Lyoness affiliates prey on Estonian deaf community
It might not be standard-practice for an MLM affiliate enquire as to the source of funds newly recruited affiliates are using to sign up with, but surely there’s at least some level of evaluation on affordability going on?
The internet goes some way to distance the obvious, but if you’re meeting face to face and actually engaging with your recruits – you don’t really have an excuse.
Common-sense would dictate that if you got the inkling your prospect couldn’t really afford to get involved, you’d abort. Thank them for their time and perhaps jot them down for a followup in six months or so.
Unfortunately there some MLM affiliates would rather realize short-term profits regardless. Their reasons are their own, but their actions reflect poorly on the MLM industry as a whole.
Especially when it blows up in their faces.
This is one of those depressing MLM stories I wish I didn’t have to cover, but here goes…
On the 23rd of October 2014, Lyoness affiliates in Tallinn, Estonia held a marketing presentation.
Prospective affiliates who attended were told that they could get a Lyoness shopping card, which entitled them to cashback at well-known retailers Maxima and Lukoil.
Lukoil claims to have since severed ties with Lyoness, and Maxima have since stated they’ve never had anything to do with the company.
Regardless, affiliates attending the presentation were also told that for buy into Lyoness for €2500 EUR.
This got them a Lyoness “gold card”, which qualified them earn commissions when they recruited new affiliates who also paid €2500 EUR.
What was of particular significance at this presentation was the audience was made up of about fifty members of Tallinn’s local deaf community.
After meeting with “representatives of the deaf community”, it was agreed Estonia’s deaf community would be prime candidates for Lyoness’ €2500 EUR gold card scheme.
Lyoness affiliates Natalja Dickensile and Peep Neimanile then began making preparations for the October 23rd presentation, which saw them enlist the services of a sign-language speaker.
Eager family members of Tallinn’s deaf community urged their deaf relatives to attend, telling them that the placement in Lyoness offered was “extremely good value”.
At the presentation, prospects were then told that ‘the gold card can be used to earn money‘, but they weren’t told it required the recruitment of new affiliates.
One attendee of the presentation, Jaan Pärgma,
says that he did not realize at the beginning that will need to earn money to find new members. “Kuuljatel it would be easier to do, but the deaf community is so small.”
“It’s like a pyramid scheme, that if you are able to quickly get people to join, then its earnings could be higher there.
In the beginning was the fact that four people bring up to 800 euros. But after it became clear that there is still a need to broaden and to the need of people.
Within one month, you had to at least 4-5 people to enlist in order to get their own revenues.
This provision was beyond comprehension to me.”
Knowing full well the limitations members of Tallinn’s deaf community would face marketing the scheme, Dickensile and Neimanile signed up fourteen attendees anyway.
To fund the €2500 EUR Lyoness gold card fee,
many took loans from a bank, with at least one applying for an instant loan.
Others had relatives pay for them in cash.
Needless to say that over the next twelve months, none of them recouped their investment through the Lyoness business opportunity.
Following complaints to the Estonian Consumer Complaints Board, they recommended that Lyoness refund the investors in full.
Five of the deaf affiliates approached Lyoness about a refund, with the company agreeing to returning only half of the €2500 each invested.
Eight other affiliates have hired an attorney and are now pursing legal action.
In an attempt to get answers from Lyoness, Estonian media outlet Delfi approached the CEO of Lyoness Estonia, Ott Neeme.
Neeme told Delfi ‘Lyoness Europe would not allow him to give an interview‘.
Delfi also reached out to Natalja Dickensile and Peep Neimanile in an attempt to get their side of the story.
Upon being contacted Dickensile hung up on them. Neimanile at least attempted to justify his involvement, stating he
himself does not feel guilty because the deaf people had very big plans for around the world.
They allegedly planned to recruit Lyoness members from around the world, not only in Estonia.
No doubt the €35,000 EUR or so Dickensile and Neimanile solicited from Tallinn’s deaf community pushed through a good number of their respective Accounting Units.
With cash ROIs paid out on the maturity of those units, who cares whether those they recruited recouped their investment or not.
Onto the next victims…
Update 29th December 2015 – Sometime recently, Delfi pulled the published article used as source-material for this story.
To date we’re not sure why, with Delfi themselves having not issued a public statement on the matter.
Following removal of the article in question, another article on Lyoness was published in Delfi on December 27th. Delfi readers were quick to label the article a paid advertisement, with one suggesting Lyoness had threatened to sue Delfi over publication of the deaf community article.
on 23/10 we will get judgment from accc case 9,30 local time
I agree with you that this type of conduct needs to be strongly criticized and sanctioned.
I think offering 50% on the part of Lyoness is a start, but they should give back the full amount, if it is as stated in your article.
I was not there neither were you but this type of behaviour is terrible. Lyoness management probably was not aware of the details, that these people were deaf and had to
take out loans to fund this amount.
I do not know when this occurred but Lyoness has changed the model since July 1 this year and the large down payments have been totally discouraged.
Members are always free and marketers can start with just $75.00 no need to put in big downpayments. That is now he model in North America and I hope worldwide.
A legal team from Austria is working on a case against Lyoness in the US. The Austrian authorities have started an investigation into DR. Reif, Lyonesses legal counsel and (former) director.
MasterCard Europe is asking for evidence that Lyoness has offered mastercards to people – and again confirmed never to have entered any agreement with Lyoness.
Former Lyoness spokesman Mathias Vorbach has left the sinking ships.
Two bankruptcy requests have been filed against Lyoness in Switzerland, but are unlikely to succeed. The ‘Customer Cloud’ proposition has led to renewed criminal charges in Austria (offering investments without a license; and operating a ponzi scheme).
Add Friday’s verdict and it may be game over for Lyoness.
Hey Wiggy do you have any proof or any links or evidence to all these assertions?
Just throwing out stuff without evidence is not right and can get you into a lot of problems if you have no proof, so please either show the links or hold this stuff to yourself.
What kind of problems are you talking about there?
“A lot of problems” was relatively vague, so you should probably try to clarify it and add some substance to it.
Afraid it will slow down your recruitment (of shoppers, of course)? As mentioned earlier, I follow the European news. Perhaps you should too.
Start here: lyoness-geschaedigte-plattform.at
Oh and I don’t care for threats.
Try Libel, Slander, Defamation for starters.
Wiggy I looked at the link and it is from a website of disgruntled Lyoness members or at least purports to be.
That is hardly a place I would search for factual news on this company. Once again I would admonish you to be careful.
“Libel, Slander and Defamation for starters” mentioned some interesting methods, but the author recommended the followup version “Defamation for experienced ones”. I haven’t looked at that one yet.
Hey, Tower5, we had received some legal threads from Lyoness side on our blog (at least platform provider has) where Lyoness asked for blog closing. This was ca 3 years ago but we keep writing 😛
Then we were threaden by Mastercard legal action, that will come if we don’t quit what you call “Lyoness defamation”. You know what is MC reply, right?
I had one psychofan on our blog who’ve been permanently telling we’ll go to court and then to jail, they even opened their own blog and claiming there it is internal Lyonees info and pretending they are seeking to identify us but were indentified first and, therefore, failed.
Now, still thinking anybody is afraid of your a bit not precise threads? What you think can happen to us here, on this forum? Try to be precise please..
…who won many civil court cases with Hubert Freidl, where defamation etc. was suspected. See? Nobody cares of your scary stories…
Hmm, for starters? Please elaborate. Hope you’re not threatening violence here.
Isn’t it strange how such an innocent shopping community needs to be defended so vigourously by its members – who “only join to get some discount on their purchases”? Do we see similar things over at Costco?
Yes, the website I referred you to was started by disgruntled Lyoness personnel, actually. Former managing directors. But they probably have no clue about how it’s operated.
I don’t see how this matters for the news they quote. And out of all of us here, they’re actually the only ones with insight in the legal procedures in Austria.
If Lyoness were to disagree with their information, maybe they should stop suing anyone who wishes to publish anything about these procedures, so we can see what liars this former personnel consists of.
But of course, as a fanatic, and deeply deluded (obviously), Lyoness believer, you’d rather just say that we aren’t to believe what anyone writes about Lyoness, other than Lyoness corporate. Sure, they probably don’t have any biases.
I honestly don’t see what you’re doing here. All the evidence is against your beautiful company.
Better take out your money, or cut your losses, and move on to the next billion-dollar opportunity you’ll undoubtedly fall prey to.
Delfi article now ends up with 404 error, and video it linked to is set to private. Lyoness is again censoring information.
Odd that they took it down. Wonder what the story was there.
The article is still showing up in a Google search (no cache), so it must have been pulled only recently.
Article updated with coverage of Delfi’s new Lyoness article (which might explain why they took the original deaf community article down).