Ricochet Riches: HYIP with 50% forced reinvestment
Ricochet Riches go out of their way to claim that they aren’t a high yield investment program (HYIP),
Q: Is RicochetRiches.com an HYIP?
A: Absolutely NOT. Ricochet Riches is a Marketing Network that includes multiple programs that provide several advertising venues to help people promote their primary business.
We also offer commissions for those that promote RR and bring in new members, as well as sharing part of our profits (dependent on retail advertising sales throughout the RR Network) with our members that purchase Advertising.
We are not now, never have been and never will be any kind of investment program.
Unfortunately for them it appears they don’t seem to quite get their own business model, or they think their members (and anyone who goes over their business model and doesn’t swallow the kool-aid) are complete morons.
After analysing Ricochet Riches’ business model, concluding that they are anything but an investment program is both delusional and intentionally deceptive.
Read on for a full review of the Ricochet Riches MLM opportunity.
The Company
There is no information on the Ricochet Riches website about who is running the opportunity or who owns it.
The domain ricochetriches.com was registered on the 3rd August 2011 and the registration information is set to private.
As always, be extremely cautious of joining any MLM opportunity that is not upfront about who is running and/or owns the company.
The Ricochet Riches Product Line
Ricochet Riches allow members to purchase advertising which is then displayed on an inhouse advertising network.
The company also offers members email credits which can be used to send out bulk email (unsolicited or otherwise).
There is no retail product offering from Ricochet Riches with membership being compulsory before any product purchase can be made.
The Ricochet Riches Compensation Plan
Update 19th February 2012 – Ricochet Riches made some changes to their compensation plan on February 14th 2012. In order to keep a record of the original compensation plan I’ve left the original plan details intact below. /end update
There are two basic components of the Ricochet Riches compensation plan:
- investment returns and
- referral commissions
Investment Returns
Upon joining Ricochet Riches and purchasing an advertising pack ($10), Ricochet Riches guarantee members a 150% ROI ($15).
Ricochet Riches do not guarantee the timeframe in which the ROI will be paid out to members, but when 150% of the original investment is made, Ricochet Riches pay out $7.50 and force members to re-invest $7.50 back into the investment program.
Note that the minimum investment amount is $10 so members will have to top up this $7.50 reinvestment with another $2.50 if they wish to re-invest for another 150% return.
Ricochet Riches members are able to invest up to $1000 per hour, capped at $5000 a day.
Referral Commissions
If a Ricochet Riches member recruits someone to the company via an affiliate link, they are entitled to a 10% commission on the money their recruits spend on advertising invest into the program.
5% is also earnt on the investment amounts by your second level recruited members (members who are recruited by members you yourself have recruited).
Any money earnt via referral commissions is paid out in the same 50/50 rule as the investment commissions (paid out in $15 $7.50/$7.50 blocks).
Once a $10 balance is reached in the 50% share the company keeps for free members, this money is automatically invested into the company as per the investment component of the compensation plan outlined above.
Effectively this means that Ricochet Riches eventually get free members to invest in the investment program too.
Joining Ricochet Riches
Membership to Ricochet Riches is free. Free membership entitles you to earn referral commissions as outlined in the compensation plan above.
For those wishing to participate immediately in the investment component of the Ricochet Riches compensation plan upon joining the company, membership effectively costs $10 (at a minimum).
Conclusion
The advertising credits Ricochet Riches members “purchase” are effectively useless.
Why?
Advertising works on the principle of exposure. Ricochet Riches ads are only shown on the Ricochet Riches website, and currently there is no reason to visit the company website unless you are already a company member, or looking to sign up.
Quite obviously the advertising credits are just a front for the investment scheme.
Want more proof?
When was the last time a company guaranteed you a 150% return on the retail purchase of a product?
The advertising network runs off a script which costs Ricochet Riches nothing, meaning there’s no investment into the network by the company. Once they install the inhouse advertising script and flick a switch, all they have to cover are the miniscule bandwidth costs associated with running the network and they’re done.
In fact if you got rid of the advertising altogether, it would have absolutely no impact on the investment at all. You could still give $10 to Ricochet Riches and they’d still be able to guarantee you a 150% return.
Not withstanding that you can’t purchase advertising without joining the company (true retail), Ricochet Riches’ “product” has nothing to do with the compensation plan.
Instead, it’s just a straight up investment opportunity with a unilevel MLM backend that pays out on two levels.
The money Ricochet Riches pays out comes from the investment of new and existing members. Ricochet Riches claim these are retail sales:
When you purchase a Ricochet Riches Advertising Unit, you receive back a portion of the profits of the RR Network based on the net retail sales of the website.
But it’s not possible to purchase anything from the company at a retail level, meaning this is false.
Instead, 100% of the returns Ricochet Riches pays out are generated from the money new and existing members invest into the system.
If we break down the mechanics of the investment program, for every $10 you invest into Ricochet Riches, you get $7.50 back and the company keeps $7.50 (to pay out other investors with).
For an additional $2.50 you can re-invest the $7.50 balance the company keeps, but upon receiving your new investment you’re again only credited $5 back ($7.50 – $2.50).
Breaking it down, for each $10 you invest into Ricochet Riches you get $7.50 back, and for each $2.50 you invest into the balance Ricochet Riches keep for you (which is effectively virtual currency as it has no value outside of the program), Ricochet Riches pay you a return of $5.
The sustainability of the Ricochet Riches is tied into the forced 50% reinvestment rule, but even then it’s not guaranteed.
By capping the investment blocks as above Ricochet Riches ensure that the money being cashed out is never going to cripple the company. Instead, by promising a 150% return but not the time in which it takes to pay out said return, Ricochet Riches can alter the daily return to compensate on the overall real cash invested into the scheme by its members on any given day.
Over time, unless members continue to invest more and more money (which the 50% reinvestment effectively forces them to do) and new members stop joining and investing into the company, the daily return drops and in turn this means the 150% takes longer and longer to reach.
Eventually a point is reached where the daily return is so low that it’s comparable to a term deposit or other less riskier investments and that’s when things fall apart.
Unfortunately with Ricochet Riches forcing members to reinvest 50% of their returns… there’s going to be a strong mental attachment to the company and its sustainability so in this sense Ricochet Riches put off this eventual collapse for as long as possible.
You can turn a profit by just re-investing $10 into the scheme each time (2x$10 investments = an investment of $20 and a ROI of $22.50 ($7.50 x 3)) but mathematically, with money only coming in from members investments and the company itself having to make a profit this is not sustainable.
At the end of the day, like any other dodgy investment scheme Ricochet Riches is just paying out existing members with the money they themselves and the money new members who join pump into it.
Throw in an advertising network that costs nothing to run and you’ve still got a Ponzi scheme. Legally you might be able to claim members are purchasing products, but effectively if you follow the money there’s nothing that differentiates Ricochet Riches from how a Ponzi scheme operates.
Mathematically if the only source of revenue is the investment money being pumped in, it’s always going to be impossible to deliver a 150% return on the money invested.
Yet that’s exactly what Ricochet Riches promise their members…
If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, but insists it’s not a duck, what is it then? 🙂
A Zeek?
No, a lying duck. 😉
The final statements and conclusion should be something like this?
… then we can assume it’s an investment scheme.
thanks for the detailed review.
@Kasey
Apparently a ‘marketing network’ if Ricochet Riches are to be believed.
Trouble is you can’t market anything via their network without joining the company and investing money into their investment scheme.
So which came first, the investment scheme or marketing network?
It’s all a bit chicken or the egg really…
RR makes its profits by buying and selling ad space, which means that it’s not a ponzi scheme.
Some people should learn how to internet works before saying that something is a ponzi. And the products are the ad units.
They will never fail because they know exactly how much is coming in and how much is coming out.
@Jens Holvoet — Can I buy ad spaces from RR? If so, where? If not, then your claim that “products are the ad units” is an unsupported opinion.
Perhaps you should reexamine your own claim’s truthfulness before, as we Yanks say, “swallow the koolaid” (hint: look up “Jonestown”)
No they don’t.
Can I purchase ad space without getting a ROI? No.
Meanwhile I can purchase ad space and never use it, but still participate in the investment scheme, which is really what’s going on over at Ricochet Riches.
Can I purchase said products without joining the company and participating in the investment scheme?
Coming in and coming out? Doesn’t sound like a product based business at all, sounds exactly like an investment scheme.
Agreed, yet here we are.
@Jens Holvoet
I walks like an investment scheme, and quacks like an investment scheme?
The main purpose for participating seems to be Return of Investments ROI, like in all other investment schemes. The advertising doesn’t seem to be an important part at all, it seems more like a method to camouflage the real purpose of the scheme.
Agreements have a low rank in relation to other laws. Parties can’t agree on something that is outside the legal range of an agreement, like matters regulated by other laws. You can’t agree “We don’t have to follow investment laws” or other laws. Statements like “It should be perfectly legal if we call it ‘ad units’ instead of investments” are plain bullshit. Attaching some products to a scheme won’t make it more legal.
Ricochet Riches looks alot more like an investment- and recruiting scheme than some solution for marketing. Most of these schemes will collapse before they have been able to take off from the runway.
This scheme even forces you to reinvest money into it. This doesn’t exactly sound like some marketing solution? It doesn’t sound like a good solution for the users either.
I love Ricochet Riches,joined last October 2011 and made more than 200%. I had bought 10 ad units, received 1 ad unit free…..so total 11 ad units. Today, I have more than 26 ad units. I am trying to push units up to 50.
I have only one active ref from a foreign country.
Oz, once I asked you to write (or asked your opinion, not sure) about Just Been Paid and you told me that it wasn’t MLM yet you wrote about RR…Strange!
Both have them one similarity – 2% daily up to 75 days.
I know you – Oz, Chang, M_Norway – are screaming PONZI on this one and I won’t argue you guys but I just happen to love RR…..may be I won’t have, had RR scammed me LOL!
I can’t remember now, but do Just Been Paid have a multi-level commission structure?
With $260 invested, they might just yet when the time comes to decide whether to cash out or re-invest.
I’ve heard the daily returns have plummeted from 2% to ridiculously small figures, also that they’re looking at bringing other revenue streams in to prop up the ponzi side of the business… confirm?
Ricochet Riches have suspended all payments until February 14th.
Looks like they hit that sustainability ceiling and are trying to work out how to get members to inject more cash into the system to keep the investment returns going.
Good luck with that guys… another ponzi bites the dust.
@ kChange – They have an advertising account you can sign up for to just purchase advertising/ it was on the site under “ready for this” ADVERTISING – wow – I know its hard to find ADVERTISING with a name like ADVERTISING in the Choices, and that is very sneaky of them to use ADVERTISING for Advertising. How dare they do that. Scammers.
What idiot is paying for advertising on a website where the only people viewing it are there to check their investment return progress?
It’s just a front to mask the investment scheme.
edit: I’m aware Richochet Riches are unsuspending the investment scheme today, so it’ll be interesting to see what they add to try and keep the ponzi going just that bit longer.
Unfortunately they’ve made no changes to the investment side of things so it’s still going to go bust eventually.
@Oz – I use it for advertising, and I get sales all the time for my product – so umm, whats wrong with that? and its never been an “investment” site – so again, why are you beating up this website and building strawmen to do so?
I dont get it? Oh wait, its the internet, where people can say whatever they want without proof – in which you have none cause no where on the site in the terms or FAQ does it say its an investment site, I know, I checked before Joining — but whatever… Later
I ,along with others,have been ripped off!
As stated above,the advertising is useless..The only people that see the ads are members who have thousands of credits to get rid of amongst themselves!
I have yet to get any sign ups for my primary programs from ricochet.I get signups elsewhere for less I feel sorry for those that invested 1,000’s of dollars with ricochet riches. they will never see their money !
After a 2 week shutdown for “renovation”..they are asking for more money from members, Again I was ripped off!!
joey? do you work for ricochet?..you are so misinformed then
@joey
And what product is that son?
Well if the company says so…
The business model on the other hand requires you to make an investment, upon which you receive a return and some advertising credits.
Ergo Ricochet Riches is an investment scheme. You want proof? Go look at the business model.
I’ll be going over Richochet’s latest ‘let’s keep the ponzi going longer’ changes released today in a later article. The most amusing change is they’ve capped everyone to a 20% payout with 40% forced re-investment lol.
Oh and the $12.95 forced subscription too. Don’t pay $12.95 a month? Don’t get any commissions.
RR have now gone scam, I was earning 1,20 a day on my units, now the cash element is only 6 cents a week! so if I pay the 12.95 to release the cash element I lose 12.21! It will take 300 days before I can withdraw. Renewal my foot!
The cash has run out and to avoid a quick shut down they’ve made sure the little guys can earn nothing and they can continue to milk the big guys, give it a few weeks and it’ll go belly up. Oh and the ads total waste of time.
@Pedro
Ricochet Riches was always a scam. A ponzi scheme doesn’t just become a scam because it stops paying out – it always is because the business model is unsustainable from launch.
I think you should write a “special post” explaining that. Many people are cheated by schemers who say “look. It isn’t a scam, many people could withdraw their money. It probes that our company is serious”
@Brazillian
That’s not a bad idea, I’ll add it to the list.
Also thiniking a FAQ is in order at some point too.
FAQ is long overdue. 🙂 it could even cover topics as:
Q: _____ is not a scam! You &$(#*&$#!
A: That’s no a question.
Some of the gullibility, how spot scam vs. MLM, and stuff could go in there too, at least links to existing “theory” articles.
I think it’d be a great resource for would be participants in MLM to have a general list of how to distinguish legit from scam. I’d enjoy reading everyone’s responses to whatever you put up.
{confession: it’s actually the heated responses from participants in reviewed ‘business opportunities’ that provide the most entertainment in reading this blog. There is so much emotion put into this industry.
Many people seem to want to believe that opportunity X is the thing that will transform their life; it’s almost religious. When this belief is challenged the responses are so often vitriolic because the challenge seems deeply personal to them. I could go on…}
@Colsta
A general starting list would be a good idea, cheers for that.
I’m a member of ricochetriches since 1st month of launch I invested $100 and keep reinvesting for 1 month and after that pulling my money out until the end of 2011.
I made in profit and earn 3x of my investment. When ricochetriches start to changed the rules I doubt already and I know that they are out of money already in the program when the program came back I tried again but all my ad units cycle only once a week that’s why ricochetriches is now already scam since the new changes occur.
@jun
Ricochet Riches was always a scam, that’s why they had to pull the plug and make the changes.
The money you earnt was money someone else lost.
@Oz
yah I know all cycle programs is money game that’s why if you join earlier you will make money in the programs. Just like a gambler programs and if your too late to invest you will not earn money.
…you seem a little too oddly comfortable with that.
@jun
Except some cycle programs don’t last more than a few months, even with an admin that has no or good history. So you might make money in some but lose it in others. Do you win more than you lose?
@jimmy
yah I’m making money in cycle and HYIP programs..,:-)
Ricochetriches is now 100% scam since they change the rules. No one makes money already in ricochetriches if they upgrade there account. It cycles only 2-4x a month…, Many investors are all gone to invest there..,