Stiforp Review: Useless marketing + recruitment
To be successful in a MLM business you have to market yourself. If someone approaches you with an opportunity claiming ‘you don’t have to do anything to get paid’, walk away – they’re full of it.
Despite the lure of a home based business, work is work and you always have to put some effort in if you want to see a return.
With that in mind, it’s no secret that not everybody looking to get into the MLM industry is technically minded.
HTML? Capture pages? Lead generation? – What on Earth is all this nonsense?!
Hoping to capitalise on this demographic, companies like Stiforp have emerged. Claiming they aren’t in competition with MLM companies themselves, but rather want to assist MLM marketers with their already existing ventures, Stiforp claim their marketing tools can help members work toward success in any online business.
The catch?
It’s all generic. In the fast paced online marketplace of today… generic just doesn’t cut it anymore.
The Company
Stiforp has an unbelievably stupid name, and it’s not the result of some crazy or intelligent marketing campaign either. Rather, company founder Nauder Khazan just decided to flip the word ‘profits’ around.
In a great example of ineffective and poor choice of a business name, as such I’ve seen Stiforp pronounced ‘stahforp’, ‘stehforp’, ‘steeforp’, ‘styforp’ and so and so forth. Nobody seems to know how to pronounce the company name properly.
And when you’re in the business of internet marketing yourself, that’s a massive fail.
Stiforp founder and CEO Nauder Khazan (photo right) has another company he runs ‘AliveMax’. AliveMax seem to retail nutrition mists and skincare products and operate with a binary compensation plan.
I’m not sure what the deal is but for whatever reason Khazan has decided to branch out and extend his offering with Stiforp.
The Stiforp Product Line
With Stiforp there’s no tangible product line per say, but the company instead offers marketing tools for its members to use. The marketing tools offered by Stiforp are as follows;
Capture Pages
Stiforp provide hosting for up to three capture pages per member. Used to generate leads, these landing pages can be used to sell any business opportunity you’re currently promoting.
Stiforp offer a total of ten different templates that can be used with each of the three capture page ‘slots’ available to members.
Capture videos with live actors
Stiforp currently offer three live actor marketing videos for its members to use on their capture pages.
With two males and a female to choose from, these videos offer a generic marketing sales pitch which presumably is so generic and non-specific that it can be used to promote most online opportunities out there.
Flash based marketing videos
In addition to the live actor videos Stiforp offers, they also provide four generic flash based marketing videos for members to use on their capture pages.
Again, these videos are supposedly generic and non-specific enough to be used with most online opportunities.
Autoresponders
When someone enters their details into one of your capture pages, you need some sort of response to be sent out. This response usually makes a call to action to get the lead you’ve just generated to do some desired action.
Stiforp offer autoresponders for each of the three capture page slots available to members.
Traffic Rotator
The traffic rotator is designed to make managing a co-op (marketers working together in a team) or managing multiple business you yourself are trying to generate leads in easier.
Basically the idea is that you drive traffic to a single web address and the traffic rotator then splits this incoming traffic how ever you set it to (usually by ratio or percentage to site A, B, C, etc).
These are the main marketing tools offered by Stiforp but the company also has provisions in place for additional Search Engine Marketing, business cards, email marketing (spam?), banner ads, e-Zines and newspaper ads.
The Stiforp Compensation Plan
The Powerline
Much has been touted by Stiforp’s members about the ‘Powerline’. In a nutshell, the Stiforp’s Powerline is a company wide downline that allows you to be paid a commission immediately after three members sign up underneath you.
The catch?
The Powerline is a once off whopping payment of just $4. Members are paid $2 for the first paid member under them in the Powerline and $1 for the second and third that join.
This appears either to be some sort of practical joke on Stiforp’s behalf, or a deceptive way to market the program, ‘join now and get paid a commission on people under you FOR DOING ABSOLUTELY NOTHING!’ etc type hype and nonsense.
FastStart Bonus
The Stiforp FastStart bonus is a once off commission paid out each time you directly recruit someone to Stiforp. Everytime you recruit a new member to Stiforp, you receive a commission payout of $25.
2nd and 3rd Generation Commissions
In addition to the FastStart Bonus, Stiforp members also receive $2 for every person they recruit enrols (your 2nd generation), and $1 for every person they themselves enrol (your 3rd generation).
Matrix Commissions
The Stiforp compensation plan revolves around a 2×14 matrix. In essence it pretty much looks like a binary organisation except it’s capped at 14 levels.
With yourself at the top, the first few levels of your Stiforp matrix will look something like this;
For each person that gets placed into your matrix (either via direct recruitment or spillover), you receive a direct commission of percentage of their ongoing monthly fee in commission.
Regardless of which star level you are at or what level new members enter your matrix, this commission is paid out at 2.5% of the recurring $9.95 membership fee ($2.48).
Note that regular distributors and 1 star members are only eligible for matrix commissions on levels 1-10 of their matrix, 2 star members are eligible for payouts on levels 1-13 whilst 3 to five star members are eligible for all levels of the matrix (1-14).
4 and 5 Star Infinity Overrides
As people are placed in your matrix, if you are either at the rank of 4 or 5 star, you qualify to earn an extra $1 per override per new member you enrol into your matrix.
If you are a 4 star member you receive $1 and if you are a 5 star member, both overrides add up to $2 per member.
I believe this continues until someone else in your organisation reaches the rank of 4 or 5 stars but I’m not entirely sure. The material I’ve sourced is vague on this point.
Matching Bonuses
Stiforp pays a matching bonus on the matrix commissions earnt by members you directly enrol up to 5 generations deep. The matching bonus is paid out as follows;
- 1 star members can earn 50% on the matrix commissions of those they directly enrol
- 2 star members can earn 50% on the matrix commissions of those they directly enrol and 20% on the first generation
- 3 star members can earn 50% on the matrix commissions of those they directly enrol, 20% on the first generation and 10% on the third generation
- 4 star members can earn 50% on the matrix commissions of those they directly enrol, 20% on the first generation,10% on the third generation and 5% on the fourth generation
- 5 star members can earn 50% on the matrix commissions of those they directly enrol, 20% on the first generation,10% on the third generation, 5% on the fourth generation and 3% on the fifth generation
The Membership Rankings System
Within the Stiforp compensation plan is a membership ranking system that starts at the ‘distributor’ level and works its way up to ‘5 stars’.
Each level carries with it a recruitment requirement but try as I might I wasn’t able to track down any specific member numbers required.
The main advantage of moving up Stiforp’s member ranks is unlocking levels 11-14 of the matrix so that you are paid a commission on these members.
The secondary advantage is being eligible for 4 and 5 star overrides.
Joining Stiforp
Those looking to join Stiforp have two paths open to them, a monthly membership and yearly membership option.
Both options carry a $40 joining fee (this covers the FastStart and generation bonuses) but whereas the monthly option is $9.95 a month, members can save 20% annually as the yearly option is a one off payment of $99.95.
The only other difference between the two options is the monthly option enters you into the company as a ‘distributor’ (meaning you only make a commission on levels 1-10 of your matrix), whilst the yearly option enters you as a 3 star members (you earn a commission on levels 1-11).
Conclusion
First and foremost there’s no retail product or service here that can be marketed to those not wishing to join the company. Secondly, as you can see above, most of the Stiforp compensation plan directly revolves around recruitment and has nothing to do with the use or sale of their products.
In essence, members join Stiforp for a fee and pay a monthly subscription. Out of this joining fee and ongoing subscription, commissions and bonuses to existing members are then paid.
Or in other words, it’s the very definition of a pyramid scheme.
Additionally with recruitment requirements in place to advance in star rankings and the difference in matrix commissions between not recruiting and recruiting a whopping $6144 a month, it’s clear that the incentive on Stiforp members is to get out there and recruit.
Note that Stiforp is currently being heavily promoted on the idea that you can ‘make up to $2047.50 a month without recruiting’, but this is a load of nonsense.
The $2047.50 figure is the maximum amount you can earn if your matrix is filled up to level 10. Given that you have access to levels 1-10 upon joining the company without recruiting anyone, this is where the marketing spiel comes from.
The problem is that yeah, you might not have to recruit anyone but at 10 levels deep your matrix has 1024 open positions (not including your own). Those slots need to be filled with members in order for you to get paid so somebody, somewhere is out there recruiting.
That said, it’s ridiculous to even consider that you are going to get 1024 positions filled in your matrix from spillover alone. Not withstanding the fact that if everybody sits around waiting for spillover (which will likely be the case after Stiforp’s prelaunch), nobody is going to get any spillover (someone has to be recruiting!).
All of that and we haven’t even discussed Stiforp’s product line yet!
As for their products, when it comes to marketing a MLM opportunity you need to brand yourself. Be it the company itself or your own personal brand – people need to be able to associate something with you and a generic marketing campaign completely eliminates that.
What’s worse, search engines slap generic replicated websites back into the stoneages and despite Stiforp’s search engine optimisation tools, these websites will not rank.
Ultimately, even with flashy videos and everything else that’s the bottom line.
And does anyone truly believe that generic websites and marketing material are going to represent whatever business opportunity it is you’re trying to promote in the best light?
These sites have to be useable with the majority of business opportunities out there, there’s no way known they can delve into any type of specifics in regard to your business. Thus from a marketing standpoint their overall usefulness is drastically reduced.
That and imagine the confusion of someone who watches one of your generic videos only to later find the very same video pop up somewhere else being used to market a completely different opportunity!
Stiforp claim that access to their marketing tools is valued at ‘over $3000’ but whilst that might be true if everything was customised to a particular business, claiming a generic video and replicated website is worth anything near that is dubious at best.
Of course none of that matters when you participate in a scheme like Stiforp as marketing an opportunity (beyond Stiforp itself) isn’t the main goal. As per the compensation plan, the main goal is to just get out there and recruit people.
These people pay their $40 joining fee and $9.95 a month subscription and as long as new members are fed into the system everybody gets paid.
Now what does that sound like to you?
All I can say is things must be pretty bad over at AliveMax if Nauder Khazan is willing to try his hand at something as blatantly dodgy as Stiforp. Best of luck to him and his members but personally I wouldn’t be going anywhere near the Stiforp opportunity.
It’s sometimes called a “feeder program”.
Basically, join this pyramid. When you “cycle out”, this pyramid will pay you to join that OTHER pyramid you really wanted to join.
People tried it with TVI Express (it was called TVI-GAT). There are plenty of other clones out there. They claim to be marketing services.
Frankly, you don’t even NEED to run a pyramid scheme to “help” people market. There are plenty of these supposed systems. it’s basically a generic template-based website and scripts you can download off almost anywhere for free, just need a PHP webhost.
There are even plenty of “marketing coaches” or “attraction coaches” or whatever they choose to call themselves (trainers, helpers, entrepreneurs, whatnot) that want to sell you “training” on how to use it. They get a cut if you buy one of these packages. It’s like remoras trying to feed off scraps leftover by a shark.
Gee, CitizenCorp was pushing this, WMI, AutoXTen, and Pyxism as their “top opportunities!”
Given Nettle’s reputation (picking TVI Express as a “winner” I wouldn’t trust his reviews.
I strongly dis agree 110% with the article above. You do not know what youre talking about. I am good friends with Nauder, he has integrity and is an honest person. And when someone (Like who ever wrote this article) is bad mouthing a person or a Company, it just shows their true colors
I dont bash or bad mouth others or their opps and Companies, and you shouldnt either. Stiforp is a great Company, they have great products and Nauder is a great guy
The guys reviews above stink! And behind mlm needs to stop all the bashing, negativity etc…
Stiforp has already paid out over $500,000 in pre launch And Stiforp is growing, getting bigger and better everyday
And if you knew Nauder as I do, you would know that he has every intention of making Stiforp the best opp for the masses
And no matter how great and good Stiforp is, you cant please everyone. You will always have the losers and trouble makers who would rather say bad things and cause trouble, then to just join with us and have success…
Whether you are friends with Nauder or not does not change Stiforp’s business model.
If a company is not up to scratch, I’m going to call it as I see it. If that rains on your recruitment parade, then so be it.
He’s also running a blatant recruitment driven MLM. A MLM opportunity where you can’t buy the products without becoming a member and where commissions are only paid out when you recruit someone to the company.
Great, more incentive for others to start up these little paper thin schemes.
Be that as it may, he’s going about it in a rather shady way.
You can if you don’t utilise a recruitment driven business model, offer no retail side to the business and only pay out commissions on recruiting new members.
Well, I suppose that’ll then upset the get rich quick scammer crowd… so perhaps you’re right.
Join you and become part of the problem of shallow recruitment driven opportunities currently plaguing the MLM industry?
Not a chance.
So your ONLY defense so far is 1) I know the guy personally and he seems aboveboard, and 2) it pays so it’s good?
1) is not really relevant
2) is a logical fallacy because a pyramid scheme works exactly the same pay: it pays SOME people.
Try again, with some REAL evidence this time.
MLM Attorney Kevin Thompson recently released a paper that laments the MLM industry’s reputation had been greatly tarnished by pyramid schemes claiming to be MLM, and urges better law and enforcement to slap these fake MLMs ASAP. Worth a read, as Stiforp fits the profile (for a pyramid scheme, really)
http://www.scribd.com/doc/13639323/Pyramid-Schemes-Saving-the-network-marketing-industry-by-defining-the-gray
When a MLM attorney says industry is messed up by scams, you know scams are a problem.
Thanks for your review.
One thing you seem to have skipped over when evaluating the value of the product at Stiforp are the autoresponders.
You get 3 with Stiforp, all having unlimited lead capability.
On aweber (which is a more advanced package yes, but for most network marketers who are not internet savy, too advanced), you pay $149 a month if you built a list of say 11,000 leads.
With Stiforp, you could have 11,000 leads in your autoresponder and still only pay $9.95 a month.
That seems pretty good value to me.
Also, looking at the Alexa ranking (a pretty good indicator of what the market thinks as a whole rather than just one persons individual thought) it seems to be stabalising and rising again after the initial excitement that always accompanies a new MLM launch.
Time will tell, but for me it looks a very solid company. They have delivered their product when they said they would and personally I think it currently looks like a very good product which therefore is also a good opportunity.
I am of course an affiliate with them and I have recently agreed with other people who say you shouldn’t really sell something unless you have bought it yourself and have experienced it first hand.
They also offer a full 3 day money back guarantee, so there’s no risk for anyone to take a proper look at the tools in detail before having to make their final decision as to whether it’s for them or not.
Anyway, I could go on, but that should help give the other side to the story for now. Thanks again for the review. It’s always good to see other people’s views on things.
Can I purchase the autoresponder from Stiforp without joining the company to participate in their compensation plan?
Does use or sale of the autoresponder by members generate commissions to other members?
At the end of the day as far as the business model goes, you’re still selling membership and commissions are paid out on this monthly membership payment.
When the use of and sale of services are detached from the compensation plan entirely, it’s pretty obvious it’s just a pyramid scheme.
If Stiforp were legit, I could purchase the service from the company as a retail customer and not participate in the MLM side of things or have people earn monthly commissions off of my membership fees.
You mentioned Aweber, they have an affiliate program too, but you can still purchase their services retail.
See the difference?
The efficacy of the PRODUCT is NOT what determines whether the opportunity is a pyramid scheme or not.
Perhaps it is, but it’s not relevant to whether Stiforp is a pyramid scheme or not.
Alexa ranking is easily faked through mass use of their “Alexa Toolbar” or through apps such as “AlexaBooster”
http://www.moneymakerdiscussion.com/forum/script-land/50371-get-alexa-rank-booster-fake-traffic-generator-fake-hit-pro-v2-2-a.html
I believe the TVI Express scam employed its use a few months back. Pumped their ranking to 6000. It’s now down to 13000.
Any way, Alexa is just a popularity contest, doesn’t indicate whether the opportunity is legit or not.
The signs you see as “legitimacy” doesn’t say what you think they say.
I have a real question for anyone who may know the answer.
If I had a matrix of 15 people but someone in that matrix quit. They still take up their spot in the matrix. They do not seem to be deleted. Do they eventually get deleted from the matrix? and if so then when?
If they do get removed from the matrix, then what happens to their spot? does it become available for the next newest member OR do everyone in your matrix automatically shuffle up to the highest available position?
Thanks in advance.
Hey Dan, Stiforp use a compressed matrix from memory.
This means periodically when compression kicks in everyone will shuffle up and dead accounts are deleted.
You’d have to contact Stiforp to find out how often they are compressing their matrix (monthly or fortnightly would be my guess).
My apologies for the my English language…
I’m from Rovinj, Croatia, Europe …
You tried to write this article for which you should have plenty of time and study Stiforp system.
Unfortunately, you are not well understood how the system works.
This your text is proof that you did not understand the system.
Explanation: I am an active Stiforp member. In my group, I have a couple of members who have not yet entered anyone. But due to “spillover” they get two or more new members under and these new members are working to enroll new members and creating a group of people.
Each new member who understand the system will enter a new people. But if it fails to start, some of the people above will enroll new people who will come under this member who has not enrolled no one.
You spend a lot of time and show many of us are not very well understood the system.
My first month in Stiforp I earned 543.29$. I have a group of 80 people in 6 country (in first 30 days). I’m enrolled 21 new members. We are all delighted with this business.
I have a suggestion for you: Join my group and pays a monthly fee (only 9,95$). I will ensure that your network starts to grow. This is my promise.
After 6 months you will be able to write whatever you want.
From experience…
Because, now you’re writing about something you have no idea
Best regards
Mladen Pejic
(supplied email removed)
Sorry what?
All I read was ‘yada yada yada 100% of the commissions I made with Stiforp was through the recruitment of new members’.
And spillover? Spillover is just somebody else doing the recruiting. You’re still earning commissions via the recruitment of others.
Total scam.
…and you even want to recruit me into your little scam network.
Yeah, good luck with that.
Hi
“You’re still earning commissions via the recruitment of others”
Yes, this is just one way of earning. What is wrong here?
Besides, I had earning because other people in my group enroll the other new members.
and, I had commision of each member in the my matrix, also.
My little “scam network” is part of one of the fastest growing network in the MLM industry.
When I said You have no idea what you are writing … You have proved it now.
Time will tell whether my network is “little scam network” or your text is “scam text”.
When a man does not have arguments to defend its positions, then began to insult.
Have a nice day
Your English is sufficient to make you understandable.
I believe you do not understand OZ’s viewpoint. His viewpoint is the group cannot register more sales without SOMEONE doing the recruiting. If NOBODY RECRUITS, the system cannot grow, and there is something fundamentally wrong with the system.
In a normal business, a store or salesperson sells product or service. They make more sales, business improves.
In a multi-level business, a salesperson sells product or service, also also recruits additional salesperson(s), and is paid commission for sales made by those additional salesperson(s). Even if no recruiting occurs (no new people join), business continues as all existing members can simply sell more products or service (work harder).
In a pyramid scheme, the only way more business occurs is for more people to join. In other words, you sell membership.
In Stficorp, when you join, you do not sell Stiforp’s services. You sell membership in Stiforp. If no more members join Stiforp, there is no other way for Stiforp to grow. You pay to join Stiforp, which gives you the right to recruit others and get paid for it. That is the very definition of pyramid scheme.
Croatia is set to join the European Union in 2013, yes? Here is European Union definition of pyramid scheme:
(cited from http://ec.europa.eu/consumers/cons_int/safe_shop/fair_bus_pract/ucp_en.pdf page 22)
You decide if the definition fits Stiforp. Remember, you are paid for people joining Stiforp, NOT for selling (or other people selling) Stiforp’s services.
And how much money are the people at the bottom of your pyramid making? How many more members do you have to recruit before they can make any money? And what about the people that they bring on board?
When no one else joins, you made money, but the hundreds of thousands of people below you all lost money. That’s why they call it a scam.
Hi Jimmy
First month in the group, except me:
– one person is earning 179$
– one person earning 108$
– one person is earning 79$
– tree person is earning 54$
The first month I had 47 people …
At the bottom of the matrix was about twenty people.
But above them is the same as twenty people.
All of us over in up line,this month hepling members on the bottom to enroll new member.
And as always, from month to month…
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As much as people at the bottom, twice as many people above them and help them enroll new people.
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On planet earth is 7 billion people…
That could be joined by only 0.5 billion people must go through 20 years !!!
My daughter will be able to enroll only for 17 years. It is only 1 year old. Several million people will be able to enroll for three years, NOT BEFORE because they now 15 years old.
Hundreds of millions of people will be able to enroll for 11 years, NOT BEFORE, because they now have 7 years old.
I think it makes no sense to mention further…
…this work has just started, in August last year…
You wrote: “When no one else joins …”
What do you think, when should get the time when no one else left … for one year, ten years or 50? Or ever…
I’m sorry if you did not understand the system, but it’s never too late…
We do Stiforp and we believe that it works…
Tomorrow I will join a new member. He goes to the bottom of my matrix. Many members above the up line will enroll new members these days. These new members are going to the bottom of the matrix. That You were at the bottom maybe you got that my member.
So, the system works…
I do not intend to convince anyone…
Check how the system works… a little math… and conclud.
My name is Mladen Pejic, Rovinj, Croatia. You can find me on facebook.
Sorry, You just waste my time.
If you think this is scam… ok, It is your opinion.
If you are interested in becoming part of a team of people who belive and works in Stiforp….welcome
If you do “a little math” as you propose, how can anyone at the bottom make money? Let’s say hypothetically that the program does miraculously stay around for 20 years and enrolls 500 million people (just for discussion).
Say I am enrollee number 256 million. Wow, there is another 244 million people to come in under me.
Let’s say I do not recruit anyone. If I am number 256 million, that far down in the pyramid, how much money will I make? Do you think the enrollee #256 million has any chance of making money from spillover?
Make the math simpler. Say you have 500 people and I joined as #256. And I happened to join a “perfect binary matrix” meaning that it is filled out completely (no gaps). The benefit of joining a “perfect matrix” is that spillover will benefit you faster since you know you are joining at the lowest possible depth of the matrix.
So I join on level 9 (where 8 full levels in binary has 255 people). By the time the matrix hits 500 people, level 9 is not yet filled. So even though I was #256, and there are 500 people in the matrix, I have ZERO spillover.
So even if your miraculous scenario of 500 million join, and they all miraculous stay active for 20 years, if I joined as #256 million, I would be making zero money from spillover, assuming a perfect matrix distribution.
The only way for someone at the bottom of a pyramid to earn is to recruit enough people so s/he is no longer at the bottom. All talk of earning is based directly on that.
@Mladen
All I see is talk about recruiting people, there is no sales of products or services.
If you have to recruit people to earn money, and this is the only way to make money – it’s a scam. Pure and simple.
It’s hilarious that you’re attempting to argue that there’s x amount of people in the world, so because it would take x years for you to recruit them all, in the meantime Stiforp isn’t a recruitment scam.
Spillover = recruiting.
Adding someone to your matrix = recruiting.
“joining a new member” = recruiting.
“enrolling people” = recruiting.
You’re the one wasting our time if you can’t comprehend that.
Oz – “All I see is talk about recruiting people, there is no sales of products or services”
Yes, we talk about recruiting people who uses Stiforp product for growing our matrix:
– Interactive Flash Movie Presentations
– Video Spokesperson on Your Site
– Lead Capture Pages
– Autoresponders
– Contact Manager
– Traffic Rotator
– Webinars
This is a products… yes softwer is product…
Stiforp is legal ethical business structure recognized and regulated by the Federal Trade Commission (FTC), Tax Service (IRS) and other state and federal agencies in the U.S., Canada, Australia, Japan, Malaysia, UK, Germany, other European countries and in Croatia also.
If you think Stiforp is scam, please contact the competent authorities for advice in your countrys.
Oz,Jimmy, K.Chang… what will happen in 20, 30 years … I do not know…
But I know that for 20, 30 or 50 years will always be people who will be able to enroll in the system
K. Chang – “Croatia is set to join the European Union in 2013, yes? Here is European Union definition of pyramid scheme:…”
Yes, I know what is illegal pyramid scheme, I am a highly educated person…
We pay 9.95$ each month for using Stiforp
products – this is not a illegal pyramid scheme!!!
Jimmy – “So even if your miraculous scenario of 500 million join, and they all miraculous stay active for 20 years, if I joined as #256 million, I would be making zero money from spillover, assuming a perfect matrix distribution.
If you join as #256 million you wold be making money if you enroll new people. Many people above will help fill your matrix.
If for twenty years were enrolled 500 million people, super… 20 years in future will be more than 9.5 billion people who not enrolled…
You want me to discuss what will happen in 20 years…
I’m not Nostradamus, and I do not know what will happen tomorrow… We works today…
People working in the MLM industry for over 50 years…
…and will work another 20,30 or 50 years… I hope so
You want to prove to people that MLM do not work…
Unfortunately, you will not succeed in that, because it works for me and 300 million people in the world…
It would be better to direct your efforts to help people to do something…
Unlike you I am helping others to create something and believe in it…
I Spending my money, time and knowledge to help others earnings money… and many people believe in it and doing the same…
I would love that my daughter can continue with it… for 17 years, because she is one year old.
I think I’ve said enough …
People are intelligent and themselves will conclude.
Yes, my English is not good…But my intentions are honorable and honest…
Have a nice day
Mladen
The issue is not whether there are products, it’s whether you are selling the products or membership to the site.
I can’t buy the products at a retail level so that means I am buying membership, and the products are just thrown in.
This also means the commissions are also generated from membership fees and not product sales, which is a no-no.
As for the rest of your crap, try to focus on the here and now. And don’t kid yourself, you’re not helping anyone by suckering them into recruitment scams like Stiforp.
We are USING Stiforp product… We are pay for using each mounth Stiforp product.
It is same as when you borrow DVD movie from the video store. You are using their product. Sam as you rent a car. You pay for using car…Want more examples…
Where the law says that we must buy the product… we using and we pay for it…
As you use and pay for a place on this server, you pay because using net to write the crap you write.
In Stiforp you must buy membership and than you can use their product and you must pay for it.. for using it…
My focus is right here and now, we are work now, today. You are asking what it hapens for 10 – 20 years. Read what you wrote yesterday!
This is not a crap, this is my opinion like opinion milions people like me. I see you’re an ordinary bullshitter with no arguments.
If you mean to insult people because of different opinions…Hey who are you… Any fool can shit on the internet…Please, learn to talk with people of different opinions.
I’m sorry because I do not use very good English.
You show, who you are…
I’m sorry that people who will listen to your views!
Have a nice days
Mladen
Yes please. Because neither a video store nor car rental pay me a commission for signing up new members to the company, regardless of whether or not they actually use the service.
Can I purchase Stiforp’s products without participating in the compensation plan?
Is there any commission tied into the actual use of the product? Or can I just recruit members into Stiforp, totally ignore the products and earn 100% of my commissions?
You know the answers…
@Oz
Here are some missing parts to the article – The membership ranking system”.
Members seems mostly to come from Brazil – and also India, Hungary, Croatia, Slovenia, Russia (based on a quick overview). I’ll guess less than 1,000 members total based on number of hits in Google.
The main focus is on the income opportunity (recruitment), but I wouldn’t call it ‘easy money’ or ‘get rich quick’. The income level can be compared to That Free Thing, as far as I could see (both ‘2×14 matrix’ and ‘3×8 matrix’ will require lots of members in downline to make a living).
Hello.
I’m in STIFORP, and this system works. I read all your comments, and no one of you said that this system has 14 levels, and when you fill your 2×14 matrix, it’s over.
So, you can have 100.000 persons you personally enroled, but those people will fill some others matrix, and you will help others. It’s the beauty of MLM in STIFORP.
Hi,
see that we can normally talk
Yes I know the answers… But You have a many questions about stiforpu.
This means that you are not well informed about Stiforp.
You can purchase Stiforp products without participating in the compensation plan. Pay membership and you can do with products what ever you want. If you not a member you can not purchase or buy any Stiforp products….
I’m sorry but we can speak 10 days like now.
I do not know what you want to prove.
Stiforp is not ilegal pyramid scheme!
If you think otherwise… addressed to the competent authorities… Go to the police, report Stiforp as an illegal pyramid. If is ilegal – then it is a criminal offense.
Help us…
__________________________________________________________
30 days before I became a member.
I was the last member on the bottom of the matrix
In the first 30 days I had 47 members
Today I have 81 members under me in 6 different countries
19 members have paid monthly membership
62 have paid yearly membership
Tell me your valued opinion…
Whether my network in future growing or not?
Stiforp is not classic network. Stiforp is a futuristic version of network marketing.
All jobs in the world evolve … the same case with MLM
This is a brand new kind of networking, and is legall…
A few days ago a ex US president Clinton just talked about network marketing…(you tube: Clinton – networking)
He said that because the Internet, networking will mark the 21st century.
Stiforp has just begun and it is the job of the future…
“You take the blue pill, the story ends, you wake up in your bed and believe whatever you want to believe. You take the red pill, you stay in Wonderland, and I show you how deep the rabbit hole goes.” Morpheus
I took the red pill!
You got so much information. Check and examine…
I wish you all the best in what you are doing…
Have a nice day
Mladen
The question is regarding whether the system is illegal, not whether it works.
MLM can be legal or illegal depending on how it compensates its users. If it’s based on sales of products or services, it is legal. If it’s based on recruitment only it is illegal.
The “gray area” ones mix the two together, and Stiforp is such a “gray area” one where there is no separation of recruitment and sales, and that makes it very likely illegal.
I am sorry, but you are contradicting yourself. First you say
then you immediately added
Do you not see these two sentences as contradictory?
If you continue to contradict yourself like you just did, absolutely.
@Tania
Fill the matrix = recruit people.
Other people fill your matrix = recruit people.
Still doesn’t change the fact that 100% of the commissions are paid out based on how many people you recruit.
That’s not what I asked. I asked ‘Can I purchase Stiforp’s products without participating in the compensation plan?‘
If I am purchasing membership and not the products (as I have already stated, but you disagreed yet have now changed your tune), then 100% of the commissions of Stiforp are paid out of membership fees, there are no product purchases retail or otherwise and it’s a pyramid scheme.
Given that membership includes the products, you are effectively purchasing membership and never any product. Membership alone is not a product. Thanks for clarifying that, it’s what has been stated all along.
Stiforp members recruit others into paying membership and earn a commission = pyramid scheme.
@Mladen Pejic
It looks like most of the products are to be used WITHIN Stiforp, and can’t easily be used in other marketing?
Retailable?
– Interactive Flash Movie Presentations. NO
– Video Spokesperson on Your Site. NO
– Lead Capture Pages. NO
– Autoresponders. YES
– Contact Manager. YES
– Traffic Rotator. NO
– Webinars. NO, they are “education”
What I mean is:
You wouldn’t BUY or RENT some of the products if you hadn’t been a member of Stiforp? Most of the software here seems to be “marketing material”?
There’s nothing wrong in paying a monthly fee for using marketing tools, but we can’t call them “products”. Normally a monthly fee for using marketing tools shouldn’t be part of a compensation plan either.
Promotional material used within a MLM-business should usually be sold at cost-price. Neither the company nor the distributors should make a profit on this kind of material.
I don’t care if they make a profit on this material, but I am trying to identify the facts. If you want a fair review then we should start with the facts.
@Oz
Compared to many other businesses you have reviewed in the last 8 months, this seems to be more “harmless”. Most people will pay $150 for a year, and in return they will get some training and experience – mostly “basic training” in internet marketing. (And hopefully they will be busy for a year, preventing them from doing anything illegal) 🙂
As an income opportunity, most people seems to have been fooled by some presentation tricks here. Most who makes any money will only make peanuts.
I compared this to That Free Thing, reviewed in April 2011. My comments there focused on the income level rather than the business model (meaning: I considered TFT to be close to legit, not worth too much attention).
I think Oz is objecting to the fact that the members are pushing for recruitment, instead of selling Stiforp’s services.
Nothing wrong with selling Stiforp’s services. Those *can* be useful. It’s the matrix plan that makes the whole thing potentially illegal, as it’s mixed up: are you selling a service, or a membership?
It should have been a straight-up “If you sell Stiforp service for me I pay you commission” type deal. That’s a straight-forward affiliate marketing. By adding this matrix to it the whole thing becomes closer to pyramid scheme than it ever should be.
Oz – “Can I purchase Stiforp’s products without participating in the compensation plan?”
1. what is the question?
You want the Stiforp products (Tools to Promote Your Stiforp Business) without participating in the compensation plan?!
Why do you want products that are used for your Stiforp business if you dont want participating in the compensation plan.
Yes, it is a LEGALL pyramid scheme.
You can start earning money without recruiting new people, but if more people enroll your earnings are higher.
You persistently trying to prove this is illegal.
You will not succeed in that.
Stiforp business is an electronic compounding …
This is something new in the world of MLM. It is legall.
So, whatever you thought about it…
I appreciate and respect your opinion… but I think and believe differently
(and a growing number of people) 🙂
Be good and successful at what you do…
Have a nice day
Yup, because that would be a true retail sale.
It doesn’t matter why I want them, stop deflecting. Can I or can’t I purchase Stiforp’s products retail without participating in the compensation plan?
Or do I have to become a member and directly or indirectly participate in the recruitment scam?
Ladies and gentlemen… I think we’re done here.
What is wrong with a legall pyramid scheme.
Many similar binary systems are Legall Pyramid Scheme.
In this pyramid all members works together, people above helps people in down line.
I think it’s ok. My new member must go on the bottom in matrix. In this way I helping my last member in matix
We all, together fill a same matrix.
What do you want to prove? Stiforp is legall.
If you think that it is unlawful, go to police report…
You can believe whatever you want to believe. Many people like me belive differently. (at least half a million people – today)
I only agree with you when you say: I think we are done here.
I do not think… I know we are done here!
goodbye
Seriously mate, legal pyramid scheme? I’m not even going to bother…
So long we can both agree Stiforp is a pyramid scheme let’s leave it at that.
Yes, we both agree… Stiforp is a legall pyramid scheme.
The best and fairest in the MLM industry…
The legislator is the one who decided what is legal and what is not …
🙂 Have a nice day
So why are you insisting Stiforp is a legal pyramid scheme then?
Ohshit wait what, you’re a legislator?
@Mladen Pejic
I believe someone has misunderstood something?
“Financial gains that derives primarily from recruitment” doesn’t specify personal recruitment. I have seen lots of pyramid schemes trying to avoid personal recruitment.
Here is the exact text:
First you call marketing material for “products”. Then you claim to have a legal pyramid scheme.
What’s next? 🙂
Since I haven’t received anymore information about the products, then I consider Stiforp to be pretty useless, and designed mostly for unexperienced beginners.
The products and services would have been worth something if they could been used in other marketing, and if they could have a continued use after quitting Stiforp. Most people WILL loose interest after a while here, usually within the first three months (even if they have paid for a year).
“Unexperience beginners” is related to the comments presented here. “7 billion people on the earth”, “Will last for 20, 30, 40 years or more”, “Legal pyramid” and similar statements are usually used to trick beginners.
Experienced users should also be able to know the difference between marketing material and products in a business, and they would have known that WE would know the difference.
WHY will people loose interest?
People will usually start to realize they have been tricked by the presentation, usually within the first 3 months of their membership. Most of them won’t be able to identify HOW they were tricked, but they realize THAT they have been tricked when it’s payday.
The trick is within people’s own mind, in how we read information and how we understand it.
No matter what percentage they pay out, or how they divide it into “residual income”, “match bonus”, “team bonus”, “recruitment bonus” or whatever, 1000 members will only generate …
* max $10,000 in monthly revenue
* max $50,000 in one time revenue (50-60 percent to members)
Dividing it into impressive looking payment-tables won’t change their ability to pay, but it will trick the brain to believe they will be able. Most people will also look for the max-amounts on the bottom line.
Most people will realize they need to recruit contineously to earn money, within a few weeks of their membership.
99 to 99.5 percent will be dissatisfied with their income within 3 months of their membership – if they joined it as an income opportunity. I have seen this happen before in similar schemes. There’s too little revenue to make enough people satisfied here. “Matching bonus” will push more money upwards in the system and leave more people dissatisfied.
The percentage won’t change if they recruit more people, most people will still feel dissatisfied after a while.
That’s why I tried to check the products. People feel less dissatisfied if they have some real interest in the products or services offered. The emotional ‘value’ of products here doesn’t seem to be able to last very long.
The Article is nonsense cause somebody who wrote it didnt get the basic fact wich Setting Stiforp somewhere close to the edge – Its probably still legal to sell a consumer product which stiforp is – after a year or month of membership members can decide whether they re-join it or not – by paying additional fees for the product itself .
And the company profiting and its FULLY LEGAL to me.
It may be CLEARLY USELESS TO YOU WHO DONT DO ANY BUSINESS but people who promoting a REAL PRODUCTS can use it and its fully up to any marketer out there if they CHOOSE TO PAY A FEE TO JOIN BEST MARKETING OPPORTUNITY OUT THERE OR BUYiNG A EXPENSIVE PRODUCT FROM COMPETITION WITHOUT JOINING THE COMPANY.
NOBODY MUST RECRUIT OTHERS TO COMPANY MAKE PROFIT – IT STILL PROFITING FROM PRODUCT ITSELF IF MEMBERS RE – NEW THEIR MEMBERSHIPS KNOWING THEY PAYED LESS FOR THEIR PRODUCT!
I am not a lawyer but that sound fully LEGAL to me. MAYBE THE LAW IS WRONG IF THATS ILLEGAL but I CANT DECIDE IT. All above is NOT MENTIONING THE BASIC FACT THEt COMPANY PROFITING FORM MEMBERS BUYING THEIR PRODUCT – not only selling the memberships.
YES IT SELLS A RECRUITMENT RIGHTS – BUT IT STILL WELL BELLOW PRICES OF COMPETITON WHICH CHARGE 25/ MONTH FOR SAME PRODUCTS
STIFORP MADE A STRATEGY TO BEAT THEM ON PRICES AND ITS FULLY UP TO THEM HOW HOW THEY APPROACH THE MARKET. AS A CUSTOMER YOU HAVE CHOICE TO USE YOUR PRODUCT RECRUIT NOBODY AND LEAVE THE COMPANY WITH KNOWING THAT YOU BOUGHT A PRODUCT TO PROMOTE YOUR REAL BUSINESS WEB PAGE or anything you wanted .
You dont have to like it you just cant going around the fact that stiforp is here to help others to succees in their REAL business affords – and if they want and RE -NEW EMBERSHIP compNY PROFITING FROM THEM DOING WELL IN THEIR OWN BUSINESS.
its like a selling a magazine that you can buy every month if you wanna continue reading – YOU might not having to buying a membership to receive a magazine but this is DIFFERENT BUSINESS which IS MOST PROBABLY LEGAL IN A TERMS OF LAW.
IN A TEMS OF LAW ITS SOMETHING LIKE
“by selling a product which OF MAJOR PART of THE fee is payed BY members for joinING the company / STIFORT HAS a 49 dollars joining fee. which is only 33% of FINAL 149-$ PRODUCT PRICE/year membership – ITS MINOR PART- THAT SHOULD BE LEGAL.
FOR INFORMATION / I MAKE A LITTLE PROMOTION FOR STIFFORP SINCE I KNOW I CAN TRUST IT FROM MY HUMAN POINT OF view (always help others to get what they want without making profit by ripping them off )
IF ANY LAWYER READS IT CAN GIVE ME RIGHT ANSWER on OFFICIAL LAW THAT DEFINE THIS SIDE OF THE BUSINEESS. – ONLY MINOR PART OF FEE IS FOR MEMBERSHIP IN COMPAny MOST MONEY YOU INVEST IS FOR PRODUCT AND COMPAMY CAN PROFIT BY HAVING HAPPY MEMBERS WHO RE JOINS.
yeah it may colapse if people wont like it and wont re joining to using their products but that is ELIMINATED IF COMPANY OFFERING SAME OR BETTER VALUE FOR PRICE THAT IS ONLY ABOUT A HALF OF WHAT COMPETITION WILL CHARGE.
ALL I WROTE NOT ONLY PROVES THAT STIFFOT SHOULD BE FULLY LEGAL AND IF NOT ITS STILL FAIR AND CLEAR TO THEM WHO JOINS – BUT ALSO THAT STIFFORP IS A GREAT Choice IN THEIR OWN LEAGUE OF COMPANIES WHO SELLS similar product .
MAKE A RANK OF ALL PRODUCTS THAT PROMOTE WHAT STIFFORP DOES COMPARE PRICE AND VALUE AND TELL WHAT comes out as BEST – STIFORP WILL BE NEAR IT IF NOT ON THE TOP
BY CHARGING A MINOR MEMBERSHIP FEE TO THOSE WHO TRYES TO SUCCEED WITH THEIR PRODUCTS BOUGHT FROM STIFORP – NOT FROM STIFFORP recruiting itself – it can take time but this will be very kool AND IF it isnt LEGAL than its FAIR TO CUSTOMERS WHO BOUGHTS IT.
ITS JUST LIKE A BOOM I CANT PREDICT THE FUTURE BUT I LIKE IT
PEOPLE WORK FROM HOME BY SELLING REAL THINGS CAN MAKE MORE BY CUTTING THEIR EXPENSES. MORE THAN YOU IN THE OFFICE WRITTING THIS **** ABOUT STIFORP. IF THEY USE THEIR MARKETING TOOL RIGHT. SO GET IT RIGHT OR FACE THE THREAD OF BEING PUNISHED BY STIFORP ITSELF FOR LYING ARTICLES ABOUT IT.
I LL TRY TO DIG THE LAW BUT I’LL PROFITING FROM IT FIRST CAUSE ITS FULLY UP TO ME IF I MAKE THEM $$$ BY SELLING STIFORP OR SHOES ON THE INTERNET – AND I LOVE IT.
@Vallenium
Selling products is definitely legal, provided of course the product itself isn’t illegal to begin with. No argument there.
But you perfectly explained the problem when applying this to Stiforp yourself:
As a Stiforp member you’re not selling products, you’re selling membership. Membership in itself is not a product and basing an entire compensation plan’s commissions off of the sale of membership (which requires recruitment) is a pyramid scheme.
Memberships are owned by members. Members need to be recruited. No recruitment = no memberships = no profit.
Except that that’s true retail and all you’re paying for is the magazine. Not membership to a company that then provides you temporary access to a magazine.
Furthermore the magazine company doesn’t pay you commissions to sign up other people to pay membership fees to receive temporary access to said magazine.
And there we have it. Thankyou for your time (the rest of what you wrote is just waffle).
Which products are you talking about? Most of the “products” I checked were marketing material for STIFORP, not retailable products. That’s why I meant STIFORP must have been designed for unexperienced people, willing to believe replicated websites are retailable products.
We call it marketing material when the “products” are designed to be used in one specific business (or in any business related to the same business).
* A video spokesperson on your website will be pretty useless (as retailable product) if the spoken message is related to one specific business.
* A Stiforp marketing website will be pretty useless if you try to use it in another business.
Autoresponder and “Contact organizer” can be used in other businesses too, so I can accept them being retailable products or services. But people clearly don’t join Stiforp to buy these services, so for most people they would have been useless if they hadn’t joined Stiforp. Lots of other business opportunities will also offer their own solutions.
The definition of retailable product is not only if it CAN be sold retail (in theory). Lots of products CAN be sold retail in theory, but in reality they are almost impossible to sell.
In general, Stiforp seems to have been designed for people willing to believe in marketing bullshit, the kind of people that only repeats what they are told and were willing to believe in themselves.
Yes I am a retail seller that beginning with develoing my own business I also can promote my own tattoo studio and still how many other internet pages selling you a membership ? and its completely “legal” and “normal” ? You never wrote about them did you ? it ‘d be a work to make a list of all
.. sure thats not what you do instead work you rather write s*t bout one and its stiforp.
Pages where you buy some membership exist millions to watch video for example AND ITS NOT ILLEGAL.
so let me ask you a quick question WTF are you and WTF are you talking about ?
have a nice day and dont forget to invest with Stiforp (Staiforp) cause its fastest growing industry well unfortunatelly (4 u ) nothing u possibly can do about it..
Clearly, you’ve yet to discover the “about” button on the top… (just answering for Oz)
As for your arguments, you clearly have nothing relevant to add, as you’re basically stating “other people are legal”. We’re not talking about other people, are we? We’re talking about Stiforp.
@Vallenium
who sells and earns a commission on memberships.
Uh… I thought you were a ‘retail seller’? Now you’re an investment broker?
Neither of which pay out commissions when you sell a membership. You selling memberships to your own business is different to you selling memberships to someone elses business and only earning a commission via the sale of said membership.
Right back at you son. The rest of your comment is near incoherent, and coupled with your obvious lack of a grasp on the English language, I’m left with no other choice than to start to question your intellect.
I feel like I’m having a discussion with some ten year old who just discovered he can make money selling memberships for the first time.
Hello Mladen Pejic,
First I sorry because my english language so poor. I just want you give me a only 1 proof a member who earn $2,047.50 per month without ever enrolling a single person.
MLM has changed over the last 5 or 6 years what may have been done back then will not work today.
Stiforp offers a freshness thats needed on the internet. You sound more like a person that has been disillusioned by MLM.
I am one of those people, what is different now is simply that I am not going to allow the past to dictate NOW today.
Stiforp will be around for a longtime it is going to allow more and more people have a better lifestyle rather than the few.
Fundamentally it hasn’t though, it’s still about the sale of legitimate products and services to customers.
the opportunity to participate in a recruitment scam, nothing more.
As it spreads like a plague from Asian country to Asian country sure (or is it still spreading across Europe?), but what about those “few” left holding the bag at the end when there’s nobody left to recruit?
The medium may have changed, but the basic model of “marketing” has not changed.
That would be your opinion… supported by what exactly?
Ad hominem attack, red herring fallacy. LAME!
I can only speak from my owe experience and say this, I joined Stiforp a little over 2 months ago. I really did not do anything with it.
Low and behold I went to my back office yesterday & found that not only do I have commissions money waiting for me; I have members who I did not recruit, I just sat on it WOW. Now I’m fired up & ready to promote Stiforp, so for all
you Nay sayers out there “Get a Life” this company is the real McCoy. I give it a ***** star salute, I truly believe they want to see people succeed. Have a great day DW
Thank you for your personal review, except you did not *care* for any of the problematic parts. All you said basically is “it worked for me”. That doesn’t prove 1) it works for any body 2) it will CONTINUE to work, and 3) it is iegal
I just love these types of discussions. So many people have such Strong opinions on what is legal and what is not legal when it comes to MLM. There are two types of MLM business models. first is a retail model second is a buyers club model.
If you actually study the MLM Laws of your state or country you will find that what makes the foundation of an illegal pyramid scheme is often intent. If an MLM combines the role of distributor and customer together this is perfectly legal.
This is called a buyers club model. The member gets access to a product or service at certain price. You can join as a member to use the products yourself and you become the end user/customer. You can also choose to recruit and get paid commission on SALES as a distributor.
If a company has a buyers club and they sell products that are obviously overpriced and is being used to “front-load” or otherwise inflate a compensation plan then the powers that be check into it and often it is closed down. The same exact structure and pay plan ran by another company with products having real value may be deemed legit.
Here is THE biggest test questions to see if a MLM is legal:
Can someone get value from the services or products without taking part in the pay plan? Stiforp: yes..many people pay $9.95 for the tools and promote another MLM. Many MLMs have great products but no marketing systems.
100% of the commissions are paid out of membership fees. It’s impossible to purchase products or services without joining the company and thus by default participating in the compensation plan.
True buyers don’t have the option to earn commissions by recruiting people, only members do. Stiforp has no customers, only members participating in a business opportunity.
Try and wriggle your way around it all you want, you still can’t escape the above facts.
Maybe you should actually *read* that a MLM lawyer says about “buying clubs” instead of whoever fed you that bullsh__
http://www.mlmlaw.com/library/guides/Primer.htm#buying
Steve
August 28th, 2011 at 5:44 am
hi steve 🙂 u did mention u are a friend of the founder of stiforp…i wonder in the website contact address, when i google it, it lead to somewhere else…
5753 G Santa Ana Canyon Road
Suite 512
Anaheim Hills Ca
92807
there is no such address in google map it leads to a cpc store address
5753 E Santa Ana Canyon Rd #512
no address G Santa Ana Canyon….. please reply this steve tqvm 🙂
About the product auto responder is this single opt ins or only double opt ins? If this auto responder is good enough why the leaders or even you of this company dont used their own product else still used aweber and get respond.
Prove that you use it by providing your link that actually use it to promote other of your businesses not the stiforp alone. With that I will buying this product without even care of the complan.
If stiforp product is only good to used in providing stiforp opportunities then this product is just fooling people around. Anyone can prove it? Or is product is useless?
work for him, thats why he doesnt want people to have doubt for this STIFORP.
i read all the comments, and laugh. there are some peoples that really defended this company (is it a company?)
lets just say if i’m the last person on earth who’s still not joining this GREAT business, and my friend try to recruit me, should i join? knowing i will never make any stiforp (profits), and i will be paying monthly payment for “product”.
that is useless in my situation (i’m the last person, who will i enroll?). so should i join the business anyway??
and what happen to the people who is the bottom of the matrix? they already paid, so should they continue paying monthly payment? knowing no one on earth is available to be enrolled? so they stop making monthly payment, they quit, why should they pay when they’re not earning. so all the people on the bottom of the matrix is gone right?
so the people who is slightly above them, is the new bottom of the matrix, so they quit too, this will goes on and on and on, until this pyramid is gone. unless the founder want to expand his company to mars or the moon.
this things will happen, because there is no product to be sell, just membership.
is it any different from other MLM? no, all MLM will end up like this, but “other MLM” members can still earning with selling company products that is either useful or consumable.
when there’s no one else to enroll, stirorp “product” that is self-promoting become useless. will u pay monthly for useless product?
Mladen, why would anyone rent a “product” that only promoting that very same product that you rent??
its like; renting a advertisement-only DVD, promoting that DVD store, renting a car, only to drive around asking people to rent a car from that same rental service, renting a server spot for your website, with a purpose of asking other people to rent from that server to..
this is the 1st time i ever see the viewers not only asking people to watch the cormercial ads, but, paying for the ads so everyone can watch it. this is twisted, i dont know what words should i use to explain the situation, hope you understand. hehe, just kiding.
sorry for my bad English,
just my opinion and comment, this is a review-page and people reviewed according to personal knowledge and understanding. this is a great review by the way, love the details, the author really do a lot of reading and understand it.
for those who’s interested in joining stiforp good luck for your team, for those who’s already in stiforp keep up the good works.. peace.
Dear “iknownothing” i read all the your comments, and laugh…
Just tell me when it should be time where you last person on earth… for 10, 20, 50 years?
just for your information, it can not happen… To become a Stiforp member or any MLM company you have to be an adult (18 years old).
It means that you’re really last man (an adult)on earth – tomorrow would be hundreds of thousands of new people who have reached 18 years… you have available to millions more people who will become an adult next month or next year… 🙂
For example; I am using Stiforp webinar (It is one of the Stiforp products that I use) to promote the tourist agency that I own, to communicate with friends… and to promote Stiforp business, Lyoness and Kyani business.
This Stiforp product is one of the best and certainly the cheapest webinar is available online.
I am in Stiforp member since 30.12.2011. I have a network of more than 700 members worldwide.
I ask you to publish my post because you refuse to publish my comments… I dont know why… or let me know why do not want.
Thanks
Mladen
So when you paid to join (0), what exactly did you get?
1) The right to use the services
2) The right to recruit others who also use the services?
3) Get PAID for doing 2)?
If you say “all of the above”, it’s a pyramid scheme, because pyramid scheme is defined by 0), 2) and 3).
The fact that you got paid actually PROVES it’s a pyramid scheme.
Dear K.Chang
Yes, it is a legal pyramid scheme… Stiforp is legal ethical business structure recognized and regulated by the Federal Trade Commission (FTC), Tax Service (IRS)… such as Amway, Avon, Herbalife, Lyoness and thousands of other companies.
It is a legal way of doing business, and I do not see what you want to prove.
MLM there are more than 50 years and there will be in future.
38 years ago some people were trying to prove that the Amway MLM illegal pyramid scheme. United States Supreme Court issued a judicial decision as a legal job.
Many of these people are no longer alive…today is Amway MLM the largest in the world…
I do not know how long Stiforp will exist but I know it is a legal (matrix) MLM.
Regards
Mladen
There is no such thing.
FTC. vs. Koscot established a very clear 4-step test, and Stiforp fits ALL FOUR STEPS.
“Legal” MLM only fits 3 steps.
Please stop demonstrating your ignorance of the applicable laws. You are only embarrassing yourself.
@Mladen
Irrelevant, the point still stands.
You’re operating on the giant fallacy that every person on Earth wishes to join a pyramid scheme. This is not the case. Come back down to reality son.
No such thing. Fail.
Regarding the comparisons to Amway, Amway has purchaseable products that can be sold on a retail level, Stiforp does not.
All you can buy is memberships = 100% commissions paid out of membership fees = pyramid scheme.
Hi
I joined this company on july this year. I waited some spillovers. There were no spillovers, so I quit. I cannot pay $10 to wait to get spilover. To breakeven i must wait 40 spillovers. Where all these will come.
So my enroller got some of my money and stiforp get the remaining and I lose $50.
Many people are like me and they are joining and leaving after a month, in fact out every 100 preenrollees only 1 or 2 join, and out of this 1 or 2 when you will get one spillovers.
When you join in one week there could be some 10000 preenrolles and some only 500 paid members worlwide, meaning the chance that i got that spillover is slim, I remain seated and waiting.
To recover my income i must by hook or by crook recruit 2 people. If i do not receive any commission for that month how i can convince someone to join..
Unless i join an extremely good team, and the person above me is recruiting people quickly and is able to convince people to join stiforp, and the two people below me also are har working and good in convincing people to join that company, then i will profit from their hard work and can expect a good amount of spillovers.
like the Mladen Pejic states that he has 700 members, meaning below 700 members there is about 700 blank space waiting to fill up. So if Mladen Pejic is a leader and recruit about some 50 people in one month, meaning that goes down and 300 new members have no spillovers. One look at the leaderboard, in one month very few people are able to exceed 50 people in one month.
The leader board shows only 50 best enroller for the month.
And the rest are very bad enroller, most are waiting for spillovers, because before joining all members are given assurance that without working they will get $2045, without any enrollment.
In my case i was faked with powerline, i thought there is 500 people in my powerline i will get $0.25 per people meaning immediate $125, later i found i got only $4.
I lose faith in the website when i got no spillovers. So i left the next month.
Stiforp work like majority of people are joining for the just one month and then they left forever. Meaning the matrix will never fill up. Because why when i am in the bottom got no spillovers continue to pay $10 every month.
Even if i got 1 spillover month, thats not enough to cover my $10 membership, I must get 40 people in my matrix to breakeven.
I will simply recommend everybody joining stiforp now, that if they join this firm be sure that you have the charisma to attract people and you can encourage them to join the firm then you will benefit otherwise you will never get anything in return.
Normally no one will pay for one year membership so majority will say i try for one month and lets see, and then they receive nothing and they left.
So stiforp has a very big labour turnover rate, and big recruitment rate. All those at the top of the ladder benefits.
Those people you see on the leaderboard will remain there till the end of that firm. All else who join now will lose their money because you will to work very hard to beuild you matrix and prevent members leaving your matrix specially those at the bottom.
Thanks
First at all, sorry to say, I am 99% disagree with the personal opinion on the top. STIFORP is proven. With cost only usd 9.95 I can generated money online even more rather than I pay for this awesome tool.
I just joined Stiforp 2 month ago but what I get is more and much over rather than what I pay. For me USD9.95 is very cheap to get all of this awesome powertool to do home based business for success online..
Imagined if you rent a shop. How much must pay a rent per-month? How much per year? But with Stiforp.. I can go over worldwide to do business just only USD9.95 per-month and only usd99.95 per-year. Very cheap but power..Thanks STIFORP.
^^ …really?
Ok, I read all of this. I am not a member of Stiforp, I was looking into it because of one thing, the products, are they good? DOes it work better than Aweber which is more expensive?
If I totally ignore the comp plan and I find value in the product and I purchase it and happy with it, it is my money I am spending, not yours, Then I would be a happy customer. If I got some commissions back on it, great.
If not, no big deal because I am happy with the product. In all honesty, I wish I could go down to starbucks and buy into a membership and make a few cents off all the people buying coffee.
I think based on how you look at it, the model is either you think it is illegal because you feel the product sucks and has no value which is really one mans opinion or you think it is just a scam to get people to join you and make a commission on every sale.
So, my question as a consumer, is the product good? I want to know if I got this, can it help me grow my other business? I want to promote a E-Book and create a capture page and send auto-responders. But I want to use a template that I can modify.
I am not a HTML programmer, I don’t have the skills to do it from scratch. But if I can use a WYSIWYG system and get great results, the $10 a month would be worth it. Don’t care about if I get compensated, but if I do for not doing anything, so be it. Not going to complain.
entirely irrelevant. This is an analysis and review of the business opportunity.
As a business opportunity, Stiforp members sell membership which makes it a pyramid scheme. There are no retailable products or services.
Looks like something is not sufficiently discussed. As I see it, there are two sides of Stiforp business:
(1) membership business,
(2) YOUR business as a Stiforp member.
With (1) a member can only earn money either by recruiting or through spill-over.
On the other hand, a member with a business of his/her own has a third source of earning, which is his/her business.
And Stiforp provides its members tools to run their business. To put it another way, the company we are talking about SELLS products.
With that in mind, I am not sure whether or not Stiforp is a scam. The best I can say, logically and arguably, the answer is depend on whether you have a real business of your own–then Stiforp won’t be a scam for YOU.
On the contrary, if you rely solely on the membership side, Stiforp is a scam for YOU.
To sum up:
Stiforp sells products AND membership, both can make you money.
For those who see it a scam, please look into your heart then find there that the world is never perfect.
For those who say it’s NOT a scam, please try not too hard convincing others. If you know you are honest and you know you ARE–that would be enough. Just keep going.
There are always at least two sides in every thing we see. Can’t make it one. 🙂
Best to both sides!
This “side” being a pyramid scheme makes all other sides irrelevant.
The fact is the company sells products which are supposed to be used as marketing tools. It means people should have their own businesses to join Stiforp. Otherwise it’s a pyramid.
But then again that isn’t enough to deny the fact mentioned above.
I am not a member of Stiforp. Just trying to give contribution to the discussion with objective reasoning. 🙂
Happy New Year and GBU all!
memberships and pays a commission out on the acquisition of new affiliates on multiple levels.
That is all that is relevant here and is the textbook definition of a pyramid scheme.
You can bundle whatever you want with membership in MLM, but if membership is all you’re selling you’re never going to be legit.
That is objective analysis without all the marketing crap.
It is so much fun reading your conversation guys 😉
Well, you can decide who speaks with more truth yourself. 🙂
OZ and others,
I am not trying to defend Stiforp but It looks every MLM or Network marketing business has a pyramid scheme. I am in Forever Living, QNet, GNLD, Huashen and Oriflame, You earn from recruting members, commissions from their recruits, and commisions from your and their sales.
By the way there is no any and will never be any network marketing you can buy anything from them if you are not a member, or else you will have to buy from a member. What Stiforp is doing is exactly what other MLM do or else it is not MLM.
So friends MLM businesses are all pyramid schemes. what we need to do and know is is it legally registered and working. Stiforp is legal as according to my research.
If there is any MLM business you can buy their products or services without being their member then tell me I will go join but mark my words there is no such MLM. every MLM needs you to recruit and you will earn from you work.
By the way until this moment I know only stiforp which can help even a person who did enroll anyone earn something. The last person in the downline do not earn any thing unless you directly sell something.
Linus.
Stop joining recruitment driven pyramid schemes son.
Oz
All MLM are like that, non is not like that.
You need more education on MLM.
Linus.
…this is almost as bad as that “selling memberships isn’t recruitment” guy.
Ah well, I’ll leave it here as a testiment to lolpyramidschemeexcuseslol.
Legal businesses have retailable products or services, sold to external end users (“consumers”), as the main source for revenue. Stiforp doesn’t meet that criteria.
Pyramid schemes will usually have an “unlimited” right to recruit new distributors, and to get paid for the recruitment. Legal businesses will usually have a very limited right to recruit new distributors, and you can earn commissions INDIRECTLY when a distributor in your downline makes a sale to a “consumer”.
“Consumer” CAN be someone on autoship, but normally it should be minimum 50% sales to external customers, people who don’t have any status as “distributor” or “affiliate”. Internal consumption is a so called “grey area”.
“Legally registered and working” doesn’t tell you anything about whether a business model is legal or illegal.
My body by vi business you do not have to be a member to purchase products. That is a MLM company.
That is in reply to the person looking for a MLM business were you can buy products but not join. No autoship required either.
Hello @ All. Great discussion.
I also use Stiforp. And I think it’s awesome. It’s more than fair that Stiforp has a compensation plan. They could still have the power to win market leadership position without any compensation plan.
What I like most about Stiforp are so things like personalized landing pages, one of the planets finest webinar rooms, the phone burner and so on. I mean, there’s no landing pages what replace a home page with top-level domain. But if someone starts with its own product, then they can start with Stiforp´s personalized landing pages even before a website is build.
Advertising platforms have to use anyway. There you can also specify the link to the landing page. The rest is salesmanship. A website alone is not a business.
Striforp offers all the tools that a good sales person will love to convert prospects into customers, to inform them, to keep in contact. Every good salesperson knows that the customer should have the feeling of closeness, and that you need the skills to build confidence.
Some claim Stiforp is not a real product. Who is trapped in old ways of thinking and has not noticed the change in the software industry may think so. Fact is, the entire software industry is in for a change.
So far we bought software, installed it on our computers and use it. Question: Were you ever in your lifetime, the owner of the software with which you work? No, never. We have only acquired the right to use. Microsoft, Apple, Adobe, Quark and so on, are still the owners.
And they are all about to change the playing field. It will not be long and we will not get any software on CD/DVD or to download.
Sooner or later it will all go on as Stiforp. We pay a registration and fee. We have all the functions on the screen. But the software that we use is on the servers of the manufacturer. Adobe offers this and it will soon be Photoshop, which works like this. This will be standard in the future.
And it is so much more economic, as CDs and downloads. There is no piracy, no illegal copies. It’s awesome.
Why get so many people upset over pyramids schemes? Pyramid schemes we encounter every day! The addition products of banks, such as insurance or many investment products are not bank products. It’s pyramid selling, as in the MLM business.
Insurance companies have pyramid schemes. Car dealers are pyramid schemes. The only thing that differentiates MLM is the fact that anyone can enter.
The legally permissible, but by the way of working the most perverse pyramid system, a real snowball system. is the Fiat money system of the FED. The interest and compound interest system is the worst pyramid scheme that the world has ever seen. In comparison, MLM is like an innocent baby.
Yes, you can also buy the tools individually from some other companys and services, even find free tools. But these are all individual applications. That costs a lot of time to run it and use it. With Stiforp I have them all under one roof.
Stiforps webinar rooms are more worth in the month, as the annual costs for the use of Stiforp.
Best regards and many success to you all. And sorry for my naive english language 🙂
But they do, which makes your entire comment pointless and irrelevant.
Paying out on membership fees in MLM and not the retail sale of products to customers? Pyramid scheme.
Your English is fine, it’s your arguments you should be apologising for.
So why don’t they? And this is pure SPECULATION by you, yes? Do you join for the product? Or do you join for profit for SELLING the product? Are you buyer or seller? Are you confused?
And who said they don’t?
Who is “some”?
But Stiforp does not sell software… They sell remotely hosted services like landing page and autoresponders, which has been around for DECADES. So what the **** are you talking about?
You are very confused between pyramid scheme (which is illegal) and pyramid-shaped organization (which is more properly called hierachical organization) as you can’t tell the difference.
You also managed to mix up Ponzi scheme vs. pyramid scheme.
Your written English is fine. What you need is English COMPREHENSION lessons, as you wrote grammatically correct sentences that contains logical errors, and that has nothing to do with your English proficiency.
@OZ and K. Chang,
Thanks for your answers. I will answer your comments. Please give me some time. I have bookmarked this page for later. Now, i have just no time and maybe we have different day and night times.
To your success with best regards,
Karl Otto
Pleas am grateful for the discussion so far. I am now more informed about STIFORP,and derived a host of info.I have been desiring to join for a couple of days now.
It is true that it may be genuine, legal or authentic but it may be different from trustworthiness, my question or my doubt is :is STIFORP really trustworthy?
Please someone answer me or convince me for me to join right now.
Your going to place trustworthiness over it being a recruitment scheme?
Uh… good luck with that son.
Madoff was “trustworthy”… right up until he admitted he ran the biggest Ponzi scheme in US history (in terms of dollar amount).
My personal opinion is you picked the wrong criteria.
For those calling it a “legal” pyramid scheme. How can you be foolish enough to say that. Just saying those words makes your statement a contradictory one.
Also the definition of the word scheme sounds fairly diabolical. It means an impractical plot. Why would a legitimate business want to have that word merely related to the agenda?
I’m just saying its not legal because the only thing the company sell you is software designed for the sole purpose of recruiting potential “consumers” either way the arguments of the pro STIFORP users are extremely redundant.
I would encourage everyone to do your due diligence and do your own research. I did mine and was quite impressed with Stiforp. I started a few weeks ago and they do pay 100% commission and what can beat residual income.
You can debate all day if you choose I took action and that is key. At the end of the day when you have bills to pay who has to pay it. well there you go .. we all have 24 hrs per day use it wisely..
Not claiming that the publisher of this review has ill motives however one can complain, find faults, or be skeptical about anything but remember one important don’t let anyone make you look back and cause you to regret a decision you should have made.
So as long as you get paid, who cares where the money comes from right?
Ironic that that’s pretty much the ode of pyramid scheme participants once they collapse. This blog is littered with people like you post-collapse lamenting on their poor decisions.
One thing you are clearly overlooking is accessibility, simplicity, and user friendly. Stiforp is offering such a product and that is why the company is growing so rapidly.
You Join stiforp and is not left alone to wonder what’s next because they give you excellent support. Even quitting is easy if you choose.The products being around for a long or short time does not matter, It’s how everything is put together making it possible for the little guy to actually succeed online.
The inventions that are improved upon and does well in the marketplace is mainly because it has a mass appeal and usually make things easier for the average person. (Ozedit: Offtopic spam removed)
All of which have nothing to do with the issue of affiliate recruitment or the payment of commission upon said recruitment.
I don’t tend to waste my time focusing on irrelevancy.
…and are paid to recruit. That’s all that’s relevant here.
That shouldn’t be any problem. Stiforp had a “pay for 12 months” incentive. Quitting isn’t any problem, but getting your money back is another story. 🙂
I analysed the so called “products” for retail value more than a year ago. Most of it is actually “marketing material”, not retailable products. So they are not commissionable either in MLM.
Retailable?
– Interactive Flash Movie Presentations. NO
– Video Spokesperson on Your Site. NO
– Lead Capture Pages. NO
– Autoresponders. YES
– Contact Manager. YES
– Traffic Rotator. NO
– Webinars. NO, they are “internal education”
The fact that people BELIEVE marketing material actually are tradeable products or FEEL it is “valuable” doesn’t change the fact that it really is internal marketing material. We will need to look at the realities rather than people’s “belief systems”.
Stiforp can charge a monthly fee for using the marketing material, but it can’t use it to pay out commissions.
The only excuse is that the monetary amount for each participant is very LOW (unless they have changed something). That makes it more believable that SOME people are joining it for the services rather than for the opportunity.
I’m pretty sure the average Stiforp participant have exactly ONE directly recruited in downline. If you add a “fake it till you make it” idea to that, most people will claim to have hundreds of people in downline and be highly successful.
It’s the realities that counts, not all the misleading claims made up by people. And the average person in Stiforp has only ONE directly recruited, plus a few people in downline (I haven’t calculated how many).
Please be SPECIFIC about that “mass appeal”? Which of the products have that appeal?
– Interactive Flash Movie Presentations.
– Video Spokesperson on Your Site.
– Lead Capture Pages.
– Autoresponders.
– Contact Manager.
– Traffic Rotator.
– Webinars.
If you have visited a few websites with interactive spokes persons you know perfectly well that effects like that are really annoying. Replicated websites will get “punished” by search engines (they don’t like to show duplicate pages in the same search result, unless people actually are “asking for it”).
Contact Manager and AutoResponder have some practical value.
Lead capture pages are annoying, but they CAN be used to filter people. “The more info people are willing to fill out in a contact form, the easier they will be to recruit”. You can’t use it to anything other than recruitment and selling coaching lessons (or similar lessons where you join a “guru” or a “leader”).
So again, please be more specific about the “mass appeal” you feel it has, and how well it meets people’s expectations. Please use normal people as examples, if you’re using examples.
I can imagine SOME people feeling attracted by the idea of having a video spokes person on their websites. It’s typically the same people who are attracted to other types of “effects”.
Let me be more specific. When I say mass appeal I am basically referring to those who are involved with home based business and those looking to become a part of such a growing group.
Stiforp offers the kind of service I believe will be highly liked and used in the near future and there is a reason for that.
Interesting how you gave some credit to some of stiforp products… looks like you are having a change of heart.. lol
What Stiforp offers is irrelevant, as an MLM company affiliate membership is all that is sold. Affiliate membership is not a viable product, regardless of what is bundled with it.
My review was written in August 2011. The only people using Stiforp’s bundled services are those participating in the income opportunity, earning commissions every time they recruit someone new into the scheme.
SO…………..Ive been getting spam calls – UGH ! From the guy whom sent me the original email or spam or whatever & now I cant get rid of him….every now and again I get this like desperado call, almost like a THREAT. (You know the kind!)
“Don’t be that person left kicking yourself when your billionare friends jump the gun on you….” or “This wont be up long so jump on it NOW!” etc etc etc bullcrap.
My guy told me it had only been around two months. I now see that’s its dating all the way back to 2009?? what the heck!? ok, im out! Thanx for the review! You saved me grief
SMW
STIFORT Profits is a fucking mlm pymarid SCAM for the owner of the website.
Like all MLM”s, the owners of these MLM websites are the people that get very rich off everyone who signs up and pays monthly plus the admin fee.
funny, what many here including the author is doing is slamming MLM. Fine, but that doesn’t make Stiforp or any similar program illegal or a pyramid scam. They offer a real service, people marketing anything online need.
If the client doesn’t want to participate in the income side, they just use the system and don’t promote it! btw, I’ve been in the tools business and owned my own small software business and Stiforp does offer a ton of benefits, easy for anyone to set up vs. the cost and time to do it all on their own or pay a Webmaster and designer to do it.
It doesn’t matter if you choose to get paid to recruit others or not, or just use the platform. I mean, that’s MLM in a nutshell regardless and it works very well for millions of us around the world.
Does it work everyone? Of course not, name a business, investment, or even a job this day and age that’s a no-miss. It’s no different than an insurance agent recruiting sales reps and getting paid on their efforts after training and mentoring them. If it was MLM would be illegal entirely.
I think the confusion comes in with true pyramid schemes, and they are still out there, that don’t offer a legitimate product or service. HUGE difference, and company by company they’ll continue to get shut down, and for good reason.
Slamming anything, funny or not, doesn’t make anything a pyramid scheme. A business model and recruitment-driven compensation plan does, as deployed by Stiforp.
Choosing to promote the opportunity or not is irrelevant, they still have access to the income opportunity and are thus affiliate participants.
Ergo, with nearly 100% affiliate participants providing revenue for Stiforp, the opportunity is clearly a pyramid scheme.
Agreed, as above.
No, it isn’t. It’s a distorted view of MLM perpetuated by pyramid scheme hucksters like yourself.
There is no confusion. Plenty of pyramid schemes “have a product or service”. In fact every major one shut down over the last ten years has had one. Welcome to age of online pyramid schemes.
Slamming? I have 2 comments in the last 8-9 months (September 2013, #93 and #94).
If they’re slamming something, they’re slamming vague marketing statements. And that’s exactly what you should expect here.
I was invited to stiforp by a friend today.
First I thought it to be nice idea, but when I recognized that you can’t join for free but need to set up a membership with costs, I came to the conclusion that it’s only another sample for the worst kind of scam, especially as they don’t even reveal what they have to offer …
I can only give all of you the advice to refrain from joining: better spent your money on real and serious business opportunities …
There is a lot of to and fro here about Stifrop. I can tell you I have been a for member for three years, paid to upgrade to Star 3 level and have no be able to recruit anyone.
I have never received any spillover, no one in my genealogy and never been paid anything. I do have $4.00 credit, after three years!
I joined SFI and got paid in the first month! I am about to hit the ‘opt-out’ button, and put my $12.00/mth I pay to something that’s does reward your efforts.
How is this stiforp going on?
I find a similar way of earning. Just want to confirm is it a scam?
So did the new members lost their money if they Neely join?
Traffic to Stiforp’s website is so low SimilarWeb doesn’t track it. This one collapsed years ago.