Amway IBO sues company seeking unpaid wages
An Amway distributor in California is suing the company for unpaid wages.
Plaintiff William Orage alleges
although Amway has classified Plaintiff and other Amway IBOs as “independent contractors” … IBOs are Amway employees for the purposes of the Industrial Welfare Commission’s Minimum Wage Order and IWC Wage Order No. 4, and related Labor Code sections.
In the opening paragraph of his complaint, Orage claims his lawsuit is filed “on behalf of the California Labor Workforce Development Agency, pursuant to the Private Attorney General Act.
At first I thought this meant the government was involved, but upon closer examination that’s not the case.
California’s Labor Workforce Development Agency (LWDA) is a government agency, but they aren’t a party to the lawsuit.
According to Orage, he contacted LWDA last October regarding violations detailed in his lawsuit.
As of January 10th, the date he filed his lawsuit, Orage had received no response from LWDA.
The Private Attorney General Act (PAGA)
authorizes aggrieved employees to file lawsuits to recover civil penalties on behalf of themselves, other employees, and the State of California for Labor Code violations.
A prerequisite of PAGA is filing a claim notice with LWDA.
As an alleged Amway employee, Orage asserts he wasn’t paid “minimum wage for all hours worked, as required by California law”.
Amway failed to keep the necessary employment records for Plaintiff and other IBOs in California, including documentation of hours worked and meal periods taken and/or missed, and to make those records available to IBOs for review.
Orage also alleges the IBO Product Starter Kit he felt “compelled” to purchase is a work-related tool.
As per Californian law, employers are required “to provide such work-related tools”.
Orage joined Amway in 2015. His description of his time in the company fits that of a product-based pyramid scheme.
At his sponsor’s urging, Mr. Orage joined an IBO organization called World Wide Group LLC, in order to access trainings, meetings, and conferences dedicated to recruiting, training and coaching Amway IBOs.
World Wide Group LLC is an Amway-accredited “Approved Provider”, authorized by Amway “to provide IBOs with support such as conferences, literature, webinars, mentoring, and more”
World Wide Group LLC is managed by Amway IBOs who have built their downlines to achieve “Diamond” level or above inside Amway’s IBO hierarchy.
Once in “active” IBO status, Mr. Orage spent between 10 and 20 hours per week prospecting for new recruits, attending meetings and conferences, and listening to audio recordings, all at the direction of his uplines.
While Orage’s upline and World Wide Group profited from his continued purchases, his own Amway business failed to gain any traction.
Mr. Orage estimates that he paid Amway approximately $450 in annual renewal fees.
During his time as an IBO, Mr. Orage personally purchased approximately $50,000 in Amway products.
He made only two product sales – both to his mother – during his four-year tenure with Amway.
Against the $50,000 he spent, Amway paid Orage $12,671.
Orage states “all but a few dollars” of that amount were rebates against his own purchases.
Orage does not disclose whether at any point Amway contacted him to confirm he was making retail sales.
Mr. Orage focused his efforts as an IBO on recruiting prospective OBOs but was unable to convince anyone to sign up to be an Amway IBO.
The trap to fall into here is analyzing Orage’s marketing skills. The real takeaway is that, presumably, Orage was a product of World Wide LLC’s training.
According to Orage;
Much of the material presented are devoted to instructing IBOs on how to recruit new IBOs and emphasize that such recruitment is key to an IBO’s success.
Under Amway’s compensation plan, upline IBOs earn commission payments on products bought and sold by their “downline” IBOs.
The compensation formulas used by Amway offer IBOs far more potential earnings from “downline” activity than through their own direct sale of product.
If an “Amway-accredited” company, owned by Amway distributors, is pitching recruitment over retail – that’s indicative of a much wider problem.
Although it’s not the focus on Orage’s complaints, he does address this in his lawsuit.
Amway’s business model focuses on the recruitment of IBOs and the fees that flow from that recruitment.
Amway generates a substantial portion of its revenue from the recruitment of IBOs like Plaintiff.
Amway performs this recruitment through the work of IBOs whose principal task is the recruitment of more IBOs.
Upline IBOs earn compensation on products purchase and/or sold by their “downline” IBOs.
The bigger the downline, the more compensation an IBO makes.
Getting back to unpaid wages; a key factor in Orage’s lawsuit will be convincing a court he is indeed an Amway employee.
In support of this, Orage cites numerous controlling rules Amway imposes on IBOs.
These include prohibiting Amway IBOs from
- not being able to sell or transfer their Amway business without written permission from the company;
- selling products to retail customers online outside of their replicated Amway website;
- selling products to retail customers at a retail establishment, even if the IBO works or owns the establishment;
- displaying Amway products are event without prior authorization; and
- using Amway products for fundraising purposes; and
- working for or selling products of other MLM companies.
Amway also threatens to hold IBOs accountable for the actions of their spouses, even if said spouse is not an Amway IBO.
Across three causes of action, Orage is seeking civil penalties, pre-judgment and post judgment interest and legal costs.
Unfortunately being filed in Superior Court, I can’t track the case on Pacer. That said if I do come across any updates I’ll provide them below.
A similar lawsuit alleging Nerium distributors were employees was filed in mid 2018.
The suit was dismissed in January 2019 over jurisdictional issues.
Their products is garbage!!!
This is so so so funny. Most of the information he is giving is so inaccurate and fron day one we are rold we get pay by commission and tgat there is a minimum commissions like a insurance sales person or a realstate broker etc.
Waitress jabe it worst they get pay be low minimum wage and the rest is make on tips if they make any.
Amway registration is only 62 dollars a year and the education sistem (training) is only 64 dollars.
This guy only sold 2 product bbecause u didn’t do what he qas suppost to i have sold way mor than that and it is only to relative and friends.
He was just to lazy like 60% of tge american population that want to get rich doing the bear minimum.
I fill sorry for the jornalist who wrote amd is following this atrocity because obviously he fail to dp his home work.
Wow this guy is an idiot if he spent over 50K in four years, and only sold to his mom… if he hadn’t figured out within the first year this wasn’t for him, he deserves to have lost as much as he had.
Can’t stop stupid from being stupid.
Yes all that is true I was an IBO for 5 years spending on products and tickets for seminar and conventions and did not gain even 1/3 of what I spend.
Hope we all can get some of what we spend back a least.
@william
I get comprehension might not be your strong suit (spelling and grammar certainly isn’t), but the issue isn’t getting paid a “minimum commission”.
The issue with payment is two-fold;
1. Orage is claiming for unpaid wages (asserting IBOs are employees); and
2. the commissions paid out by Amway are primarily tied to recruitment (downline purchases) over retail sales.
If taken as true, Orage’s experience, in particular the training he was provided by Amway, certainly reflects that.
As for comparisons to insurance and real estate; If you worked for a company in either of those niches and didn’t get paid for your work, you’d certainly have a case to pursue for unpaid wages.
@Michael
If the majority of Amway’s company-wide revenue is sourced from affiliates, then there’s bigger problems then alleged unpaid wages.
Perhaps, but the FTC can stop a product-based pyramid scheme (and have been doing so of late).
No, but cult-like brainwashing can be incredibly effective. What do you think the “training” was all about?
I’ve been in Amway for almost a year. After reading this, I really can’t see this going anywhere in court.
MLM isn’t about getting paid for work you put in. It’s about individuals working from the bottom up to build their own business.
I can’t help but seeing this guy telling others how amazing this opportunity is, and then the next day feeling the need to get RICH by sueing Amway. Good luck Dude.
Some of you are speaking like uneducated fools, obviously Orage didn’t read the agreement and clearly he didn’t understand what he was doing.
1st- IBO’s aren’t Amway employees you don’t work for Amway you work for yourself Amway only help you to maximize on the business opportunity and help you to make more money in your business.
2nd- You can have one million downline having a successful business but as long as your not doing what your suppose to you don’t benefit at all from those work that your downline partners are doing.
3rd- Obviously Orage did not learn a thing over that 4 years and he wasn’t applying what he was taught, and he was too busy trying to recruit persons instead of growing himself and genuinely interested in helping others succeed than focusing on his personal gain (selfish desires).
4th- I’m sorry for the un-informed journalist who wrote this article shame on you go on do your research before you start spreading propaganda, go do your research and get the understanding.
5th- For the persons talking bad about Amway it’s obvious you didn’t do what you were taught so you didn’t reap the results.
Always remember this if you give a man with an employee mindset a million dollars and tell him to go build a business in a year he’ll be broke again, because the only thing that changed is that he got a million dollars he never had, he didn’t change his mindset from being an employee to becoming a business owner so he will always have a broke employee mentally……
@Monty
I agree with you Monty Orage is just looking for some money.
If it’s “my business”, why does Amway set the rules?
What are you “suppose to” be doing?
Sounds like Orage was taught to keep spending money and recruit others who do the same.
That mathematically cannot work for everyone, so you come across as victim shaming.
Statistically speaking I’ve probably been covering the MLM industry longer than you’ve been in Amway.
How about we drop the MLM cult cliches? The bullshit you’re taught to regurgitate in your overpriced recordings and webinars won’t work here.
What the h*** does that mean ?
Are you psychic or do you know William Orage personally?
How the h*** do you know what he did or didn’t do or have the slightest clue what lead him to reach this point ?
The simple answer is, you have no bloody idea and are simply regurgitating what your upline and the company told you.
How do you do that?
Dang, the cult members are out in full force.
The meaning of ibo is Independant Business Owner. What part of that says EMPLOYEE.
Orage you are such an idiot trying to get money that you will never get. Besides, Amways products are amazing.
I totally love them. The ppl who says its garbage just don’t have the money to afford it.
It works the same way if you own a restaurant franchise.
You own the store, but the brand company sets the rules you have to follow, such as what to put on the menu, where to buy your ingredients from, how to advertise locally, how to train the employees, etc.
And as the franchise owner, you’re not an employee of the brand company.
@Mitch
I’m not to keen on MLM affiliates being classified as employees myself, but the court isn’t going to care what term is used to describe distributors.
If an MLM company decided to call their distributors “slaves” and then just not pay them, that wouldn’t hold up in court as a defense.
@Dan
Do you sign a franchise agreement when you sign up as an Amway IBO?
If not then being an Amway IBO is nothing like owning a restaurant franchise.
You mean like encourage your next-door neighbor to open a restaurant, and then have that neighbor also open a restaurant on the same block as you two; and then you be the only one that eats at your own restaurant as long as you get your whole block to open restaurants, and then some, with no customers but the restaurant owners and their kids?
Mr Orange, if you completed your graduation from the college (Ozedit: college != MLM opportunity, derails removed)
Nice article. I have to admit that I am in Amway business for 3 years, and I am successful in it. However, I dislike the cult like teaching that most IBO groups offer. So I would like to offer an impartial analysis after seeing this business from inside:
1. Everyone cannot be successful in this business. The model doesn’t allow it, because you will always need more people.
2. It is impossible to loose money if you can learn selling. You will always make money. But if you cannot sell, you will not earn.
3. Amway as a business is not easy. It is damn hard. Rewards are tremendous, but not everyone can make it.
4. Key is treating it like a proper business, not a motivational seminar. Learn to sell first, then sell a lot. Teach what you learned to some sales team that you will now mentor. But instead of selling, most groups go on making cult like motivational speaches that attempt to lure people into some sort of shortcut to become rich.
5. It is true that an upline doesn’t benifit from downline’s sales until some conditions are met. In short, the upline will also have to work to get downline’s commissions. No free money. I like that part.
6. Thumb rule: do not join Amway if you cannot sell. Motivations will take you nowhere.
Hope the case is thrown out. I am no fan of Amway but in any mlm you make money on mostly customers and downline independent business owners as an ibo he is not an employee.
The idiot will likely have his case thrown out.
The I bought has no reason to sue or no case the punk I’d looking for a free meal ticket because he is lazy and afraid yo bring ild his own business life is not free less you a lazy scammer.
An independent ibo of anyway products means you own your own business therefore you are responsible to keep track of your own records for your business the Amway is not working for you if you for them it your store you run it quit being stupid.
Through that case out. He a pusdey and a third looking for a hand out because he a lazy piece of shit saytheth our lord Amen.
Wow I am an ABO and very happy with the pppotunity Amway has given me and my family.. what’s wrong with that guy?
he must work for money and certainly he does not understand the business at all..
Amway business always pentastic and amazing, with out effert how to expect income.
Similarly this is the own businesses. All people they knows how to get money.
Hello, to the point of the article, if no contract of employment was signed then no employment happened.
I agree with Nick.
For an IBO to be profitable either you get to top 1% in terms of income, or you are likely not profitable. Even the most negative articles I’ve read about Amway don’t deny that.
I like some products and I don’t like others. I used to like some products Amway no longer offer, which is a bit sad. I’ve also seen others which I won’t buy, I don’t like them. But there is plenty of choice.
If someone orders the ones I don’t like I deliver and shut up.
The support system forced me to read more books than any job I had. I like that.
If you have the discipline to read a lot you might not need this kind of persuasion.
All things considered there are many businesses which are more profitable, but I like many things about Amway Co and I learned a lot from their business model, e.g. having an insurance embedded in the price of every product, having an internal currency long before Bitcoin was invented, having production facilities in the countries they operate, keeping profits in one country during first 10 years of operations in a new territory, and a lot more.
Also I’d like to build 1B$ company and pick their brains a bit…
This guy is out of his mind so he expect to get success by just selling products to his mom he got to be kidding me, he has an employee mindset.
Amway and wwdb will continue to grow hugher than it’s ever been that’s it period!!! they have changed many lives and many will continue to change!
Thank you god for the impact they have made on me and will continue to make.
I take it that Amway don’t provide their distributors with dictionaries if the comments on this article from the cult members are anything to go by.
Still I suppose if you join a multi level marketing scheme where 99% of participants are guaranteed to lose money, intelligence – never mind adult literacy – isn’t going to be a requirement.
Drivel. Governments don’t give two shits about the nonsense MLM players tell each other. If it looks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, it’s a duck.
To the “independent business owners” queuing up to independently parrot the Amway spiel – how many companies do you buy stock from other from Amway? If the answer is “none”, you are not independent. It’s as simple as that.
In the UK the taxman has brought numerous successful cases against companies which tried to get away with treating employees as independent contractors, when in fact they “contracted” for nobody other than that one company, i.e. they were an employee.
The USA also follows the common law system and there is no reason to think they will treat a duck as anything but a duck.
Oh that’s a good point.
If they could also prove that the majority of these people recruit other people to purchase products directly from the company as an “IBO”, versus setting up a bonafide retail re-selling business, that would be another.
For example, if a person is out there trying to get McDonalds franchises to saturate the earth, seems to me they’d be working for McDonalds Corp.
Let’s not confuse this with a McDonalds franchise owner whose business is dependent on customers who spend money and eat at their restaurant. Let alone protecting their territory so they can have as many customers as possible to make their restaurant profitable.
One is a head hunter for corporate, and the other is running a customer driven establishment.
What exactly were the 99% of participants doing in Amway that lead them to believe they lost money into thin air?
On their website, it says if you are not satisfied within the first 90 days, they will offer a full refund.
As I understand it it’s the lure of income that never comes.
Meanwhile you’re spending money on products and training that over time results in a net loss.
How can 99% of participants potentially make a profit in Amway?
If they go the pyramid route then by recruiting others who buy products to qualify for commissions.
If they are interested in building a legitimate MLM business, then through retail sales and recruiting others who also focus on retail sales.
So sad people get a license and don’t do shit then expect to get paid.
Few who sign up for an MLM like Amway think for a minute they can sit on their butts and make money.
Typically they work hard, buy a bunch of overpriced products like they’re told to, lose money because no one else wants them, wise up, and drop out.
Some True Believers lose thousands holding out false hope, but the truth is simple math: per the late Dr. Jon Taylor, it takes about 100 people losing money to support each one who’s making money, which amounts to about 99% ending up poorer for the experience of signing up.
The amount of Amway sales outside the pyramid is tiny. The company rules that let them skate when the FTC took them to court in 1979 are still on the books, but are as unenforced today as they were back then.
Even worse, the pyramid-within-a-pyramid tools scams like Worldwide Dream Builders have since arisen, sucking even more money from the pockets of the pyramid population.
You’re just blaming victims because that’s what you hear from others in the Amway organization.
I hope you figure out what a scam Amway is before you lose too much more money, and I hope when you do no one treats you the way you’re treating them.
Amway cancelled all events, there was no person to person retail during the pandemic, and everybody was relying on the government for help.
Do you know how much money Amway made in sales for 2020, and what was the average income for IBOs? For the past 70 years, IBOs were making $200 a month while spending $300 on products.