Global Information Network Review: MLM or a cult?
If one was to solely look at the purported benefits of joining a company like Global Information Network, the benefits at first glance seem quite impressive:
How to make money and create wealth.
How to invest and trade in equities, commodities, and currencies.
How to invest in real estate.
Asset protection, setting up trusts, foundations, and corporate structures.
Raising money, getting credit, financing and venture capital or investors for business ventures.
Opening offshore bank accounts.
Getting a second passport.
Buying and investing in gold and silver and other precious metals.
How, where and when to invest for maximum profits.
New ground floor business opportunities.
How to get out of debt, fix bad credit and increase credit scores.
How to set up and prosper in home based businesses.
How to buy real estate with little or no money down.
How to make money in mail order, TV infomercials, direct response marketing and internet businesses.
How to develop wealth and secure retirement.
How to get grants that never have to be paid back.
How others have turned a $1,000 investment into millions of dollars in just a few years.
How members have made investment returns of 300% -3,000%.
How to use the law of attraction and other advanced techniques to have, be or do everything you desire.
How to attract things into your life such as a new car, better job or career, a lover or better relationship or even better health.
How to develop emotional well being, be happier, more fulfilled, eliminate depression and anxiety.
How to overcome fears, phobias and insecurities.
How to remove blocks and feel happy whatever the financial or emotional climate you are facing.
How to feel powerful, and in control with all people and in all situations.
How to read energy, virtually read people’s minds, expand your psychic ability and predict the future.
How to gain confidence, and a feeling of security and certainty in life.
How to get people to like you.
Dramatically improve your health and learn the natural non drug and non surgical ways to cure and prevent virtually every disease.
You will learn the closely guarded secrets of various secret societies and what really goes on behind closed doors in these powerful controlling groups, and how it could affect you and your future.
How others have raised $10k cash In 24 hours and made over $100k cash in just 90 days.
How to create a perpetual money making machine, giving you a permanent monthly residual income from various sources from around the world.
How to save up to 70% off most of the goods and services you are currently buying from year to year.
How to maintain an inner sense of calm and control, whatever the outer conditions you are facing might be.
How to get trips, vacations, and cars for free or at dramatically reduced prices.
You will have inside information on the unexplained, unidentified flying objects, and things like extrasensory perception or psychic phenomena.
Some of it sounds suspiciously dodgy, some of it sounds ridiculously absurd and some of it reads more like what you’d expect to find in Scientology marketing material than an offering from a bonafide MLM company.
Undeniably however, Global Information Network is definitely one of the more interesting MLM opportunities I’ve taken the time to look at. Read on for a full review.
There is no specific information on the Global Information Network about who runs or owns the company.
Instead, trying to pass themselves off as some sort of exclusive cult, Global Information Network provide only the following information on their owner(s):
The Global Information Network (GIN) is a Multi-Form Foundation organized in the country of St. Kitts and Nevis. It was conceived by a group of individuals from around the world who are the highest ranking members of several private societies, associations, clubs, and groups whose membership has been exclusive to the privileged elite class of the world.
This group includes members of:
-The Bilderberg Group
-The Council on Foreign Relations
-Yale University’s Skull and Bones
-The Trilateral Commission
And several other elite international societies
The individuals who conceived and helped organize the Global Information Network (The “GIN Council”) are, and will always remain anonymous.
For the first time in human history, the highest ranking members of these “secret societies” have encouraged the formation of a new, private, member only group.
A group that allows people who do not qualify to become members of the above listed societies to join together, and be exposed to the same secrets revealed and taught to members of those societies and clubs.
Yeah, sure thing guys.
Whilst making wild vague claims about who founded Global Information Network might satisfy a few gullible prospects, these days it just doesn’t cut it. If you’re going to run a MLM business opportunity you need to be upfront and transparent regarding who is running and owns it.
Anything less is just insulting to anybody looking to sign up and whilst I understand the marketing technique of exclusivity being used, the reality is that such all such vagueness does is make Global Information Network come off sounding like some kooky cult.
As always, if a MLM company is not openly upfront about who is running or owns it, think long and hard about joining and/or handing over any money.
The Global Information Network Product
Global Information Network has no tangible products or services available for sale. As per the official company website:
This home based, internet business requires no inventory, no “product” selling, and no large up front cash investment or time commitment.
Instead, members of Global Information Network are required to market and sell membership to the company itself.
The Global Information Network Compensation Plan
With membership the only thing that is able to be marketed by Global Information Network members, the company’s compensation plan is thus a pretty straightforward affair with 100% of the commissions paid out being derived from Global Information Network membership fees.
The compensation plan itself uses a unilevel compensation structure meaning that any new affiliates or Global Information Network members (for more info on the difference between these two see the ‘Joining Global Information Network’ section below) you recruit are placed directly under you. These members and affiliates make up your level 1.
Any new members or affiliates your level 1 recruit become your level 2 and so on and so forth. Using this compensation plan structure, Global Information Network pay out percentage commissions down seven levels.
How much of a commission percentage Global Information Network members are paid out depends on their affiliate rank. There are eleven affiliate ranks and along with their qualifications their commission percentage payouts are listed below:
- Affiliates – required to sell one new membership to Global Information Network a month and are paid 20% of the initial membership fee on levels 1 and 2.
- Bronze Affiliate – required to sell one new membership to Global Information Network a month and have recruited at least four members in total. Bronze affiliates are paid 20% on levels 1 and 2 and 2% on levels 3 to 6 (both initial and monthly membership fees).
- Gold Affiliate – required to sell one new membership to Global Information Network a month and have recruited at least six members in total. Gold Affiliates are paid 20% on levels 1 and 2 and 2% on levels 3 to 7 (both initial and monthly membership fees).
- Platinum Affiliate – must have recruited at least ten currently active members in total who have in turn themselves recruited at least one new member. Platinum affiliates are paid 20% on levels 1 and 2, 2% on levels 3 to 6 and 3% on level 7.
- One Star Platinum Affiliate – same recruitment requirements as Platinum affiliates but also must have a total unilevel team of at least 500 members with at least one Platinum affiliate therein. One Star Platinum affiliates are paid 20% on levels 1 and 2, 2% on levels 3 to 6 and 4% on level 7.
- Two Star Platinum Affiliate – must have recruited at least twenty currently active new members in total, ten of which have recruited an additional new member themselves. Also must have at least 1000 members in your unilevel team with at least one Platinum Affiliate in two separate legs. Two Star Platinum affiliates are paid 20% on levels 1 and 2, 2% on levels 3 to 6 and 5% on level 7.
- Three Star Platinum Affiliate – must have recruited at least twenty five currently active new members in total, ten of which have recruited an additional new member themselves. Also must have at least 1500 members in your unilevel team with at least one Platinum Affiliate in three separate legs. Three Star Platinum affiliates are paid 20% on levels 1 and 2, 2% on levels 3 to 6 and 5% on level 7.
- Four Star Platinum Affiliate – must have recruited at least thirty new currently active members in total, ten of which have recruited an additional new member themselves. Also must have at least 2000 members in your unilevel team with at least one Platinum Affiliate in four separate legs. Four Star Platinum affiliates are paid the same unilevel percentage commissions as Three Star affiliates.
- Five Star Platinum Affiliate – must have recruited at least thirty five currently active new members in total, ten of which have recruited an additional new member themselves. Also must have at least 2500 members within the first seven levels of your unilevel team with at least one Platinum Affiliate in five separate legs. Five Star Platinum affiliates are paid the same unilevel percentage commissions as Three Star affiliates.
- Presidential Platinum Affiliate – must have recruited at least fifty currently active new members in total, ten of which have recruited an additional new member themselves. Also must have at least 3500 members in your unilevel team with at least one Platinum Affiliate in ten separate legs. Presidential Platinum affiliates are paid the same unilevel percentage commissions as Three Star affiliates.
- Chairman Affiliate – must have recruited at least one hundred currently active new members in total, ten of which have recruited an additional new member themselves. Also must have at least 5000 members in your unilevel team with at least one Platinum Affiliate in twenty separate legs. Presidential Platinum affiliates are paid the same unilevel percentage commissions as Three Star affiliates.
Note that all recruits and required Platinum Affiliates must have paid at least two months membership fees before they count towards membership rank requirements.
In addition to the unilevel commissions offered, starting at the Three Star Platinum affiliate level, Breakaway Bonuses are paid to all qualifying affiliates.
The Breakaway Bonus is an additional commission paid out on all members in your unilevel team, effectively extending the unilevel commissions beyond the initial seven levels payable.
The Breakaway Bonus pays out via generations, with one generation being defined as the members in your unilevel team between you and a Three Star Platinum affiliate. These members count as your first generation.
The second generation is then formed by going down the unilevel leg until another Three Star Platinum members is found, with the members inbetween forming your second generation.
Naturally these generations aren’t static and will change in size as members in your unilevel team advance in membership rank. Also note that each unilevel lineage leg operates independently of all others in regards to forming generations.
How much of a Breakaway Bonus you are paid is dependent on your membership level:
- Three Star Platinum Affiliate – 2% on three generations
- Four Star Platinum Affiliate – 3% on the first generation and 2% on generations two and three
- Five Star Platinum Affiliate – 3% on the first and second generations and 2% on level 3
- Presidential Platinum Affiliate – 3% on three generations
- Chairman Affiliate – 4% on three generations
Note that at the Chairman Affiliate level ‘profit sharing’ is also mentioned, however no further details are provided. One would assume this is some sort of bonus pool Chairman affiliates are able to receive a share and subsequent bonus payout from.
Joining Global Information Network
Membership to Global Information Network comes in two varieties, membership to the company itself and affiliate members.
Affiliate membership is free and allows members to earn a commission on the sale of paid memberships to the company.
Membership to Global Information Network itself is an upfront payment of $1500 and then $150 a month. Global Information Network members are naturally entitled to also sign up as free affiliate members and participate in the company’s compensation plan.
If we look at the Global Information Network MLM opportunity from top to bottom, is clear that this is one business opportunity that’s riddled with red flags.
Starting with company management and ownership, the details of which are unknown. When it comes to business you need to know who you are going to be doing business with and anonymous company ownership is a huge red flag.
The domain globalbusinessnetwork.com was registered back in 2005 and the registration information is also set to private, another red flag when it comes to MLM business opportunities.
Not withstanding the fact that Global Information Network is supposedly based in the ‘Federation of St Kitts and Nevis’, a known tax-haven in the Caribbean – yet another red flag still.
As far as the products go, Global Information Network state they offer members access to a bunch of self-help orientated ‘live events, seminars, workshops, retreats, conferences, summits, meetings, and special briefings put on all around the world,’ but tucked away below is what I believe is the true nature of the business:
Since members share information with other members, several highly successful investors will be sharing trading advice, stock recommendations and other ways to get potentially strong returns from investment opportunities that non members would never know about.
Some members regularly report getting returns of 300% -3,000% from their investment selections. Members will have access to this priceless information.
Now we’re getting somewhere. First and foremost, nobody is paying $1500 and then $150 a month for some self-help material, shady investment advice however? Maybe.
When you consider that the entire Global Information Network commission plan revolves around the signing up of new members and getting them to pay monthly membership, the attraction of earning 300-3000% ROIs on investment advice included with membership starts to paint a clearer picture of what Global Information Network is about.
Unfortunately that in itself is probably the single biggest red flag when it comes to analysis of the Global Information Network opportunity.
Let’s be realistic, at the end of the day nobody is paying that $1,500 signup fee without some sort of strong financial incentive and given that there are no products to sell in Global Information Network, that leaves access to the investment advice the company offers (or “partners” do through the company) which the owners have priced access to as they see fit.
And before anyone mentions it, yes you can join Global Information Network as a free affiliate and market the $1500 membership fee to the company, but honestly – who is going to buy a $1500 membership from someone who they themselves hasn’t paid for membership?
When you tell someone the cost of membership to the opportunity you’re trying to sell them is $1,500, they’re going to want to know everything about it and if you can’t provide that information, it’s a dead sale.
Having no less than thirteen company membership levels (separate to the affiliate levels outlined in the compensation plan), but stating the membership requirements are ‘classified’ just isn’t going to cut it.
No doubt $1500 and $150 is just the initial buy in, with the price of membership only going up as you advance in company membership rank.
Why you’d want to do that though I have no idea (better dodgy investment advice?).
No wonder the owners of Global Information Network want to stay anonymous… if you were offering dodgy 300-3000% ROI investment advice and charging an arm and a leg for it, wouldn’t you?
Apparently, this thing is marketed toward people who believe in conspiracy theories, much like that UFO MLM I discussed earlier. 😀
It would appear that one of the GIN frontmen is none other than that incorigible conman Kevin Trudeau.
Trudeau has done two years in jail for fraud but continues to promote his cancer and other disease “cures” to anyone desperate enough to believe him. He preys on the gullible and vulnerable, which of course is similar to all the other cult style mlms out there.
“The “Law of Attraction” is a cornerstone of the Global Information Network teachings.”
Now where have we seen that quote before??
Oh yes!!! I remember now!!! Polaris Global. That other personal development scam. Watch out for the sharks people.
Kevin Trudeau went to jail because he made false claims regarding some nutritional supplements (claiming they cure something and have definite positive benefits, something FTC / FDA really hates). After that he decided to write books, which is protected by First Amendment and ftc/fda can do nothing.
IMHO, “law of attraction” is just “positive-thinking” psycho-babble. I’ve discussed before the danger of “avoiding negativity”, which is same as seeking positivity. I don’t doubt it helped SOME people overcome their limitations, but it’s hardly the “magic” that some people believe it is.
Trudeau actually went to jail because he “was convicted of larceny and credit card fraud in the early 1990s”. Source Wikipedia – http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kevin_Trudeau
His wikipedia profile shows an interesting and extremely varied series of cons, from non surgical face lift to weight loss and debt elimination.
I’d love to be proven wrong (History, get off you’re ass and do your job) but Kevin hasn’t done any hard time since his credit card issue in the early 1990’s. It is perhaps a poignant reflection on the American Justice system that they could lock Kevin’s ass in jail for two years over a theft of just better than $120K but could only fine and sanction him for all the crap that “they don’t want you to know about.”
“No one ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American public.”
Kevin Trudeau (henceforth KT) went so far out of his way to prove H.L. Mencken correct that even he (HL, not KT) in his most bitter cynicism could take any pleasure in being proven right. The whole “that they don’t want you to know about” angle was pure marketing brilliance (credit where it’s due), you see people who look for things like verifiable facts or objective proof were never KT’s target market. Never was and never would be. KT’s genius was adapting his message to speak to the people who don’t take anything like that into consideration when making the decision to open their wallets.
Yes, all the FTC lawsuits were costly to KT but they weren’t an unmixed blessing. Sure no legitimate company will ever tie their name to his but KT is the sort of man to make lemonade out of lemons and go on to spike it with vodka. Even before he was left with no other choice than to ply the lunatic fringe KT was working the “that they don’t want you to know about” angle which gives him insta-cred with the “more dollars than sense” crowd.
KT isn’t running a MLM or a cult, he’s only selling ignorance and superstition (and a pyramid scheme) to exactly the sort of people who would otherwise be investing their growth capital on magic bean futures. I’m a compassionate individual and one who hates frauds but even I relaize that in a democratic society some people will do amazingly stupid things with their money. Kevin Trudeau is insightful enough enough to recognize this fact and unscrupulous enough to take action on that insight. He steals money from people stupid enough to let him do it, and if I weren’t related to one of his victims I could almost laugh about it. So I don’t.
I stand corrected. FTC sued him with cease and desist for misleading claims, and actually banned him from infomercials for three years.
Parenthetical Note: If Kevin Trudeau or any of his minions finds their eyes on this page might I ask one favor of you?
Please, and I do mean pretty please with sugar on top but could you get Kevin to hire Gerry Nehra, Keith Lagos and Kevin Grimes to supervise G.I.N.’s corporate compliance? That just might be enough to not only get you mentioned on MLM Help Desk but it might just get you moved from Troy’s “High Risk” to his “Start Up” category.
With that level of lack of non enforcement Kevin might attract enough new members and their money to finally defeat the Illuminati once and for all.
Heute Die Welt, Morgens das Sonnensystem
(Ooops, if I hadn’t previously admitted a partisan status with regard to the Illuminati I guess I just did.)
@Oz, where did you get that logo? When I tried Tineye search on the logo, all the versions I found has a “starburst” behind that “eagle” in the middle, except the one you found.
Logo was sourced from their website, up the top it’s on every page.
Wouldn’t be surprised if it’s just a rehashed Starburst logo at all…
I just found this thread by chance when looking for something else and thought I’d add a brief reply as a GIN member. I don’t have anything particularly useful to tell you as I’m not building the affiliate program (I’m retired) so have no interest in that side of things.
I’m a Level 3 member and am in the club purely for the information and education, which I’ve found to be life-changing and well worth what I’ve paid.
…well now, that doesn’t sound creepy at all.
So, Ann, was there any members of Bilberberg, Illuminati, and so on and so forth?
Interesting: Ann McLaren used to have a website, where she describes herself as an entrepreneur.
(TinEye her Gravatar Pix and see for yourself)
I have looked into this “company” form some time, talked too people in it at different levels and looked at what they are selling.
First off as i read this i could tell right away that they didn’t really look into this company (its a club really) it sells and shares vital information that helps shape peoples lives (Have you ever paid too learn something?)
Also you’re paying for associating with like minded people, connections and friendships are started and the information is from what i have seen absolutely valuable.
There is nothing religious about it at all, so saying its a cult or even suggesting it is absolute ignorance, its not more a cult then your local bowling league.
It seems very few people know any real “facts” its all hear say and guess work, a lot of rumors example Kevin Trudeau if you look into his past went to jail because he wrote 7 checks that bounced and didn’t fill out credit card info exactly which is a criminal offense (don’t believe me do your own homework) he paid off the sums before but it was still an offense (basically he rubbed the wrong people the wrong way if you have a clue about anything)
As i have looked into the Law of Attraction it not only has credible people claiming it works there is a number of scientific “proof” that it actually does work, the specific info i have gotten from PHD’s and other respected people how shown level headed people using real information gained at this club for mutual benefit.
One thing you have too ask yourself, why do so many people join and not leave? because its simple, they understand something that most of you don’t, they took the time too look into it before judging, if you judge before knowing, you’re a fool and don’t deserve to be in a club such as this.
Do your homework yourself, i know i did and its nothing like the garbage i read here today.
I put first hand knowledge against any doubters and rumor spreaders who directly have zero knowledge about anything anyway.
They are selling membership with 100% of commissions paid out upon the recruitment of new members.
This in itself is a huge red flag, leaving the rest of your comment irrelevant.
A cult doesn’t have to be about religion? Other organizations or clubs can be cult-like, too. A cult is usually a “closed environment, for likeminded people”, and usually with some sort of “doctrine” and/or “belief system”.
As an example, I will consider Scientology to be cult-like, even if we filter out all the so called “religious” parts there. They do something similar:
Sounds very similar to a cult to me? Including the “why do so few people leave?”. Compare it to Scientology in the few statements I quoted from your post? Or compare it to any other cult you can find?
Steven Hassan, cult expert, have called MLM “commercial cults”.
Kinda renders Jack’s points moot.
Eyewitness reports / first-hand experiences are unreliable.
People are fallible. They have so many cognitive biases that unless accounted for (through sample size, controlled study, and such) a single first-person report is almost worthless.
Yet people in MLMs are often eager to testify about their “success”.
Those people are guilty of using the “anecdotal fallacy”
K Chang, yes, that was me. I used to be with Wealth Masters International and you’ll find a few posts from me on this website in the WMI section.
I’m retired from business now and I see GIN as my retirement education. Some older people (I’m not that old, I’m 56) do an open university course, I do this!
I have been a member since Aug. 2009. I have enjoyed the membership and value what I have learned a great deal.
The merits of positive thinking are scientific. Research Dr. Masaru Emoto and his water crystal expierments. Love and Gratitude create beautiful crystals….hate is distorted and ugly. Your body is 70% water and your brain ~90% so it should be no surprise there is a correlation.
I have personally seen dozens of people whose lives are positively impacted in a big way. This club teaches people to take responsibility for their actions. This club tells us that there is always hope, even when things appear to go against our expectations.
A knowing that things will work out fine….dont know how…dont know when, but the expectation that it will be OK is more powerful than you can imagine.
Learning the proper way to use our mental abilities to our good and the good of others is just what people need today in my opinion. I was so ready to be done with “education” and eager to graduate High School and College. I was 50 years old when I discovered this club. I am totally blown away with the materials, how it is presented, and the affect they can have on you when applied. I love learning now!
If you REALLY want to know what this is about, get yourself a copy of “Your Wish Is Your Command” a 13 CD audio series that very clearly lays out the basic training we go through. I never heard of anyone who did not come away with something to benefit them from these CDs.
Focus on good, care for others, give without expectations, and you will be blessed. Have a great day! Greg 🙂
I’m a former Level IV GIN Member. I joined during the Launch of 2009, gave thousands of dollars to the organization in the process, and recently quit my membership after being lied to by the organization.
A number of members joined or “upgraded” their membership under the circumstance that the member would receive a $10,000 bonus if they meet all 3 of the following criteria offered…
1) Become a member or upgrade your membership
2) Attend at least one of the quarterly major events held annually
3) Pay membership dues on time over the next 2 years…
If these criteria were met, those joining or upgrading members would receive a $10,000 bonus after their 2 year anniversary of the join/upgrade…
During that time period, GIN and Kevin Trudeau changed the criteria which prevents a lot of members from receiving what they were initially entitled to. Since no official or signed “contracts” were made, GIN and KT can easily change the criteria whenever they see fit. Do you see where this is going?
Look at all this MLM model and the amount of money involved? What kind of “elite secret society club” would do such a thing? And then change criteria to keep it’s own members from getting paid?
There is a lot of money involved here, and all you have to do in order to become a high-standing member, is pay thousands of dollars to “upgrade” your membership for more “secret” information.
A lot of the “secret” audio information is just regurgitated jargon that’s already on a book list that “GIN” and KT recommends you read anyway!
The actions I have seen KT since becoming a GIN member has led me to believe that KT is still a fraud that’s not to be trusted.
I will admit I have benefited from becoming a member, through the information I have received and through the people I was able to meet. However if I could put a price tag on it all, I would say that the Global Information Network is a total rip-off…for less than the amount of money I put into GIN, I could easily find paralleled or better information, and networking opportunities out there.
At this point so many members are quitting that GIN is in a stage of crumbling. People are starting to realize that GIN truly offers very little in regards to “secret” information, or lucrative investment opportunities.
Most of what you get is a bunch of “feel good now” audios that are recorded by KT’s voice. It’s mostly NLP brainwashing that people are getting “high” off of. The rest of Global Information Network is pressure and more brainwashing to build a downline and expand your network (for the sole purpose of expanding KT’s pockets?)
I know Greg Kramer, and the last I knew about him was that he is a known member of “high” ranking within GIN. He also had a respectable sized number of members in his downline. Is this true anymore? I don’t know because so many members are quitting so fast…
Anyway, bottom line is I feel like a fool for letting myself get ripped-off by conman KT (despite knowing his controversial past). Don’t waste your time on the Global Information Network, or anything to do with Kevin Trudeau!
I hope John Stossel exposes KT again on TV for the fraud he is! Have a good day everyone! 🙂
Former GIN Member, what do you mean they changed the criteria for the $10K bonus? GIN has already confirmed that I’ve met the qualifications and have already received credit for it.
Just trying to find out more about this organisation for the fact that my recently seperated wife & mother of our 4 kids just joint the club.
She sure don’t have that kind of money to invest in that venture but will do what ever she can to make kick money. She is a scammer in nature & presently working for world group financial which also has a shady reputation.
She is presently been investigated under the canadian federal child tax fraud & other tax related fraud. Just to say,those organisation do attract the same kind, not to say they all are.
I would like to say that GIN gives awesome information on upper levels.
1)From level 1-4 the information is pretty much the same, and is mostly repetition
2) MLM’s don’t work, because it relies too much on forces (people), who’s decisions are outside of your radar screen
3) I am not a GIN member because I am a skeptic
4) If you like to KNOW what’s the UPPER level training is about, then go to:
(Ozedit: link removed, there’s nothing in any of those directories except YWIYC MP3)
here you will find:
Level 2 Audios
/ Level 3 Audios
/ Level 4 Audios
/ Level 5 Audios
/ YWIYC MP3/
Have a wonderful day!
So uh… why do Global Information Network use a MLM style compensation plan then?
To widen their network. Because people only do things if money is involved in one way or another. GIN’s goal is to have 100,000 members or more.
Now, fast forward 10 years and the number of members are going to be constant…let’s say 40,000 members in total. In other words, the number ain’t going to increase indefinitely, so the last people joining will eventually get disappointed that they are not making any money.
The fire will start from the bottom, and members will start canceling one by one until more and more people going to believe that this is a scam.
But it’s actually not a scam. But I would not join GIN for it’s MLM program, but simply for the information that they present and it’s actually very useful.
I always wondered what K. T. is teaching in upper levels, and I was so happy that I found it. And I just shared it to everybody who wants to learn it without joining GIN.
Incredible isn’t it to know that this information could have cost you $10,000+. You will find audio’s and even level 4 and 5 TESTS!!!!
But the fact remains, they are a network marketing company and, I quote,
So how is GIN going to achieve their goal ‘to have 100,000 members or more‘ if MLM “doesn’t work”?
there’s nobody left, and only those at the top of the pyramid made any money, with everyone under them losing money (which is why they quit in the first place).
Yet, despite the obvious sustainability issues with this model, you go on to claim ‘but it’s actually not a scam‘ because people ‘would not join GIN for it’s MLM program‘ (money via commissions). Yet in the same breath you’d already stated that ‘people only do things if money is involved in one way or another‘.
So to summarise, GIN is a MLM company who claim MLM doesn’t work and in ten years they’ll have achieved 50% of their 100,000 membership goal, despite the inevitability that eventually members at the bottom of the pyramid won’t be able to recruit anyone, will quit and thus the pyramid will implode.
This however does not make GIN a scam, because people will join it for the information, despite the fact that nobody does anything unless money is involved and the only way to make money within the GIN opportunity is to recruit new members.
I certainly hope KT’s teachings are a hell of a lot clearer than your train of thought.
What level are you on?
Dunno, ground level? It’s pretty flat and stable but perhaps more to the point, it makes sense.
I wasn’t trying to make any sense..
I guess I was fast enough to save level 1 to 5 training before they removed it 😉
I am a former GIN member. I left because I too found it to be some what of a scam.
Customer service completely lacks integrity and professionalism. I have tried contacting them numerous times on the same topic to which they never replied back.
There is nothing wrong with MLM companies but I agree that transparency of the leaders involved is a must. I came from another MLM company that is rated an A+ on the Better Business Bureau and was nothing but transparent of who was involved.
I always inquired why the GIN Counsel was so secretive. You never here about them or see them and when you ask about them its always confidential. That’s a huge red flag.
Jancsika, my question to you is you seem to know what is talked about in the higher membership levels (level 2-6), where can I hear this information without paying top dollar to hear it and is it worth upgrading to?
The information talked about in those levels can it simply be found in books such as “Law of Success”, “Ask and it is Given”, “The Bible”, etc..?
This sounds great ! I’d join right up but I’m already a level 4 thetan.
I came across this article today:
I have been a member in GIN since 2009, and I am getting value from being a member. The MLM side is not for everyone, so don’t get to caught up in thinking GIN is only about being an MLM business.
What I suggest is to think of GIN as a country club, except the club is global. I could not emphasize how important it is to develop relationships. I have made some terrific friendships and also have found reliable business partners through GIN.
Besides receiving, I have been able to provide money as an angel and provide advice to GIN members. As their businesses grow, not only am I given my principal investment with interest, but I am gifted with preferred stocks for being a GIN member.
Members help members. When this is done on a large scale and with patience, I will reap a large return on my investment.
However having said that, it is not all about the money but rather the person you become that is important. It is nice knowing that my life made a difference. On my deathbed, I’m not going to be concerned about money but rather whether I loved enough.
You don’t need GIN to do this, but GIN works for me.
So GIN is selling investments? Or is that a part of your membership?
GIN does not sell investments. It is just a club that provides training on various topics, and it provides a friendly environment to meet prospective business partners or to simply to build friendships with like minded individuals.
When it comes to building business relationships, you’ll need to perform due diligence and decide who you want as partners. You can bring individuals into your business or simply provide them stock prior your business’ initial public offering. In turn they do the same for you.
It is one method for becoming wealthy over time. It’s not a get rich scheme, but it is means for building trust and deepening relationships among partners and families.
But you did say you are “gifted with preferred stock for being a GIN member”, did you not?
Why would any one give stock to GIN members? Clearly there’s something you neglected to mention.
GIN does not make a profit by providing brokerage services. The value I receive comes from the relationships I foster, and the training I receive.
Yes, I have been gifted with preferred stock in companies on separate occasions by GIN members who own their own businesses. I felt it was based on my potential and willingness to reciprocate. I find nothing nefarious about it. I’m pleased to reciprocate.
I feel that I haven’t neglected to mention anything. I am open to fielding any questions you have as long as it is not about privileged information.
So what did you do to reciprocate, or is that privileged info? And if you did something, then clearly it has nothing to do with being a GIN member, unlike your initial statement?
I reciprocated in kind, stock for stock, or directorship for directorship.
In addition, I have recruited several GIN members as associates in one of my businesses. I have found that recruiting higher level GIN members has been a terrific win-win situation.
I view GIN as a success club.
In addition to our current discussion, I can clarify some of the so-called dodgy items listed initially in the thread.
Let’s begin with “Getting a second passport”. If you are a foreigner wanting to do business in the EU, having a passport from an EU country will provide you less restrictions when participating in business opportunities there.
I view dual citizenship as an American issue. Americans do not fair well as expats have to pay taxes while out of country as well as the local country taxes, whereas citizens of other countries only need to pay the local country taxes.
I could see this as being dodgy if you were trying to avoid the American tax system. I would not recommend tax avoidance.
So I guess you were somewhat inaccurate in stating that you got the stocks because you are a GIN member?
You got the stocks because you gave somebody else stocks, but that transaction was possible because you somehow knew them through GIN. Would that be accurate?
I personally see no problem with a second passport. In fact, I believe one of the NPR / Planet Money podcasts a couple months back had a segment about US expats giving up their US citizenship so they don’t have to pay US taxes.
GIN membership was requisite to the transactions between members. The transactions were not initiated by GIN, but initiated by and between GIN members themselves.
I feel the offers to participate would not had been extended to someone outside of the club.
Moving to the next bold items in the list.
* “How others have turned a $1,000 investment into millions of dollars in just a few years.”
* “How members have made investment returns of 300% -3,000%.”
Those claims do come off as being a bit far fetched, but they may not be too off the mark. Not everyone wants to talk about how much they are or are not earning. Actually, many consider it rude to ask about personal assets.
I find members prefer to build rapport with others than to create animosity. I also find folks would rather discuss possible ways to work together toward prospective gains.
Here is what I know. Last year the GIN top earner was reported as making $8 million dollars (USD) through the MLM side from 2009 to late 2012.
There are a few acquaintances that have confessed to have on average made $45,000 to $50,000 dollars a month through the MLM side. Not quite a million per year, but substantial over a few years.
I am aware of The GIN Store that makes substantial profits. I would estimate their profits to be in the millions. Good on them. I’m very happy for their growing successes. 🙂
Of the businesses I have shares in, two of the startup businesses will go public within the next 18 months. The best part is that I did not have to lift a finger to make that possible, and my combined total profit is estimated be close to 2 million dollars (USD).
Of course, I prefer to report actual earnings than unrealized earnings, so I’ll need to wait before I can give my own personal testimony regarding my returns. Until then I’ll continue focusing on my own businesses successful so that I can do the same for my partners.
Forgive my poor grammar, it is a bit late for me to write. I simply want to help others.
* “How to read energy, virtually read people’s minds, expand your psychic ability and predict the future.”
On reading energy and minds, learn NLP.
For psychic (mental) ability, trust your gut and train your memory.
For predicting the future, create it instead.
I’m not exactly in a position to verify or discredit the legitimacy of any financial gains that GIN claims to provide to its members.
I was introduced to GIN a little while ago, became an affiliate member (which doesn’t require any payments) because I simply don’t have the money to become a full member. But despite the fact that I haven’t made any money with the company yet (maybe I never will), I have a very positive view towards what the organization has done for me so far.
You have to ask yourself what your money is really worth. Is your 150 dollars a month (or 250 if you choose to gradually pay the initial cost) worth going out to dinner a few times?
Or maybe your car payments (mine equal over 300 with my payments and insurance, which isn’t that expensive relative to others), or many other monthly fees that all of us have to pay that don’t really give much spiritual/emotional return, and just contribute towards being in the same routine of going to work every day and making ends meet?
Or would you rather invest that money towards changing the way you think and enhancing your life in all aspects?
I guess if you’re looking at GIN as a way to make a quick buck and you don’t believe it will provide enough return, then don’t invest in it.
But what it’s done for me is it has introduced me to a lot of literature that is mind altering from a somewhat cynical view to a much more optimistic view, and it has introduced me to other GIN members who have that same mentality, and knowing those people and having that kind of influence in my life alone is worth much more than the membership dues.
I don’t know what sort of benefits GIN holds for me in the future, but if I don’t make a dollar through the affiliate program, and benefit solely from being associated and connected to like-minded people who are success oriented, I’ll be happy with the investment.
Already it has introduced me to many people who want more out of life than “just going through the motions”. And I’ve gained priceless information that I may or may not have one day stumbled across had I not been introduced to GIN.
I’m not trying to convince anyone to invest in the organization who doesn’t believe in what it’s teaching. And don’t decide whether or not it’s legitimate based on Kevin Trudeau’s past. Look at the information with an unbiased view.
If you think it’s bull sh**, fine. Don’t spend another second of your life with it. But for the people who are on the fence, you really just have to ask yourself what you’d rather spend your money on: something that improves your mentality in the long run, or 10,000 other things that provide you momentary entertainment.
Has anyone who signed-up during the July Summer Bonanza in 2010 received (or even heard of anyone who has received) their 10,000$ bonus?!
After multiple emails, I received a reply stating that “Yes, I was eligible and now please fill out this form stating how you’d like your money”. Since we chose the full, 10,000$ reimbursement, we were told it’d take a bit longer to be processed.
I am still waiting for that payment.
At very least it is an opportunity to improve ones self in many areas of life including financial. If you are all about money at all costs you are no doubt one of those that caused these men to violate their oaths to their brothers and make these things known to us.
Personally having listened to the cd’s many many times, I have rediscovered so much that had brought me joy and success in the past.LLook closely and judge for yourself.
It may very well be a cult, but it is one I would definitely sign up for! I have been rubbing shoulders with a few GIN members and all I can say is WOW! If being in GIN promotes and generates wealth, I want in!
There’s a saying and I cannot remember who said it but: Rich people think rich thoughts and poor people think poor thoughts. I wouldn’t mind thinking rich!
Thesr GIN members that I have met are AMAZING!
Anyways, that’s my two minute schpeel!
History shows only around 10 to 20% of participants in any given ponzi scheme will finish “in profit”.
Your mission, should you choose to accept it, is to find that 10 to 20% of GIN members and use their testimonials to convince the other 80% of GIN victim / participants that they too will make money.
Normally it’s about making OTHER people believe in the idea and buy it, not about believing in the idea yourself. That’s the difference between making money on an idea and being a consumer purchasing the idea.
If you can’t sell the idea to others, it won’t generate any wealth either. That’s why your new “friends” are trying to sell it to you.
BTW, your quote about rich thoughts can originate from almost anyone in the new age/selfdev business, dating back to late 1800’s or early 1900’s. It’s an idea that has been recycled and rebranded for more than 100 years.
There you have your recipe to generate wealth inside GIN. Make sure to be AMAZING, and make sure people outside GIN will believe that is primarily because of GIN (just like your new “friends” did).
You will simply need to make a lot of new “friends”, and make them gradually realize how AMAZING you have become after joining GIN, and offer them a fair chance to achieve becoming AMAZING, they too (until you run out of new “friends”). You will probably find some “low hanging fruits” near you.
BTW, most rich people don’t use ideas like that. I believe most of them will prefer to separate between social friends and business friends, since those two types of networks normally are designed for quite different purposes.
You can buy Napoleon Hill’s book for $10 and skip the GIN membership fee.
Trudeau was sentenced to 10 years jail yesterday:
I ordered “Your Wish is Your Command” 10 years ago and have grown so much from it.
It has truly helped me think positively and the process becomes easier and easier.
I am very grateful for this understanding…
I’m sorry but I can’t afford right now sounds very interesting will wait And see what I can do in a year.
Trudeau is in prison for fraud. Why on Earth would you even consider joining Global Information Network?
To just call this a MLM I feel is not accurate. This is truly a cult.
My boyfriend at the time pressured me into joining this and I did because I was to uncomfortable saying no. They tell you to get people to join you get a group of people together and pressure people to join. It’s so fucked up.
This lead me down a long road of understanding how cults operate and how they get people to join and manipulate them. This is what they do.
I would say Kevin Trudeau largely based this idea on Scientology. Though it was nowhere on that same level, I don’t doubt that was the eventual goal.
I was uncomfortable with it from the start but then my former partner convinced me to go on a GIN cruise. I was sitting in an auditorium and looked around and then I knew for sure, the way people were behaving, the way the leaders were behaving, this was a cult.
Just like Scientology they tell you everything bad in your life is your fault. If you get robbed, abused, beaten, are broke, sexually abused, etc. it is your fault. Thank god he went to jail before this could become a true cult like Scientology.
Sadly a lot of MLMs have a cult-like atmosphere within. It’s conducive to getting people to hand over money.
I looked up this topic because I just came back from a resort vacation. The resort was also hosting a GIN conference.
I knew nothing about the organization, but just from chatting with a few people about it, I was suspicious. They reminded me of people I know who are Scientologists.