TelexFree Court Status – 29th April 2014
As we barrel towards the May 2nd showdown in the Nevada bankruptcy court, two additional filings were made on Monday the 29th.
Also of note was a new cease and desist issued in the US state of Montana.
Motions Filed
1. Objection to TelexFree’s motion that certain sections of the TRO are invalid (SEC, April 29th)
On April 23rd, TelexFree filed a motion alleging that certain sections of the temporary restraining order (TRO) granted against the company were invalid (for more information, see April 24th court update).
On the 29th of April the SEC filed their objection to this motion, arguing that TelexFree was using “outdated law”.
In their motion, TelexFree is arguing that an automatic stay was evoked when they filed for bankruptcy, which should override the TRO granted to the SEC.
In their objection, the SEC write:
The commission and other government units utilize their police and regulatory powers in the public interest.
Because of the importance of their public mission, Congress has granted governmental units an exception from certain of the prohibitions (sic) of the Bankruptcy Code’s automatic stay provisions.
The Debtors fail to address this controlling statute, and instead base their argument on pre-1998 statutory language. (TelexFree’s) argument that the TRO violates the automatic stay is frivolous.
Other points challenged by the SEC include:
- TelexFree misunderstand the purpose and effect of the TRO – This argument is based on TelexFree’s “belief” that the TRO equates to an “enforcement of a money judgement”. The SEC argue that seeing as no money judgement has thus far been made in the case, that there is no basis for this argument.
- That the TRO was granted incorrectly using Section 362(b)(4) – TelexFree argue that Section 362(b)(4) of the bankruptcy code does not override the automatic stay granted in Chapter 11 applications. The SEC claim this argument is “nonsensical”, in that Section 362(b)(4) ‘is designed to allow government entities to use litigation to exercise their police and regulatory power, which includes by necessity stopping violations of the law.’ The SEC claim that the District Court ‘merely ordered (TelexFree) to stop soliciting investors in… an ongoing securities fraud‘.
- TelexFree’s notion that the ‘invocation of the (bankruptcy court’s) jurisdiction is not only in (TelexFree’s) best interest, but also in the best interests of (TelexFree’s) creditor (sic) and the SEC‘. The SEC claim this notion is “flat out wrong”.
2. Objection to SEC’s motion to move bankruptcy proceedings to Massachusetts (TelexFree, April 29th)
TelexFree have filed an objection to the SEC’s motion to move the bankruptcy hearing, declaring that the SEC’s allegations are “unsupported and inflammatory”. They argue that Nevada is where the bankruptcy proceedings should take place, because
the interest lies in preserving the Company going forward so that the Company can continue to operate and creditors can be repaid. The people who can do
that are not located in Massachusetts and made the decision to file in Nevada.Thus Nevada provides the most efficient and economic location for these Chapter 11 Cases to proceed.
One can surmise that the reason James Merrill and Carlos Wanzeler stepped down from their managerial positions, was precisely so TelexFree could make the above argument (both Wanzeler and Merril are based out of Massachusetts).
There’s not too much information in the filing, however a few new tidbits are evident in the accompanying declaring of TelexFree’s CEO in hiding, Stuart Macmillan:
- Macmillan is pretty much running the show now. Wanzeler and Merrill hired him to take over and clean up the $1 billion dollar Ponzi mess they created.
- Joe Craft, when caught with a bag full of checks, was acting under orders from Macmillan.
- TelexFree’s AdCentral compensation plan was “problematic” (read: it was an unsustainable Ponzi scheme)
- TelexFree are paying MacMillan $50,000 a month on top of a $180,000 retainer
- Macmillan believes that TelexFree’s VOIP offering will be able to maintain 140,000 retail customers and generate $50 million a year going forward. This despite there currently being little to no retail activity within the business (any customers are incidental to the AdCentral Ponzi scheme).
Most obviously, Macmillan’s declarations (worth a read just to see how much TelexFree affiliates have been bulshitted), require the reader to enter into a state of amnesia and completely forget about the two year old $1 billion dollar Ponzi scheme TelexFree ran.
Basically, with nothing more than a business registration and nothing else tying them to the state, TelexFree are arguing that it’s in everybody’s best interest to keep the bankruptcy application in Nevada, because that’s where Macmillan filed it.
The real reason?
The laws of the State of Nevada will be critical to the resolution of those claims.
“Those claims” mentioned above are the AdCentral contract positions TelexFree sold to affiliates. What’s the best Nevada is more corporation friendly than Massachusetts when the time comes to wriggle out of what the company promised? And we’re not just talking monopoly money here either – kiss initial investments goodbye too.
Orders
1. Order granting expedited hearing for the DoJ’s Motion for the appointment of a Chapter 11 Trustee
On April 25th the DoJ filed a motion requesting an expedited hearing for their motion requesting a Chapter 11 Trustee be appointed in the TelexFree bankruptcy application.
Judge Landis granted the expedited hearing motion, setting the Chapter 11 Trustee hearing to be heard on May 2nd.
Important Upcoming Dates
- April 30th (Massachusetts) – Expected decision on a preliminary injunction against Randy Crosby and Santiago De La Rosa
- May 2nd (Nevada) – Mammoth hearing to decide on SEC’s request to move bankruptcy proceedings to Massachusetts, DoJ’s request that a Chapter 11 Trustee be appointed, TelexFree’s objections to the TRO, the final First Day Orders, and ‘whether the interests of creditors and the various debtors are better served by the suspension of all (bankruptcy) proceedings in these jointly administered cases‘
- May 7th (Massachusetts) – Hearing in the SEC case to decide on whether a preliminary injunction will be granted against TelexFree, Carlos Wanzeler, Jim Merrill, Joe Craft, Faith Sloan and Sann Rodrigues
- May 22nd (Nevada) – First meeting of TelexFree creditors
- May 28th (Nevada) – Hearing to decide on TelexFree’s motion for employment of their lawyers
Final Thoughts
May 2nd is only two days away and personally I’m not seeing how both the SEC’s request that proceedings be moved to Massachusetts or the DoJ’s motion for the appointment of a Chapter 11 Trustee will be denied.
The DoJ’s application appears to be well-rooted in the bankruptcy code, which clearly states what needs to be done in cases of fraud. Meanwhile the SEC have pretty much just destroyed TelexFree’s argument against the proceedings moving to Massachusetts, and also any objections raised against the TRO.
Using outdated laws and consciously to omit certain exclusions that were vital to the granting of the TRO in the first place, probably isn’t going to get the company very far come May 2nd.
TelexFree’s objections would appear to thus be moot in both instances.
Barring any additional paperwork filed between now and Thursday, I don’t anticipate any changes to the upcoming schedule. My next update should be sometime late on May 2nd or early May 3rd, when the orders for what has been decided on May 2nd start to filter through.
Meanwhile Patrick Pretty is reporting that the state of Montana have issued a separate cease and desist against TelexFree:
TelexFree sought to register as a multilevel distribution company in July 2013, but the form submitted to the state was “obsolete and no longer accepted by the [Office of the Commissioner of Securities and Insurance,]” the C&D alleged.
TelexFree ultimately refused to provide Montana with accurate documentation, and instead insisted they weren’t doing business in the state anymore. Montana, through their own research, went on to identify at least thirty-four individuals participating in TelexFree after the assurance has been issued, prompting the state to issue the notice on April 23rd.
The C&D accuses TelexFree of operating an MLM unlawfully in Montana, withholding facts and lying about ceasing its operations there.
Montana noted that the TelexFree “software could be used for unlimited calls to landlines and mobile phones to about 70 countries for a fixed monthly price of $49.90. A VOiP competitor, Vonage, sells a similar product for $12.99 a month.”
I doubt the C&D will have any effect on the May 2nd hearing, but it is interesting to note the observation by Montana that TelexFree’s VOIP service is a sham. It pretty much kills the whole “we’ll make legit money selling VOIP” argument TelexFree have based their bankruptcy application on.
Looking forward, I expect we’ll see similar arguments raised on May 2nd by the SEC and DoJ.
Uh, so while I was writing this update an objection from TelexFree has appeared on the docket. Bear with me while I add it in.
You are in for a surprise…
It wasn’t too bad. Both the motion and declaration were lengthy but most of the information is regurgitated.
It’s basically leave the proceedings in Nevada because Nevada law benefits us. Oh it benefits the affiliates too because, if granted bankruptcy protection, we’ll be able to pay them back out of all the VOIP sales we’re not making.
That nobody is paying $49.90 for Telex99 outside of the Ponzi scheme appears to be a point lost on Macmillan, or simply ignored as it creates a logic-hole in his argument.
Hey Oz, did you find something interesting on the Declaration of Stuart MacMillan?
kccllc.net/telexfree/document/1412524140429000000000009
Nevermind, you just updated the article…
This just keeps getting better… Can’t wait for May 2nd.
Oz, thank you for the update !
this is wayyy better than watching sitcoms..really; thanks, Oz!
Oz, how long do you think before they start bringing charges against any of the defendants named on the SEC lawsuit?
And by charges I meant criminal charges… Just wanted to clarify that.
Some of the Massachusetts promoters who are not too deeply involved in TelexFree, and feel they have been cheated and continue to be cheated, should probably offer similar type of information like the one I suggested for the Mass-Sec complaint form. That excludes all “true believers” and all “low hanging fruits”.
One of TelexFree’s weakest defense systems is the VOIP sales. Most VOIP sales didn’t generate any revenue or profit, because people used internal funds to pay for the subscriptions. Revenue and profit is about real MONEY, not about “back office funds”.
TelexFree will be vulnerable to factual and true information from its own promoters, about their personal investments, personal VOIP sales and personal use of the VOIP service. It will simply be vulnerable to the truth.
He was rather vague on some important details, using “I have personally inspected …” and “my understanding and belief”. People will normally back up claims with solid proofs rather than “personal understanding and beliefs”.
If he has the experience he claim he has, he should normally be able to back up his arguments with solid proofs rather than “personal predictions”. He should know what to look for e.g. in financial records about VOIP sales. That part was completely missing, he mentioned NUMBER of voip customers rather than REVENUE and PROFIT.
He’s doing a good job, but his case has several weak spots.
He’s on rather thin ice here. On one hand he claims to be very experienced and qualified, but on the other hand he has obviously ignored important details that he’s EXPECTED to have looked into.
For Zeek Rewards, it took 16 months from the shutdown on August 17 2012 to the first criminal charges on December 21 2013, charges against Dawn Wright-Olivares and Daniel Olivares for “Conspiracy to defraud the United States” (about fraudulent tax forms, etc.).
You will find court documents from several cases on the “ASDupdates” website.
sites.google.com/a/asdupdates.com/files-website/zeek-rewards-sec-case/dawn-and-daniel-olivares
The criminal case seems to be upcoming / have been delayed. They will handle the civil parts first, e.g. disgorgement of ill-gotten gains.
Thanks M_Norway.
It would be sad to see some of these people roaming free for that long. They must have broken so many laws besides just Running a Ponzi Scheme…
It’s clear these people broke a few more laws such as: Wire Fraud (all this illegal money being wired all over the world), Tax Fraud (Paying profits to promoters overseas and then filling fraudulent 1099s with fake Social Security numbers), Tax evasion (There was almost no tax paid for any income paid out to affiliates, receiving unclaimed cash in exchange for telexpoints), Mail Fraud (Using the UPS to mail fake 1099s isn’t going to help them either), Tempering with evidence (I heard of office empoyees destroying computers and files in the days before the raid at their office) and I’m sure Obstruction of Justcice will be another charge.
They have been simply telling too many lies… Just to name a few.
I believe one the most important points about that Stuart Macmillan declaration is that it clarifies the story of that Craft guy running away with a bag of checks disguised as a consultant. What Macmillan says makes sense, and is backed up with the mail exchanges between Joe “Have a Wonderful Day!” Craft and others.
This addresses directly what has been to date one of the main immediate arguments against Telexfree, largely used to request the TRO and the US Trustee request to appoint a Chapt. 11 Trustee on Telexfree.
I believe the granting of the preliminary TRO, and the US Trustee motion, are now suddenly more difficult to get.
Only if you believe it isn’t a billion dollar plus ponzi.
It’s all too easy to get caught up in all the legal maneuvering and lose sight of the fact we are talking fraud on a massive scale.
I know. But the story about Craft and his bag of cashier checks has been one of the main arguments to get immediate action on the case. If Stuart Macmillan is telling the truth, that argument is now significantly debased, and the whole account even favors Telexfree (less the investment account in Wanzeler’s wife name).
I’m sorry, but I don’t read it that way at all.
Having watched a number of these “things” unfold over many years, IM(very)HO it is being done by the book and proceeding according to plan (and that doesn’t mean Telexfrees’ plan)
The Craft story is only one of a number of factors introduced in evidence which combined gave the Judge sufficient evidence to issue the TRO.
As much as Telexfree (and TV writers) would have us believe differently, Judges aren’t stupid or inexperienced in these matters.
Issuing a TRO to what claims to be a billion dollar business isn’t an everyday occurrence and isn’t something a court would take lightly.
The thing is, the judge, the court and the prosecutors can’t and won’t comment publicly, unlike Telexfree which can and will say what they like to keep its’ victims onside for as long as possible.
Thanks guys. This is the best information site on Telexfree ever!
I’m however curious, since their liabiities largely outway their assets, how does the SEC or DoJ intend to payback the promoters? More importantly, how would they factually determine those to be paid, i.e. initial investment versus profits?
e.g. am aware of someone who made an initial investment of $10,701 4 days before the file for bankruptcy… would there be preferential treatment in the allocation of amounts due?
All they need is the truth about the VOIP sales, e.g. the payment with internal funds. I tried to identify that in my complaint form examples.
One of the common signatures for Ponzi schemes is the use of “internal funds” or “Ponzi points” = payouts to the back office only. Payouts like that are not monetary transactions, they’re “phantom payouts” (ILLUSIONS of monetary transactions).
PONZI ABC
A: Money comes IN from investors –> bank account.
B: “Profit generating system”. It doesn’t involve any money, only ILLUSIONS people can believe in. It doesn’t generate any profit, only the illusion of profit.
C: If anyone want to withdraw some of the “profit” they have earned, the only money available is found in point A = money coming IN from investors.
Point B doesn’t generate any profit for the company. Internet itself doesn’t pay any money when people are posting ads there.
CONCLUSION?
Point B is a fake and fraudulent “profit generating system”, an ILLUSION of income for the promoters. The only money available to PAY OUT is what they have PAID IN themselves as a group.
Point A and C involves real money, money IN and money OUT. Point B doesn’t involve any money.
New gift for Telexfree/Ympactus from brazil!!! They need to pay R$ 5,5 million. This is not accusation, this is a penal action from Procon of Acre. I just don’t understand: why this now?
The procon is just a law part that act to protect the consumer. I don’t know if there is similar in USA. This is not final and probably, they will try to change this in a upper justice.
By the way, this is the FIRST and official penalty in brazil that say “TelexFREE IS a pyramid”! There is no more excuse: they don’t have prove.
By the way, there will be much more. Why not use this money to pay that 500.000?
Ah, but, are you sure that if TF is finally condemned and closed we are going to get back our investment? What do you guys think?
After everything is said and done, expect next to nothing in getting back your initial “investment”. If you made your principal back, forget about getting any “profit gains” from your BO. According to my research, at best, the average is 10% of what you lost.
Legally speaking, there isn’t any profits in a Ponzi scheme. All profits can be clawed back. But in reality, it’s impossible to clawback ALL profits.
TelexFree is currently handled as a Chapter 11 bankruptcy / reorganizing case, trying to erase all debts owed to the promoters prior to April 14th.
SEC (federal) and Massachusetts Securities Division (state) are trying to transfer the bankruptcy case to Massachusetts.
U.S. Trustee is trying to fire the bankruptcy agent, and get the court to appoint a bankruptcy Trustee (a normal method when bankruptcy fraud can be suspected).
The current article is about the most recent updates. Oz wrote similar articles April 24 and 25. You will find other TelexFree articles by clicking “Telexfree” right under the headline of this article (you don’t need to read them, but a quick look at the most recent headlines will give you an overview).
http://economia.ig.com.br/2014-04-29/telexfree-lideres-agora-promovem-de-palmito-a-colchao.html
Way down among Brazilians,
Ponzi schemes grow by the billions
So they’ve got to find those extra accounts to fillllll
They’ve got an awful lot of Ponzis in Brazil!
I know, and I’ve not the least doubt about it being a Ponzi. However, I’ve changed my perception of the case.
From the Macmillan declaration it seems Wanzeler and Merrill are fighting with what forces they have to keep ol’ CommonCents open and running, and come out of all of this as the legit company they were before the Ponzi being implemented, cleaning up themselves of the former wrongdoing in the way.
The way they seem to have planned to achieve that is by voiding all former contracts with promoters, lest those who show “valid” Proof of Claim – What “valid” means is yet to bee seen, of course.
It can be reasonably expected that only a fraction of all promoters will fill the Proof of Claim. Of those, only a fraction will actually be willing to litigate over it with Telexfree. And of those, only a fraction is expected to be recognized as “valid”. I understand this will significantly reduce Telexfree debt to their creditors.
For this reasons, it looks to me that the bankruptcy plan has a reasonable chance of success. And if Wanzeler&Merrill manage to push the fraud charges to some top promoters and some of their their downlines, while claiming they mended their ways prior to 9 March as requested by SEC, I wonder if there is not a possibility that this plan could be successful, after all.
There’s 2 options available (among others):
1. “Proof of claim” forms available through the bankruptcy agent. Most of us believe that’s too early to use.
kccllc.net/TelexFree
2. Mass-Sec Creditor Complaint form. It’s a complaint to Massachusetts Security Division, where you can describe your investment and VOIP sales. It’s for investigation purposes, not for monetary claims.
sec.state.ma.us/InvestorComplaint/telexfree.aspx
I have only looked at the second option, and posted some examples in another thread. It will most likely be used to add more details to the Massachusetts case. It may be harmful to some of the net winners, and will most likely be harmful to TelexFree.
People must use their OWN brains. I focused on HOW TO POST information about my hypothetical investment in TelexFree, I didn’t focus on anything other than that. I separated real money from “back office funds”, and separated real VOIP sales from personal purchases.
I agree that McMullin’s Declaration is plausible, and as such undermines the DOJ’s Motion for an Appointment of a Chapter 11 Trustee. The perspective here is that McMullin is the new sherrif in town, prior management has been dismissed or neutered and the “problematic” contract situation has and will be addressed via reorganization under a new trustworthy manager .
McMullin may be a fine candidate for managing a debt free company into the future but the past can’t be so quickly dismissed. Recovering multi-millions of dollars for the creditors is a job for a Trustee or Receiver not McMullin.
Guys, the TRO was issued prior to the raid.
I believe you are wrong here, hoss. I recall from the hearing transcription between Frank C. Huntington and judge Denise which granted the TRO, that Frank specifically mentions the raid and the Craft story to the judge “so that you can see the kind of people we are dealing with here”, or something to that effect. IIWR, the raid was on 15 April, and the TRO was granted the following day, 16.
The contractual liabilities dwarf the available assets, probably 25 times over. Most of the money that was invested into Telexfree was paid out and is in the pockets of top promoters and people you’ll never hear of, and they will not want or be able to give that money back.
So if a person has not been paid already they are out of luck. Maybe they will get back 5% of their investment three or four years from now. AS you realize this is a MESS.
They really think there’s any chance of that? Or are they still in bullshitting mode? I guess they’re not going to address the SEC case against them.
Oz, throughout all of this brouhaha you managed to come up with a new corporate title CEOIH (Ceo In Hiding).
It fills me with such sadness to say I have no doubt TF will file more objections using outdated law until the May 2nd public hanging.
I can now see TF’s objection to comparisons to other VOIP companies:
“But, but, Vonage and the others don’t compensate their reps as well as TeleFree’s scammers, err… affiliates had been.”
Macmillan believes that TelexFree’s VOIP offering will be able to maintain 140,000 retail customers and generate $50 million a year going forward. This despite there currently being little to no retail activity within the business (any customers are incidental to the AdCentral Ponzi scheme).
So, what kind of “crack” is this guy smoking?
The bankruptcy case has a reasonable chance of success, and a reasonable chance of failure.
Among TelexFree’s promoters, there will be several people who feel they have been cheated. Most likely, SOME of them will add information to the case, e.g. using the Mass-Sec form. That’s all it takes for the bankruptcy case to fail miserably (if SEC know how to handle information like that).
A bankruptcy / reorganizing case should normally be based on honesty and truth. Stuart MacMillan failed to deliver that, he delivered a very defensive statement revolving mostly around his own qualifications and his good faith beliefs. But he did a good job doing that.
TELEXFREE’S MAIN PROBLEM
People mostly paid for the VOIP service using “internal funds”. In business, that’s similar to paying for products with monopoly money, it doesn’t generate any revenue or profit.
Credit card transactions however do generate revenue and potential profit. Point 50 in the SEC complaint:
26,300 transactions in 18 months ~ 1,500 paying customers average per month. The others got the VOIP service “for free”, i.e. they didn’t pay any money for the service.
Telexfree MIGHT have had other payment methods, but Stuart MacMillan failed to identify any details about revenue and profit. He carefully avoided the details.
MacMillan has enough knowledge and experience to know what to look for. Experienced people will normally demand full insight before they will accept a job like that. That means he most likely is trying to mislead the court.
carlos wanzeler has been fired, merrill and craft resigned 😉
It is possible that they have kept at least part of their VOIP consumers prior to 2012. Let’s not forget that it seems to have been a legit company at some point before 2012, selling a competitive product in the Brazilian/Hispanic expatriate marker.
I don’t know how Macmillan expects to get 140.000 costumers so soon, but if it has to do with some cool I-Phone/Smartphone application using the VOIP service (amongst other features), I wouldn’t say it’s impossible.
Madeiran online Newspaper reports Wings network ‘succesor to Telexfree’ has had it’s licence revoked here on the island
http://www.publico.pt/economia/noticia/zona-franca-da-madeira-revoga-licenca-da-sucedanea-da-telexfree-1634122
You may be right, Where is this Huntington transcription if you can identify it? The US Trustee Motion for Appointment of a Trustee Docket 65 indicates the TRO was applied for on the 15th, the raid was conducted on the 15th and the TRO was approved on the 16th. I remember reading somewhere that that the TRO (or maybe just the application for the TRO was filed under seal so that the bank accounts could be secured before the owners of Telexfree were alerted. I can not reconstruct the exact sequence of events but it seems reasonable to assume that implicit approval of the TRO would have preceded the raid, even if official approval came a day later. Under such circumstances as that Craft’s actions seem merely incidental to the granting of the TRO.
Yeah, Now its a squeaky clean company with a new CEO. All is forgiven and the creditors will be paid off with free VOIP minutes.
Hoss, please see Court Docket: #0067
Document Name: U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission’s Motion for Change of Venue; Memorandum of Points and Authorities; Declarations of Mark Albers and Scott Stanley
At the end lies the transcript.
That legit company is a separate entity, owned by Carlos Wanzeler. It’s called Disk Avontade or something. It’s the company delivering the technical solutions for the VOIP service. TelexFree is simply a marketing arm selling the opportunity and the product.
The reorganizing is based on the assumption that TelexFree has 100,000’s of customers worldwide. But the truth is quite different, promoters generated fake customers to qualify for commissions. The net cost per customer was 5 “monopoly money” ($5 for true believers, they truly believed it was about real money).
Let’s just clarify some things here…
If I’m not mistaken, late in 2012 or very early in 2013, it caught Acre’s consumer protection agency “Procon/AC” attention the fact that near 10% of Acre state’s population was “investing” in Telexfree. Acre’s Procon was the first public agency to alert other organs of government about that fraud (all of which just seemed to sit, wait, watch, doing nothing).
So, Acre’s Procon agency did not move “just now”.
Reading latest news, it seems Procon has been doing his own homework on Telexfree for the last year or so (despite Acre’s PP doing a similar job). According to what is published on April 30th edition of the Brazilian Official Gazette, a “technical note” had been prepared and was used by justice to fine TF in 5.6 million Brazilian Reais because of the “severity and extent of the injury caused to thousands of consumers across the country”.
As Bruna wrote, this is not an accusation: it is a final decision.
Source:
G1 News Portal
Great. Yes I read it. Unfortunately I can not copy from the .pdf but here is the way I read it.
Mass filed their complaint on the 15th.
The next morning the SEC filed its own Complaint and requested the TRO, stating that they were “operating in secret” and “we could not reveal ourselves without tipping things, so we had to wait until a search warrant was executed.”
Its just my interpretation but it appears the Search warrant was issued based on the allegations contained in the Mass Complaint, and the SEC was prepared to file its Complaint immediately after the search was executed.
Finding Craft in the act of concealment further supported their suspicions. They were “ready to fax the freeze order to 30 banks” and already knew that Merril and Wanzeler had or were attempting to make withdrawals on Friday the 11th two days before the bankruptcy was filed. Now we have McMullins explanation of why some of the checks were remitted and why Craft had the checks in his possession. To be continued…
Bold prediction…
There is no way on God’s green earth that this bankruptcy will be granted by any judge.
I think it’s going to get tossed all together. At the very most Nevada will kick it to Mass. First of all we aren’t talking about a legitimate business that is requesting chapter 11.
It’s a ponzie scheme gone wild. This fact can’t be hidden by any fast talking lawyer or puppet CEO.
Even if we pretended Telexfree was a legitimate company the fact is that there is no viable product here that can be revived to be a competitor in the market place.
And if I’m wrong?…. I’ll say somthing nice about Faith Sloan.. : )
If the company can shed all of its liabilities in bankruptcy it could limp along selling VOIP and it might even become a reasonably good business over time but there is no way that this future promise exonerates the pitchmen and organizer from peddling unregistered and illegal securities for the last two years. People have been harmed and future VOIP sales are not going to rectify that. I don’t think you are going to owe FS an apology.
I don’t think you are going to owe FS an apology.
Bite your tongue Hoss…lol..I didn’t say “apologize” I said I would say somthing nice. : )
Talking about Faith Sloan, it appears that she took her facebook page down, or maybe she found a way to ban me after I made some remarks! 🙂
she took her facebook page down
Good riddance to bad rubbish!
http://www.kccllc.net/telexfree/document/1412524140429000000000009
On April 17, 2014, after the filing of the Complaint (as defined below), I
requested that each of Mr. Craft, Mr. Wanzeler and Mr. Merrill resign from all positions with the Company effective immediately. …. Mr. Wanzeler did not resign and, as a result, I terminated Mr. Wanzeler as an officer and agent
of the Debtors on April 17, 2014..
Omar Vale, faiths facebook page it still up she found a way to ban you. I loved the comments people added to her page. Even though she would delete them after a time, they were great.
No it won’t. It has NO infrastructure to actually run VOIP. All the hardware is owned by Wanzeler and DiskAvontade. Given that Wanzeler’s hand had been slapped away from the cookie jar, and he’s facing charges from SEC and who knows what else, chances are he’s going back to Brazil with tail between his legs, claiming SEC persecution, leaving his family and Merrill here to deal with the fallout.
I withdraw my previous comment. You were completely correct
If I understand this correctly, ProCon is Brazilian equivalent of state level consumer protection office (civil law), while PP (public prosecutor) is like state attorney general (criminal law)?
I strikes me as plausible that Wanzeler may have to deal with litigation fronm any number of sources and thus anything and everything that he owns is at risk of being lost to others.
Exactly, so there wouldn’t be anything to run TelexFree with, unless you really think MacMillian is going to sue Wanzeler, take over DiskAvontade, and run TelexFree as a real company. I don’t see that happening.
I think its highly improbable and I do not know what MacMullin will propose, but if this stays in bankruptcy everything is on the table and if Telexfree needs DiskAvontade to reorganize then Mac Mullin will propose a way of making that happen.
Carlos Wanzeler is still the owner, and MacMillan is a hired employee. Unless Wanzeler only was a front for the business, and there’s some other owners involved.
“So I fird him” was used to show that Stuart Macmillan was the only one that would have access to funds. But in reality, the owners can fire the hired employee. If the hired employee want to fire the owners, he must first ask for permission to do it.
I still believe Joe Craft and the 2 other guys are heavily involved. Joe Craft controlled the stream of money as a CFO and CPA, and he was also the agent who registered TelexFree LLC in Nevada.
James Merrill and Carlos Wanzeler have positions in a couple of Nevada companies. JC = Joe Craft?
JC REAL ESTATE INVESTMENT COMPANY LLC (reg: 2012-07-26)
JC REAL ESTATE MANAGEMENT COMPANY LLC (reg: 2012-07-26)
TELEXFREE, LLC (reg: 2012-07-19)
Note, TELEXFREE is an international company with millions of promoters and customers, further disturbance of the company is unhealthy.
Stuart Macmillan is a puppet CEO I mean “Managing Partner”
hmmmm when Stuart signed the declaration he scratched out the title President and CEO and wrote in Managing Partner. Interesting.
So long as this is in bankruptcy the Judge would have to approve a firing and so long as this is in bankruptcy McMullin has to ask permission to spend money. For the foreseeable future it does not matter who the paper owners are, their authority has bee pre-empted by the Court.
Correct. MacMillan kicked out Wanzeler and Merrill as employees of the company, but he can’t get rid of their ownership interests. The question is who has the executive powers, and on paper, it appears to be MacMillan. Basically, he just turned Wanzeler and Merrill into remote owners rather than owner-operators.
IMHO, MacMillan is setting himself up as the trustee candidate to counter the motion that a Chapter 11 trustee should be appointed by US Trustees. I don’t know how much backroom deal (if any) he did with Wanzeler and Merrill, or will do as trustee, but it’ll be a lot more lenient than a lawyer appointed by US Trustees to take over liquidation of TelexFree.
IMHO, if US Trustees take over, it will likely sue both Wanzeler and Merrill, and Craft, and others to recover any and all assets possible, almost like a receivership. Expect to see a small-scale Irving Piccard type action (that’s Bernie Madoff’s trustee).
Doubt that will happen with MacMillan in charge.
Trustees are taken from a cadre of qualified individuals under the supervision of the US Trustee Program under the auspices of the DOJ. No way McMullin is going to fill that post. He’s there to manage the DIP and if a Trustee is appointed the Debtor is no longer in possession. MacMullin would be out of a job…. Accordingly the Debtors are opposing the Motion to Appoint a Trustee.
MacMillan reports to the Board of Directors. He must have asked for permission from Wanzeler to fire him.
A CEO will manage all daily operations, but all major decisions will require permission from the Board of Directors.
Merrill and Wanzeler can of course have resigned from positions as President, Treasurer, Secretary and Director = all the 4 “typical” positions in Nevada LLC companies. But then they did it voluntarily.
Trustees are taken from a cadre of qualified individuals under the supervision of the US Trustee Program under the auspices of the DOJ. No way McMullin is going to fill that post. He’s there to manage the DIP and if a Trustee is appointed the Debtor would no longer be in possession and MacMullin would be out of a job…. Accordingly the Debtors are opposing the Motion to Appoint a Trustee.
Ownership does not imply a Board Seat. I am not going to look it up but I think Wanzeler, Merrill and Craft were on the Board. Then apparently Merril and Craft agreed to hire McMullin who as CEO fired Wanzeler from any positions he had (including as a Board member. So it does not appear as if any of them have Board seats (don’t need them) though apparently Wanzeler and Merrill are co owners. There could easily be other owners. If so, that will come out later. Again if this remains in BK McMullin will have to ask the Court for permissions from the Court not from the owners.
Telexfree promoters don’t panic! Here’s your money:
Another source of more information on TelexFree:
http://patrickpretty.com/2014/04/30/urgent-bulletin-moving-interim-telexfree-chief-tells-bankruptcy-judge-that-he-has-fired-carlos-wanzeler-and-caused-james-merrill-and-joe-craft-to-resign
And, if the authorities take too long to file individual criminal charges, how much money can they put away before they even step foot into the courts?
This whole idea that hey I resigend, I am a victim, or I was fired so I am not accountable won’t fly with the judges.
Preliminary Injunction Order signed as to Crosby and De La Rosa. This day.
SEC alleges that the comapny website should not have been up and operating. Also alleges that the TRO has been breached by ALL defendants. The amounts withdrawn by Merrill were almost double what Craft had in his possession. Resume and experience of Merrill and Wanzeler was grossly misrepresented to investors.
Preliminary Injuction as to all entities and parties looks all but certain.
Somewhere in this process I got confused about what CommonCents was. You are right, there’s no way this thing can survive. It’s like expecting a monkey to recite Shakespeare.
Article will be up shortly on the prelim injunction. Going through court docs now.
They are all done!
Here’s a curveball, the SEC have filed an objection to the DoJ’s appointment for a Trustee.
Stay tuned… I’ll have some analysis up shortly.
can you please give the link for reading?
My guess….they (SEC)want the entire thought of bankruptcy thrown out….period
The SEC looks like a ravenous dog in a leash trying to get to the meat a meter away! 😀
This scheme has crossed so many lines. Not just legal but moral.
These guys ( SEC ) are seeing a bigger picture of what went on then we have. I hated what this company was doing from the start…but when they are being contacted by political leaders of 3rd world countries to purposly bring this shit to their own people it’s sickening.
When they (telex self named rock stars) fly on a Jet into a poverty stricken country to promote sale of a voip package that the people there cant afford and an app that has to be used on a phone that no one there can afford….hellloooooo? Corupt leader?
So this Telex tale isn’t just about where’s the money….it’s so much more “large”. This company has placed at risk our relationships with other countries. They went to China…..Hellloooooo? Russia…..hey there….
I think the least of the Telex 8’s worries is the bankruptcy case. And when the legal system is done with them???? They’ll be begging to go to jail so they can finally …rest.
They do, and they fully expect the Preliminary Injunction to be approved by the Mass District Court…which will authorize them under Statute XXXXX.xx to act as collection agent for all who lost money through securities fraud.
Accordingly the SEC would become the largest single creditor’s agent of the Telexfree estate and asserts a priori that it would never approve any Plan of Reorganization so this whole Chapter 11 Reorganization is a load of bull caca.
Key Terms: Abstention The Nevada Court abstains from hearing the Case even if it does not transfer venue (this is seems to be a way around the statutory and legal right a company has to declare bankruptcy, I.e. go ahead but the Court does not have to hear it.
Suspend: BK Court suspends the case while the events in Massachusetts play out.
SEC also pummeled McMullin (CEO) and Runge (Reorganization consult) by arguing that given the nature of their contractual agreements neither had a fiduciary duty to the company. Total freelancers….the DOJ is not buying it.
Its a limited objection. SEC asserts that the situation may be better handled by the SEC itself or a Reciever outside of Bankruptcy…maybe depending on how things go…..so a Trustee should not be appointed Yet.
http://www.kccllc.net/telexfree/document/list/3846
I’ve not quite understood this yet. What means “abstain” here? Who go ahead, Telexfree or SEC? Does it mean the Bankrupty case is cancelled?
Think this is the way to go gentlemen. : )
Here it means that the SEC is asking the Nevada Court to refrain (abstain) from participating in the case i.e., choose not to hear the Bankuptcy case.
They have asked this because they do not want any rulings in Nevada to conflict with the proceedings in Massachusetts.
Another way of accomplishing the same thing is for the Nevada Court to suspend the BK case right now so the Mass acton can proceed without needless friction. Their fist request was for the Nevada Court to transfer venue to Mass and the motions for abstention and suspension are alternative suggestions for the Court.
Thanks for the explanation, I’ve understood it now.
I would like to remind that the Landis judge was the first to bring into discussion if it would not be better to abstain or suspend the BK case.
Maybe this means he is seriously considering that option as the best way out of that nest of hornets Telexfree has pushed him in?
What I meant is that legally and by statute an entity or company has a right under the US Constitution to file for bankruptcy. It can not be denied to them. However a Court has the latitude to abstain from hearing a case.
It may sound a lot like hairsplitting but since the court can not deny a bankruptcy petition a way has been devised so that a Court does not ever hear bad cases. This is done by abstaining. So Telexfree can go ahead or proceed with filing bankruptcy, but then the Court can abstain and not hear it.
So you see the Bankruptcy is not cancelled it just does not proceed and this favors the SEC purposes.
Landis is a darn good judge and often instructs attorneys on various approaches to solving issues. He is quite conversational. I have never seen him personally but I have read some transcripts from his Courtroom.
I gave them fair chances in both directions. It’s a fair chance the bankruptcy case will be accepted, and it’s a fair chance it will fail miserably and be denied.
The default solution is that the bankruptcy case will proceed until the opponents prove why it should be denied.
It will most likely proceed until SEC prove beyond reasonable doubt that the case has been mispresented / misinterpreted. One way to prove that is to prove the insignificant retail activity.
Telexfree simply doesn’t have the retail activity it claimed to have in the bankruptcy filings. The case has been presented in a misleading way to the court, it has been vague where it should have been clear.
I have only briefly looked at legal arguments. I focused on business logic rather than legal logic.
What was Macmillan claiming yesterday, that he projects TelexFree will make $50 mill a year in sales?
Cmon, they made $1 mill in two years, and most of that was affiliate purchases for ROI qualification!
Fancy lawyer language, but it basically means: I’m not going to rule yes or no on the bankruptcy. I’m simply going to ignore it: do nothing (let it be handled elsewhere).
In congress / parliament, a rep can vote yes, vote no, or abstain (no vote).
Thanx for clarification!!! For now I know what’s going on and the truth of TELEXFREE and all that bla bla!!!!
Can I get a clarification abt 4CORNERS Alliance Group???Is it qualified as MLM company!!???
https://behindmlm.com/companies/four-corners-alliance-group-review-longevity7-relaunch/
Search bar is at the top right of every BehindMLM webpage.
I got it!!
I want to see:
Affiliates getting their money back.
ALl the crooks and their assistants go to jail
All personal and business assets frozen, sold and auctioned and gone to the the trustee and creditors.
No happy ending for San R. Wanzeler, Merril and company. Plus all the sub-crooks under them.
Then justice would be served.