Thailand accepting victim claims against OneCoin & Greenwood
Thailand’s Anti-Money Laundering Office is accepting victim claims against OneCoin and co-founder Sebastian Greenwood.
Just a note before we get into this; I have no idea about Thai law or how this claims process works.
If you want to file a claim and don’t understand something, get in touch with a Thai lawyer.
Requests for assistance on how to file a claim left in the comments will be marked as spam.
In a press-release issued on February 23rd, AMLO provides two documents for OneCoin victims.
The first is a “request for protection of rights”. The second is an announcement from the Thai government.
The announcement reveals victim claims are being sought in connection to recently seized assets belonging to Greenwood.
The press-release states that, as per Thailand’s anti-money laundering law, filling in a request for protection of rights form is the only way to proceed.
(Victims) cannot proceed to request the return of property or compensation for such damage under other laws. Any other legal actions are ineffective.
Victims are instructed to “submit a claim with evidence detailing the (financial) damage” (i.e. losses as a result of investing in OneCoin).
The request for protection of rights form asks for personal information and details of financial damages.
There is no “country” section on form, suggesting only victims residing in Thailand are able to file claims. Non-Thai citizens are required to provide an Alien Identification Card number.
The form explicitly warns victims not to claim “expected profits or rewards”.
It is unfortunately common for Ponzi investors to try to claim imaginary profits that never existed.
Actual losses are the net sum of money in and out. If an affiliate ended up pulling more out of OneCoin than they invested (including any commissions paid), they aren’t a victim.
Victims have until March 23rd to file a claim.
I don’t know if anything will come of filing a form. Apologies over the lateness of this but I only came across the claim press-release earlier today.
How would the process work?
If I got duped into buying a package for 100 and then built a downline that made me money, can I still claim for my 100?
No. If, for you, money out >= money in, you are not a victim; your recruits might be, but you’re not.
What’ll be interesting is the verification process.
Are Thai authorities vetting data against OneCoin’s database. If so, how?
If not, what they’ve seized from Greenwood is going to go fast.
Exactly.
Igor Alberts claims to be a victim FFS.
How could the Thai authorities have any kind of insight into what was paid in, paid out, etc?
I bet this just gets bogged down, the government keeps the cash and anyone who really feels strongly about it has to go the civil route against recruiters.
Sickening.
What happened to Zafar?
What happened in India?
What happened in Argentina?
I bet nothing.
OneCoin criminals released their new One Ecosystem white paper in PDF form:
Link: onelife.blob.core.windows.net/help-faq/white-paper-2022-download.pdf
As expected it gives no explanation how “promotional tokens” form the MLM packages become the “virtual currency” One with purported value of €42,5.
Members are supposed to be “educated miners” but this “mining process” is of course not explained in the white paper, because the promotional tokens have nothing to do with any cryptocurrency mining.
Almost nothing is mentioned about the promotional tokens the scammers distribute in the MLM packages:
The funniest thing about the White Paper is the same old ridiculous claim:
Yeah, right.. 😀
There’s an interesting detail at the end of the white paper:
monetas.ch/de/1619/Oberneuhofstrasse-8-Baar-1.htm?Page=1&Street=Oberneuhofstrasse&StreetNo=8&Zip=6340&Town=Baar
The list names 26 companies. ONE ECOSYSTEM is not mentioned. I suspect that OneCoin scammer Emil Blumer from Switzerland chose this address.
His EDT Swiss GmbH is based in Glarus Nord (Switzerland):
moneyhouse.ch/de/company/edt-swiss-gmbh-13094897841
share-your-photo.com/c3b4e44e0d
edtswiss.ch
Sometimes OneCoin scammer Emil Blumer uses a double name: Emil Blumer-Göllner:
share-your-photo.com/4e238df81e
You can’t fix the value at 42.5 EUR and then claim supply and demand.
If OneCoin ever let investors cash out their Ponzi points we all know what would happen.
Quote from the old DealShaker:
share-your-photo.com/50a9733cfe
Quote from the current DealShaker:
share-your-photo.com/91c386c023
Luca Miatton’s personal Facebook account has disappeared:
facebook.com/luca.miatton
In other news:
In Argentina The Chamber of Accusation of Córdoba ratified the decision of the pre-trial detention order of the 14 defendants in the OneCoin case.
cba24n.com.ar/cordoba/confirmaron-las-prisiones-preventivas-de-los-14-acusados-en-la-causa-onecoin_a6241e2001e8c1bda331c756f
comercioyjusticia.info/justicia/onecoin-confirman-preventiva-de-los-acusados/
What is happening with Ricketts in Germany?
Has anyone heard anything?
@Stevie
The trial had to be adjourned because one of the defendants (Frank Ricketts?) was allegedly ill.
Because of the paywall, the article can only be read by subscribers to the newspaper:
muensterschezeitung.de/lokales/staedte/greven/ein-ruckenwirbel-bremst-onecoin-prozess-aus-2550956?pid=true
Thanks Melanie.
All that OC promoting must be strenuous.
His fraud portal fc-bank.com is also no longer available. This is what the page looks like today:
share-your-photo.com/e1c9e08517
A screenshot from March 11, 2022:
share-your-photo.com/8d8805bc89
Can someone please load the document #472 “Victim Rights” to CourtListener.
It’s in the dockets of all the OneCoin defendants: Mark Scott, Ruja Ignatova, Konstantin Ignatov, Sebastian Greenwood, David Pike and Gilbert Armenta.
I’m out of the office today but have two reviews queued up. Will see how I feel when I get home otherwise will cover tomorrow.
Addition to comments #6 and 7.
The above address in Baar, Oberneuhofstrasse 8, is now the headquarters of EcoSystemOne AG:
share-your-photo.com/1caaf83ff6
OneCoin scammer Emil Blumer holds trainings in this office. An example from today:
share-your-photo.com/a7bf8a2fc6
80.218.51.166/blinco/?Category=ICEAdm&Service=home1&Usr=kalender&slash=
EcoSystemOne AG is managed by the well-known OneCoin scammer Emil Blumer (DealShaker Country Manager Switzerland and Liechtenstein) and Corinne Scheer:
share-your-photo.com/91860bf03b
moneyhouse.ch/de/company/ecosystemone-ag-15094381051
PS: As I mentioned in comment #8, Emil Blumer sometimes calls himself Emil Blumer-Göllner.. Why? Does he have two different identities for his fraudulent business?