OneCoin try to extort German cryptocurrency blogger
The news of Germany’s top financial regulator deeming OneCoin illegal has sent shock waves through the OneCoin affiliate base.
This has OneCoin management spooked, with the latest ploy a desperate bid to have independent coverage of the ban removed from the internet.
As a number of publications were, Coinspondent closely followed the German regulatory crackdown on OneCoin.
Able to reach a core audience of German readership and the wider cryptocurrency audience, OneCoin identified Coinspondent’s reporting of developments as a major threat to their business model.
Over the last week Coinspondent was sent two letters from two separate law firms, demanding he “pay up, or else”.
The first letter was sent on April 25th and takes issue with Coinspondent’s article “Bafin prohibit OneCoin in Germany”.
Claiming to represent “the legal interests of OneCoin LTD”, the law firm Schulenberg & Schenk claim Coinspondent’s reporting of Bafin’s OneCoin ban is “false facts”.
Our client is neither forbidden in Germany nor has BaFin interfered with their business in Germany.
Also the facts do not correspond with the allegations that alleged investors were preyed on and each day they lost about one million Euro.
Granted BaFin’s complete ban on OneCoin wasn’t issued until April 28th, but the regulator was pretty clear it wanted OneCoin to cease business in Germany prior to the 25th.
According to BaFin there are some 25,000 OneCoin victims in Germany, with combined losses of over $425 million dollars.
All nonsense apparently, according to OneCoin’s lawyers.
Without providing any proof, Schulenberg & Schenk insist OneCoin is a real cryptocurrency based on a blockchain. They also deny OneCoin is part of an organized crime racket.
Along with removal of Coinspondent’s coverage of BaFin’s OneCoin ban, Schulenberg & Schenk are demanding payment of €1440.40 EUR.
If Coinspondent don’t pay up by May 9th, OneCoin are threatening to take the matter to court.
The second legal letter is from the firm Lampmann, Haberkamm & Rosenbaum and dated April 26th.
Lampmann, Haberkamm & Rosenbaum claim Bafin’s OneCoin ban is “unlawful and already the subject of legal proceedings”.
OneCoin are going to take on Germany’s largest financial regulator? Ho ho ho!
Obviously Lampmann, Haberkamm & Rosenbaum fail to provide any case numbers or evidence OneCoin are challenging BaFin’s decision, beyond shaking down independent publications for money.
The law firm is upset that Coinspondent’s articles covering Bafin’s announcements “leave no room for the assessment that the process is in the preliminary stages”.
How that changes BaFin banning OneCoin in Germany, who knows.
Surely if OneCoin manage to legalize Ponzi schemes in Germany and overturn BaFin’s decision, Coinspondent (as well as BehindMLM) would be quick to cover it.
Lampmann, Haberkamm & Rosenbaum meanwhile claim merely reporting on BaFin’s current announcements is “unlawful”, and demands Coinspondent remove all coverage.
Amusingly, Lampmann, Haberkamm & Rosenbaum go on to state they welcome criticism of OneCoin, but then also trot out a list of articles critical of OneCoin they claim various German publishers have removed at their behest.
Noticeably absent from the list are any major news publications covering the BaFin ban.
The law firm does claim “court proceedings” have been initiated against other publications, but again provides no evidence.
As a precautionary measure, Coinspondent have taken down their coverage of Bafin’s OneCoin ban.
The author of the blog is currently mulling whether to leave it at that and stop reporting on OneCoin (and pay the €1440.40 EUR extortion fee), or file a lawsuit against OneCoin and go on the offensive.
If I may, from one publisher to another, offer a third solution?
Call OneCoin’s bluff and send them a copy of BaFin’s April 28th crystal clear ban of OneCoin in Germany.
OneCoin are of course free to challenge BaFin in court, but that will see them forced to open up their books to the regulator – which obviously isn’t going to happen.
Reporting on BaFin’s public announcements isn’t “unlawful”. Nor is it unlawful to see the regulatory ban within the context of OneCoin’s fraudulent business model.
I’m not a lawyer, but it seems preposterous that a German court would rule otherwise.
Let’s face it. The money to pay affiliates has run out and regulators all over the world are taking similar action to BaFin. If the London police pull the trigger over the next few months OneCoin is over.
This isn’t a company you should be taking legal threats from seriously.
Update 1st September 2018 – As per an August 31st update from Coinspondent, a hearing for the case was recently held.
I can not reveal any details, as there are still legal deadlines. Only this much: If the decision made yesterday will be final and final, I am very satisfied.
Full details are expected in October. Sounds however like common-sense has prevailed and reporting on the facts isn’t “unlawful”.
I’m currently going through the Gerlach Reports’ latest on the Steinkeller Brothers’ violence. Standby.
Guy’s do not make any illusion, this is part of their exit strategy, now they can say that the governments did pull down the OneCoin system and it’s not their fault!
They pulled so much billions of euros, they could have had the best IT consultants and best crypto guru’s on their project, there was from the start no intention to do this, it was set up to fail from the start.
OneCoin did shut down all way’s of getting cash in and out to prevent any question in court to have to show their blockchain, 1 October was the big deception day many leader pulled out already after not seeing the blockchain.
The nr1 in the world has nothing too loose, with his health condition every day is bonus, he will be somewhere in Africa spending your money, thanking you for helping with his exit strategy.
mike poppel, a onecoin top leader of germany, posted on facebook 6 hours ago:
can anyone who has access to the german onecoin dashboard share what crock onecoin corporate has stated about Bafin’s ban?
short of saying they’re challenging Bafin in a german court, anything else will be just ‘posturing’ and some ‘noise making’ to soothe affiliates.
onecoin should merely Register itself as a financial business in germany and continue it’s business. what is the fear when it is completely legal and fashioning the reserve cryptocurrency of the world? right?
ONECOIN OFFICIAL RESPONSE TO BaFIN SENT TO VICTIMS IN GERMANY VIA BACK OFFICE:
Once a Ponzi scheme gets to a “the regulators are wrong! We don’t xxx, we yyy!”, it’s already over.
Traffic Monsoon (ads), Zeek Rewards (penny auction bids), TelexFree (VOIP) etc. etc.
ATTN: TIME TO GET ONECULT BANNED FOR FRAUD FROM ALL SOCIAL MEDIA!
(Ozedit: This isn’t the place for that)
ORLY??
well then onecoiners of germany! please sell onelife educational packages without any onecoin tokens!
i’m sure deutschland is overflowing with buyers for ruja’s freely available/ plagiarized/overpriced education courses.
raise your hands onelife ‘only education’ sellers!…… well duh, i don’t know how to count to zero.
^^ that’s ruja telling you onecoin dumbasses that she’s shut shop in germany. she’s saying tata, screw you, you’re not getting any more money from her in germany.
she’s not going to fight Bafin. she’s slunk away like the reptile she is.
haha this is the biggest farce so far ive seen…
Now the are putting all focus on Germany. What about India. No comments fron OC or Ruja on the arrests in India. It never happened… Is she going to extort the Indian authoritys as well…. Sure.
Where is Pablo by the way? Still among the CRIMINAL GANG, OR???
Wating for further clarification about the banned Macau event. Guess that would be the drop…
Sent a mail to gerlachreport. Perhaps they can dig up some more info about the Macau Criminell Event, whether it will take place or not.
For the blackmail letter proper approach would be to say he is only repeating the BaFin official statement. As soon as they get the BaFin to remove the statement from the web, he’ll remove the post and apologize.
No payment involved as they sure as hell won’t go to court.
My 2c.
@Otto.Your and Oz’s approach seems the best.
The Blogger needs alot of advice so I hopes he pops in here now and then.
Tim needs some help as well. Hes been blocked for 24 hours on social media. Guess its the VillageIdiot behind it
Heres the link: mobile.twitter.com/ezcoinaccess?lang=en
As Ari Widell said and I agree: “There’s no court in the world that can seriously start weighting the depths of economic losses to an international ponzi scam.”
The legal threats by OneCoin are totally ridiculous. OneCoin DOES NOT want in reality to go to court. I know infact one case where OneCoin has actually paid, so that they wouldn’t have to go to court.
Everybody knows that nobody in reality buys education, everybody buy packages because of tokens and splits. There are 5 different high priced pakcages including all the same max “education”, but the price, amount of splits and tokens are different. There’s no way that the selling point there is education.
All these packages have the exact same education:
https://twitter.com/CryptoXpose/status/847204485701230592
I’m also preparing a YouTube video about this same thing.
@MOI – latest on the India arrests – EOW investigating further, appointing team of 10, holding those arrested for at least a few more days:
thehindu.com/news/cities/mumbai/police-custody-for-one-coin-scam-accused/article18315481.ece
Oh, OneCoin is trying to censor the media. Looking at recent press reports, multiple bloggers got such case and desist latter.
The end is coming, … law enforcement around the wold is investigating 🙂
I agree Dumddumm – this is almost certainly the end – after a few false dawns !
Wouldn’t the best way to push it over the cliff be for loads of “top leaders ” to be arrested on video. Preferably by the City of London Police in the UK or the ultimate at a world event when they arrest the good Doctor ?? Once that’s on YouTube even the most hardened brain washed will have to question the validity of the product ?
And OC is perfectly placed to throw all the blame to financial regulators and governments who caused the collapse and there will be plenty of people who continue to believe it’s a conspiracy and not OC’s fault.
And best of all for OC once it collapses there’s millions of KYC records to commit much more mass fraud with………
I did read the two case and desist letters just now, and to be honest: i am shocked, in any regard for multiple reasons:
1) One letter was 8 pages long, eight pages, with a lot of nonsense in. Bot attorneys should loose they approval asasp.
2) Of course it is allowed to report about a company, especially if a official authority issues a case and desist order. We have freedom of press in Germany.
3) The attorney is claiming that the BaFin press release is not legal as well.
4) The other attorney wants that the blogger buys attorney fees for defending OneCoin, up to 1000 Euro (yes, for the letter he wrote).
5)One attorney claims to write for Ralf Paulick who is a OneCoin IMA and the OC Community. What a nonsense.
Last but not least:
One-coin has been forbidden in Germany, that’s a simple fact. If you see someone selling OneCoins or products on the so called OnlineShop deal shaker feel free to report this to the German authorities/law enforcement.
And to be honest, OneCoin looks to me like a sect/cult, especially after watching some videos. The members seems to be brain washed.
And yes, dear attorneys and RA’s, this comment falls under free speech pursuant to the United States Constitution, many state constitutions, and state and federal laws. I don’t know about the Situation in Germany, but looks like there exists no real free speech in Germany. Sad, really sad!
Mag. Juggens
Over 8500€ in BTC already sent to CoinSpondent for legal case in just 36 hours. Crypto community is pissed and crowd-funding against Onecoin a-holes.
SOURCE: coinspondent.de/2017/04/30/bitcoin-vs-onecoin-der-stein-kommt-ins-rollen/
YAY!!! I am so happy. And pissed because of this OneCoin stuff. But looking at his FAQ he needs at least 10k, so he still needs a bit.
But by donating, we are not just defending BitCoin but also freedom of press, free speech, etc.
Remember: OneCoin misuses BitCoin by claiming it is like BitCoin but it will be a big success because centralized.
@Mag.Juggens maybe the arrested Onecoin Leaders in India can do a similar campaign with their affiliates and company to find their actual Legal Defense against the govt using Onecoins?
I’d be perfectly happy to throw my money at anyone who is seriously in legal problems with Onecoin. But these lawyers letters are toilet paper.
If Onecoin issue proceedings against anyone I will contribute. But they won’t. They dare not
Everyone receiving any legal letter from tinpot lawyers should simply write must try harder on it in red pen and return it.
And I’ve done that in previous litigation…..
Great advise alterego.
@TimTayshun: There are millions of dollars on OneCoin’s bank accounts, i don’t believe they need to start a crow founding campaign. But legal defense in India is hard, in Thailand almost impossible.
@alterego: Ignoring the case & desist letters *in Germany* is a bad strategy. If you do so, it is really easy to get a interim injunction.
You can play a lot of nasty games under german jurisdiction. A so called “Abmahnung” isn’t the same as a case & desist letter under US law.
And the blogger is writing, if no money is needed he will refund it to the donators. It is also a good signal for the world that the coin community does not support OneCoin.
@MAG –POST 19 Whatt do you mean that Bitcoin is centralised-the whole difference is that it is decentralised and open sourced.
@cryptokill
Re-read, please. He said that OneCoin is centralized.
The blogger got a new “Abmahnung” from the attorney… looks like the law firm isn’t giving up. Well… we will see in a few days if the case goes to court.
Not sure how the law works in Germany, but if I were him, and it was allowed, I would subpoena one of the regulators from BaFin to come and testify on my behalf. Especially since they are claiming that BaFin acted illegally.
August update from Coinspondent, re. case hearing.