Winning Express Review: Sporting arbitrage or Ponzi?
The Winning Express website does not identify who who owns or runs the business.
There is an “about us” link in the footer of the website, however clicking it at the time of publication redirects visitors to the main homepage.
This snippet in the Winning Express FAQ was the only bit of information pertaining to the owners I was able to find:
I note that the proprietors of Winning Express are resident in Seychelles. Why is this?
Although the profits you will make from the services are tax free (Betting Tax was abolished at the turn of the century) the fact remains that if an individual is deemed to be making a full-time living from betting then he/she is regarded as a professional gambler and winnings are considered to be earnings.
Rather than be subject to higher rates of tax, the sports analysts who devised the methodology opted instead to sell their services via an offshore company in an appropriate location.
Also, current clients of Milton Express Ltd who pay £2,250 per annum for advices are spared VAT.
So under the guise of hiding out in greater Europe because they don’t want to pay taxes in the UK, Winning Expresses owners operate the scheme from a location unknown.
Furthermore the above FAQ question suggests that information about the owners of the company was once provided, but has since been removed.
That’s not exactly confidence inspiring.
I did try to dig around and find out who was behind Milton Express, but nothing concrete surfaced.
The Winning Express website domain registration was registered on the 24th of November 2010, and lists a “Darren Bate” of “Admin Solutions UK LTD” as the owner.
As above, Bate (right) is actively promoting Winning Express across multiple social media accounts bearing his name, but I wasn’t able to ascertain his specific role within the company.
Pertaining to Admin Solutions UK LTD, as per the Winning Express FAQ:
Does this mean all my dealings will have to be catered for by international staff?
No, all administration of Winning Express will be conducted by Admin Solutions (UK) Ltd based in Sheffield, South Yorkshire.
Basically Admin Solutions run the admin side of Winning Express from within the UK, while its owners hiding overseas:
Admin Solutions (UK) Ltd provides invaluable secretarial and administrative back up for a variety of companies or individuals. We can operate on a contractual basis or a pay as you go system based upon your circumstances.
Again, whether Darren Bate works for Winning Express, Admin Solutions UK or both is unclear.
Update March 3rd 2016 – Winning Express appears to have collapsed, which seems to have prompted Darren Bate to get in touch:
I provided admin only for this company of which i no longer do so.
I’ve asked him who he was working for, will update if I hear anything back. /end update
Update March 5th 2016 – Further clarification from Bate:
I was and never have been the face behind Winning Express, Admin Solutions merely provided the administration service to Milton Express Ltd which has now lapsed and been awarded to Milton Admin UK Ltd, the face behind Winning Express is and always has been Graham Bradbury.
/end update
As always, if a MLM company is not openly upfront about who is running or owns it, think long and hard about joining and/or handing over any money.
The Winning Express Product Line
Winning Express has no retailable products or services, with affiliates only able to market affiliate membership to the opportunity itself (£99-325 GBP each quarter).
Once signed up, Winning Express affiliates are given access to a sporting abritrage platform:
Affiliates can invest funds in this platform, with Winning Express advertising an average ROI of 2% each month.
The minimum investment amount is £1000 GBP, the maximum £20,000 GBP.
The Winning Express Compensaion Plan
The Winning Express compensation plan revolves around affiliates signing up, paying a quarterly membership fee and then recruiting others who do the same.
Referral commissions are also paid out on funds invested in Winning Express’ sporting arbitrage platform.
Recruitment Commissions
Winning Express affiliates are paid a commission on the recruitment of new affiliates.
These commissions are paid via a unilevel compensation structure.
A unilevel compensation structure places an affiliate at the top of a unilevel team, with every personally recruited affiliate placed directly under them (level 1):
If any affiliates on level 1 go on to recruit new affiliates, they are placed on level 2 of the original affiliate’s unilevel team.
If any level 2 affiliates recruit new affiliates, they are placed on level 3 and so on and so forth down a theoretical infinite number of levels.
In Winning Express commissions are capped down eight levels of recruitment as follows:
- level 1 – £30 GBP
- level 2 – £15 GBP
- level 3 – £7.50 GBP
- level 4 – £6 GBP
- levels 5 and 6 – £4.50 GBP
- levels 7 and 8 – £3 GBP
At the end of a Winning Express affiliate’s first 3 months of membership, they have the option of becoming an Executive Member for £325 GBP (payable each quarter).
If an Executive Member convinces affiliates in their downline to upgrade to Executive Membership, they then earn the following commissions in place of the regular Associate commissions above:
- level 1 – £100 GBP
- level 2 – £50 GBP
- level 3 – £25 GBP
- level 4 – £20 GBP
- levels 5 and 6 – £15 GBP
- levels 7 and 8 – £10 GBP
Arbitrage Investment Referral Commissions
When personally recruited affiliates invest funds into their Winning Express arbitrage accounts, the company pays out a 2% commission on the initial deposit.
This extends residually each month to 0.5% of the invested funds, as long as they are not withdrawn.
Ambassador ranked affiliates also earn 0.25% on funds invested by affiliates their personal recruits have recruited (level 2).
To qualify as an Ambassador, a Winning Express affiliate must recruit at least three affiliates, who each recruit at least three affiliates, who each also recruit at least three affiliates (minimum 27 affiliates over three levels of recruitment).
Each of these affiliates must be current with their Winning Express affiliate membership fees to count towards Ambassador qualification.
Monthly Prize Draw
Winning Express affiliates who recruit and maintain three personally fee-paying affiliates are entered into a monthly prize draw for £1000 GBP.
Joining Winning Express
Basic affiliate membership with Winning Express as an Associate Member is £99 GBP every three months.
Executive Membership is also available for £325 GBP every three months.
The primary difference between these two membership options is income potential through Winning Express’ compensation plan.
Conclusion
If you commit yourself to spreading the Winning Express philosophy to as many people as you can over the first few months, then your momentum will be unstoppable.
Ugh, what a compliance nightmare this one is.
The only marginally legitimate side of Winning Express I was able to separate from the rest of the opportunity was the sporting advice service.
Basically you pay Winning Express to provide you betting tips and then place your bets.
Unfortunately though, that’s massively out weighed by the rest of the company’s business model.
Let’s start with the managed sporting arbitrage service, which was all anyone promoting the scheme talked about in their presentations.
Basically you a drop a minimum of £1000 GBP with Winning Express and they advertise a ROI of around 2% a month:
Winning Express skim 10% off the top and you do absolutely nothing. A completely passive 2% ROI a month investment.
This is supposedly generated via the automated placing of bets by the company, but then things like restricting the amount an affiliate can invest unless they recruit new affiliates or sign up for the £325 GBP a quarter package make little sense.
Those are things a Ponzi scheme would implement to encourage new funds to flow into the system and increase their investor pool.
I mean if you’re making 2% a month via betting on separate investment amounts, what does it matter if your affiliates are paying £99 GBP a quarter or £325 GBP – ditto recruiting new investors?
The only reason I can see affiliates being required to pay more is to trap more of their funds in the system. Oh and to earn more from those also paying more as an affiliates (pay to play):
Being an executive and helping your team to become executives too makes a huge difference to your earnings potential.
The recruitment commissions then totally drag Winning Express into pyramid scheme territory.
First of all investments made in arbitrage accounts by recruited affiliates are commissionable, with this being in line with Ponzi referral commissions.
Then there’s the membership fee commissions, which are paid down eight levels of recruitment:
This component of Winning Express’ compensation plan is just a straight up pyramid scheme.
Affiliates buy in and then are paid to recruit new affiliates. This is completely external to the sporting arbitrage side of the business and leaves me questioning the validity of it.
I mean, if you’ve got such blatant fraudulent activity taking place on the membership side of the business, who’s to say there’s any legitimacy to the bets allegedly being placed.
All we know is Winning Express affiliates invest funds with the company, sit back and collect an advertised 2% ROI each month.
Not helping is the murky details of Winning Express’ owners. An individual or individuals hiding out in Seychelles? Yeah… it’s just too hard to overlook all the Ponzi red-flags Winning Express has written all over it.
At best, I figure you’ve got a somewhat legitimate betting service attached to a fraudulent pyramid scheme commissions structure.
At worst, Winning Express are simply running a Ponzi scheme, using newly invested funds to pay off existing investors, with an attached fraudulent pyramid scheme commissions structure.
I can’t see any reason to attach a pyramid scheme to an otherwise legitimate sporting arbitrage service, so make of that what you will.
I hope that anyone who gets involved with this scheme doesn’t rely on the “tax free” statement(s) on “The Winning Express” site.
On the other hand, most participants likely won’t see much or any income, “tax free” or not, from the scheme, so the “tax free” issue will probably remain moot.
There is no “sports arbitrage”.
Arbitrage is taking advantage of different prices/rates around the world. Currency arbitrage, for example, is buy currency where it’s cheap and then sell it where it’s more expensive and earn the difference. Often, the amount earned is miniscule.
There’s no such “margin” to be had in sports betting, which is more of a “game of chance”. Sure, different places may offer different odds, but how do you arbitrage that? You’d win as often as you’d lose.
Sports betting places aren’t stupid. They have their own odds calculators working on this all the time.
And don’t forget, the original Ponzi… Charles Ponzi, used arbitrage (of international reply coupons) as basis for his scheme in the beginning.
“Sports arbitrage” is just a cover. It’s a nonsensical term applied as disguise of a pyramid/ponzi hybrid.
that’ just swill.
how is this scheme any different from the various ponzis, which have ‘unique’, automated, trading software attached to them?
nobody hardly ever trades, and nobody ever generates any money from that trading, to pay affiliate profits. it’s the same with this ‘sports arbitrage’ nonsense.
besides how can ‘betting’ consistently return 2% gains month after month? you win some, you lose some.
winnings express is just another crappy ponzi.
I’m not disputing this maybe dodgy but there is actually a way to arbritage sports bets.
Various bookmakers have different odds etc. So you can back and lay at the different prices
sports betting arbitrage exists all obver…not sure what KCHANG is talkiing about.
the numerous casinos and sportsbook around the world simply cant have the same odds …therefore many systems are out to find the differences.
The reason they need big dollars is because of the small winnings ..that ARE GUARANTEED when you find one….assuming they pay.
Austrailian Based Sportsbook simply cant follow U.S. Baseball like they can Cricket…vice versa.
sports arbitrage may very well exist, but the relevant question is whether ‘winning express’ is actually generating income from the sports arbitrage, they say they do.
idiot ponzi schemes will tag idiotic products like banner ad’s, training videos etc, to convince members they are ‘legit’.
more sophisticated scamsters will tag things like ‘automated options trading software’ , ‘sports arbitrage’, to fool members and observers that ‘something of value’ is being sold and ‘real profits’ are being generated form some mysterious complicated business. hogwash of course.
i would be shocked if winnings express puts even a penny in sports arbitrage or whatever, it’s all about new money paying the old.
Sports betting arbitage definately exists, the betting exchanges such as betfair make “greenbooks” even more possible. I myself have backed horse at 20/1 then laid it at 4/1 for a guaranteed profit.
The question is, is winning express really doing arbitrage for a source of profits, or is it just a blag to cover up a ponzi.
Problem is the same as with currency arbitrage. Bookmaker is not going to take your order for free. So after fees and taxes, even if you played your cards right, your profit margin will be extremely slim.
And, of cause, there is risk that bookmaker will go out of business/currency fluctuations and so on. Thats why you do not hear about people who got really rich on sports arbitrage.
The dream that you can make it rich without much risk is just a dream.
There are so few sports betting arbitrage opportunities, there’s no way it can sustain this Ponzi.
First of all, most of the places where you can arb by betting online use the same service to update lines.
You are talking windows of opportunities in the seconds for big line moves. Small differences of 5-10 cents you can’t arb against because you pay more than that in juice.
Trust me on this, I know sports bettors who sit on their Don Best screens all day long to chase the “smart money” steam, much like a lot of stock day traders would look at one stock as lead indicator and buy the tail (pairs trading but using day trading arb) in a window that lasts a few seconds.
Secondly, unless you are running your own book and arb by shaving your own lines to entice action against your bias, you can’t get enough money down to arb anything even close to supporting a Ponzi.
The limits at books from 500-5000 means even if you found one arb per day and could put down 5k on it on each side, you’re netting what, $125-250 per arb at most? And that’s only for pro game lines on day-of.
Overnight lines are much smaller limits and wider spread. Totals, where you can try to middle a wager, have smaller limits. College, props, entertainment bets have much smaller limits.
And there’s no way in hell a book will let a single syndicate automatically place wagers for hundreds of other accounts, if that’s what the Ponzi is saying they are doing for each individual member.
Thirdly, if you are arbing, you don’t need the investment. The classic reason to need investment for any typical arb is that you need size to reduce spread. But in today’s sports book, you don’t get reduced spread with size. You have max size unless you’re wagering in person, and that’s just not scalable.
Lastly, if the claim is the arb is occurring person where you can put size down, every sportsbook has their own Don Best station and before accepting an oversized wager they check the lines at other books. They aren’t dumb – they want to make sure if there is some news they missed, like a major injury, that the line didn’t move already and they are just behind.
Middling does work but you are chasing a lot of bets and might hit 1 in 10. So you pay juice for 9 days and profit on the 10th day and in the end made like a few points. Hardly a living let alone a Ponzi.
In fact, the risk of error is the biggest reason people who chase middles lose money. They didn’t offset properly and have to buy the bet back, or don’t realize it until after the game.
@ Boris I actually have a mate who makes a living on horse racing arb. He’s not rich but he makes a living. That said from the outside it looks like harder work than work !
Well I don’t know how it works but I do know I have put money in and have earned 2%+ per month since doing so.
Not much of a review when you didn’t mention Milton Express founded in 2010 by Stephen Kelly and Jeff Ansell.
It doesn’t seem to be very relevant?
milton-express.com had a lot of vague information, difficult to verify. Further research only leads to more vague information, e.g. Acquiro Trading International Ltd.
It means that the information found on milton-express.com is relatively meaningless, so it doesn’t belong in the review.
Which means you have to wait 50 months @ 2% per month before you make back your initial deposit
It offered 2% or 2.15% ROI per month from some type of “profit generating system”, plus recruitment commissions if people introduce other “clients”.
That should normally be identified to be a combination of a Ponzi scheme and a pyramid scheme — a Ponzi pyramid hybrid.
No of Madoff’s victims ever figured out how he paid out either, until he confessed to the FBI.
But out of sight, out of mind, right?
Pat is the 2% per month real cash that you have seen or just a spreadsheet statement? I could send you one of these stating 1000% per month!
Winning Express may once upon a time have made their profits from trading on Betfair but not any longer, or at least not totally.
I use Betfair on a daily basis. The amount of money that is bet on each race with Betfair can been seen on screen. The average amount has not increased since I began trading on Betfair in 2011.
If Winning Express have been generating investment money to an extent that can only be guessed at, how come the average amount being traded per race (or per football match) on Betfair has not increased?
There is no more money being bet than there was in 2011. Ergo, Winning Express must be using a large proportion of the investment money on other things, such as private jets, yachts, Ferraris, holiday villas, etc.
Article updated with ownership clarification from Darren Bate.
I have been a member of WE for almost 3 years now and I have to laugh at some of the comments written on here by supposed “experts” First of all WE has not collapsed.
Yes it has recently gone through major administrative re-organisation due to the “leaving” of Darren Bale. As his company was sacked I would not put much credence on any of his statements.
Secondly is WE actually placing money on Arbitrage betting?
Their strategy is to place money on the first 3 favourites in every race. Once you become a member you can access the results of these bets in the members home page. This is not available on the public web site.
Is there enough money in the exchange markets to make this a success. Well Cheltenham is starting this week so log in to Betfair and see the money being traded.
I guarantee there will be more than £1 million pounds traded on every race at this festival. So that is 7 million per day for four days making £28 million for only one race meeting with one exchange.
Even on minor meetings most races attract close on half a million quid in trades. Events like FA cup final and Grand National will trade over £5million so yes the market is there.
For those who state that bookmakers would go out of business then do you not understand that exchanges like Betfair are not like traditional bookmakers in that they do not put their own money at risk They merely provide a matching service for backers and layers and make their money by charging commission on winning bets.
Do WE just use new money coming in to pay its members?. Considering the majority of members take a monthly income from their accounts and WE have offices in Sheffield, Torrevieja, Javier in Spain and also Malta to run that would need a hell of a lot of new money coming in to pay their monthly outgoings.
I believe members payments are in the region of £300k per month.
Is your account just numbers on a spreadsheet. Well yes it is a spreadsheet and yes you can send me a spreadsheet giving me 100% per month. But would you be able to pay me 100% per month?
Winning Express put 2% on my account every month and that is what they pay every month. I have also asked for other capital withdrawals and received my latest one only yesterday.
People who call Arbitrage “nonsense” clearly have not tried it or have tried it and failed to understand how to make it work. Arbitrage is a part of every day lives and does exist in many forms.
Many companies make millions in Arbitrage every year so why not WE. Only difference is these companies pay profits to shareholders and WE pay profits to members.
WE also own racehorses, buy and sell racehorses for others, so they have connections in the industry which also gives them an advantage in making racing arbitrage work for them.
Why would WE have a pyramid scheme to attract new members? Well yes it is a pyramid scheme of sorts but what you need to understand is that WE runs as a members club and not as a normal company.
Many companies pay salesmen to recruit new business for them often on a commission basis. If you are a financial adviser for example and you sell a fund to someone you will be paid initial commission and also further commission for every year your customer holds the fund.
So this is ONE way WE recruits new members, it pays commissions to members who have introduced new business to the club. Not much difference is there? Also this scheme makes a lot of money for the WE as well.
Although commission can be paid 8 levels down this rarely happens. Many members have not introduced further members so the commission for many members is only paid for the first level and WE keeps the rest of the quarterly fee.
From the information I am privy to as a member and the experiences I have had since joining, I believe WE are a successful company making good profits from sporting events. Feel free to dismiss it if you wish but do yourself a favour and do some serious research before you write it off.
@Khibby
This undermines everything you wrote.
There is no excuse or justification for pyramid schemes in MLM.
So you’re claiming because it’s “members only” you don’t have to follow the law?
Muahahahahaha! Standard ponzi excuse.
I trade betfair for a living and heard the WE advert on the radio in spain so naturally i went along out of curiousity but with alarm bells already ringing.
At the time the website had a testimonial from a builder called Terry who had managed to retire from the building game off the back of his WE success. Unfortunately when i met poor Terry head office hadn’t bothered to forward him the script and he denied ever having been a builder.
It is possible to arb and there is software for joe everyman to do this (see rebel bet) although there are very few arbs daily and MUCH less when you factor in bookies immediate banning of arbers and serial winners.
Asian bookmakers and pinnacle bets are arb friendly but the asian bookmakers come with obvious risk and the number of pinnacle arbs available would not sustain a company of WE’s size.
It is also possible to have fully automated betting on betfair free of charge the first 1000 calls per hour to the API and 1p per request thereafter. However, betfair premium charge commissions start at 20k lifetime profit and go as high as 60% for people who are over 250k profit in their lifetime.
Betfair are extremely on the ball when it comes to people opening other accounts to get round this, some people have had relatives accounts closed and the monies withheld due to similar betting patterns.
Someone stated earlier that if WE were putting these amounts of money through betfair it would have been noticeable. Well, this is even more applicable when talking about any of betfairs competitors.
@K Chang
From the person who claims there is no such thing as Arbitrage in Sports betting you really are good at posting drivel.
Try looking at the law pertaining to “Illegal Pyramid schemes”. WE is not illegal but you wouldn’t know that because you have not done proper research either on WE or Arbitrage betting.
Like others on this thread I don’t understand your posts as they are without foundation or qualification.
So exactly who ownes winning express?
I am in my fifth our year with WE, both myself and my wife take our interest every month, the interest has gone down over the years, currently it is 1.9% a month plus a 6 month bonus of 0.1%.
Its very sad when I hear all these negative comments. You can now join with no subscription and a minimum investment. of £250 and maximum of £3000.
Give it a try and talk from experience.
I am a Winning Express member, but unlike the other WE members I can tell you the truth.
I put money into WE and due to circumstances have requested my money back, Its been over 60 Working days (45 Working days was in the contract) that is over 4 month and I still do not even have a date to get my money back.
All I am told is due to WE not having a bank account currently, I mean not having a bank account gives it away a bit, they cannot give me my money back.
DO NOT TOUCH THIS COMPANY. I am having to seek legal advice to sort out, no luck so far.
26th July 2016
I have been a winning Express member for some 2 years and like Robbie requested my capital and unpaid distributions back some 3 months ago as a result of the “updating” emails re the lack of a bank account.
The company still continues to advertise for new investors in the Spanish press, but cannot repay investors who have requested their capital back.
If a company fails to pay its liabilities as they fall due then this is an act of insolvency. They cannot pay us because not many people are now being drawn in at the top of the pyramid.
I agree Robbie’s comments – Do not touch this company
To all,
Stephen Kelly and Jeff Ansell did NOT exist – FACT! They were fictitious names used as a front – I would bet (I wouldn’t need to arbitrage it as it’s nailed on) that nobody on these forums or anybody ever met either of them in relation to Winning Express.
One person behind this – Graham Bradbury (google his name for more info, I first met him in the 90’s before he took up residence at Her Majesty’s Pleasure for a small matter of fraud) along with Darren Bate who had something like a 30% share in the business.
One word for it – PONZI!!!!!!!
I would think the various sports stars – think John Virgo, Steve Claridge, David Hirst – all have one thing in common which is agents or advisers giving them bad advice or, more likely, do not have agents.
Nick
I meant to say all of the sports stars who have championed it in its various guises (Virgo did so in the Cherries days along with a jockey whose name escapes me but he may have had the initials of SE).
Nick
Bradbury has used the money to fund a cottage and barn convention in Sheffield where his ex wife as used funds from Bradbury to do so.
Bradbury has bought cars and many other things with the funds he was last living at the cottage in Sheffield.
Bates was a front for Bradbury as Bradbury could not be involved in any such roll because of his past.
Last I heard Bates had taken funds from wining express without Bradbury knowing just before the bank account was shut. If you people want money back start looking in Sheffield.
Not true.
Graham Bradbury doesn’t live in Sheffield he used to live in Sheffield , but moved to Chesterfield a year ago.
Has anyone got there full money repaid after requesting it and if so how long did it take?
Rachel sincerely hope some people have had there funds back, but all pyramid schemes rely on the level below funding the upper levels and unless your at or near the top you will struggle to get all if anything back.
Not true, whitch part? The whereabouts of Bradbury or what’s happened to the funds?
Also it now seems that Bates is no longer a director of WE, but a director of some golfing ponzi a game funded by whom or what.
It’s like a scene out of catch me if you can. I’m sure there will be lots of comments now from happy paid up customers.
Like Derek and Robbie, I have been a member of WE for over two years, seen my money grow on paper by approx 2% a month but that´s it..
When it comes to the crunch of capital being withdrawn and repaid it just doesn’t exist..
Been trying for over 60 days now.. I dont think its in solvency, I think it´s daylight robbery..
My partner and I have money invested in Winning Express and have successfully withdrawn profits each month until 6 months ago. Now we are really worried about our capital.
We feel that we all need to get together to make any impact on claims through the Courts if necessary. Please contact me if you have any ideas how we can do this.
Milton Admin Ltd is a Company that was formed after Admin Solutions Ltd was dismissed due to various Administration abuses. The company was formed in November 2015 by James Percy who is contracted to run the I.T. For Milton Express Ltd.
I was offered the position of director in this company due to my experience in the financial world. Once I was on board James resigned due to the workload of his I.T. company.
For the past 8 months I have, like all Winning Express clients, been waiting for the new bank account to be opened.
During this period the girls who work in the Sheffield office and myself along with Denise who has been manning the La Zenia office have been given many excuses for why the new bank account was not yet open.
Recently, as was reported to clients in an update, the decision was made to channel the Arbitrage business through a Cayman Islands trust, after considerable expense, Graham Bradbury, who runs Milton Express Ltd decided to walk away from it, this caused more delays.
A number of clients got together to help in getting a new bank account open. This was successfully done a few weeks ago, again as reported by myself, to all clients.
It is now 4 weeks since the account was opened and still no funds have arrived. There have been many excuses made for this, but in my opinion, none of them are valid.
As a consequence of the failure to provide funding to clear the backlog and because Milton Admin Ltd have received no payments for services provided, I have no alternative but to announce to all, that Milton Admin Ltd will no longer act for Milton Express Ltd from today onwards.
Also with immediate effect Denise will no longer be responsible for the La Zenia office.
Any clients that require updates, need to contact Graham Bradbury, who is in sole charge of Milton Express Ltd and is the person who has continually failed to make funds available to clients.
His contact details are:
(Ozedit: contact details removed)
As a client myself, I have money in the Arbitrage fund and will be starting legal action against Mr Bradbury with immediate effect, as I believe this is the only way anyone has any chance of having their funds returned.
Regards,
John O’Brien
These people can not and will not get away with closing down this company and robbing many people.
I have just found out I wish I’d never heard of it. I’m devistated.
Tell everyone what they have done and remember their faces.
@Jan
Did you withdraw more than your capital? If so you’re note getting anything additional back.
Personal information is a no-no if it’s not publicly available. Ditto using multiple usernames and email addresses to comment.
Mr Graham Bradbury has ruined our lives through his evil scheme everybody who has been burnt by him should join together and see justice done.
Heartbroken is an understatement, it’s been nine months of hell not knowing as to what was really going on.
I can’t print what I would like to do to them!
With all due respect, if the quality of your life can be so drastically affected by a “sports arbitrage” scheme going inevitably bang, then you should really have a look in the mirror for the culprit.
You people have funded a lavish life style namely Graham Bradbury, Darren Bates, to mention just 2.
I would imagine that most of the money has now gone but it has bought assets as I have stated in a previous text namely the funding of and building works of Bradbury’s ex wife’s property in Sheffield.
If according to Gordon Turner, Bradbury’s ex wife’s current husband, I’m led to believe bradbury is in chesterfield but I would imagine this could be just to stop angry customers turning up in Sheffield. As soon as I locate Bradbury I will post his location.
If you have information on Bradbury then turn it into the authorities. Let’s not turn this review into a witch-hunt.
Quite rightly, this thread is primarily about providing a review on Winning Express , its services and structure. However, I hope the Administrator will accept these comments observations based on some recent research.
The final decision on whether or not this is a PONZI scheme is about to be tested it would seem as a result of John O’Brien’s subsequent email in which he proposes a “class action” and encourages all members to contact the Police Fraud office.
If enough people do so then this approach will ensure an investigation is instigated. My concern is why Mr O’Brien is suggesting this, as he has been involved with the promotion of Winning Express and Sporting Arbitrage since the beginning (circa 2010) and so presumably he knows Mr Bradbury of old, not just since he became a director of Milton Admin in 2015!
Is this another gamekeeper turning poacher similar to Darren Bates ?
At the moment, the only thing that hasnt happened, is that Mr Bradbury has not transferred the monies into the new bank account. Why this is taking so long no one has said, including Mr Bradbury or Mr O’Brien.
It may be these people have ‘stolen’ the members money based on fraudulent activities and their promotions over the years. If so and its deemed to be a Ponzi scheme, then I suspect all those closely involved will be getting their “collars felt”.
This is not a witch hunt it’s a ponzi, Bradbury will not pay any said funds as he doesn’t have the funds or the bank account to cover all the investors wanting money’s back.
If you read my previous it briefly explains where part of the funds have gone, as the admin says on here it is a police issue, without too much trouble I have found 2 possible address on line for Bradbury both in chesterfield, I’m not convinced that either addresses are correct.
I have found that Bradbury has links in County Durham, and Coventry as well as Sheffield. Bradbury has links to football in Coventry and that’s how he got to use Steve Claridge, who I’m sure got paid very well for his association funded by you lot!
If anyone can get bookmakers odds on Bradbury not paying everyone out then do so put every last penny on it it’s a sure thing.
O just one last thing who is John O’brian ?
Gavin, John Obrien is a director.
A director? As anyone seen him in person?
I am like many of you waiting for my Withdrawrals and I am so concerned the only thing is hope that keeps me going.
I did however get an email last night which I was very surprised over as it was from Bradbury saying that he is trying to resolve things and he is sorting it out with his lawyers.
Will not believe anything until monies hit my account but John o Brian is setting up meetings in spain and uk to answer questions!!!!
The reason I got an email is John o Brian sent all bradburys info, so thought I would try and email. All I put is please tell me what is going on I was very surprised to get a reply.
Gavin, all members of winning express can contact Mr Obrien as far as I am aware. He has indeed sent an email out today.
I do not know why he hasnt posted a copy of it to this forum following his initial post. Maybe he has a game plan or personal agenda.
Finally, are you a member ?
Yes acorn I am a member or like everyone else soon to be an ex member.
I have a very small investment with W/E – but my Lady partner (who Joined (at my suggestion) has a much larger sum invested.
We were assisted in the joining process by David and Catherine Colley, who split their time between Costa Blanca and U.K. – and it was substantially as a result of their apparent sincerity and honesty that we have believed throughout – ( until today) that the scheme was kosher.
I would very much like to hear from David Colley because, despite all the negative stuff being spread by several correspondents via these pages, I do feel that David, if he comes out into the open, will tell us precisely what the situation is.
Together with another investor we observed Ponzi supremo Bradbury enter his girlfriends (though from enqs some people think he is married), Susan Bink’s address last night – the Chesterfield address circulated to members by John O’Brien. We were joined by two other interested parties.
This address is rented not owned by Binks and the lady who owns the property is in no way involved. We then spent the next hour dealing with four police officers including a dog handler.
After explaining our purpose to the cops who suggested Action fraud or “Dom from off the telly” as a means to getting our hard earned back.
BUT they would put a report in – astonishingly rubbish particularly as I know for a fact that Bradbury and Binks will be off to foreign climes.
I will not, until I am convinced of their legitimacy, speak with either OBrien or Bate. My understanding is this Bate filched some money from an account – my and other investors money.
Bradbury blames Bate for the “issues”. OBrien blames Bradbury. Yet to hear from Bate but it already has the appearance of a Brian Rix farce without anyone being trouserless!
OBrien apparently is of good character and has impeccable financial credentials – I have asked him one question on an email and I have yet to receive an answer in essence “why would you involve yourself with a bankrupt who is banned from being a Company director?”
If I am satisfied then I will engage with him to try to move this forward.
As an update the police contacted us last night with an update to say that Bradbury has said that he is going to the FCA on Tuesday with his solicitor
My response was:-
Financial Conduct Authority meeting –
Graham “I’m the owner of a company called SA, or Milton Express or Winning Express”
FCA “WTF – you’re banned from doing that”
End of meeting!
I will update this site with what I think may be useful to others without disclosing everything for the attention of those involved in what is clearly a criminal offence of conspiracy to defraud!
I wish everyone involved all the best in getting at least some money back – for me and those around me we will continue to hound this man till we get the truth or our money back.
There are elderly people who put their life savings into this and trust me it is a scam!!
I wouldn’t have said this a week ago but as soon as I saw the name Bradbury and researched him there is absolutely no doubt whatsoever and I think we will do well to recover anything.
The person who introduced me Chris Miller – network co-ordinator – have I heard from him – NO.
What does that say to me – a lot really and with that thought I will say this the police say report it to Action Fraud – I would encourage everyone to do so but what the Police don’t like is having to keep turning up at addresses where this man is with angry investors outside – hence them trying to placate us with – he’s going to the FCA on Tuesday.
That means to me they will be on a plane on Monday!
As another side issue Bradbury allegedly tried to top himself recently by taking tablets – that intimates to me that there is a minimal amount of money left – I estimate from the investors I’ve spoken to that there has been between 25-50 million invested.
If there was 1 million left why would Ponzi supremo try and top himself!
Sorry to be the bearer of bad news to those of you like me who were fooled by frontmen like Steve Claridge and other past investors with their testimony! Unfortunately I suspect like me they were taken in!
Ponziman – Good update and my research confirms most of your points. Additionally I have heard that some members have had direct responses form Bradbury in the last 3 days. I am 90% sure He has visited his solicitors.
I too have been waiting on specific replies from O’Brien – what precisely are his accusations of Bradbury ? I certainly do think Bradbury is in trouble and will be spending time at HMP, hes clearly been the main person driving the business even though he has a court judgement against him since 17th september 2013 declaring him a bankrupt.
Smoke screen
disaster!! I was conned/ dupped by the winning express Ponzimen!!
I would have ran a mile away if I was told initially at my 1st personal enquiry with j.o b, or later, found out that graham Bradbury was involved, who was bankrupt and was not licensed to trade for 14 years or so from a former collapsed scheme, to the loss of investors money, of over half a million pounds!!
I was never informed at any time, or subsequently of his involvement in this business venture, and told It seems a legitimate investment business many times, with professional manned offices in Sheffield uk.and spain.
it also had lots of newspaper adverts, and radio adverts, a professional website, and a former London city finance consultant.
I was told many times by him it seems SECURE, I was very much misinformed and now feel devastated that this could be allowed to happen!!
how could someone with financial experise not realise this was a con???
I trusted this professional opinion and professional manner and feel so utterly bitter.
keep pushing these people,dogs and police, crazy .. they prey on us, has anyone a photo of graham Bradbury?? so everyone knows who he is and what he has done and what he was allowed …to do !! he should not be let leave the country.
I too am an investor in sporting arbitrage. I in turn introduced family and friends and between us we are set to loose out on a small fortune.
The facts as I understand them are that graham Bradbury has not put money, our money, into the bank account that was opened in August after the Mauritius bank account was closed earlier in the year.
Milton admin have received no payments from graham Bradbury, hence the resignation letter. John O’Brien is a director of Milton admin. We all are now locked out of the system.
I have met graham Bradbury several times, last September he headed a afternoon at the orihuela costa resort wher he pushed winning express / Milton express, he was accompanied by his girl friend Suzanne Binks.
Friends who have contacted graham Bradbury by email have received replies from him saying he is trying to resolve the issue and that John O’Brien was ill advised to put out his letter of resignation last monday.
It seems to me that the only solution to this is for graham Bradbury to put the money into the bank account that is now open and pay us all our money back. It’s our money not his!
He has locked us out of the website, the site that we all contribute to by paying £325 per quarter, presumably that money also pays towards the cost of running the admin company, Milton admin, he needs to pay them too, why should they work for nothing.
Graham Bradbury needs to act now if he has the money or come clean and communicate to all of his clients via info@ Milton-express.com, and get the website running.
Well looks like everyone is answering there own question here.
If Bradbury had the money he would have transferred it into the new account but as he No !!!! Mostly squandered on the life style he upholds I guess. Also Bates what about the funds he tuck ?
The most important thing to remember above all else is this is a crime of Fraud, and Theft. We ARE the Victims of Fraud. At the centre of it is Mr Graham Bradbury.
Everyone, and I mean everyone should report it to actionfraud.police.uk If you report the crime to the police directly, you will probably be referred to the action fraud website.
I have reported the fraud, and theft. You will receive a National Crime Reference Number, and a password so that when you acquire more information of the fraud, and theft, you can then go back into your report, and add to it.
After my latest add on to the initial report I submitted, I was prompted, to ask and tell any other victims of this fraud, to report it..
If everyone does this, then greater alarm bells will be ringing sooner, rather than later. So please do it, if you want to stop this mans actions indefinitely.
I hope you all take the time to act, it is important. Thanks.
Winning Express was heavily advertised here in Spain, including with this newspaper.
The above email address is confidential and contact will be in strict confidence – however, this is an attempt to discover what went wrong, the alleged scam, and the size of the problem. Best wishes, JACK.
all WE members should google graham bradbury and prepare to be horrified!
I thought that I was smart. I did all the checks available, spoke with people I respected and put some money into Winning Express.
I believed that I was investing in a legitimate company.
I have reported this as a Fraud by False Representation in that no trading of the money invested has been done.
AND
Fraud by Failing to Disclose information that that would have deterred me from investing my money. ie Graham Bradbury is a convicted Fraudster and a Bankrupt. This Bankruptcy related to Cherries Racing and Cherries Trading that was a similar scheme.
Action Fraud have had numerous calls and have taken my report to investigate.
South Yorkshire Police are reluctant to do so but an Inspector there Collette Fitzgibbons has 91 plus reports from W/E clients.
My advice is to report this to both Action Fraud and South Yorkshire Police.
Good luck
AB
Update.
South Yorkshire Police have been contacted by Action Fraud. There are 92 victims to date.
Collette Fitzgibbons is NOT the point of contact. The reports are with a Detective Inspector for allocation.
Report to Action fraud immediately.
AB
Bumped into Graham Bradbury in Spain last year me and my wife new him from our time living in Sheffield.
I said to my wife he will be over here selling timeshares didn’t no he was allowed to scam people again even we new he was bankrupt and he’s done time and done people out of money before.
Nasty man but there he was flash car leather coat on yes in Spain with a Barbie Doll sat next to him.
Hope he gets found. Last we new he was living in Oughtibridge near Sheffield.
His ex wife owns a shop there she needs checking out to she lives in the fast lane probably with other people’s money.
Susan Binks has now raised her head above the parapet. In an email from Milton admin.
She is telling a sympathy – seeking tale.She is counter – accusing J.o.B. of being complicit in the scam, while at the same time implying that GB is whiter than white.
I have emailed her back asking the one question we all want to know:-
WHERE IS THE MONEY?
the binks email is classic smokescreen – she has been with GB for many years – but apparently does not know he is an undischarged bankrupt!
she also appears to have some control over alleged payments, yet claims not to be an employee of WE – WHAT A COMPLETE CROCK!
Only second time on one of these. I was a Cherries member and I got nearly all my money back, Graham kept his word on that.
I was abroad when the manure hit the fan for winning express and I looked at all the comments and I find it hard to understand how people can really think a catastrophe of this size can all be down to one man.
I met with him the afternoon of his interview and he was not the person I’d known, he was in a state of shock. I didn’t join winning express because Im away a lot but I asked him to trade for me which he did and I always got paid
he showed me his notes he’d taken with him to his interview, he’d written them at his solicitors advise.
He was very much aware of the anger some will feel but he had no choice but to volunteer for interview after that mad email went out at the beginning of the month.
Im not alone in wondering what on earth Jon Obrien was thinking of. The fact it was sent very late at night tells me plenty.
From what Ive seen and had proved to me I think it only fair that people know of other peoples part in this mess. First things first, many people know that the admin team had to be replaced in December.
Or rather the owner and his girlfriend of the time. Darren bates was stealing massive amounts from the company. I saw enough from the info Graham gave the FCA and the police to realise were talking close on £2million
Bates was the ownly signatory on the account which was alarming enough but helped by Rachel Henshley he stole the number one position in the network and also created fraudulent arbitrage accounts in friend and family names.
They got away with it for so long because Graham was in morning for his son and Bates raped the system for 18 months before he was caught.
Some of you will wonder why Graham didn’t go to the police and Id agree but he says he thought that more damage would be done to the network and carrying on was his main concern
Milton express made all the payments in January that Bates company would normally make and that cause the issues with the MBC bank who closed there account the following month.
Im told he spent thousands of pounds trying to open another bank account but it proved difficult, almost impossible.
Two days after Obriens email that effectively finished the business he got an account finally but too late and he has passed all those details on during his interview.
That email alerted Bates to the fact his conduct would come under scrutiny and both Graham and his family have been threatened by a firm of thugs from Rotherham.
Now that the authorities are involved this affair sadly will go on for years and that’s NOT what he wanted and I know that for sure. There are a few guilty partys here and all the details have been handed over.
There was another grotesque twist to the tail and another couple of villains that you might wish to point fingers at. A character called Andrew Hosey offered Milton Express a temporay banking facility whilst new arrangements were made.
Basically he kept the money and owes about £150000. TONY PRATT offered to investigate – he’s an ex policeman. Hosey bribed Pratt with £10,000 and Pratt dropped the case! Pratt now is a self-appointed night in shining armour hosting meetings!!
Bates lives in Sheffield – question HIM!
Pratt lives in Stonewood Grove – question HIM!
Henshley lives in Sheffield – question HER!
Hosey has a company Valve Spares in Ormskirk – he stole form all of us too.
Pratt was part of the new team but the other members like O’Brien and someone called Skeeping kicked him out when they discovered what he’d done
As I say, graham has made mistakes but he’s been badly let down too
Well Yorky, without prejudice, it seems Graham Bradbury has confided in you to a great extent -sharing his notes he presented to his solicitor – amazing, hope his solicitor does’nt find out – oh yes thats Irwin Mitchell ‘s isnt it?
Were you a member or not a member of WE ? One minute you say you’re “away a lot” and the next you say you got him to trade for you and “you always got paid”.
This raises the question, “are you confirming that Graham traded on your behalf ?”
Think you’ve just dropped your friend in it, as we have learnt from this forum and public record Mr Bradbury has a court order against him and should not have been involved in any such activity .
You mention many large sums of money, that others have taken from Mr Bradbury, again, how is this possible? – he couldn’t be a director of a company or even ‘shadow’.
The money was placed with one of the company’s SA, WE, Thoroughbred by the members to be traded in “arbs” , horses etc. Was it Mr Bradbury’s money or not?
What you haven’t relayed to this forum, is how much money is left. A rough calculation suggests, that say 1500 members at an average £10k investment = £15million.
Assuming Mr Bradbury’s figures you reported are correct that should leave around £12.5 million less some operational costs possibly. (I doubt the investment amount would be less as many have put in larger sums.)
Whatever the final numbers, the principle issue your friend avoids mentioning, is how much he took out over the same period- assuming of course that he was “involved” in some way with WE & SA ……
Yorky, I really do think you should rename yourself Mr Bradbury the 2nd, can’t wait to hear Bernie’s reply , whats the betting it will be similar to the “Binks” email reply !
more excuses – half truths and probably shall we say economical with the truth. I guess we now have to leave the enquiries to the relevant authorities and just hope there is some finanicial comfort for all the investors at the end of this sorry affair.
my main question – to which I have been unable to get an answer – was did the company actually trade?
Getting interesting but there is only one question beyond all the bull here: Graham where is the money?
People’s will sell there debts here to people who are ruthless in there methods of retrieval and now that names and addresses are flying around it won’t be long the only address needed now is Bradbury’s. I believe he is in Spain.
Yes Bernie they traded in horse shit and Mercades Benz.
Guys please don’t post street addresses, thanks.
Reading these comments especially the one from Yorky Bradbury has been scamming people for years he was involved in doggy mortgages in the 80s had had his collar felt then he’d do his own grandmother.
We are in Javea will keep an eye out for him. As I said if you want to no where he his check his ex out who lives (removed) nr Sheffield her and her family have been using his Villa in Spain for there Holidays until very recently.
Bradbury’s ex wife has put the farm house that we all paid for the refurbishment of up for sale. she too would sell her family members by all accounts.
people who commit these types of crime will blame everyone else and have no moral compass.
Dear Mr. Bradbury all we want you to do is return every ones initial investment, forget the commissions to those who have some how earned it forget any profits we are all due to just return to us what we have put into it. That’s all we need!
Perhaps Yorky can help in this situation because as far as we are aware Mr. Bradbury had 2 chances to open a bank account and pay in money to these accounts BUT NEVER DID!!!
Be carful about Yorkie. He mat be Bradbury. He knows too much and is trying to deflect the blame elsewhere.
Hello there,
I am a journalist at Radio 4’s Moneybox programme looking into what has happened here.
If you lost money through this scheme, could you email me on (Ozedit: removed at request of author)?
Many thanks,
Ed
I also have money in the Thoroughbred Account. Nobody has mentioned this.
What about the poor oul horses, I.e. Winning express & express himself? Hope they’re being watered & fed eh?
I also have money in thourghbred and was told this came from a different bank account !! But nothing has been mentioned about this fund, does anyone know anything ?
What about Bradbury’s/Binks latest scam, “They Win You Win”, whose money has been used to fund that?
its been closed now apparently as they didn’t obtain a gambling license, guess who the previous winners were?………… yes you guessed it, friends of theirs.
All those who invested in the Thoroughbred, did you actually see any literature explaining the concept? this just seems like another idea Bradbury used to get new money in quickly.
I’ve not had time or inclination to come back to this site but amused to see I was called Bradbury2
Not true but I suspect Bates 2 Prat 2 and OBrien 2 are contributing although OBrien would only send his comments after a few drinks.
I simply told the truth as one of the very few people who have seen the evidence. Graham Bradburys son died and Bates took advantage by steling around £2million pounds over the next 18 months until he was caught FACT
he was helped by a member of staff Rachel Henshley FACT
That’s why eventually Milton lost there bank account which started all the problems. A temporary account was offered by Andy Hosey – he stole as well!!! About £150,000
Tony Pratt – ex copper and now private detective – offered to helpbut Hosey payed him off with a £10k bribe!!!! What a bunch of unpleaseant characters and what a can of worms
The eveidence that I and a handful of others have seen is now all with the police – another FACT – and will no doubt come out in the wash. It appears the instigagtors will be in for a shock as the investigation gathers force
Has anybody who has reported this scam to action fraud, heard back from them, is any action been taken or is Bradbury getting away with this like he got away with cherries?
In response to Yorkys “supportive” message of his friend Mr Bradbury. It is good to hear that you are in contact with Mr Graham Bradbury and able to update us.
You have stated that there are others involved and you have seen the facts to support your comments. Have you asked your friend Mr Graham Bradbury where all the other money is currently residing?
Because it should be considerably more than the sums of money you mention the others have ‘stolen’ ie from the Winning Express, Sporting Abbitrage, Thoroughbred
Rather than blame others ( and they may well be complicit) why dont you ask your friend to make a public statement about where the TENs of millions of pounds /Euros the members still have in the company’s are ? – that would be a FACT most people would welcome .
We look forward to you reporting back
I’m Guessing Yorky is Mr Bradbury. I no he gets a kick out of things like this.
Does anyone know what this piece of shit looks like so he can’t rip anyone else off.
Ide love to know so I can put his picture over the media and suzante binks.
if anyone does show it off on your social media and facebook twitter. Someone has to do something to stop them 2 doing it again.
I don’t understand why and how he can run a business involving money. Graham Bradbury and Suzanne binks need to go prison and lose all their assets aswell.
I tried getting on my account and I was stopped incorrect password. I got in any other time with the password.
I withdrew £2000 on 5th July 2016 for a dream holiday but no money came and also I couldn’t get in touch with the office in Sheffield. I smelt a rat then.
To be told we lose our money cus of greedy thieves who cant help themselves. I got told I wouldn’t lose any of my money so I invested win win win.
I’m told but we all know that was bull. People shouldn’t say it if it’s not right and never told of it being a pyramid investment.
I’m very angry with this as I invested all I had and to be told all is not lost, you still have your health.
I’m looking forward to getting some of my cash back but is it 60 days again lol joke.
old people have put upto 30 k in it to get a income and retirement but some one has stole the money.
Graham Bradbury was 11.5 million in debt and Suzanne binks gives away over £70.000 as a good will gesture.
It’is clear who has had the money and I personally have reported my fraud to the fraud squad.
I wonder if we will get any of our cash back that’s the the million dollar question and how long it will take to get out of the bank that has bin frozen by John o brian.
I don’t blame john for this I blame graham Bradbury and Suzanne binks as no one else has any power to get at any of the money.
Pure discussed by how low they can go.
I go back to what I said about job. He did freeze the bar account read it wrong sorry about that . But I’ve read most comments on here and not many know john o brian and Graham Bradbury also Suzanne binks.
This causes me great uncertainty. Can these people show themselfs so we can verify who we are talking to.
I contacted both email address with no reply but john has got back to me . I feel the lots gone and no one is getting nout back tbh.
As for graham Bradbury trying do himself in; try harder and take Suzanne with you when you do it.
unless people can positively provide prove who they are by pic so we can Google you .the only way you know who your talking to. every company has its board with pic’s of its staff.
as stated on here john knew graham from old? John has only recently found out about graham by the email I received from him.
I would love to know the thinking of opening it up again and trading again as 1 question. What money do you use to bet you have no money so how can you bet and if you have money why haven’t we got it back?
these scum bags who have robbed us of our money don’t have a heart. A lot of damp has bin done and I know every action has a reaction.
it’s ok going to the police graham being scared for your life but you did have our money fella so you deserve what you get in my eyes.
all the people involved in this john, Graham, Suzanne binks let’s see who you are so we know who we are talking to. It won’t happen thou.
John o brian didn’t freeze the accounts got my wires crossed there
There is a picture of Bates Bradbury Binks on bates facebook ac in photos there sat on the back of a horse and carafe be quick befor bates shuts the ax down Bradbury is middle left.
Too late gavin it’s gone
Just proves everyone is reading this forum.
Yorky you seem to be blaming others but it was Bradbury in control, all we need to know is where is the money and when will clients get their money back?
It’s easy to blame others but Bradbury had control, bates was admin as was O’Brien.
We are all victims of Bradbury’s scam, he set it up, he banked the money, he hired bates to do admin, then O’Brien to do admin.
Maybe bates has taken money when he ran admin but 2 million, what about the other thirty million or so?
There never seemed to be a lot of money in the pot when O’Brien was running admin, maybe that’s why he blew the whistle, as he said he could not pay the staff or office bills and was sick of making excuses for lack of funds and sick of Bradbury’s antics.
All Bradbury has done is blame others for his bad management of clients money, did he actually trade with the money or was it all a Ponzi scheme? Only he knows that.
Let’s hope the truth comes out soon and he has been to the police but he certainly has not come across as someone with integrity, acting the victim and blaming everyone but himself and now using you yorky to defend him!
What a scam, I to have contacted the action fraud group. All the information we have is the same as all the people.
Where do we turn to, I,m thinking of giving this story to the press. These people need to be brought to justice. It’s totally ruined our lives, put families at war.
i was told by martyn benton who tricked me into this that we would get a 3rd of our money quickly then what ever later on.
job said to me the other day its not right and no one knows where the money is only graham bradbury. there about 9.7 million so graham bradbury say nut as i was told last night job isn,t sure if we will get any back and also when .
i have been lied to martyn benton and so will many others in the stoke on trent area. if you have bin told the same as me and my friend its bs pure lies.
john o brian confirmed to me the truth about the matter now i know im going be lucky to see anything back so dont hold your breath.
them in kidsgrove are and stoke on trent if you want the truth ask john o brian. dont ask martyn benton cus you will get bs off him.
i was told by martyn that i can probley kiss £3000 goodbye out of my £5000 plus but dont worry,i still have my health. his remarks to me.
I just want to make people aware that Graham Bradbury died of a heart attack two days ago in Spain.
Wow, he pulled a Skase.
More like a Reginald Perrin.
The question is who has access to the money? Susan Binks must know where it is, maybe she has it?
Graham Bradbury is dead lol I hope he died a painful death and slow.
He was a thief and liar also lived off our money and no doubt his family. Time to strip his son of all his inheritance. They have no idea of what damage graham Bradbury has caused.
I don’t feel sorry for any of them as pensioners have been robbed and the rest of us have.
I personally think it’s too suss he dies and now only susan binks knows where the money is or does she?
I hope we all see justice on this matter and tbh I don’t see a good outcome .
If u want to no where a lot of the money is look no further than his ex wife.
As for him being dead, I’d want to see the death certificate. I wouldn’t put it past him faking his own death.
It will make a great movie!
This is the script…. A Mr Cheetah sets up Cherries to to raise some staking money.
Then comes Winning Express the big ” Hustle” advertises it in Spain, bigger then the 80s timeshare. A tempting reward for investors so we all join from 2010 to 2015.
Mr. Cheetah lives it up with his wife and a mistress and looks after his family. Holidays all over the world with our money.
End of 2015 decides to slow payments to investors and payments become elusive a bit like him. Banks they say are the problem, they cannot open an account.
Summer 2016 an insider feels things are not right, the light bulb finally goes on but better late than never!
Late summer 2016 the whole scam is blown wide open. Some members contact the police and fraud.
The perpetrators know time is of the essence but Mr. Plod as usual is slow so not that worried.
A committee of the members is set up to try and recover some funds.
Late 2016 Mr. Cheetah suddenly dies.
End of 2016 a solicitor is hired to try and recover the “missing millions”.
Move to early 2017 and police and the fraud squad finally look into the scam.
The middle of 2017 the fraud department find that a fraud took place but do not find anyone alive to prosecute and find no trace of any monies.
Towards the end of 2017 the solicitor working on behalf of the members finds that as police and fraud find no monies anywhere he states that there is nothing more he can do
By Christmas 2017 the working committee is disbanded.
Early 2018 somewhere in Mexico, picture the scene at the end of ” the Shawshank Redemption ” all the perpetrators are on that beach sipping their favourite drink knowing they got away with millions and no-one is any wiser and no-one is chasing them, is Mr. Cheetah one of them?
THE END
all names have been changed to protect the…….?
All sounds like another extravagant ponzi, weather Bradbury is dead or not it all points to binks now as presumably she would have access to any funds left.
As for any of Bradbury’s family and so called friends I would say that they all benefited handsomely without cost by means of property and well being Bradbury made to look good and charitable using other people’s money.
Makes me wonder how they are funding it all now and who will bail them out when things hit the fan. Anyone know when and where the funeral is?
Like many others I was introduced into this fraud as an unbelievable chance to make some money on my savings.
I was assured it was bona fide and on paper interest was accruing. Of course this was just on paper, it has never paid me out and I do not believe it ever will.
There must be many other dupes who will only believe this Con Man Bradbury is dead when we see the body.
He died of natural causes, heart attack.
He told everyone that if anything happened to him to contact EMMA DIGBY, his solicitor at Bell and Buxton Sheffield. Apparently she is the only one that’s knows the traders, where they are and how much money they hold!!
Other than that look for Julie BRADBURY she has had a good deal of the money to build her home etc!!
The only way you will get money out of Julie Bradbury is if you could make her sell the property and cars that Graham Bradbury bought for her but seeing that she never has hard cash and owes money most if not most of the time this seems unlikely.
As for the solicitor I doubt very much that she knows as to the whereabouts of any funds as Bradbury recently moved it all around, Binks is the one to chase. Bates should be investigated.
There is a touching photo of Bradbury the week befor his death with his son mason on the holy grail of facebook (see mason Bradbury) Graham is the the bald one in the hospital gown. Is Graham really dead?
Well make her sell them!!!
Binks is a victim she is owed 70.000 plus, ask o’Brien he knows the position.
Ask o’brian I believe him to be as thick as two short planks, why do you think he was picked for the job.
And Binks has the house and pool in Spain along with any banking details.
Henry!!!!
Funny name for a girl hey Ms Binks, shouldn’t you be grieving?
I was told by someone who lost a lot of money in Cherries that Graham was dead and of a heart attack.
However over the last 2 years Graham was paying the two men back large amounts of money, they were owed close to £1m from Cherries and had a couple of hundred K back.
I would be adamant that Graham was paying back people from Cherries with money coming into Winning Express as he stopped paying out 2/3 months ago.
Graham also confided in one that Darren had stolen near 750K from Winning Express and that he gave all the evidence to one of the two, so I suspect that Darren may get his collar felt soon !
Graham tried to kill himself 3 weeks ago when his scam was well and truly blown.
It was his Gf Sue who broke the news to these 2 guys that Graham was dead, no notice on BD&M. It would not surprise me if he tried to fake his own death to get out of all this.
But he was mixed up with some well dodgy people and he had been scamming people for years with Cherries and then Winning Express.
People will look for their money but from paying off debts, paying football clubs and function places, for racehorses and boxes at meetings, you’ll find the money ran out some time ago! The pot was empty. What happened with Cherries will happen again here.
Graham Gradbury was a scam artist, nothing more nothing less, whether he is dead of not, people wont get a penny back, that much I’m sure.
Both the racehorses were sold one in July when the trainer hadn’t been getting paid. This was a huge Ponzi, I just feel sorry for those who Bradbury roped in a second time.
As written by Henry on here on about emma Digby having all the paperwork on accounts on winning express. It’s not true as I’ve spoke to emma myself.
She knows nothing about it so don’t waste your time contacting emma as she knows nout about it folks.
She’s just a solicitor folks who works at the named solicitors. They have nothing to do with the winning express accounts, darren.
Any news of a funeral yet?
A question for Gavin, are you a client of winning express?
You call o’brien as thick as two short planks, yet he blew the whistle, what have you done?
Gavin you seem to know a lot, why did you not spill the beans earlier?
Question for costa Blanca girl , you also seem to know a lot why didn’t you spill the beans earlier?
It’s not rocket science is it, top financial man gets set on to sort things out but can’t spot a simple ponzi.
Has anyone seen the body yet?
I’ve been told that his son and ex wife are keeping things very secret. (even his girlfriend has been pushed out)
What about his sons inheritance!!!
no doubt he will be claiming that!
@Gavin
I still have no evidence that it’s a simple ponzi, what evidence do you have?
I met Bradbury on three occasions, it all seemed very plausible.
What do you know, it could help, we are all in this together, pointless fighting and name calling, we are trying to get to the bottom of this, any information, real evidence, could help?
The last thing we need is speculation and muddying the waters, now that Bradbury has gone we could work together and sort this mess out.
Spill the beans, if you know something that would be useful then tell!
If not then…………
You are not going to get any evidence from the outside. Remember, Bernie Madoff hid his billion dollar ponzi for decades.
The way you identify a ponzi scheme is you look for how much money goes in and how much comes back out, and whether they way they claim how the the extra money was made makes any sense.
As you don’t have access to how much money went in and how much came out, you have to look at that promises: put money in, “average of 2% per month”. That’s in investment. But you make $$$ by recruiting additional people. And you’re making like 30% from recruiting. So you know the emphasis is on recruiting, not “passive” income.
So this is not a simple Ponzi. This is closer to the pyramid scheme based on the amount of recruiting “commission” given out.
The amount of effort to obfuscate the ownership like incorporation in Seychelles and hire a company to administer” the company from UK is obviously an attempt to obfuscate ownership. So this may not be a Ponzi, but it’s ssigns of a scam nonetheless.
Any other questions?
@K.chang
Thank you for that,
I am just an average client and had no idea when I signed up in 2011 that it was a pyramid scheme. It was not till later on that the recruiting part was added.
Somebody says the saw him in Benidorm last Week.
@Tim
I thought he was dead!
@Tim
He is dead!
Costa Blanca girl how do you know Bradbury is dead?
I live in Spain and made some enquiries last night. he has been living in Benidorm and no one as heard anything about his death over here!
@Darren
You posted he was dead, what evidence did you have? Why do you think he might not be dead?
Maybe your a different Darren.
Thought so tim.
I think its too suss tbh too easy. I would like see the body of the scum bag.
if we don’t pay anything do we get our money back from the fighting fund? I have asked john o brian this question no answer.
I don’t believe their is any money left for us and personally I’m going seek advice from my solicitor so before any one gives any money to the fighting fund check with a solicitor first as it could be part 2 of the scam.
Costa blanc girl I’m just like you who has lost his money. I’m very unhappy about it I’m from stoke on trent.
@Darren
John o brien sent out answers to all the questions that have been asked in an update to all clients, received mine on Thursday.
Better that we take a group action than all use different solicitors to fight our cause, and cheaper. Can’t help but think that if the police did their job we might not need a solicitor.
Any bodies guess if there is any money but if we don’t try then we won’t have a chance.
I don’t see the action group getting any thing back tbh I can’t give anything and on the same note the action group can’t pay them 1st who have donated money as it comes down to equal rights .
I read all your coments on here as I said before I new Bradbury years ago I’ve been living in Spain not far from Benidorm and it’s just seemed to have hit people over here rumours are that he was involved with the Russian Mafia that operate over here!
Still no information on his death but his Girlfriend has been seen over here in the last couple of weeks if I find anymore info out I will post it.
I’d be very surprised if he’s not on board a yacht with Sir Philip Green! Anybody seen his ex wife?
Well after reading the BBC report it doesn’t look like there’s any doubt that he is dead.
bbc.com/news/uk-england-38184990
What BBC report?
Winning Express was featured on the BBC radio yesterday’s money programme, if you missed it you can probably catch it again on the internet or just google Winning Express and a rough transcript is there to read.
I’ve been told that the funeral is tomorrow at 10.30 am is anyone going?
Missed that one Trudie, where was it ??
Darren you seem to be trying to put people off participating in the fighting fund.
Contrary to your statement, all questions have been answered by the committee via the fighting fund mail box and the regular updates sent out by the committee. With over 1000 members it is impossible to answer everyone individually.
You also state that the fighting fund is part 2 of the scam. How dare you make this insinuation and try to remove the best chance the members have of getting their money back.
What good would it do for each member to go to a solicitor and ask if the fighting fund is a scam. Have you got something to fear “Darren” from the fighting fund?
Nobody has anything to fear from any fighting funds i suspect. Whatever gives you comfort i guess.
**i posted saying WE was a scam before it was revealed so i am obviously not connected **
Well done BAGSHAW, I wish we all had your insight! Where did you get your 20/20 vision?
I’ve lost over 5 grand khibby in this. I also paid July’s monthly payment of 2016.
The reason I am not convinced about getting money back is down to 1 reason. The money’s gone only susan binks Bradbury bates and Bradburys x wife know where the money is. Job isn,t a 100% sure and doesn’t know where the money is.
After losing my money I’m very iffy on giving more away for no money. Like job has said it’s not a garentey we will get any back. And tbh I’ve never seen job in my life or a pic of any one involved in this. I get emails like you.
@Darren
You may not have seen JOB but many people have including me. He hosted the meeting in Spain attended by over 400 members.
He is on the committee and is working tirelessly with the other committee members who are giving up their free (without recompense)time to get things moving.
The best way to have any chance of getting any money back is to support the fighting fund as strength in numbers will reduce costs and give us more clout once the process begins which will be very soon.
A good place to start would be Bate ( 1.5 million stolen).
Andy Hosie 140 k stolen!
Rachel henchely 100 k stolen.
Tony Pratt 10k stolen.
his ex wife luxury barn conversion, it’s all clients money !!!
Reading the comments as anyone found out If Graham Bradbury as had his funeral or could he be having his Christmas dinner in Spain not much info on his Funeral!
I’m not sure think all you people who lost money need to make sure he’s still not around!
Difficult to say if he is dead or not. I met him, his ex-wife, Bate and Rachel.
Steve Kelly and Jeff Ansell did not exist and neither did the arbitrage trading system: it was purely a ponzi.
GB was a very plausible character but totally and utterly bent. Dead? I would have my doubts on that.
Nick are you saying you met him after his reported death in early November or are you just name dropping here?
Trudie seems to have been informed of his funeral on the 8th of December but she is not giving out any further information on where it was.
Again is this just pure gossip, it would help if post’s only contained pure FACTS and not fiction.
Come on Trudie give us the burial details. Once again I will refer to the BBC investigation and subsequent report in which the foreign office confirmed that the Bradbury was dead.
He is dead but no funeral till Jan or possibly Feb his body is having tests carried out.
bwahahaha^^
this is a new one! ponzi ‘death’ – followed by months of cadaver ‘testing’! this is so bloody coool!!
what virus did he catch his ‘death’ by? if it was the steal&scoot virus, tell the cadaver testers it’s an old ponzi virus, but they can cut up bradbury just for fun!! 🙂
AGM, not name-dropping but merely stating the fact that I met GB, his ex-wife and various other principal characters in this venture.
As I stated, Ansell and Kelly did NOT exist: FACT. Is GB dead? I don’t know but Livingston (the Seaton Carew canoeist) comes to mind. I was offered a position in WE when it first launched but could see it was unsustainable – possible to make money on sports arbitrage but not big amounts.
Although GB was the chief culprit here, some blame must be attached to the likes of Neil Ryder whose gullibility and greed allowed him to be conned and encouraged him to repeat the con.
We have all heard the “if it’s too good to be true…….” but I note the modern day con man uses this phrase as part of the con. Those who were gullible enough to “invest” will, undoubtedly, never see the colour of their money.
In finishing, I would say that GB has caused some grief to a lot of innocent (or not worldly wise) people but he was a complex character: held sociable views, did not respect the Establishment and very generous and funny but there again he was probably always spending other people’s money and that may have amused him.
I meant socialist views – this predictive text is a nuisance. I should have added that when I heard of GB’s death I told a friend who had known him for a long time and he instantly shot back at me: “He is not dead.”
Not my fight as I don’t have money tied up but, if I did, I would want demonstrable evidence that he is dead.
There are companies who will undertake this work: if you want to effect such an investigation but don’t know where to start (also assuming you have a chunk of money involved in this matter) your first port of call is to ask your local solicitor who will refer you to such companies – in this day and age it is almost impossible not to leave an electronic footprint.
Strangely enough, I am currently listening to a programme on Five Live that is suggesting that the body identified as Saddam Hussein may have been a double! Strange.
It should also be noted that even in the most unusual cases of death which may be followed by a post mortem, the funeral is only delayed by about two to four weeks.
Accordingly, if GB’s funeral has not yet occurred that strikes me as being very unusual.
Alternatively, your local MP should be another source of help and should be able to confirm GB’s death by referring to respective government departments.
Reading your comments Nick you sound uncannily like his ex wife
Do I?
I’ve just been informed that the funeral was last Friday, arranged by his son. Anyone know anything about this ??
He was Cremated at Hutcliffe Wood Crematorium on 06/01/17.
@Brian Rix
Did you attend and can we be 100% sure it was graham Bradbury and did Suzanne Binks attend?
So it’s clear now either pay £100 or lose everything and it’s not certain that you will get anything back.
Mr o brian told me in a email all money will be shared out evenly even if I didn’t put any money in. Why can’t Mr o brian show us a pic of him self?
I’ve lost £5400 in this and not willing to give any more as I don’t have it. It’s all lies folks so be very careful of John o brian as he changes it as it suits him.
I’m not happy with j o brian and his lies. The £100 is a down payment aswell and you could pay more to get nothing back.
Darren here is a few facts for you. – at the moment you / we / us / them and I have lost everything that we have put in, JOB has given it to you straight he has not lied to you.
We may get a good whack back but we may get very little or even nothing back but the point is the more people who donate to the fund the stronger the chance everyone has of re-cooping their money.
Would you prefer JOB caressed your little hand lied to you and told you not to worry everything is going to be all right pet, just remember that there are some very frightened people out there who thought that they were very smart but who now realise that they were very foolish and that their criminal actions are about to be exposed by the best legal and investigative minds that money can buy.
Fact – the fighting fund money is not being handled by JOB, fact – so far the extremely hard and tedious work done by JOB and the committee is open, honest, fair, factual and accountable for all to see, what more can you ask for at this stage than that.
If you genuinely and honestly cant afford to contribute £100 then that is fair enough but please stop writing inaccurate facts, accusations, falsehoods & negativity, leave that to the Trojan Horses of the world, (that’s a point worth discussing further). P.S. Why can’t you show us all a pic of you.
AGM why was I sent a email off job saying all money will be shared out evenly even if I didn’t put in the action fund? I have the email on my fone.
People beware of j o b and I’m iffy about you AGM are you in on it? (Ozedit: Offtopic derail attempts removed)
Darren we have all lost a lot of money. If we don’t do anything then we won’t get anything back, if we all contribute then we might have a chance.
Did you read the email properly from John O’Brien because the money is paid directly into the solicitors account, not into John O’Brien s account.
What will it prove by putting any pictures on here, not that it’s possible, so stop saying ridiculous things that have no relevance.
John O’Brien did not take your money, graham Bradbury took your money. Stop being a p…k and get real!
J.OB,was still taking in people’s money when he knew that there was a problem!!!! FACT!!!!
J.OB was earning fortunes in commissions even though he thought the company was a scam…….2 years ago….FACT!!!
J.OB stood to earn 80k a year to take over directorship of the company when it went so wrong, and expenses ie flat in Sheffield. …FACT!!!!
J.OB is not to be trusted FACT!!!
Where do you get your inside information from Trudie? You are beginning to sound like the email graham Bradbury sent out under Suzanne Binks name in October of last year.
We all knew it was just a load of lies and what you have just stated as facts do not add up at all.
Why would O’Brien blow the whistle if he was onto such a good thing. Can you prove any of your facts?
Did O’Brien get a flat, expenses and 80k, did he even get his commissions?
Why did he continue for two years if he thought it was a scam, why not blow the whistle earlier?
Why is he still working not just for his own clients but all the clients to get some justice and for no renumeration?
Why can he not be trusted?
Where are all the other people that did recruiting for graham, Darren, chris, lots of others who I don’t even know about?
Where is Darren bates in all of this, what is he doing to help?
Where is Suzanne Binks in all of this, has she shed any light on where the money is? Are they helping get any justice.
What has O’Brien to gain from doing this?
The solicitor is taking the money not the committee, you need to clarify and justify your statements Trudie!
CBG If you analyse Trudie’s posts you will realise that she only comes on the scene soon after GB’s death.
Her posts are all probing posts asking questions in order to try and gain information from third party people, as she says about herself on the 19th Nov she has been frozen out.
She knows very little about what is happening she is climbing the walls in desperation for some information, writing on the 4th Dec she is shocked at finding out about a BBC report which may eventually implicate her.
On the 7th Dec she is again probing for info on the funeral – a stab in the dark on this one. 24th Dec she blames everyone except herself and she gives some very specific information.
9th Jan another info probe – she has obviously heard some whispers. 2nd Feb another blame game and containing more specific information that only someone close to GB & WE might know.
I will leave you all to come to your own conclusions on what I have just wrote.
You are spot on with your last reply – where are all the Bradbury’s hiding, i.e. his wife and his son and the others.
They have no interest in helping or clearing GB’s name they are no doubt too busy pillaging the remaining funds and trying to cover their tracks in order to avoid some lengthy Porridge but they are not clever enough to get away with.
My advice to all those who have dipped their fingers in the till is – be afraid be very afraid – the noose is beginning to tighten around your necks.
Thanks AGM I think we have come to the same conclusion on Trudie, she is doing a graham Bradbury when he was yorky!
Anybody who is still trying to muddy the water and blame anyone else other than Bradbury and his little clan can only have something to hide.
And of course an anagram of Trudie is True ID or in this case Untrue ID.
@AGM
it’s all gone very quiet except for you and me!
We have had a couple of friends over from Oughtibridge a village near Sheffield who informed me that Bradbury was cremated a couple of weeks ago.
The thing that they thought was strange that none of his family only his son attended the Funeral.
Also his ex wife has her converted barn up for sale at 1.5 Million plus her villa in Spain is up for sale to but she’s still got her businees Julie Bradbuys designs in Oughtibridge. Strange that she’s selling all her assets quickly.
Tim, not surprised that GB’s ex-wife not at the funeral – she will be savvy enough to know that such events present the opportunity of people who “invested” in WE confronting her.
Also, if (repeat, if) her houses have been funded by ill-gotten gains she will want to liquidate them and put some distance between the cash and the Assets Recovery Agency. Her business may not have any fixed assets so less of a problem.
Darren why are you still wanting a pic of JOB. I replied to your previous post informing you he hosted the initial meeting in Spain where 400 people were present.
You keep trying to put people off joining the fighting fund so whats your problem. Have you got something to fear? Is your second name Bate perhaps?
If you are unsure how retrieved money will be returned why don’t you read the constitution which you would have been sent if you are really an investor.
By the way many investors would be in the same position as you claim to be but have joined the fighting fund. The majority of members have now joined up and paid their contributions. So why don’t you get on board and quit whining.
The net is closing in.
Khibby, Darren is either another Trojan horse or he is a sandwich short of a picnic.
The choice presented to him is to either pay £100 or go with his own private solicitor (Darren has never told us what was the outcome of seeking advice from his own solicitor). which would cost many times more than what he has invested or walk away and forget about the money that he has lost.
If you are a genuine investor then it’s a no brainer of a choice.
If you’re not a genuine investor and possibly have something to hide then you try and deflect people’s attention from the only choice available to them by constantly casting doubt on the only sensible option open to investors, strength in numbers.
Tim you were obviously not an investor in WE but you and GB seem to go back a long way, why do you keep posting old non informative facts on this site?
Facts that everyone is already aware of and you constantly point the finger at JB as if you were trying to place all the blame on her and away from other culprits.
Every genuine investor already has a good inside knowledge of not only her part in this scam but also the other main culprits who have acted dishonerably.
It was first confirmed on this site on 4th Dec that GB was dead but on 25th Dec you cast doubt on the FO statement. The date of his cremation was also confirmed on this site on 23rd Jan and a quick check confirms this to be true. We have also known from this site that the barn was up for sale way back in 7th October.
To me your posts are like Trudie’s, probing for information like you have been locked out of the inner circle. You have made no useful contribution to this site from you first post to your latest post.
Khibby the net is certainly closing in and the noose is beginning to tighten. These people are not clever enough to get away with this, they only think that they are.
For the outcome AGM I was advused not to put good money into bad. That was off a friend who us a solicitor.
The chance sre it’s gone so except it as that money is far gone. I’m also currently out if work so I can’t afford £100 folks.
I’m also advised not to put another penny into it to W E. I do have facebook so check me out. Darren richardson not Mr bates or a trojan horse.
Darren all that I can say is i refer you back to the last paragraph of my post on Feb 1st, if you genuinely can’t afford £100 then i emphasise with your situation and also the many others who may have found themselves in a similar predicament but this is a genuine attempt to hunt the money down and flush the culprits out.
You should have been able to fathom this out for youself after reading the regular emails from the committee, this is not part 2 of the scam.
I wish you the best of luck in resolving your problems and situation and hope that lady luck shines on you in the very near future.
CBG you’re correct it has went quiet.
Darren bate can be found in any betting shop on hillsborough Sheffield every day betting thousands and thousands if anyone is still looking for him?