Green Label Network Review: $25 month blog network
The Green Label Network website was registered on the 30th of December 2010 and lists a “Tham Dai Dee, Co. Ltd.” as the domain owner.
The administrative contact provided is a Domonic Mongello, with a supplied address in Chonburi, Thailand.
Further research revealed a YouTube video featuring Mongello, where he is credited along with host Richard Weberg (both respectively on the right) crediting Mongello as a co-founder of Green Label Network.
Update 21st May 2013 – Since the publication of this review, Weberg has got in contact and denied any involvement with Green Label Network as a co-founder:
I am not the co-founder of Green Label, nor ever have been. Dominic is my friend, and I have done some videos with him, for the launch of Green Label.
I have never owned or founded any part of Green Label (nor do I own any stake in the company and had nothing to do with its creation).
Other than appear to be closely linked to Mongello and appearing in several “early-bird” promotional videos for Green Label network, all we’ve got to go on is Weberg’s word.
Seeing as no other co-founders are mentioned in the “early bird” videos Weberg and Mongello appear in, I’ve requested Weberg identify the other co-founder(s) and if I get a response I’ll publish it here. /end update
Not being familiar with “Tham Dai Dee, Co. Ltd.”, I punched it into Google and was surprised to see BehindMLM pop up in the search results.
Turns out the company has previously come up in a discussion in January 2012 relating to an investigation into Wealth Masters Interational by New Zealand’s Commerce Commission.
The relevant discussion starts around comment #11, with BehindMLM readers attempt to get to the bottom of some of Wealth Master’s marketing operations in Norway.
The domain “EcoEcoNow.com” pops up in relation to the marketing efforts of some of WMI’s former Norwegian affiliates, after Wealth Masters was banned in Norway.
In comment #12 BehindMLM reader “B.F.” wrote:
Hmmm. Maybe they try to cover the WMI activity in Norway behind a new company name?
Actually, EcoEcoNow is the new WMI marketing platform, with the domain ecoeconow.org hosted in Pattaya.
Which was followed up in comment #14 by “Aussie”:
Strange…EcoEcoNow seems to be a ‘conservation’ front with an ‘online marketing system’ called “PCFmojo” or “Perpetual Conversion Funnel”.
The EcoEcoNow.org website is useless – same (out of date?)page for every tab. They claim to support ‘Conservation International’, yet I cannot find any official affiliation between them.
To which B.F. responded in comment #15:
The comments at the site ecoeconow.org are mostly made by WMI M3 consultants.
The domain pcfmojo.com is registered by Tham Dai Dee Co., Ltd., but both sites seem to be runned from servers in Montreal.
Linking Domonic Mongello directly to EcoEcoNow and PCFMojo is this affiliate’s account, published in March of this year:
Domonic Mongello created a marketing system called PCF mojo (perpetual conversion funnel) and a home based business opportunity to market it called eco eco now.
In doing research I discovered he started taking people’s money back in 2010 and still has not delivered the product or launched ecoeconow.org.
Domonic Mongello admitted he did not have the capital to create , run , and support this kind of business and presented his concept called a “Social Movement Model” where all the people who joined would contribute their time and talents for free to build his company.
He presented a great concept of a portion of money from direct sales and monthly fees would save an acre of rain forest through Conservation International so it sounded attractive that this company had a social conscious.
I have learned that there are fellow victims of Mongello’s vested partner scam that have sent from $1,000.00 to $3,600.00.
There are over 120 people that have sent him money and the marketing system has never been delivered nor has the opportunity launched. It is one excuse after another and one broken promise after another for new launch dates.
The excuses for not launching have gone on for over a year for me and for some they have never received what they paid for in two years.
The one of a kind marketing software (PCF) that was supposed to change internet marketing does not work and is so complicated it would take a top IT person to try and use it.
Domonic promoted this marketing software as something that even a newbie could use. Definitely not true! I had some experienced internet marketers look at the PCF system and they said it was the most complicated overpriced software they had ever seen.
I guess it was priced like an MLM where the price is inflated to pay commissions. The basic system is $997.00 and $97 monthly and the highest level was $9,995.00 and $995 monthly.
That is how he fooled all of us to pay a one time fee of $3,600.00 and get the highest price system and never have to pay the $997.00 monthly.
It has been about two years since Mongello marketed the PCF mojo marketing system and no one has ever used it or seen one marketing anything.
The PCFMojo logo can be seen “powering” the Green Label Network website:
Read on for a full review of the Green Label Network MLM business opportunity.
The Green Label Network Product Line
Green Label Network appears to have no retailable products or services, with affiliates only able to market affiliate membership to the company itself.
Bundled with Green Label Network affiliate membership is access to a WordPress multi-user install, run and hosted off the Green Label Network domain (“greenlbl.com”).
I have seen mention of “$25, $100, $500 and $1000 sales”, however I wasn’t able to find any further information on any additional products other than affiliate membership.
The Green Label Network Compensation Plan
The Green Label Network compensation plan pays affiliates on the recruitment of new affiliates into the company (money is transferred between affiliates, with Green Label Network themselves not taking any money).
This is done via a pass-up style compensation plan as follows:
- 1st, 3rd, 5th, 7th, 8th and 9th recruited affiliate – recruiting affiliate keeps 100% of the membership fee
- 2nd, 4th and 6th and 10th recruited affiliate – recruiting affiliate keeps 50% of the membership fee and the other 50% is passed up to their direct upline (the affiliate who recruited them)
- every 4th recruited affiliate after the 9th is split 50/50 between the affiliate who recruited them and their direct upline
Joining Green Label Network
Affiliate membership to Green Label Network is $25 a month.
Conclusion
What we have with Green Label Network appears to be a re-imagining of EcoEcoNow and PCF Mojo, whacked onto the popular WordPress blog network gifting compensation model doing the rounds of late.
Whether through Wealth Masters International or otherwise, PCF Mojo doesn’t appear to have been officially launched and with the traction other WordPress powered blogging opportunities have shown over the past year or so, it seems Mongello is looking to start his own.
With WordPress being free and Green Label Network naturally can’t charge for it and as such you wind up with affiliates gifting eachother $25 each month. The company takes no money and sells nothing other than granting participants the ability to recruit others into the scheme and receive monthly gifting payments from them.
Typically company owners place themselves at the top of these schemes and as downlines expand over time, receive more and more pass-up payments from affiliates in the company.
As with any gifting pyramid scheme, once recruitment stops at the base of the pyramid those unable to recruit stop paying their monthly gifting fees to their upline, who in turn do the same and before you know it the entire scheme has collapsed.
“Tham Dai Dee” = “Can Do Good” in Thai (or something similar)
Tham Dai Dee Co. Ltd. has nearly 50 domains registered.
Domonic Mongello has 3 “new” reports in RipoffReport, all about marketing systems that never were delivered, where he raised money from investors (customers) to finance the system. Dating back to 2010, but posted in March / April 2012 (when investors realised investments were lost).
It looks like he tries to live off naive internet users in several different ways, from fund raising to marketing systems to network marketing (only funding members, no other activity). Blog network is simply one of the ways.
He usually causes a lot of frustration among “investors”, if the examples I looked at were typical. They not only lose money, but also valuable time.
And they dare to claim they are doing… charity…
On LinkedIn
donotlink.com/www.linkedin.com/groups/Tham-Dai-Dee-in-Thai-4229124
And CrowdRise (Kickstarter for enviro causes)
donotlink.com/www.crowdrise.com/forests/fundraiser/thamdaidee
Fortunately it’s got ZERO dollars for the latter.
This is actually some sort of “feeder program” or something for other unspecified opportunities. It’s focused heavily on list building, multiple income streams and similar ideas, e.g. “don’t put all your eggs in the same basket”.
An idea like that is actually a good one for an experienced network marketer. “Offer a system related to the market you and others are operating in, something that will allow people to join the system itself rather than the individual opportunity”.
When an individual opportunity collapses or is being shut down, people will only lose a fraction of their income, and will still be members of the “system”. But the idea will of course have similar problems as any other pyramid scheme, e.g. a bottom layer of participants that never will make any money.
The problem with this sort of feeder program is if you keep joining losers (such as suspected pyramid or Ponzi schemes) you’ll never make it, no matter how many baskets you have your eggs in. That sort of bogus advice doesn’t substitute for real due diligence.
I agree with K. Chang. Diversifying in “Online Opportunities” field is a horrible idea.
Imagine that all “Online Opportunities” are stock NYSE stock exchange of the Online world (Ponzies, MLMs, Pyramids, Alternative Investments, alternative currencies, chain letters and so on).
99% of them if not all will lose you money all the time. What is a point of diversifying if you just guarantee yourself to lose money?
The logic is flawed. EVERYONE will not lose in EVERY opportunity.
It has an element of gambling. You can’t know absolutely for sure which one of the opportunities that will give you a net winning (at the expense of net losers), and which one that will give you a net loss.
It has an element of skill, e.g. you can analyse the current status of an opportunity before joining it, you can analyse the chances, gain experience, reduce the risk, find alternative methods to make money in that market.
In one single “eightball” pyramid scheme you will clearly improve your own chances if you join it early (before the masses), and recruit MORE than the normal 2 participants required.
“The bigger fool theory” can be used. Make sure to surround you with masses of bigger fools than yourself, and convince them about how easy it is to make money on the internet. That will normally prevent YOU from becoming the biggest fool, you will always have enough bigger fools to follow you.
Domonic Mongello will clearly improve his own chances if he can convince masses of bigger fools about the portfolio idea.
Even if a participant is losing money in his first investment, he will see OTHER people is making money on it, a psychological “proof” telling him it is possible to make money. He will have HOPE for his 9 other investments, over shadowing his current loss.
Review updated with clarification from Richard Weberg, who is denying any involvement with Green Label Network management wise.
I’ve requested information on the other co-founder(s) of Green Label Network and will update if I hear anything back.
This is the reply I got back from Weberg to my request for information on the other co-founders of Green Label Network:
My response:
And believe it or not I do not know who his partners are, who has a financial interest in the company itself. I am an affiliate and sell the products.
Anything I have read about any deals with Dominic in the past, I never knew Dominic then, and did read the one report I found, and seen it is not credible information, didnt even have a name signed to it, anyone could have wrote it.
(Ozedit: offtopic comments removed)
A co-founder with a silent partner… How interesting.
Well, Mr. Weberg, that’s the “price” you pay for being enlisted first in this opportunity.
Only time will tell if you’re indeed top dog… or Judas goat.
O’boy, I don’t know where to start comment. So many insinuations, lies, assumings and complete BS in one place. I try to keep it short.
I joined as a Founder in EcoEcoNow.org December 2010. At that time the PCF was still under development.
One reason I took a Founder position was that I wasn’t satisfied with the marketing platform Wealth Masters had at that time. I also sponsored some of my partners from Wealth Masters into EcoEcoNow and they did the same.
We wanted to have a marketing platform and system for our business. That is the only connection between EcoEcoNow and WM. And we did some money too from selling Founder positions, so no one can say Domonic stole or took any money from us. We bought a product and the product is still there to use for us.
All that talk that he took the money and never delivered the product is just BS. To develop something like this cost money, believe it or not but there is costs involved.
Everyone of us Founders can use the PCF in EcoEcoNow, it’s just to log in and use it. We can market what ever we like and build sales funnels, do webinars and whatever we like.
It take some time to learn how to use the different parts but as in anything you don’t know yet, you need to take your time to learn.
And now we have Green Label Network as another marketing platform, and I’m a proud affiliate there too. Nothing strange there either. It’s real products that have value for the end user.
I’m sure Domonic Mongello will give you the information about the co-founder in time. That is nothing either Richard Veberg or I as affiliates need to do.
(Ozedit: offtopic comments removed)
Have a nice day all,
Claes Staffansson
What exactly are you marketing other than the opportunity itself (which appears to be designed to market itself)?.
WordPress is free and Green label Network do not own the rights to resell it, affiliates are not sold web-hosting nor are they sold the Green Label Network domain.
What value is there to end-user? Anybody can download WordPress for free and install it on their own hosting and/or signup for free to use it at WordPress.com.
There seems to be some sort of value disconnect between offering something anyone can get for free and whacking on a $20’ish or so gifting scheme ontop of it. That creates value for nobody except the affiliates participating in the scheme.
You made money selling Founder Positions?! Oh dear. That’s just another red flag to add to the list.
This is starting to sound like something only Founders are involved in, with why being obvious and probably the reason the system will fail to attract any significant number of retail users.
Green Label Network of course is not alone in this, every “blog network” gifting MLM opportunity running at present doesn’t appear to have any significant retail user-base.
Empower Network released their retail figures a few months ago and it was 33%. Revenue wise this was misleading as I believe it only covered the $25 level. The other levels, revenue wise would vastly drive down this figure when business revenue is taken to consideration as a whole. Unfortunately they haven’t released any retail figures since.
Although they do keep going on about how many affiliates have been recruited…
I don’t know If you misunderstand by purpose or if you can’t read. At that time I was involved with Wealth Masters and I wanted to have somewhere to market their products.
I know this discussion will not lead anywhere. You have made up your mind already and you censors my comment. I don’t like that.
I have better things to do so this will be it for me. Thanks.
So in other words, you cannot answer the question put forth of “what value is there to the end-user?” in Green Label Network.
Thankyou for your time.
As for censorship, if you want to ran about internet anonymity this is not the place to do it. Moreso when it’s used as a derail attempt in order to duck and weave from questions put forth regarding discussion and analysis of a company’s business model.
Serious question:
Are you aware that selling “founder positions” could open the company to investigation by the SEC and various securities commissions in individual states, as offering unregistered securities? That’s what got Funky Shark closed.
Sure it’s registered in Thailand and all that, but that would cause it to be ILLEGAL in the US of A, which is obviously… very serious. Unless you prefer selling blogging to China?
Also, just how are you all different from Empowered Network, which is operating on virtually the same business model, albeit they also sell self-improvement lessons and whatnot?
Sounds like your mind is already made up that you won’t be treated fairly here. So I guess you two are even. Immovable object meets irresistible force and all that. 😀
So you consider GLN a marketing tool/platform, not an opportunity in itself?
I think it’s more likely a case of “Hmm, the marketing BS I usually deploy isn’t working here. Abort, abort!”
I was being diplomatic. 😉
So any one can be called “founder” if they buy a founder position? So who’s running the show then?
What happened in WMI? Was the new marketing system accepted by Kip and Karl, or did they ban it from being marketed to WMI members?
Did they exclude YOU or give you some warnings? Or did they promote you to a higher position in the organization? Or did they simply ignore your “cross recruiting” attempts?
With very good reason.
You’ve failed to produce one shred of evidence indicating Green Label Network is anything but a thinly disguised endless chain recruiting scheme.
They will become “founding members”, not “founders” or “co-founders”.
* “Founders” will have the right to make ANY decision on behalf of the company.
* “Co-founders” have a limited right to make decisions.
* “Founding members” have no specific rights to make decisions.
They have simply bought positions in the income hierarchy (join early = better chances). They have not bought anything other than that, e.g. some “leadership positions”. Other members can bypass them in the leader hierarchy without problems.
People can even be recruited from the outside and bypass them directly as leaders, e.g. be “injected” into a higher position.
Domonic Mongello is clearly the founder here. Richard Weberg has his own systems, some “8 step traffic exchange system” or something. He didn’t ACT like a co-founder in the hangout, only as an “assistant”.
If you remember Fawlty Towers with John Cleese, ha had a Spanish waiter at the hotel that use to say something like “My name is Manuel, I come from Barcelona”. Well, I’m not from Barcelona, but Sweden, so English is not my best language.
Founder- founding, what ever, it’s just a title. And I’m for sure member of Founders Club Sweden in Morinda. And more important, I’m not have that title Founder in GreenLbl, that’s in EcoEcoNow.
But what happened in WMI?
Did Kip and Karl accept PCFmojo as a new marketing system, or did they ban further attempts?
Jay Kubassek and CCPro were clearly banned in December 2010 when they tried to “cross recruit” WMI members into the ProU / Automatic Millionaire opportunity. Were you banned too?
I, too, was caught up in EcoEco. I was introduced to Dominic by a trusted person I knew from the direct sales industry. (WMI).
We were disgruntled at how WMI seemd to be taking a turn for the worse, claiming amazing marketing solutions for it’s members, but then charging out the ass each time “the solution” was found. So we got introduced to Dominic, and I really got caught up in his “passion for the causes”. *cough cough* BULLSHIT!!* cough cough.
The ripoff reports about Dominic are pretty dead on. In fact, I believe I know who Claes is, and may have even spoken with him. And after everything, I’m shocked to see he still has Dominic’s back. I wonder how many other of the “founders” do. Most have simply walked away.
Before I did, I watched many do just that- give up after excuse after excuse as to why PCF Mojo was not ready. And Dominic would just blame them for not stepping up to “do their own work”, or something to that effect. And would then turn to others to do his work for him.
I think there were a few “believers” who did an incredible amount of work for him, with nothing ever to come back to them.
To be clear- there was never a connection between WMI and EcoEco, other than disgruntled WMI reps turning to EcoEco and falling prey to Dominic’s smooth talk. some points about EcoEco.
1) it is your basic wordpress platform, with a few more clever short codes and some decent ability regarding video embedding and whatnot. big deal.
2) contrary to it being simple, these sparse extra features actually make it harder for the new person.
3) i’ve never seen a quality site built with the software. has anyone else? ever? please direct me to one. Just one, I dare you.
4) I was informed that Dominic was told repeatedly that he should automate this system. his answer was “no, i want to provide value to my users by having them learn how to do things for themselves”. (you know, the old “catch a fish for a man vs teaching him to fish) translation: In other words: no, not gonna do it.
5) Dominic’s plan was, in fact, to use the social movement model. And yes- it all boiled down to essentially getting his “founders” to do work toward getting the site up and running. I knew of multiple “founders” who put a lot of sweat equity into doing his bidding before they saw the bullshit for what it was.
6) since Mr Claes, (who i have nothing against) is so confident in the power of EcoEco and PCF Mojo… please tell me how any single “founder” has made a dime off of licensing this, as Dominic said we’d be able to do. Or… show me these amazing but simple sites that EcoEco is ready to build.
7) it was said that EcoEco was going to publicize how much was given to Conservation Intl. with complete transparency. Can anyone give me one indicator of any money whatsoever being given to them.
8) Dominic would claim he was going to hold deep training meetings (mastermind meetings), and time after time, something came up and he either cancelled or was a complete no-show. Sometimes with no word for days or weeks. Then a lame excuse, (like i said – there was always a reason) and then it would happen all over again.
I was supposed to be able to attend these meetings. And as far as I know, there never was a single one.
9) Dominic specifically structured payments and based the company in Thailand so that it would be next to impossible for anyone to come after him. I had one of the founders personally tell me that Dominic said that if anyone succeeded, he would just re-open shop in Japan, or something to that effect.
10) Dominic would verbally berate people who challenged him. And not in a “tough mentor” way. Simply, in total disregard for any respect. (I was witness to this on more than one occasion.
I could go on like this, but why? And just to be clear to you, Mr Claes. These aren’t assumptions or speculation. I was there, and I saw these things happen, or had them happen to me specifically.
What is the amazing power of PCF Mojo and when was the amazing “final product” finally complete. Wasn’t there a nice woman named Inga who did some ridiculously huge load of work for Dominic? What happened to her. Aside from you, where are the rest of the founders?
If you could, please answer some of these questions.
And answer this one, if you will: Where were you in your online business when you met Mr Dominic, and where are you now? How has PCF Mojo or Greenlable whatever helped you build your business at all with the exception of possibly selling the “systems” to others.
Has pcf mojo launched you up and outward, like the revolutionary system Dominic said it was? Has any moey gone to Conservation Intl?
I’m not trying to antagonize you, Mr Claes, but again- I was there. I saw/experienced all the crap myself. I’m actually shocked that any one “founder” is still standing with Dominic after all the BS. Are you the only one left?
Standard scam tactic: blame the minions for “doing it wrong”, which both shifts the fault (can’t be “my” fault if they’re doing it wrong) and calms those who are still enthralled. Seen it before in many other scams, even AFTER the scam was declared illegal.
“They did it wrong and attracted attention of the authorities” is an often cited excuse when a scam leader had to explain away a previous scam that was shut down by the authorities.
It’s often said, there is no more valuable weapon to the professional fraudster than the “true believer”
Somehow this just popped into my head when you said that:
— Journey, “Don’t Stop Believin'”
Yep, the true believers will be living under streetlights alright. 😉
I also was a founder in Mongello’s EcoEcoNow.org business opportunity to market the pcf mojo (marketing platform??)
I paid $2,400 to be lifetime founder to market pcf mojo to others and I was told it was a finished working technology.
That was a lie!
For months there was no pcf mojo marketing site at all to log into. Then when I finally had a site and back office to log into, Mongello gave more excuses why him and Anver had to tweak this and fix this and that bug. That went on for about 1 year.
I am an IT professional. I now make a 6 figure plus income online WITHOUT pcf mojo. The pcf is a collection of plugins that anybody can purchase on Warriors forum for like $20 to $30 each. Back in 2010 when Mongello was attempting to bring the pcf mojo to market, one of the innovative features was automated webinars built on WordPress. No one had ever done this.
The internet and Technology advances at lightning speed….You can now buy that exact feature as a $30 one time fee plugin.
Like most Internet marketing products and training sold by INTERNET MARKETERS, it has some cool features, but YOU DO NOT NEED PCF Mojo to have a long term profitable online business.
Now if you are the type that likes gifting programs and other money making schemes….YOU are in the right place!
Know this…..you are partnering with a guy (Mongello) hiding out in a third world country and he has been almost broke before starting EcoEcoNow.org, UOUPLUS.com, pcf mojo, and now this Green label.
As an IT professional I can tell you that software and technology requires huge resources and teams of IT professionals/programmers to constantly fix bugs and issues.
Support for pcgf mojo is Mongello, A young guy in India that lives in a poor village where they have electricity blackouts for days at a time, and a retired IT teacher in Sweden.
There has been ongoing legal action in preparation to go after Mongello IF he was to ever bring pcf mojo to market so investors could try and recoup money stolen by Mongello.
Mongello conned Marilyn Pierrakos out of $10K, Carl Croland out of $10K, and Carlos Acostas,Jr out of $16K to have Percentage ownership interest in an EXISTING technology pcf mojo and launch documents from Mongello show launch date of July 2010.
Obviously this was because Domonic Mongello was broke.
Investigations also uncovered he stole $8K from the owners of Primo Vacations, Rob Hannley and Dave Garvin. They have to date never received pcf mojo or anything that Mongello promised… Training, consulting, and the pcf mojo marketing system.
It goes on and on….FACTS…..documented publicly and privately. The law firm investigators have documented countless lies, illegal activities, and video files and websites that are proof of all this and more.
One example…Conservation International President Amelia Smith said no one at CI knows who Domonic Mongello is. In numerous webinars and videos Mongello explains how he has relationship with the main people at Conservation International.
They declined to take further legal action against Domonic Mongello for illegally using their trademarks and name to make HIM money by saying donations for all sales would go to CI. I have sent OZ at this site the document the CI lawyers sent as cease & desist for Mongello to stop using their name and trademarks in videos, webinars, sites, and all marketing materials.
Our group of victims that were ripped off will pass this site around so REAL people that were scammed by Mongello can share their experience.
Think about it…..these people paid between $1,000 and $3,600 for a pcf mojo marketing system…NONE of them use pcf
One of the main insiders has a 6 figure business building marketing sites for clients and they do not use pcf mojo???
Hey Richard,
The reason the RipOffReports and other online reporting is done anonymously by all the people cheated by Mongello is that it is documented cases involving violence by the Thai police with Mongello being involved.
All of the people he cheated are scared of him. Many experienced his bullying and intimidation tactics first hand during the EcoEcoNow.org launch that never happened over almost 2 years.
Investigators uncovered relationships with a few known mobsters in Thailand. They uncovered numerous relationships with corrupt Thai officials.
He has demonstrated in actions that he is violent.
He was in Navy Seals, worked undercover for D.E.A., and was a sniper assassin for the U.S. government.
The purpose in exposing Domonic Mongello is to help EDUCATE and INFORM potential unknowing victims so they can make an informed decision whether to join with him or not.
One of the group will be placing a list of all the pcf mojo/EcoEcoNow.org founders and that way anyone can contact any of these people and verify all comments above are TRUTH and FACTS!
It is important….YOUR REPUTATION is on the line!
Wow everyone some serious hate and reaching here to say the least.
After I was aware of this original post by OZ I emailed OZ and asked him how I could put some real facts into place.
OZ responded back to do so via the comments here.
After reading some of the seriously reaching comments and hate being thrown here I’m going to make this brief.
To start the foundation of most lies is the truth. The truth is we did not launch when we were hoping to. The reasons why,,, we just were not ready at the level we felt we needed to be.
Knowing what we know now, would we have done things different, yes. How many of you would love to have the ability to make decisions again based on what you know now.
EcoEcoNow, PCFmojo, and Green Label are all part of the same company and are all connected with each having it own market niche.
PCFmojo and Green Label – AS WELL AS EcoEcoNow let people try the product before they purchased. PCFmojo has a 10 day trial before anyone can purchase and Green Label has a 5 day trial. No one is forcing anyone to buy anything.
Many names have been thrown about, Inger, Claes, and my poor partner in India Anver. Wow guys some serious hate from someone who just quite… its obvious who is commenting what.
Stealing.. that is a big word,,, scamming… we are still here. Was it, a struggle heck yes. Big time, with what we know now would we have done this again.. not sure on that one I have asked my self that many times.
Quitting was never an option for any of us. We are now rolling things out in the way we wish we could have back then.
Founders in EcoEcoNow is a title for those who were at our company from the beginning. Not owners, investors or anything like that. Interesting that no one wants to mention that commissions were paid out.
Some are still here and going forward some are waiting to see, and some have moved on. That is life guys. No one was ripped off.
Because of the challenges that held us back, some made by our own decisions, some just because that is life and technology we have offered some real fair and over compensating offers to those founding members who choose to go forward.
Investigation’s into mob connections, etc… wow… reaching hard there.
My contact info has always been public, no one is hiding, yes we made some bad decisions, no one stole anything, yes we wish we had hindsight to know what we know now.
OZ thank you for allowing me to share what I have. I see some of the comments have had stuff deleted. Hope that what I have written here is left as it is.
Anyone who wants to hear direct form me or get in contact with more than a dozen EcoEcoNow founders to communicate direct with them is welcome. Not hard to find our contact info.
Thank you again OZ – FYI I have been following this blog for a while and respect incite and open forum for comments.
thx/dom
Comments are only edited if they goes way off topic like personal attack, or repeated warnings about “stay on topic”.
You didn’t do either. Great! A little vague on the details, but still great! Hope you don’t pull a Jonathan Budd on us (he answered two rounds of questions, but when pressed for details, he just pulled up stakes and left)
Hey K. Chang like you I hate people who engage in what I call the “Art of vague specifics”.
I’m not trying to that. Just wanted to say what I feel and allow anyone reading to base their opinions on everything they read – true or not.
Its easy for misleading commenting to create some seriously large assumptions.
Not here to fight, just to let people know that there real people, product and services behind our different sites.
Each has its own purpose based on that sites niche.
Some hate mlm or anything to do with it. I can personally relate.
I know some want to say PCFmojo is just a free wordpress system with plugins you can buy anywhere. Please be real haters.
We have grown and so has every other system out there. That is tech and learning from our experiences.
The PCFmojo platform was designed to make things easier for people who don’t want to wing it on their own. Can most of the features be simulated or duplicated with some of the resources out there? YES…
That is NOT what our offering is. The offering is we did the hard work, working through the challenges any person using wordpress that wants the features we offer.
Demonstration beats conversation, so we have a try before you buy.. and at $25 per month we are hardly ripping anyone off. Think about hosting, purchase of plugins (you hope can do what they say), bugs when wordpress upgrades, and 1/2 the stuff stops working, hackers, etc…
The PCFmojo product is a service and solution.. Green Label does not pay anyone to recruit people,, and I am clueless where the gifting fits in. Or people paying each other.
There are some people who have a serious personal hate agenda.. not going to play into that.
I made some seriously bad timed decisions.. the main one – people. After I corrected that – the hate came on hard.
So be it… time, actions, and follow through is our answer.. late or not we did not quite.
Playing out that living in a Buddhist country is hiding, please. Heck if I’m correct OZ lives in Taiwan, and is from Australia. What does that mean. It means he lives outside of Australia.
Crazy world,,, freedom of speech can be a double edged sword. I will take the good, the bad the lies,,, but support free speech regardless.
Individuals need to weed out the truth from the lies.
To add a bit more clarity to this post about the Co-Founder of our Company, Technology, and sites.
The Co-Founder is Anver Sadutt (AKA by the Hater Lying Commenter above as the the Poor young guy in India).
No one trying to hide or be cryptic about Anver. Anyone who has been part of our program knows this clearly.
Anver is without a doubt one of the most clear thinking programers I have ever worked with. He stepped into helping me with the vision I had for the PCFmojo product after seeing me get unfulfilled results from some so called (“US Based Full IT Teams”). That concept is so BS… 90% of the most kick butt innovations online today have come from people no one has ever heard of before.
Anver is not only the head programmer, he is also my friend. No better person to help you build a big idea with than someone who is all in and has everything to gain.
Its sad, crazy, and frustrating to have people out there judging someone because where they have come from. Calling some “poor” as if its a negative. Anver is by no means poor, as a person, a family man, partner, and friend he is one the richest people I know.
Only time and results people get using our products, will be the true judge of PCfmojo. Tons of mistakes still be made. That is what it takes to succeed, make mistakes, learn, fix, move forward.
We are more than open to any questions. Not going to dodge anything that is presented with good taste and truth behind it. Wont waste our time with unsupported lies or twisted truths.
That’s the effect of “Attraction Marketing”, I’ll guess? It will reflect your own efforts to some degree.
Which company? “Tham Dai Dee Co., Ltd.”?
M_Norway – Yes Tham Dai Dee Co., Ltd. is the parent company. Eco-Eco Now is the working company for marketing and sales.
Sale and marketing of WHAT? “Founder positions”? 🙂
It have or had memberships ranging from $995 to $9,995, with monthly fees ranging from $97 per month to $997 per month.
Most people claim they bought “lifetime founder positions” for PCFmojo, a marketing system under development.
Not sure who you are – or how or where you are getting your incomplete information.
The info you are quoting has nothing to do with PCFmojo or Green Label.
If you are a founder contact me direct all the founders have my contact information.
If you are someone who “thinks” they know what they are talking about and is not a founder whats your deal?
I’m one of the “regulars” here, not involved in any opportunity. I haven’t been involved in any either.
The information was found in this thread, e.g. post #11, #25, #29.
People joined as “founders” …
The amounts I used as samples are from the RipoffReport quoted in the article …
1. Were people sold founder positions in Green Label Network and paid to recruit other founders?
2. The gifting comes from affiliates gifting eachother 100% of the money they pay into Green Label Network each month. The company doesn’t take any of this money thus nothing is actually sold.
Well, except for company membership which in turn permits a participant to recruit new members and receive monthly gifts from them.
Hello OZ –
There are no founders in Green Label.
There is a $25 monthly admin fee to license and be able to sell the squeeze mojo platform and the builder platform.
ZERO is paid on the admin fee. The only commissions are paid on the sale of the Squeeze mojo system only.
There is nothing paid unless one of the product systems are sold.
Plus everyone can try the system before they pay for the admin or purchase the products.
dom
So what are the founder positions someone mentioned earlier for?
Is there an additional $25 everyone is paying to the company? I didn’t see that in the compensation plan, I just a $25 fee affiliates paid affiliates with. That obviously cannot be counted as a product sale and license wise it’s just a license to recruit others and receive payments from them.
If the company generates $0 revenue from money transferring between affiliates then nothing is being bought and sold. It’s not even a commission it’s just straight up gifting. I join and give money to the person who recruited me.
What do I get out of it? I can recruit new affiliates who give me money each month too.
Placing the company or owner of a company at the top of a pass-up compensation plan does not change this either.
Hello M_Norway now I better understand your questions. Thank you for responding.
Fact is there has been 2 people who have made it sound like there is an army of members at EcoEcoNow who are up at arms.
That is not true. Claes is only one of a dozen active founders in PCFmojo and Green Label.
The number of founders quoted on the ROF is wrong to top it off. There are many who just use the system to promote their primary businesses. These people were never interested in promoting EcoEcoNow or PCfmojo.
All founders of EcoEcoNow get unlimited PCF’s. Currently we have over 300 subscribers on PCFmojo. Depending on the package they are using its $50 to $100 p/m max.
3 Founders have actually sold their EcoEcoNow founders memberships to active IMers for 4 times their initial spend of 2400 which by the way was 60% paid out in commissions.
If there was so much truth to what these guys are making it sound like why is there no law suites or any investigations.
Even CI was drawn in with lies. They were sent partial and edited power point docs to give the impression that EcoEcoNow was even a MLM. Which it is not. Its a simple 2 level affiliate program.
Regardless – there those who just want to hear what they want out there. So be it.
I see M_Norway – can I assume you are form Norway? Maybe you should contact one of our Norwegian founders and ask them direct about EcoEconow and myself.
True research is more than taking the word of anonymous posting.
At least here at BehindMLM there is dialog.
Accusing me to be mafia connected and a hit man for the US is the topper. How hard do you need to read to see the truth.
Again id someone wants to drill me on real in-depth questions about our products, comp plan please do. Nothing to hide.
Please just be real.
Thank you/dom
Hey Oz sorry I had to refresh to see your last comment.
The admin license fee is how the company makes its money on the first 2 products only.
Admin is $25 p/m NO Commissions paid.
Squeeze Mojo is an additional $25 p/m and all of that is paid out to the member who made the sale or split with the pass-up.
so total its 25 admin + 25 for squeeze mojo a total of $50 per month of which 25 is only paid out.
The builder which is also included by the same admin license fee is $100 per month and that is paid out via the plan. So a total of $150 if someone paid the admin, squeeze mojo 25, and the builder 100.
At PCFmojo that same package not broken into to parts is a total of 150 but 60% is paid out.
At $25 admin – and $125 paid out the company can make a solid profit.
There is no ponzi or any bs here its just a pricing strategy. We make more money at PCFmojo but the market likes the perception of 100%. Reality is there is no such thing as 100%.
I believe in one of your other post about another company you make the same point.
Hope this clarifies things.
@Domonic
I used your own information in post #31, calling the system itself for “it” rather than specifying each of the companies.
EcoEcoNow sold founders positions (Lifetime Vested Reseller positions) P1, P2 and P3 ($1,600, $2,400 and $3,600 “Limited offer”).
UOUPlus sold founders positions
PCFmojo sold founders positions.
Green Label sells “early bird positions”
So $25 admin fee, $25 gift paid straight to the upline.
The admin fee is fine (as it is with Empower Network), however nothing is being bought and sold with the other $25 if affiliates are just paying eachother.
You have to think of it from a regulatory viewpoint, they see money come in from an affiliate and it’s passed on (gifted) to another affiliate. Then you have the company claiming products are being sold yet unable to show any revenue for sales (all moneys are paid between affiliates).
Any other commissions split between the company (directly per sale, not via pass-ups) that is the result of selling products or services the company owns or has a license to market I have no issues with.
It’s these silly 100% pass-ups between affiliates that are the problem. There’s nothing differentiating them mechanically from gifting schemes.
OZ your point is well taken and true.
I can now see where the gifting comparison came from. We only picked the pass-up or our version the paired-pass-up because of its dynamics and current popularity.
Where we separate ourselves from Empower or any other pass up style program that I know of is our retail products which are being sold for the exact same price at our main site PCFmojo.
Next month we are rolling out our B2 products in Green Label. B2B – B2C – 80% payout – 20% company. The customers purchasing the B2 products will NOT see or be presented with the Biz Op.
The goal is to make a true ratio of 10 to 1 customers to affiliates. The only way i know how to do this is offer a kick butt product for market value or less. And keep it just retail.
I must admit this post was frustrating at first. I appreciate your perception and agree the perception is the reality.
If I had this dialog with you before we inked the current plan the plan more than likely would have been re considered.
Again thank you for the healthy debate. It opened my eyes, and some wounds.
dom
Good luck with the customers, Empower Network has already demonstrated that retail doesn’t exist in any sizeable numbers in a gifting scheme so a different comp plan is needed if you hope to generate them.
As for stuff being sold at PCFMojo, if it’s a different comp plan and branding than its revenue will have no bearing on analysis of Green Label. Green Label is a standalone MLM business opportunity and will be analysed as such.
I’m not trying to shit on your comp plan or business model, we just do analysis here and discussion. Unfortunately all too often that analysis gets mistaken as some sort of imagined personal vendetta.
Its all good OZ you got me thinking and your points are valid and well backed.
I have already taken a re vamp on how and what we present at Green Label.
The goal of Green Label is to attract the Biz Opers and make them retailers by course of our products.
After this dialog I am very clear on how I need to present our business model so that it does meet the criteria of what we are desiring.
thx/again/dom
Let me add that two long-timers in MLM, Len Clements and Rod Cook, stated that the Aussie X-up plan, which Empower uses, is a very bad plan for the affiliates. And it seems you use a variant of the same plan.
M_Norway “Green Label sells “early bird positions””
You are not reading any of our material correctly. Early Bird Position is ONLY a call to action, or a term to accentuate the timing of being at the beginning.
Not the top of some tree, but be one of the first to market, promote our products.
Its a fact if you market today via paid media being a first mover gives you a much larger market advantage. So the terminology is just that.
With PCFmojo there is NO such thing as Founders packages. And with EcoEcoNow.org the Founders Membership Package was a once in a lifetime offering to have unlimited PCF systems.
It does not take much to see if someone who is a real IM marketer using 10 PCF systems to promote various products just pays $50 per month x 12 months is $1200 per year they would spend.
Any serious IM person has at least 10 money sites. So if they could use our overall system and create as many sites as they want the savings of having a EcoEcoNow Founders Membership package makes sense.
That is an example, but it is easy to see how reality was twisted to fit the stories told.
It is what it is.
Reality is we have a great product line. It took much longer than we thought or wished to get it to the level we have today. That is not a crime.
A crime is all of those people who sell what they don’t have and then walk away.
We did neither and should be respected for such.
Thx again Behind MLM for the healthy debate.
best/dom
And “founder positions” is what got Funky Shark closed down (in part). Kevin Thompson has a whole article on what NOT to do in MLM, and one such thing is “never sell founder positions” as it’s likely to be regarded as “securities” even when it’s not.
Hello K Chang I know both Len and Rod for many years. Any plan without products that have solid retail value can be perceived as scams.
As you said we have a variance… this is key. Since we have a retail based product line no one passes any direct sale to anyone. A person makes the full amount or 50% of all direct sales.
Paired pass up simple means the power leg of the pass up is paired to the upline.
That is a mile apart from what Len or Rod meant.
People can say a martrix plan is a scam with spill over and all of its myths… yet both brother Len and Rod promote very heavily matrix plans.
So does that take away from their credibility? NO because its the variance that defines the difference, and more important the products that represent the plans in question.
I’m not new to this guys… do some deeper real research or if you know Len or Rod ask them about me.
All the best/dom
K Chang – I agree Founder Positions are a no no as far as regulators are concerned.
However EcoEcoNow NEVER had Founders positions. We sold a Unlimited never pay again for PCFmojo products Membership Package. That was named Founders Membership Package NOT Position or anything like that.
That is miles apart form advantages, percentages, or any other perceived sharing of profits concept.
It was a limited one time special offer. That will pay off big time for many of our EcoEcoNow members now that the market price for the PCFmojo products has been established.
dom
Good, don’t call it “founders”. Call it “limited time introductory special offer” or whatever. That way nobody can confuse it with something else.
Personally I don’t think the pass-up plan is not that good, even without Clements or Cook’s analysis. It’s a heavily “front-loaded” plan in that the initial sales (the first 10 or so) is heavily compensated then the later sales are mostly passed up.
This encourages people to make shorter term commitments rather than create long-term stability in sales.
K Change your analogy is backwards.. the traditional roll up or reverse roll-up is the front end heavy or as you put it the front load. Then after the initial pass-ups the back-end sales are spread out… but…
Our plan uses what we call a paired-pass-up this means everyone gets paid on all of their direct sales. So their is always a relationship connection with your customer and affiliate partner.
I have learned one thing over the years its not the comp plan that builds longevity or sustainability. Its the products and the value they create, and people making consistent money.
Paying out all the money to one or max 2 people keeps the wealth where it belongs to the people who created it.
With attrition being the biggest issue that any MLM or any other type of residual based program needs to deal with. The 2 key things that will keep any person in a program is the product need, and fewer people needed to break even, and profit.
Product need means; is the product a necessity or a difference maker for that persons success. (note: info based products don’t fill this need)
Make more with less clients is important because you don’t need hundreds or even thousands to earn a substantial sustainable income.
The combination of both is what creates a true wealth system and that is the ONLY way to encourage people to make long term commitments.
I’m not talking theory, I’m talking about what has worked for me over a 30 year career.
Green Label is just my way of giving back and taking it to the masses.
Nothing is perfect, its easy to shoot holes from the sidelines.. However its a gift to be able to bring a program to the people that was built from the ground up from life and business mistakes not 1/2 baked theory’s and opinions of experts who really make their living being experts instead of players in the game.
Not pointing fingers at you guys just adding to the conversation. We put our time, money, and efforts on the table…
dom
It’s much easier to sell something if it has the right “sound”. “Founder” has much more “sound” than “limited time introductory offer”. The first one sounds like a TITLE, the other one sounds like a salesman pushing something onto an unwilling customer.
Wealth Master International had mPower, M1, M2 and M3 as “products” and titles, e.g. “M3 Master Consultant”. CarbonCopyPRO added its own titles to that, e.g. “L4 Rising Star” (or something similar). So people got long and impressive titles rather than just the marketing lessons and the seminars, e.g. “M3 Master Consultant L4 Marketing Star”.
The full titles in EcoEcoNow can be something like “P3 Platinum Founder, member of the Development Team”. And people in that market will normally use the titles to identify themselves and their own feeling of ‘having achieved something in life’.
The titles are heavily used if they have the right “sound”. You’ll probably need to add more “sound” to your “limited time introductory offer” before it can be accepted in that market. 🙂
I am not good with computers so my daughter is helping me write this.
I gave Domonic Mongello $10,000.00 back in June of 2010 as a silent investor. Domonic sold me hard on Skype and sent me documents showing this finished pcf mojo technology marketed through ecoeconow.org marketing was estinmated at selling $100,000.00 the first 30 days after July 2010 launch.
My ROI on that would be $5,000.00 or half my investment returned in the first 30 days.
I did not understand exactly what it was , but I trusted my close friend Greg Taylor who was a partner with Domonic.
I have never received one penny return on my investment from Domonic Mongello and after giving him the money he has never spoken to me. I think he is a liar and a cheat.
My friend Greg contacted me a few times from Thailand and every time he would tell me Eco Eco could not launch yet for some reason. Greg came back to America in January of 2012 and said he was broke and hated to tell me he thought I had lost my $10,000.00.
Domonic, my brother is an International Lawyer and we have been preparing legal action. We have been waiting to see if you could ever create anything that was making money before we act.
I will give you a chance here publicly to apologize to me and promise here publicly to send me a token ROI payment of $1,000.00 for using my $10,000.00 for almost 3 years.
I will then let you know how to send it and if you send that $1,000.00 payment I will have my daughter help me write here that maybe you are not a liar.
You have avoided me for 3 years so do not contact me now. Answer me here publicly so people can see how you operate.
Hello Marilyn I need to clarify something with you.
You never gave the money to me, or our company. You gave that money to Greg.
You need to have a serious talk with Greg before you consider anything else.
I am more than happy to communicate with your brother or any other legal representative.
Respectfully/Domonic
Hold on there Dom. Did you or did you not sell her “hard” on Skype and send her documents? Was Greg your partner or not? Did you permit this lady to believe that he was?
You are responsible for your partners actions and representations. I am sure you know that.
If so….
Hello Hoss – or whoever you are.
Absolutely Greg was considered a partner and I totally feel Marilyn should be compensated.
However the facts not the BS that everyone have been dishing out should be understood and all of this should be done professionally not using sudo whatever your names are this week.
IF you or anyone else want to deal with things from a real, honest prospective then I am more than happy to do so.
I’m not hiding, and have nothing to hide.
My contact info is available to all of the founders and anyone else concerned.
dom
ostensible agent n. a person who has been given the appearance of being an employee or acting (an agent) for another (principal), which would make anyone dealing with the ostensible agent reasonably believe he/she was an employee or agent.
Okay, just to make things very clear… Are you disavowing any actions done by “Greg”? And do you know of this “Greg”? Not revealing any “damaging” info about this, of course.
You’re misleading yourself. Attracting money from unexperienced investors isn’t the same as “creating wealth”. It’s only about a redistribution of money from one person to another, or from one GROUP to another.
Creating true wealth will usually require an “exchange of values” between the parties involved in the transaction. Empty promises have very little value, and that is being reflected all over the internet from your previous attempts to create wealth.
You have simply been making it more difficult for yourself to generate any wealth in the future, due to a number of unfinished business projects popping up all over the internet. A project isn’t finished before the parties have accepted the situation and are feeling relatively satisfied with the outcome.
There HAS been an “exchange of values” in some of the examples here, e.g. you received the monetary value from Marilyn Pierrakos while she received the “value” of experience. 🙂
It would have worked if her primary motive had been to get that type of experience. But it clearly wasn’t, so that business project still have lots of unfulfilled transactions you haven’t managed to settle properly.
She’s clearly looking for other types of values. You should probably try to meet some of her needs.
You have people all over the internet withdrawing “potential income” from you as best they can, simply by referring to their own experiences. “Potential income” is about money coming in from other investors in similar projects. It will most likely raise some red flags for new investors, making it more difficult to attract money.
People popped up relatively immediately in this thread to tell about their own experiences with your previous projects. We didn’t do anything to attract them, other than publishing a relatively neutral review for your current business project. You have attracted them yourself by not finishing your previous projects correctly.
People had a need for “Founder positions” and unfulfilled promises? I don’t think you have interpreted their needs correctly here. What people easily can be attracted to isn’t the same as needs.
That idea will still be flawed if the clients later pops up on the internet as dissatisfied clients rather than as satisfied ones, eventually forcing you to rebrand yourself to be able to stay in business.
I believe you should stick to the “low hanging fruits” investors. Other types of investors will normally have defense systems to protect themselves against losses.
You’re missing something in your recipe? Wealth isn’t solely about money. It’s probably more about being able to live your life the way you want (typically in a meaningful way).
If you’re serious about “giving back”, you should probably start with your previous investors, rather than looking for new investors all the time?
“Giving back and taking it to the masses”? Exactly WHO are you trying to give something back to here? You’re collecting money from investors and income opportunity seekers, and you’re trying to keep most of the money for yourself.
Marilyn Pierrakos probably responded to your “give back” idea here. “Finally Domonic has decided to give something back, he has even posted something about his willingness to do so!”. She will probably give you the chance to show how able you are to live up to your own ideas. 🙂
M_Norway you are so way off,,, and now I understand why in your earlier comment you said you don’t do any deals..
You just troll post copy and paste pieces, sit on the sidelines and act like you know what you are talking about.
Get a life.
Do you disagree, e.g. do you believe wealth is solely about money? Or do you disagree in the “exchange of values” idea?
Greg probably earned a commission by attracting Marilyn as a “client”, but you still have problems with Marilyn. She’s popping up as a dissatisfied client when you’re trying to sell your new business to other income opportunity seekers and investors, “stealing” some of the potential investments away from you.
We didn’t attract her, you did it. You probably have unfinished businesses with her and other “clients”.
Marilyn invested $10,000 through Greg, but you closed the sale for him. And you were also the organizer, the one who made all the misleading promises. You probably kept most of her money too.
Having dissatisfied clients like that can seriously harm your current and future business projects.
I have no way of knowing if you or your company owe her anything. Like you say this is not the place to discuss such things; especially since she readily admits she did not know “exactly” what she was investing in.
psuedonyms …….. and Hoss is what I go by each and every week.
One of the ecoeconow.org founders emailed me about this post.
I just want to document I sent Domonic Mongello $2,400.00 over 1 year ago to be a founder and to have a pcf mojo marketing system.
All I ever got was a site to log into with no training on the site, no training and mentoring by Domonic as promised, and a few emails over 1 year with excuses why Eco had not launched.
Most of us were attracted by Domonic saying we were going to be a company with a conscious and save acres of rain forest with every sale and every monthly payment for pcf systems.
All lies!!
Conservation International President Amelia Smith had her lawyers stop Mongello from illegally using trademarks and their name on websites, videos, and webinars.
Mongello took in money for almost 2 years and never donated a dine towards saving rain forest. Where I’m from, we call that FRAUD!
Just an FYI…I accept I got screwed out of $2,400.00
Hello David you need to communicate direct with the company as well as me to get the real facts NOT what Greg was passing around. Most especially about CI.
Just because I and many of the original founders are opening up is not because anyone was avoiding anything.
Clarity and getting the correct information takes time. That information is at hand now.
If you are a founder you know this. So why are you here? Are you a real founder. I know of only one David out of all our founders and just finished talking to him.
dom
What “real facts” would that be, Domonic ??
The “FACTS are two people have come forward and told of being left out of pocket by their involvement with a company/ies with whom you are associated.
Neither of them “NEED” to do anything.
You are the one who NEEDS to repair an obviously damaged reputation.
Domonic…are you saying you owe no money to anyone?
@DD — seems you know who to contact and suggest they make things right. We’re LOVE to see how you do customer service.
It is in adversities that we see true character.
Really nice spin control by Mongello. He is as good as the slimy politicians and T.V ministers getting caught red handed and using the strategy to act like they are sorry.
Let’s hear your spin on these FACTS:
Carlos Acosta, Jr. invested $16,000.00 wired to your bank back in June of 2010 for a percentage of profits in EcoEcoNow.org. He said you would not even communicate by email or Skype after about 3 months after July 2010 launch (that never happened).
This is why no one will call Domonic… his bullying and intimidation tactics. Carlos Acosta has never received any return on his investment.
Carl Croland invested $10,000.00 wired to your bank in June 2010. Carl was cut off by you from communicating with you and also has never seen any return.
Marilyn Pierrakos invested $10,000.00. He now wants to talk to her on her public post above after no communication for almost 3 years.
Rob Hannley and Dave Garvin are the owners of Primo Vacations and Your Net Biz. Rob said he wired Domonic $8,000.00 back in 2010 before these other incidents happened. They were supposed to get a pcf system to market Primo and never received anything and just wrote it off as loss.
Mongello appointed these people in positions with Eco:
Scott Ross – International Marketing Manager
Gone and does not use pcf mojo
Greg Taylor – Vice President Marketing
Gone and does not use pcf mojo
Derek Bayer – National Sales Manger
Gone and does not use pcf mojo
Art Basmajian – National Sales Manager
Gone and does not use pcf mojo
Art’s profitable business builds websites & does marketing consulting for clients
Jon Volat – Director of Communications
Gone and does not use pcf mojo
All of these people have profiles online so anybody wants to see who is telling the truth can contact any of these people.
If the lies keep coming from Mongello our group of screwed founders ( over 53 communicating ) will release the names of all the founders so anyone that wants the truth can contact any of them and ask what they think of Mongello and pcf.
We have both types of readers, both people wanting to join specific types of opportunities and people wanting to avoid them. The material should preferrably be factual and balanced between different viewpoints.
There’s no need to invite 53 former “Founders” if all have relatively similar experiences. A few of them can probably fill in the most important details and give an overview. That has already partly been done.
To be fair, Domonic is doing what he’s experienced at and is trained to do = attracting money from income opportunity seekers by offering “systems” into a market. I don’t think any of the “Vested Reseller Founders” would have had the same complaints if the program had launched in July 2010 and had delivered some results.
I checked a “Vested Reseller Founders” list with 27 names, checking around half of them against a “WMI Member List September 2010”. Most of the Founders were former WMI members.
So Domonic is operating in the same type of market as CCPro, but with a different business idea. He’s partly using the same type of sales methods, e.g. using positions and titles to attract people.
Hi again
Even that I know what I say here will be misunderstood and twisted I have to say something here again.
First, is this discussion about Green Label Network, EcoEcoNow or Domonic Mongello? I thought it was some kind of review of Green Label.
I have used the pcf now and than since I joined. I have not built any full blown sales funnels but the platform, if thats the correct word for it, have been there almost since I started. It have never been down and impossible to log in to or use.
It’s up to each and everyone to log in and use it. OK, there hasn’t been much of master mind groups and that stuff, but the pcf has been there and still are.
Is it a complicated platform? I don’t think so. I had never used WordPress before and if I can learn anyone can learn. I’m sure many of you are much more professional than I am when it comes to internet skills.
There are many plugins and features you don’t get in free version of WordPress, so it takes some little time to learn, but anyone with a little ambition and skills can build sales funnels, from the blog to the squeeze, sales page – video or text, webinar, follow ups and more. Up to you to use it!
So from my perspective the product is delivered and that was years ago.
Than this about money to CI. I have read here somewhere that Domonic have stolen money from the founders and they paid this and that amount. We paid different amounts depending on when we came in, but you must remember that a quite big portion of the payment was commissions, and as far as I understand many of you founders made money when you sold to new founders, didn’t you? At least I did, good money too.
There where never anything said to me or any of the other founders I know of in any webinar or ppt or other document that CI should get paid from the money that came in from founders. CI was supposed to get paid when we started to sell to people outside the founders group. Correct me if I’m wrong.
So the product is there and ready to be used, just log in and start use it.
If you sold founder positions and made money, what are you complaining about? What money do you want to get back and from who? I will not pay anything back.
No money have been told to be paid to CI until we get, if I call it, public and start to sell to people outside the founder group.
“Mr” Claes
“Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it” – George Santayana
The review is about Green Label, but comments will usually take their own direction based on the information people are adding to it. Comments are user generated, but “sharing factual information” works better than certain other ideas.
I added some statements to “balance” the thread, to prevent the discussion from going too far in one direction.
Green Label is a part of the same GROUP of opportunities, and this thread has attracted more comments about PCFmojo and EcoEcoNow than Green Label. It will probably attract some comments about UOUPlus, too.
“Generated a lot of frustration” is probably a better description?
BTW, Reverse Funnel Systems are not sales funnels but recruitment funnels (recruiting people INTO an opportunity). Have anyone had any success using the system (other than the recruitment of the “Vested Reseller Founders”)?
Who are they?
I have an unlimited pcf mojo founder position.
Let’s see if your statement about 4 times value is true.
I will sell mine for $500 or best offer to anyone who wants it. Just post here if you want to buy this crap.
At least the Green Label people are only paying $25 monthly like Empower Network. I’m sure Domonic is just trying to copy David Wood’s profitable biz model.
If he places products in the $100, $500, and $1,000 slots that have something close to real/perceived value it may do a little something.
After what I experienced with Domonic Mongello, I would never participate with ANYTHING he is involved in.
Wow it this the same Kristan???
You like the rest of the lot a true work of class.
I´m a “Vested reseller founder” and it beats me why someone would have paid those amounts of money and NOT using the PCFmojo system/marketing platform!?
What were You waiting for? It has been there all the time! It was delivered!
I have been using it since day one, marketing my business opportunities and still using it and it´s a great tool to market ANY business you want!
When I started I knew absolute nothing about building sites and pages and here I have made almost 100 pages! I´ve learned via tutorials, trainings,(yes there have been severals!)support and skype groups. So once again what were You guys waiting for?
I can´t remember I read or heard anything anywhere someone else should do it for you! I´m saitisfied with what I got and will continue using it since in my opinion it´s the best marketing system/platform out there. Period!
1. Have you sold anything through it?
You have already specified “business opportunities”, so I don’t need to ask you about the “ANY business” statement.
2. Do the business opportunities you’re marketing INCLUDE PCFmojo as a marketing tool?
3. Which ones have you tried?
I’m not familiar with marketing platforms myself, but I’ll guess SOME readers will be interested in which other platforms you’re comparing it to.
That was 3 simple questions you can expect to get from some people in most normal internet marketing, if you have a system in place where people can ask questions.
For your information Dom there are three Davids that are Eco founders….David Koch, David Fort, and David Anderson.
All three of us think you are a liar and pcf mojo is crap!
The evil thing you do is go after people who are desperate to make money online!!
Has anybody noticed there are ZERO profitable online marketers using and promoting pcf mojo?? The best system in the world???
The reason Green Label Network will have very limited success is the real reason Empower Network by David Wood exploded that Green Label can not duplicate.
David had been a long time successful affiliate for MLSP, the hugely successful training platform for online home based business entrepreneurs.
MLSP has thousands of members who are trained extensively on how to successfully market online. Years of track record.
When David Wood launched Empower Network, he showed up at a major MLSP event and had private meetings with his MLSP downline and without letting owners of MLSP know he used the event to recruit hundreds of trained marketers attending the event.
Unethical….YES! Unprofessional…YES!
Deadly effective….Oh YES!!
I have never heard of this Mongello guy. So we have an unknown guy with no current track record of success online. He appears to be severely under capitalized and reputation is sketchy from all the RipOffReports online.
This guy is going to launch a company from scratch and beat the statistics saying 98% of these type companies go out of business within 2 years.
Buyer beware….Lightning does not strike twice!
I can probably fill in some parts of that story. Tt happened around December 10 2010, after some of the CCPro members had tried to “cross recruit” WMI members to Automatique Millionaire.
July/August 2009:
CCPro generated some “noise” in the Norwegian market.
September 2009:
A warning from Consumer Ombudsman about CCPro, as potential pyramid scheme.
January 12 2010:
Warning from authorities, but “haven’t reached any conclusions yet”.
February 2010:
WMI had an organized and successful recruitment meeting with Kip Herriage and Karl Bessey as guests.
Per Gunnar Hoem’s downline (Ketil Rekve, Magnus Haga, etc.) decided to market WMI directly (without CCPro), in an attempt to generate less “noise” in the market. Lena Bjorna continued as before, heavily spamming internet with CCPro ads directed towards the Norwegian market (until it gradually became quiet from her).
June 6 2010:
A new recruitment meeting with Kip Herriage and Karl Bessey, a little less successful than the one in February (but still worth the efforts).
Between February and June, Per Gunnar Hoem’s downline increased their sales (check WMI’s blog for “mPower top sales” and “M1 top sales”, March to October 2010). I believe Lena Bjorna’s downline experienced decreased sales in the same period.
I believe several WMI consultants tried to follow PGH’s example in other markets.
October 2010 ???
CCPro Marketing Event 6(?), with David Bach as one of the guest speakers. At this point, Jay Kubassek and CCPro’s revenue had been heavily decreased, so he was almost desperately looking for new income streams.
Early December 2010:
WMI members report cross recruiting attempts from CCPro members, to the new opportunity Automatique Millionaire.
At that time, CCPro had 708 member profiles, but the number started do decrease within a few weeks. I estimated around 3-400 members 3 months later, and Oz received a “compliance letter” from CCPro’s “compliance department” (my estimated guess was not compliant with CCPro’s “Fake it till you make it” strategy). 🙂
I was just notified about the post that was made above….
This post was not written by myself. These are NOT my words or my thoughts. This post is illegal as someone has entered my name and email address in the comments section and then written this comment as if they are actually me!
I will be contacting the admin of this site to seek out the IP address of whoever published the post above to possibly seek legal action. I’m furious that someone feels they can use my name, my picture, and my reputation to make comments that are not correct on my behalf.
I am a founder of EcoEcoNow and my experience with Domonic Mongello and other partners has been nothing short of professional and supportive… period. Which is why I have a made a video testimonial on the PCFmojo site complementing the support I’ve received so far.
Yes, I’m a single mother of two young children, and I’m very busy running an offline and online business and certainly don’t have time to make posts on this blog nevermind read all the posts on this blog. But now I’ve been forced to address this.
(Ozedit: derail attempt removed)
Thanks for the heads up Nicole. Someone is trying to abuse the comments system. I’ve been sending suspicious looking comments to the spam bin, that one got through.