MMM Global investors not paid for over a month
A Ponzi scheme will only stop paying investors on one of two conditions:
- investor funds run out or
- banking problems prevent the transfer of money within he scheme
On their website, MMM global proclaim:
There is no сentral account, where all the System money flows to (and where it can be easily stolen from :-)).
All the money is only on the banking accounts of the participants themselves!
That rules out the second condition, which leaves only one explanation as to why MMM Global haven’t been in over a month.
Under the guise of a community that helps eachother, MMM Global sees new investors gift cash to existing investors. Existing investors also re-invest ROI payouts, with both new and existing funds recycled to pay off existing investors.
Within MMM Global, gifting payments among affiliates are known as “get help” payments.
Despite claims by MMM Global and their affiliates that there is no central body governing payments within the scheme, MMM Global itself co-ordinates payments between affiliates.
From what I’ve been able to ascertain, get help payments within MMM Global ceased on or around March 3rd, 2016.
Up until the 20th of March, Sergey Mavrodi (right), owner of MMM Global, provided weekly news updates to investors.
In his last uploaded video however, Mavrodi announced ‘from now on, I think that I won’t be recording video messages weekly. Since, due to the absence of news, it makes no sense.‘
Despite payments within MMM Global grinding to a halt in early March, Mavrodi failed to address withdrawal problems in any of the three videos uploaded that month.
Affiliates have begun to ask questions, with MMM Global support unable to provide them with any answers.
A conversation a few days ago between an Indonesian MMM Global affiliate and “Rhodes” from MMM Global support, went like this:
Affiliate: GH delay started 3-3-2015 (sic) – in Indonesia, why???
MMM Global Support: Sorry for the inconvenience, system is being updated to get rid of scammers and hackers.
Once done GF will be dispatched.
Now the best thing we have to do is to wait patiently and focus on developing/building our team.
The response is somewhat curious, as the reference to a “system” directly contradicts MMM Global’s assertion that there is no “system” behind the scheme.
The lack of such a “system” is often touted as a reason for MMM Global being unable to be shut down.
The reality however is that should authorities shut down the MMM Global website and backend they use to co-ordinate payments, or arrest those running it, poof goes the Ponzi.
Furthermore, analysis of records of coordinated payments within MMM Global, would provide authorities with a road map as to who has paid what and to whom. Useful when it comes to clawbacks and bringing top scammers within the scheme to justice.
Back to our MMM Global support conversation; The affiliate in question went on to ask “Rhodes” when they could expect payments within MMM Global would resume, only to be told:
I cannot comment timeline. Please keep patience all issue will take place soon.
Right.
Here’s some more confusion from MMM Global’s various Facebook pages:
Fshumaf XXX: mmm can u at least be honest if system will nevr allow us to GH and we even scared to invite people , i invited people that never tasted te oney , mmm just b hones with us instead of advertising tell us what is happening.
Aung XXX: the whole world is not getting GH since March 3, 2016 and MMM is not honest enough to explain what is happening. Nobody knows what is going on.
Ayanda XXX: But the chinese are always on the testimonial GH, when you go online, looks like they are the only one getting help.
Chen Ting: Ayanda NO,Chinese is no good! just a little of members get GH and the money <100usd ,most of people can’t get GH too.
Sho XXX: I am waiting for gh last 5 weeks ?? Now what i do ????
Benardine Chinazo XXX: The crises is strong, for a month now no GH.
Marlon XXX: I am.waiting for my GH for 3 weeks already. Who can help me here?
Ple Garagrad XXX: 35 days for waiting for Gh my money. Where ?? Your System can Ph (deposit) but can not for Gh (withdrawal) ..
What do you mean ? scam ? and Bad Notifications progress from MMM from CRO and Mr.sergey mavrodi. He had gone?
I disappointed, You can not change the wolrd. If you do this ???????????
Stephen XXX: Damn! So this end up to be a scam.. I am going to lose my money?
Dipankar XXX: i am also waiting for one month for gh , i cant invite people, if i is going like this how can change the world.
weekly news is also not published by sergei mavrodi,what is happening really we dont know, pls do something fast.
And on and on it goes.
For those who have looked into Sergey Mavrodi’s past Ponzi schemes, what’s happening now shouldn’t come as any surprise. The mathematics of paying out more than is invested can only last so long.
In a Ponzi points model you can bullshit your investors for a bit by paying them monopoly money (see OneCoin). However in a gifting model, funds paid in and re-invested are immediately paid out to existing investors.
Over time the majority of invested funds slowly make their way to initial investors, who have grown balances large enough that over time have withdrawn far more than they initially invested.
Time also sees this pool of investors grow exponentially, until math catches up to the scheme and it collapses.
Again, there’s no monopoly money barrier with gifting payments. A lack of reinvestment at the top-end sees the bottom of the scheme starved of re-invested funds, which means nobody gets paid.
And that’s pretty much what’s going on now in MMM Global.
Suspending outgoing payments for a month within the scheme might see withdrawals resume at some point, but sooner or later they’re just going to run out again.
That’ll see another pause in withdrawals, with each progressive restart collapsing faster and faster.
MMM Global investors now have a choice to make:
You can either face the reality, or continue to hope against hope that Mavrodi has defied the laws of mathematics and MMM Global will pay out in perpetuity.
Oh and one final note, any MMM Global investor who’s told you they’ve been paid this past month (likely an effort to recruit you), is full of crap.
Mavrodi’s long-touted financial apocalypse is indeed inevitable. What he failed to tell you though is it’d be that of his investors.
Update 9th April 2016 – As per an update in the backoffice published a few hours ago, MMM Global has collapsed.
A quote from MMMGlobal SA FB page, “Andrew Globalsman”, Moscow based overseer
Also from a slightly uncomfortable sounding Conley, quoting someone else
Be patient…..lol
But…but…but… I thought this was serverless and there was no central point of failure?
Don’t tell me Sergey Mavrodi and friends are running the show in a centralized manner!
Geez, and here’s me thinking MMM Global affiliates just knew intuitively who to send funds to…
A very painful affliction, frozen mavros, looks like Dr. Sergei’s surgery is shut too….
Just heard an interesting titbit, recently MMM promised to release 10% of frozen mavros if you signed someone up under referral but, even then, no PH’s were matched up with the withdrawal requests.
Well here’s the news folks…
It doesn’t look like J. Ryan Conley got the memo yet:
l have jus put a withdrawal order on mmm 30% and some1 has been allocated to pay me.
LOL, this falls into the “No Shame” category, barely hours after stealing millions…(from MMM RSA FB)
@John
What’s the source on that? It’s not on the MMM Global website and they’ve shut down their official Facebook page.
I’m on the verge of confirming the collapse, just need a source on that message.
Edit: Got it, article will be up shortly.
@DJ Conley lamenting his $4000 loss and those he convinced to invest into the scam. No remorse.
periscope.tv/J_Ryan_Conley/1jMJgMQENQgKL
I see! Conley says, “he never told people to put in a certain amount and it’s not about what you lose, it’s about the people you meet.”
Now he’s trying to be the hero and warn people about possible knockoffs… SMH.
everyone must just accept that the system is down, we made losses, others were luck but unlike me i never tasted the money.
I hope yourl not making empty promices because we have our big moneys in the system.
If this is a plane crash tell us the truth so we won’t have to have hope. it sad on what’s happening because all of us our lives where changed and up graded now this ay common technications do yours best yourl are very popular to have a dirty name like this.
You got scammed in a Ponzi scheme. Sergey Mavrodi is spending your life savings on hookers and blow.
Them’s the breaks.
Seems to me the place to get any money from MMM and copycats are China. Thailand, Philippines. For a while all the money has been flowing there (mainly China) from western countries.
On the 6th of april was my mavrou release date, but till today it says my mavrou are frozen.
i don’t seem to get what the problem is.
why the sytem freez our money???
@Adelaide
Mavrodi skimming his retirment fund of the top + withdrawals exceeding new investment + you were lied to = Ponzi kaboom.
So all those “get help” was Mavrodi helping himself over and over. Now many people don’t grasp the idea that has taken place at all.
No wonder he can start over again and again like it never took place.
Guys it was right there in Mavrodi’s pitch, “the financial apocalypse is inevitable”.
MMM Global’s collapse is the financial apocalypse (of your bank account).
Mavrodi NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!! not MMM 🙁
Mavros are now unfrozen. Media jelous and causing unnecessary panic. Mavrodians let’s make moola #HappyPeople
April fools was 2 weeks ago…
This is unbelievable. How can people read this blog and still invest?
Oz please help me. I just started reading a couple weeks ago but oh don’t get it!!!
This is BehindMLM’s sixth year (as of three days ago) and I still don’t get it.
There’s definitely no shortage of dumbasses in this world.
Hey guys what happen if your money is frozen please help me cos I don’t understand.
It means you invested in a Ponzi scheme and Mavrodi (or your upline) stole it.
IT WAS SAID THE MONEY WILL BE FROZEN FOR 2 WEEKS BUT NOT ITS OVER 2 WEEKES AND STILL FROZEN, PLEASE EXPLAIN.
Sure. You invested in a Ponzi scheme. The Ponzi scheme ran out of funds and collapsed.
You were fed a pack of BS and the admin and top investors did a runner with your money.
Have a nice day.
so this mean we wont get our money back.
That’s generally what happens in a Ponzi scheme.
@NCEDISWA Hopefully the scammer who sucked you into this scam advised you not to invest anymore money than you could afford to lose.
There is no free and easy money.
lesson learned or you can keep repeating this process with the next scam that pops up.
Invest your money and time into something more productive.
i ask for help (GH) since yesterday but mmm couldn’t send me anybody for the payment. plz what is going on i don’t understand again.
Your local chapter of the Ponzi scheme ran out of money and there’s nobody left to pay you.
Meanwhile, one of MMM-2011 leaders – Evgeniy Demkin – was killed on Sept 5.
Was found dead in a hall of Kiev hospital he was staying in , 5 gun wounds, and $10k usd was found in his pocket.
He was also running several other ponzis after the collapse of MMM-2011.
nolink://kiev.segodnya.ua/kaccidents/podrobnosti-derzkogo-ubiystva-v-bolnice-pogib-odin-iz-osnovateley-mmm-749635.html
Thanks for the news, just like the movies. And Sergei’s missing since March….
Note the Thailand connection: depending on who is in whose pocket it might mean a bit of heat brought onto that
cesspoolvibrant business community.I wonder if Parhaila’s protection premiums are about to go up?
What can one do when ur account has stayed up to a month but can not able to make withdrawal rather tellin u frozen account.
@stella
Not much. You paid via bitcoin and your money is gone.
I provide help to someone on 1st of december since then my money was frozen why.
Because MMM Global and all its clones are Ponzi schemes.