Through myWorld Enterprise Program, Lyoness is still “all about positions!”
Five years ago we covered leaked Lyoness internal video, in which owner and CEO Hubert Friedl laid out the company’s business model.
It’s all about positions, positions, positions, positions.
By making downpayments one can acquire positions in the Lyoness system.
I don’t go out to merely register someone, it’s not about registering people for the cashback card. Then I could as well just register you at the nearby swimming pool.
Five years later, nothing has changed.
Lyoness, now known as myWorld, recently held their annual “President Council” in Pamhagen, Austria.
The big announcement at the event was “limited edition discount vouchers” which, as Friedl explained, are available to myWorld affiliates who buy “at the right time”.
For those unfamiliar with Lyoness’ business model, the company originally solicited investment through accounting units.
When regulators in Europe began to crack down on the company they renamed accounting units to “shopping points”, which affiliates invest in through “discount vouchers”.
Limited edition discount vouchers are a vehicle through which myWorld affiliates are able to invest directly into “Enterprise Cloud” positions.
As Friedl (right) explains, limited edition discount vouchers exist solely as a cover for Enterprise Cloud position investment.
You buy a discount voucher at the right time, because this is why it’s “limited edition”, and you’ve got in addition for free… the Enterprise Cloud.
Because you cannot buy an Enterprise Cloud. You cannot buy a cloud.
Please, for compliance this is really important.
You buy a discount voucher. That’s a product and this includes a cloud (position).
And if you talk there right outside, then everybody will understand and we will have no problems.
Because our discount voucher is approved by so many governments, but if we tell people, “Hey, buy a cloud (position)”… cloud (position) is not a product.
The discount voucher is a product and the cloud (position) is part of it for free.
Friedl doesn’t go into which government’s have approved their discount vouchers. Likely because no government I’m aware of has.
A discount voucher is simply pre-paid access to myWorld’s merchant network. In and of itself it is not a product.
So there’s that, and then also the issue of why would myWorld affiliates want Enterprise Cloud positions?
Lyoness Cloud positions first surfaced in 2015, as part of the Lyconet Customer Cloud.
Lyconet Premium Affiliates invested 1500 to 4500 EUR with Lyoness, in exchange for Customer Cloud share positions.
Each Customer Cloud share position paid a passive ROI for six years.
This of course had nothing to do with the merchant network, with Lyoness simply shuffling newly invested funds to pay existing Customer Cloud investors.
This was back in 2015 mind, with affiliates then also investing in “Limited Edition Vouchers”.
Can’t be that limited if the vouchers have been issued to investors for three years running.
Anyway, getting back to the present.
After running through how affiliates invest in Enterprise Cloud positions, Friedl goes on to explain positions are the equivalent of shares in the company.
The cloud works with the myWorld Enterprise, the company specially founded for you.
This represents your share of all our businesses.
And this is just the beginning.
The set up of the myWorld Enterprise starts the operation (in the) second half of the year.
And it starts to grab shares of all this active business streams and invest in the new programs.
So, what do you think? Is it a good investment to invest in myWorld dot com?
Whereas Customer Cloud positions pay a ROI for 3 years (investors must wait 3 years first), myWorld Enterprise Cloud positions pay a passive ROI for 4 years (investors wait 4 years).
As with the original account units, there appears to be several levels of investment within myWorld Enterprise Cloud.
So it’s important for you and your team, be in every EC.
Because you can never know when is the big bang is happen.
Maybe with EC4, we buy a company and sell this company for ten billion… and you are not in it.
You are just in the ground floor (EC1).
So there you have it, Lyoness’ investment scheme in new packaging for 2018.
Some things never change…
This is completely untrue.
I believe myWorld is a name used for white label sales and has nothing to do with Lyoness, Cashback World or Lyconet.
You've shown no proof of such other than stating it on your blog. I've done research and can't find anything that matches your statement.
Customer Clouds are part of the white label program. That is the ONLY connection between a Lyconet member eligible to purchase a Limited Edition Discount Voucher and “myWorld”.
How so? Lyoness was “all about positions” five years ago and still is today.
Then why are Lyoness/Lyconet/Cashbackworld/whatevernametheycomeupwithtommorow affiliates being urged to invest in myWorld units?
Everything in a green box in the article was personally transcribed by myself from audio recordings of Hubert Freidl speaking at the Lyoness Pamhagen event.
I have not published the original audio as per an agreement with the source.
Were you at the Pamhagen event? If not, how do you know this is untrue?
Yelling “it’s not true” is not the same as “you can’t prove it”.
“Nothing to do with…”. Oh my.
beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/06932198
So then what do they ultimately sell and where are the satisfied customers?
Can you please link or show that video? Would be really nice to see him say those words! Asking for a proof of this!
Easy words from you! How can this be trusted not as bullshit from you?
You could always ask Lyoness for a transcript of Friedl’s speech. Or any of the top scammers that were there.
But let’s cut the crap. You’ve already done that and know Friedl said what he did.
Best of luck with the scamming. Any further attempts to waste my time will be sent to the spam bin.
Lets be honest here: you make a statement, I ask YOU to prove those words written by you!
I don´t consider this wasting your time! Kind regards.
And I stated why I didn’t publish the source material.
You do with the information provided as you wish. Goodbye.
Added clarification on the myWorld ROI payments.
The 6 year ROI is actually no payment for 3 years and then 3 years of ROI payments.
The 8 year ROI is 4 years of no payment and then 4 years of ROI payments.
Nothing suss.
Thank you!
That is no surprise for those who bought a Customer cloud. It´s actually very clear stated in the Terms and Conditions no payments will be made in the first 36 months. Month 37 you will on the other hand reccive a bigger payment for those first 36 months and then a monthly payment every following 36 month…. ! The same for the 8 years.
This isn´t very specific to myWorld to do so! There are heaps of investement system that “lock” your money for 3-5 years and then you will have your ROI!
So why waste your time with an unregistered illegal securities Ponzi offering from Lyoness?
Actually, I believe you are wasting your time waiting….
You seem to be under the false impression that I’m waiting to invest in Lyoness.
No, you are clear about your opinion!
On the other hand, you seem to be under the false impression its a waste of time with Lyoness/ Lyconet!
No one have ever lost their money with Lyoness. Some people may have used money they have from expensive bank loans. But waiting for your ROI is not the same as loosing your money.
All stories you are pointing at is not about people LOOSING money, its about people that are under the false impression they will have ROI over short period of time. They have been misslead by stupid independent Lyconet marketers (not Lyoness or Lyconet as a company).
That is a shame!
1. You cannot speak for everyone who has ever invested in lyoness.
2. The majority of Lyoness affiliates who invested have lost money. It’s basic math and math is a zero sum game.
Dangling a never-ending possibility of a ROI if new suckers invest doesn’t change the fact money has been lost in every market Lyoness has ever launched in.
Yes I can since that is a fact!
Lets be clear about two things:
1. No one who have “invested” in Units as a Lyconet marketer due to loss of value of “invested” money. The balance system where the Units are placed whitin are not even close to some point were it all slows down.
Maybe they have wrongly been told by some Lyconet marketer the ROI will come in 6 months or so. That is so wrong and bad! The ROI is coming in small pieces as stated in the Compensation Plan.
And correctly told would be in 2-6 years depending what balance system the Unit is placed. 1000% is not a bad ROI in 6 years!
2. Lyoness affiliates is as I understand in this case people running a buisiness using Lyoness (CashbackWorld) as a tool for marketing.
If these people argue they are loosing money using CB as a marketing tool they are using it wrong. They have to use it correctly.
If you pay for an advert in a local Newspaper and you dont get new customers, would you say you lost the money due to the Newspaper? Dont think so!
CashbackWorld gives a great tool for the buisiness if you use it as supposed. All affiliates have the oppurtunity to make ShoppingPoint deals. If the did, they would have more customers to their buisiness.
As I wrote, NO ONE have ever lost money due to myWorld, CashbackWorld, Lyoness or Lyconet.
Only if the spend money that needs to be paid back to the bank before ROI. That is solely their own fault.
No, you can’t.
Sure they have. They invested in AUs chasing Ponzi riches and then when recruitment in their country inevitably collapsed, they lost out.
How the Lyoness Ponzi scheme was marketed to them is irrelevant, an investment loss is an investment loss due to Lyoness’ business model.
Strawman analogies that have nothing to do with investing in a Ponzi scheme and being paid with subsequently invested funds are irrelevant.
The time for ROI in AU is not one of the fastest BUT it is not as you assume dead. People in Australia doesn´t need Aussies to “invest” solely in the AU balance system.
The ESP (Easy Shop Plus) places new Units every month in the AU balance system also as in in all the other systems. Have you read the Compensation Plan and if, do you understand how it works?
Strawman? No, it is not an Strawman analogie. I assumed you were reffering to companies (affilites) conected to the CashbackWorld card and therefor I made that comparsion!
Math is a zero sum game. What’s invested is used to pay existing investors, and losses only accumulate over time.
You can’t write off Ponzi losses on the claim ROIs will eventually be paid. Over time a Ponzi scheme generates more and more victims.
And the shopping is negligible. Once a Lyoness market collapses so too does what little amount of retail activity it manages to generate.
At the moment it’s Italy. After that market collapses it’ll be some other country for a while.
Note that Lyoness hasn’t managed to sustain any market affiliate investor recruitment has taken off with retail shoppers.
Explain your thoughts about Italy!
I believe you have read the Compensation Plan and then know it is NOT a single person that is placed in the Balance system but Units.
So it is not critical for you as a person when you enter Lyconet since I, who have been a part of this for 6 years, can have a Unit placed after a Unit placed by a person who enterd yesterday.
That means that person will have the ROI on that Unit before me. 1000% ROI = 10x the coins.
Not thoughts, facts. Lyoness typically has one primary source of traffic where recruitment is taking off.
When affiliate investor recruitment slows down there the company typically migrates to a new country. This has been going on from country to country for years.
Right, investments.
What can and can’t happen is irrelevant to what actually happens. When investor recruitment dies in your country your money is gone.
Lyoness have a long term goal to be active in 100 countries, they do not migrate from country to country.
This “investement” is a Discount Voucher you get a Unit for that is placed in a Balance system.
As a Lyconet marketer I get the RECASH part from every purschase made within my network (not from other Lyconet marketers). I then have the choice to either Recash a discount voucher or collect the Recash for a new Unit.
If I don´t buy discount vouchers but instead get them from the consumption made within my network, would you say this is a investement or a effect from my MLM work?
As I wrote, you as a person will not be lined up after all the other marketers before you, it will be the Units made from either a Discount voucher or the comsupmtion from you and your network.
That is very wrong!
You will have your Units placed in all the balance systems together with all other Units. Not only in your own country. Your money is not gone!
You know this if you have read the Compensation Plan!
Goals schmoals. Lyoness bunny hops from country to country as pyramid recruitment collapses in each.
Been going on for 10+ years.
made on the expectation of stealing money from those who invest after you. What is attached to that is irrelevant.
The second you invest Lyoness use that money to pay off existing investors. Your only hope is stealing money from those who invest after you.
Ponzi math is a zero sum game. Your money is gone. Stop making excuses for scammers.
Your opinion (Ozedit: Snip, no opinions – only facts.)
If you’re going to deny the laws of basic math as opinion, we’re done here.
Money in == money out. Top Lyoness investors steal it all leaving the majority of affiliates with a loss.
Lyoness is a Ponzi scheme and no amount of marketing bullshit you try to publish will change that.
Was not my opinion, I was explaining the Compensation plan and why and how the RECASH from shopping is NO investement, but an effect and pay off from MLM networking!
Keep the Balance system and Career system apart when you argue!
Career level have nothing to do with your Units and how they pay off over time!
Shopping has nothing to do with AU investment scheme.
That’s precisely what I’m doing.
I’ve put forward the Lyoness unit Ponzi scheme, and you’re attempting to justify it with shopping.
It’s a fact math is a zero sum game. Lyoness affiliates lose money if they don’t recruit investors to recover their losses.
Waiting around for passive investment to generate a ROI is even slower than waiting for legitimate shopping to generate units.
No matter what you add to a Ponzi scheme, it’s still just a fraudulent business model that results in the majority of investors losing money.
Well, it actually has:
A Unit is generated from Shoppingpoints that I either get from a Discount Voucher or from direct shopping.
The shopping in its turn replaces the Discount voucher so over time it is about shopping. The shopping have not reached that wanted level yet but it is a goal whatever you say here.
You are still mixing it up!
Career (1-8) has still nothing to do with the paypout from the Units in the Balance systems.
The Units doesn´t pay less or later to a person who is in Career level 0 or more and faster to a person in Cereer level 8. The only thing that matters is when that Unit was generated.
Shopping from a big network will of course help out to recash the Discount Vouchers of yours! (Not career or balance!)
You are by purpose mixing it up when you argue!
This is the last time I’m going to say this:
The shopping side of Lyoness has nothing to do with direct investment into units and recruitment of new affiliates who do the same.
This has been the core of Lyoness’ business model since day 1 and we’ve had scammers coming on here trying to crap on about the shopping network since our first review in 2012 (seriously, read the comments).
The amount of shopping required to generate ROI units means they’re never going to be viable as opposed to direct recruitment. Which is why shopping in terms of unit generation is only ever seen as irrelevant pseudo-compliance.
Nobody who received significant ROIs through unit investment did it through shopping. They invested and convinced others to invest.
Then when recruitment collapses the majority of Lyoness investors lose money.
Lyoness corporate and top investors don’t care, because by then they’re onto the next country (currently Italy).
Any further attempts to legitimize investment fraud through association of irrelevant pseudo-compliance strawman arguments will be marked as spam.
no shit, this is 2018 and they still keep pushing the same stories that nobody from outside of lyoness sect understands what’s behind this career levels and compensation plans, clouds and so-called “shopping” ect. ect.
It reads as in 2010 mate, go to be brainwashed elsewhere, this is not recruitment meeting arranged by yourself…
My misstake, for a second I believed you wanted to have an open disscussion.
Where have I tried to “recruite” anyone? I have only tried to explain the parts of it.
If you are so right about your believings then my opinion would not be any harm to you! Better you argue for your sake than ask me to leave…