will do it if it’s a necessary step, e.g. if some intentions are clearly a hindrance to see things clearly.
Bahirwani and AISPA clearly failed a test against principle #2, i.e. in whether his intention was to protect the interests of the average panelist or to protect the interests of the management.
[Conclusion]
I am using very specific methods and ideas in some parts, and they are relatively uncomplicated and easy to understand. They are described in “the primary point”, a small section of this very long post.
I realize this may be something of a cold case by now, but it appears that Mister Colibri is coming (back? IIRC a few of the managers were italian) to Italy. They are now marketing some sort of e-commerce platform, but it looks quite fishy to me.
If my informations are correct they should be in the launcing phase right now, and an acquietance of mine, convinced he’s an early mover, has invested about $2500.
If the past is any indication they will not last very long. Should it be of any interest to you I’ll try to keep you posted in the future.
Seven Rings are at it again?
Got a name for their latest scheme?
mistercolibri.com/it
As you can see here (it’s in italian, I’ll summarize) they’re still standing by the name Mister Colibrì. Except now instead of paying people to watch ADs, they’re selling — as far as I can tell, the language is rather murky — places in an e-commerce platform that they call “Business Center”.
So instead of consumers they’re targeting enterpreneurs now. The interesting bit is they are saying that upon purchasing the space on Business Center, the products that would appear on your online shop are automatically selected, there is no need for inventory or storage, no need for distributors and so on. As if they were taking care of everything from choosing the product to sending it to the final purchaser.
In addition to this, from the consumer’s POV you can purchase a membership to access discounts on the product sold on the Business Center. Notice there is no direct mention of MLM on the site, but my friend is insisting it works like that — I’m sorry I can’t remember the details — and you need your sponsor’s PIN to apply.
Moreover, on the whole site there are plenty of references to “spreading the word”, “bring us your friends” and so on.
It operates in Brazil and Italy. It didn’t have any information in English.
Member: €60
Business Center: €390
Business Center Pro: €1710 (Turbo = 2 x Pro)
I’ll guess the “Pro” is about a 5-pack of Business Centers, organized in a matrix.
Mission:
Something about “Proactive Consumers” (“PROSUMERS”).
Seven Rings has used two types of MLM systems:
1. Binary Pairing
2. 2 “Eightball” matrices (similar to TVI Express)
Binary Pairing pays out for each “pair” of sales, on the left and right side of a matrix, e.g. 1 pair = $20 payout.
Eightball matrices pays out when a matrix is filled with 14 positions under your own (2 4 8). 2 matrices = the first matrix pays out a low amount plus entry into the next matrix, the second matrix pays out a high amount plus reentry into a matrix.
Recruitment systems like that doesn’t belong in any real business model.