Traffic Monsoon investor claims he can put Scoville away “for life”
In the aftermath of the preliminary injunction granted against Traffic Monsoon and owner Charles Scoville, donations to Scoville’s legal fund appear to have tanked.
As per the “Scoville Legal Defense Fund” website, $1520 has been donated as of March 31, 2017.
Legal costs for February, 2017 were $4840. Legal costs for March have not been disclosed.
Evidently Scoville and his mother have been doing the rounds on Facebook, pressuring top Traffic Monsoon investors to ramp up donation collection efforts.
This didn’t sit well with Sunil Patel, which purportedly prompted Scoville to “cross the line” on a private Traffic Monsoon WhatsApp group.
In an audio clip that surfaced yesterday, Patel (right) doesn’t go into specific details of what Scoville allegedly posted.
[00:30] I was deeply insulted by what Charles wrote earlier. It really, really, really, really hurt me.
He does however suggest Scoville might have taken a dig at Patel’s efforts to collect affidavits from Traffic Monsoon investors in the wake of the SEC’s complaint.
[00:37] The affidavits were useful. Every person who done a notarized affidavit could go to prison for perjury for doing that, right?
[11:50] You’ve put this message in the WhatsApp group today and you’ve just ruined our whole relationship, Charles.
You have ruined our relationship because I can’t come back from that type of hatred you put in there.
The affidavits, the Revolution Day, about me eating ice cream on the beach… you’ve disrespected me now Charles. You’ve stepped over the mark.
[14:09] Your message that you put in the leader’s WhatsApp group, I can’t forgive you for that.
The primary reason Scoville derided Patel appears to be related to his lack of enthusiasm to solicit donations for Scoville’s defense fund.
[00:58] I didn’t reply to Charles’ message in his group, but now it’s four o’clock in the morning and Charles is messaging me saying, “Sunil I need your help, can you get some donations going? You’ve got a big following, why don’t you do something? blahblahblahblahblah”.
[4:48] You insulted me with that message earlier Charles, right? And you said, “Oh you know you’ve got all the people saying “like”, “unity”, “you’ve got all the people together but you’re not … helping with the funding”.
[01:25] From the beginning I have hated doing everything else I’ve done for TM, but I’ve hated collecting donations.
The main reason I don’t like collecting donations is because everyone has lost enough money.
Patel also claims he didn’t approve posts from Scoville and his mother soliciting donations in his Traffic Monsoon Facebook group.
The narrative pushed by Scoville to solicit donations is that if Traffic Monsoon wins the SEC case, ROI payouts will resume. This despite forensic accounting revealing seized funds are nowhere near enough to pay out Traffic Monsoon investors.
As a Traffic Monsoon insider, this appears to have ground on Patel’s conscience – because he believes Scoville isn’t as broke as he makes out to be.
[01:40] I do not like the relationship between Charles and Immy.
Next to Scoville, Imtiaz “Immy” Aslam is believed to be the second largest net-winner in Traffic Monsoon. Aslam disappeared from the public eye shortly after the SEC shut Traffic Monsoon down.
[01:46] No matter what you say Charles, to me right?
You say “Immy’s deserted me”, this and that yeah? But then you put a message in this group that you went to the cinema with Immy in Manchester.
So when you went to the cinema in Manchester with Immy, what did you talk about?
You must have talked about your money problems.
I know everyone says Immy’s not on social media. Why is Immy donating quietly and not telling no one that he’s donating? What’s the reason for that?
See I’m just confused. I am confused yeah?
The way I see things and it could be true, it might not be true, Immy is hiding money for Charles.
Right? That’s what could be going on here. Immy could be hiding money for Charles and that’s why Immy’s gone quiet and he’s hiding. And he’s still donating and not letting everybody know.
That’s why I have not donated. I have not raised donations for people and I have not pushed people to get money from people, because they’ve suffered enough.
[06:06] You (Scoville) bought a fucking Porsche, you went and bought a house in Manchester.
When PayPal (funds) got frozen, you went and changed religion and got married. When we were suffering.
[06:50] I deliberately borrowed sixty-five thousand pounds cash to my team.
Another thirty thousand pound, ninety-five thousand pounds I gave to my team and deliberately made videos showing money wires.
And then I got telephone calls and I got ten million pounds put back into Traffic Monsoon to save this fucking company.
Ten million pounds of what the SEC got is what I brought into the company and you’re asking me to go and raise donations?
The preliminary injunction also appears to have raised questions among Traffic Monsoon’s top investors, prompting Patel to question the mathematics behind a Ponzi scheme.
Scoville seems to have told investors secret “algorithms” enabled him to pay investors more than was invested. In light of the SEC’s forensic accounting revelations however, that’s not cutting it anymore.
[02:53] You (Scoville) know more than anybody, 95% of Ad Pack sales were from Ad Packs. Financially, 99% of money was coming from Ad Packs and only 1%, financially, was coming from other services – which was a whole lot of bullshit.
If I knew that 99% of financial sales were coming from Ad Packs, I would not have brought a big team into Traffic Monsoon.
And I wouldn’t have put my heart and soul into this business. I wouldn’t have touched it with a barge pole.
Right? That’s the truth here. Let’s not beat around the bush here, right?
Charles, you think turnover is everything in this business. That’s the way I see it, turnover, turnover, turnover, turnover.
These algorithms, I don’t know what algorithms you’re talking about.
This business is dangerous for the future, it can’t sustain itself.
Every Ad Pack somebody buys, it’s like you go to Starbucks. If you buy a one pound coffee and you leave the door and Starbucks gives you one pound ten back, how can Starbucks survive?
And you keep saying algorithms, algorithms, algorithms, where are these algorithms? Tell me!
Things get heated about half way through the recording, with Patel claiming
[07:24] Charles, I have so much information on you, you will be going to jail for life.
You can go to jail for life for what I know.
I fucking know that Traffic Monsoon dot plus, that was brought into the scene so you could fucking put 1.2 million pounds into a fucking … put it into Traffic Monsoon Plus and take it back out and use it for whatever you wanted to use it for.
I’m not the one who fucking withdrew, who didn’t tell the Traffic Monsoon members that the PayPal money had been released.
You didn’t tell no one it had been released and you done about, I don’t know, fifty transactions. Personal account, personal account, personal account, that wasn’t my fault. That was your fault.
You need to look at yourself and what you’ve done Charles in your life. What you’ve done, right?
You withdrew all those funds without telling nobody and you knew the SEC was watching you.
You told us we passed the Paypal investigation and they froze our money. You told us (the) SEC have looked at us and everything’s fine… and then they froze us.
You fucked up my life. You fucked up so many people’s lives Charles.
[08:37] You started (Traffic Monsoon) with no money … and right now you’ve got no money. So you’ve lost nothing. What did you lose Charles?
[8:54] For two years, all your flights, all your meals, all your hotel bills, all that trip in Dubai, all of the trips when you brought your son all around the world, that was paid for by Traffic Monsoon money.
You survived for two years, you bought a Porsche, you bought a house in Manchester… you started with nothing, you’ve ended with nothing and you’ve gone back home and your family’s looking after you.
So you can start your life again. You can go and get a job in a fucking call-center, a McDonalds or wherever you want to get a job. You can get a job and start your life, right?
But we, the (Traffic Monsoon) members, have suffered so much. They’ve suffered so much.
And then you try to give me stress about raising donations.
[12:11] And I’ve got so much money in Traffic Monsoon and it’s like, “What do I do?”
I gave ninety-five thousand pounds of loans to my team to create momentum for this bloody Traffic Monsoon. Ninety-five thousand pounds cash.
I wired over to you another eighty thousand, right?
I can’t pay my bills. I’m paying them from credit cards right now. And one of my friends I loaned money to doesn’t answer the phone no more.
So it’s just a complete, absolute nightmare and I am not doing too well.
If all of this sounds like behind the rosy social media postings and message of unity, things are reaching breaking point – that’s because they probably are.
According to Patel, Scoville and his mother are increasingly desperate for funds because the Traffic Monsoon lawyers are currently working unpaid.
[12:56] I should not be finding out about how desperate you are for funding through Facebook.
Why the hell am I finding out that your mum is desperate for funding, seven o’clock in the morning from Facebook?
Why am I finding out from your mum and you, last week, the week before, for funding?
Why can’t you phone me, for god’s sake? Why can’t you send me a text message?
You’ve never ever sent me a text even Charles, saying “Sunil, this is the problem, we need this with the funding”.
I would help you guys but you haven’t got a clue about communication skills Charles.
All you had to do is phone me, “Sunil, we need fifty grand. We need fifty thousand dollars, it’s really urgent. Our lawyers haven’t been paid.”
The way your mum put it was, “help us get funds, help us get funds”. She didn’t even make it clear last night that the lawyers hadn’t been paid.
I sussed it out myself that the lawyers must be waiting for their money. This is what’s going on here.
Despite the behind the scenes turmoil between investors and lawyers not getting paid, publicly Scoville has stated he intends to file an appeal against the preliminary injunction decision.
Stay tuned…
in an update today on FB, scoville says that while the appeal process could take an year or so, the judge has now permitted him to earn money for himself:
if scoville has money hidden away outside the US, he may start using it now under the garb of ‘earnings’ from some new international business venture. up until now he had to ‘show’ that he was funding his legal expenses via donations, because he claimed to the receiver and court that he was broke.
so, will immy islam step up and help him run some ponzi/pyramid like business from the UK again [avoiding the US this time]?
i think scoville is thinking up something!
DOJ with a grand jury indictment save?
while granting the preliminary injunction, the judge has allowed an interlocutory appeal. i think the DOJ may have to wait for the ruling of the appeals court, before starting criminal proceedings.
i’m not totally sure though.
Is this not just Sunil trying to put distance between himself and Charles, however hurt he might be?
Judging by his latest video in which he shows some of the documentary evidence gathered by the SEC about his involvement, I’m thinking Sunil is being forced to face the reality of the situation.
What surprised me in this was that these people actually think they deserve respect and have consciences?
And Sunil can spout whatever bullshit he wants about not hurting the members anymore but the reality is he knew exactly what TM was and for the sake of greed decided to buy into Scovilles magic algorithm where he had figured out a way to make more money than was invested!
The only ones to blame for this aside from Scoville are the members for actually joining and investing. What did you think was going to happen and i’ll bet the majority knew exactly what it was but went in with the “i can afford to lose this much” mentality.
You go in with risk and knowledge where your ‘additional revenue’ is coming from so you only have yourselves to blame for this.
Sorry to be blunt but we are at a stage in 2017 where ponzis are absolutely everywhere and it seems nobody ever learns a lesson until they are burned by it.
You can earn money online but until you work out that like any business it requires you to work for it you are always going to be on the back end of an imploded ponzi scheme and all you are doing is giving the owners the tools and funding they need to do it over and over again 🙁
in his ‘coming out’ video sunil patel has also admitted that he committed Fraud to perpetuate the traffic monsoon ponzi scheme.
as i understand it, he says that after the paypal freeze he borrowed money from his TM group top affiliates, and made payments to his downlines, and made videos which falsely represented that payments were still being made by TM. this made his downlines think that TM was still in business, and they recruited in more investors who brought in an additional 10 million into TM.
sunil patel has himself, personally, stolen 10 million via fraud in TM, and this makes him a collaborator and not merely a net winner.
in his early morning rage against scoville over a whatsapp insult, sunil patel has implicated himself as a partner in crime.
exactly. it’s the beginning of ‘make myself look like a victim’ mode.
Yeah, like that will work.
There’s nearly as much incriminating incriminating evidence floating around of Patels’ involvement in the fraud as there is of Scovilles’
It’s not as if Sunil did any of it out of the goodness of his heart or concern for his fellow man, either.
He took money for it, so he’s no victim.
FB:
So now he doesn’t need donations? Story is changing daily…
could be. in the video patel lays the blame at scoville’s door by saying that if he had known that TM had no outside revenue, he would have never joined it or brought a team in.
in the video, patel also indicates that he’s been going through a rough time in his life.
besides financial troubles he also has a serious personal problem according to this post :
with the judge labeling TM a ponzi scheme and granting the preliminary injunction on march 29th, i guess it will become difficult for patel to show the family court that he had ‘never deceived ANYONE and my intentions & heart are pure’.
i think his anger at scoville may have something to do with the effect his TM participation has on his personal life.
the question being, that if he had such a serious problem in his personal life, why wouldn’t he just run a mile from TM right in the beginning itself, even if he wasn’t sure whether or not it was a ponzi? why take such a risk when visitation with your child is at risk?
my apologies to patel for bringing up his personal life, but he has posted this on FB for public consumption.
if he has any information about scoville that will help the SEC, he should pass it on and maybe the family court will take a kinder view of him. i wish him the best in his personal life.
Do you know this joke? ..Says narcist SP to narcist CS….
charles scoville is now claiming that judge jill parrish is convinced that TM is not a ponzi, but has just agreed with the SEC in her order granting preliminary injunction, because her actual intention is to get the question about the morrison/dodd frank confusion regarding SEC jurisdiction clarified via appeal to the circuit appeals court!!
if she had disagreed with the SEC that TM was a ponzi and let scoville win, then how would he appeal to the circuit court and clarify her confusion about the law regarding SEC jurisdiction? see?
so scoville is merely a tool being used by judge parrish to further her personal knowledge and for the evolution of the law!:
as for the SEC [according to scoville], in their heartofhearts even they Know TM is Not a ponzi! you see, they are targeting TM because they want to increase their jurisdiction over the whole world.
TM had 90% investors from outside the US, so it is a perrrfect vehicle for the SEC to increase their jurisdiction, as they are majorly pissed with the supreme court ruling in morrison vs australia bank:
so according to scoville – the receiver peggy hunt is in only for her paycheck, the judge jill parrish is in only for furthering her knowledge of the law and the SEC is in because it’s trying to spread it’s evil empire!
poor little innocent scoville who was only selling genuine advertising, is just a poor little victim of the various selfish ambitions of the ebil gubmint.
Scoville’s changing his theories daily now.
Remember those daily Facebook theory novels he used to publish prior to the preliminary injunction decision? Ultimately they amounted to nothing.
Same deal here.
It’s not “almost” Charlie.
You will be given every chance to appeal permissible under the law.
Which is not to say any or all of your appeals stand a chance of being upheld.
The SEC got exactly what it asked for. TM is shut down, the money is confiscated and you’re on notice.
You can appeal till the cows come home, but nobody cares and nobody is going to do anything which will give you the chance to appeal based on you being denied the opportunity to appeal.
Appeal away to your cold little hearts’ content
guys just forget it, we were scammed! we aren’t getting sh* back!
guys watch this Korean movie called Masters 2016, great movie, to deal with scam.
the good thing about the ending of the movie was: i don’t want to spoil it.
but that ending that happened in the movie, aren’t happening in real life, unless by God’s action!
Yes, you were in a scam.
Thank goodness the SEC intervened and stopped it before it collapsed and the last ones in lost everything – or before Charles disappeared. Did you know about his 17 other scams?
If you file a claim with the receiver, they will return as much as possible of your original seed money.
But it’s gonna be a while before it gets to the point of filing claims.
Net losers will need to keep an eye on the receiver’s website.
Yep. That’s all one really needs to know.
uh, now sunil patel has another video out claiming that this audio is fake, and announcing that he will have another video out in 7-10 days to clarify his position.
who does patel think he’s fooling? it’s clearly him in the audio attacking scoville.
sometime back, to avoid attending a TM court hearing in utah [as he had promised to do], patel lied that he had been invited to speak at a TEDx event around the same date. of course the TEDx event never happened and patel stopped talking about it after the court hearing and let his lie fade away.
he actually thinks people believe him when he tells these incredulous lies?
a blog run by shirley scoville on wordpress for TM’s legal defense fund has been suspended:
there has been no money begging from shirley scoville on FB lately, as far as i can see.
in a recent FB conversation with an affiliate, charles scoville wrote that he would need some time to plan and think up a new business operation.
Yeah I saw the Patel video. Clearly it’s his voice speaking in complete sentences, even if certain parts of the recording might have been stitched together (for whatever reason).
It’s not like someone stitched together random words from other videos and made sentences out of them. How he’s going to blab his way out of that who knows.
That’s what makes me laugh about both Sunil and the numb-nutted followers who are all crying “Fake!” – the only part of that call that sounds like it COULD be from another audio is the beginning up until the music. The main body of that call is absolutely Sunil ranting in one take (or as good as).
The idea that this has been somehow cobbled together from other audio clips would make the person who did it the most meticulous S.O.B. on the planet, even more so than the genius that is ‘Cassette Boy’ (look him up if you don’t know who he is – he regularly makes cobbled together videos for that other comedic genius, Charlie Brooker).
Believe me, if I had the time and inhuman patience to try and cobble together an actual fake rebuttal using audio clips from all of Sunil’s content, I would.
Not that anyone else shouldn’t have a crack at that if they so wish *cough.
Bit of a spat going on at the moment between Scoville and Patel.
Scoville – facebook.com/charles.scoville/posts/10154909916917717
Patel response – facebook.com/charles.scoville/posts/10154909916917717?comment_id=10154909987457717&reply_comment_id=10154910142217717&comment_tracking=%7B%22tn%22%3A%22R9%22%7D
Scoville response – facebook.com/charles.scoville/posts/10154909916917717?comment_id=10154910282047717&comment_tracking=%7B%22tn%22%3A%22R9%22%7D
Patel response – facebook.com/charles.scoville/posts/10154909916917717?comment_id=10154910282047717&reply_comment_id=10154910295447717&comment_tracking=%7B%22tn%22%3A%22R9%22%7D
Scoville response – facebook.com/charles.scoville/posts/10154909916917717?comment_id=10154910306467717&reply_comment_id=10154911874852717&comment_tracking=%7B%22tn%22%3A%22R9%22%7D
There’s also some chat logs of Sunil purportedly admitting he has “no idea” how the adcredit side of Ponzi schemes work.
Not really worth a separate article but a bit of interesting reading (high school drama).
Is Charles in Jail or out on bail or something?
No crim charges. He’s basically mooching off his parents as I understand it.
Crazy he think he really has a defense on all of this.
Don’t the members see they can get refunded from the frozen funds?
Seems from the facebook chats they think it will be business as usual once the case is over.
I wouldn’t expect my parents to foot the bill on any of this stuff.
Really sad that they are backing him up on this nonsense.
sunil patel is almost ready to launch his own MLM scam scheme called ‘integrity’.
guess what he’ll be selling??
it’s easy! AD PACKS!!!
you pay for ads and get paid to watch ads and youtube videos and facebook posts that other affiliates have paid to post.
but but but, this ^^ is almost exactly like traffic monsoon which sunil patel is very pissed with, for secretly being a ponzi scheme which never gave him any warning signs ever!
so, sunil patel being the ‘ted talk’ intellectual aspirant that he is, has devised a unique method to legalize his adpack ponzi scheme.
he’s going to sell chocolates from holland along with adpacks!
and even clothes and aftershaves and etc and etc..
how about weapons grade uranium and underpants too sunil? the more ‘products’ you add the legal-ler you’ll get!
anyway, he’s in ‘beast mode’ as he admits in his own words, and y’know even gandhi had haterzzz, and scoville and pinakee naik are idiots, and someone called mandy diamond is a b-i-t-c-h, and and omg! at around 8 mins into his video he replaces himself with shots of a cartoon monster.
i’m like speechless.
uh, so sunil patel is all Pumped Up about his new ad pack ponzi scheme, and to share his enthusiasm with lucky us all, he has posted a video on his FB page for his upcoming ‘integrity’ scam.
if you’re a child, please don’t this watch alone, its a dark night, he’s wearing dark glasses, in a dark car, and singing YO!! stuff like:
personally, i noticed just one ^^ cokehead.
is he trying to convince Us or Himself about whether he’s a fucking joke who needs a rope [and a strong tree]??
so, since the new ponzi ‘integrity’, selling ad packs and chocolate bars will be launched on the 12th of oct, 2017, i thought it would be nice if you could like SEE who the creator/owner/intellectual mastermind behind this great effort is.
after all, you’re expected to hand over your money to him and eat his chocolate bars, so you might as well have a meet and greet:
youtube.com/watch?v=xvipOCiVGXY&feature=youtu.be
he says he’s ‘chilling’ but truth be told, the video is somewhat chilling!
before sending him your money, a referral to the closest psychiatrist may be the need of the hour!
Had a look into Integrity ESA today (still no website though as I write this).
40, 20 and 10 GBP “advertising packages” that pay a 5% ROI (Ponzi ROI 105%) after 55 days.
Recruitment commissions paid down one level, everyone has to pay 9.99 GBP a month plus invest in at least 20 advertising packages (any tier).
Integrity ESA affiliates are capped at one hundred package investments per payment tier.
That’s pretty much the gist of it, with Sunil Patel motivational events and some nutritional products thrown in (that in and of themselves have nothing to do with the advertising packages).
integrity esa is still a no go with patel not managing to tie up with a payment processor yet.
his launch event scheduled for end of june/early july is already being postponed to dates unknown.
he’s currently wasting time on FB ranting about – ‘when the cruel world goes against you, don’t go against yourself’ – or some such motivational pseudo bullshit.
we all know integrity esa is DOA, so lets just have some fun with patel’s self-inflicted re-invention as a gansta rappa!
yo, he’s rapping about how he bought a bentley inspite of the ebil gubmint! quite fun if you can bear it:
youtube.com/watch?v=hlSphwr9Xe4&feature=youtu.be
uh, he actually wants to record this song and thinks people will actually buy it 😉
anyways, since he’s hellbent on making a jackass of himself in full public view, people on FB are having some fun with his new rappa avatar:
^^ 🙂
the only way sunil patel can sell this song is via a pyramid scheme with zero retail, compulsory buying and a no returns policy!
so yeah um, Let’s Go! [wherever]
I lasted 56 seconds… it’s just too much, my mind can’t handle that level of cringe.
Clearly he has too much time on his hands if he think that crap will sell.
Its nice to have a dream. Somehow he wants to be a player in the same ring as the other scammers.
Since he has lost so much money at the hands of scam owners he wants to be on the other end for a change as an owner of one.