Cash bonus offered to Dubli affiliate recruiters
If you’d noticed a downtrend in activity within an established MLM downline, surely the logical thing would be to focus on pushing growth via the sales of products and services to retail customers?
You’ve got the team, you’ve got something to sell – so go out there, market your wares and find people looking to buy what you’re selling.
Not so if you’re a Dubli affiliate.
Straight from the mouthes of some of Dubli’s top-ranked affiliates, today we take a look at an alternative way to combat stagnation.
Hot of the heels from their bust up with WUKAR, Tony Rush, John Lavenia and Alby Koster have recently appeared in a new Dubli marketing video.
In the video, Rush, Lavenia and Koster are identified as “upline VPs”, people ‘who tend to dominate what we do, we’ve been doing this for a very long time‘.
Getting in the way of those plans of domination however, is a downtrend in new affiliate recruitment.
[6:47] The holidays, they’re history. Okay, they came they went … that’s all that needs to be said about the holidays.
But I sense that there is a, in my team at least, that there’s been a, more than the usual um, holiday inactivity.
[7:53] If you are not someone who is making TM and PPA sales on a regular basis, I want to re-enrol you in the vision of what’s possible for your business in the next 30 days.
So what does Team Extreme need more of to reinvigorate their business?
Retail customers? No.
Existing retail customers purchasing more products and services? No.
New products and services to attract a larger retail customer-base? No.
[1:55] As the upline VPs, we all resonate with the idea that the new person is the life-blood of the business.
That the new person is the future of the Extreme Team, is the future of Dubli Network.
[2:39] We want to work with people who are … looking to build their organizations and do that fast. And we wanna supplement that with additional benefits.
The answer is the recruitment of new Dubli affiliates.
For those unfamiliar with Dubli terminology, TM refers to the “Team Member” affiliate position and costs $594. PPA (formerly known as Team Leader Accelerator) stands for Partner Program Accelerator and costs $2475.
So, how does the lack of ongoing new affiliate recruitment tie into Team Extreme’s plans?
[14:20] What if we said from now, 20th of January until … we get to Vegas on the 19th, anyone who gets started, or even if you’re already started and you’re not yet a Team Coordinator, you get to Team Coordinator and we’re gunna give you money.
I want to give away tens of thousands of dollars here.
Here’s the deal, a new Team Coordinator is going to get a bonus of $300.
To qualify as a Team Coordinator, Dubli affiliates must personally recruit and maintain at least three Team Leader ranked affiliates.
And as John Lavenia goes on to explain:
[15:34] I’ve got about two hundred Team Coordinators, sixty or seventy Sales Directors on my team and a couple of Vice-Presidents.
I want more Vice-Presidents. I want more Sales Directors.
But right now this is about the new person. What is the ingredient to make a Sale Director?
Three Team Coordinators.
What is the ingredients to make a Vice-President?
Five Sales Directors.
I got a lot of Sales Directors, I got a ton of Team Coordinators (but) we want people all moving up in rank.
Because, when I got five Vice-Presidents I’m a Senior Vice-President right? Nice house in the Grand Caymans and all this.
So here’s the deal, $300 on the house from each of your upline Vice-Presidents, directly to the new Team Coordinator that’s created.
Evidently some of Dubli’s Vice-Presidents feel that affiliate recruitment has slowed down, and that Dubli’s existing recruitment commissions are perhaps not enough.
Enter Extreme Team’s own recruitment bonus, which they hope will push existing affiliates to recruit and in turn grow Lavenia, Rush and Koster’s own downlines.
[18:20] We just want you to get to your next rank. Okay?
And when you get your brand new person, you get to Team Coordinator – That moves Sales Directors up, which moves Vice-Presidents up, which moves people up to Senior VP.
Revealingly, at no point in Extreme Team’s thirty-minute video are sales of products and services to retail customers mentioned.
When I reviewed Dubli’s latest incarnation last year, I identified the lack of retail focus and strong emphasis on affiliate recruitment.
Since then apparently the compensation plan has slightly changed, reducing the direct payouts on affiliate recruitment. This, far more than the holiday season, is likely responsible for the recruitment slump Tony Rush touches on at the start of the video.
So now you have top Dubli affiliates trying to recapture the initial recruitment frenzy from mid-2014 by paying recruitment commissions out of their own hip-pockets.
Whether or not Dubli corporate has approved Team Extreme’s latest marketing strategy is unclear. With the recruitment commissions Dubli itself offers however, it would seem unlikely they’d object.
Dubli markets itself as an e-commerce platform, but clearly the backbone of the MLM side of the opportunity is just affiliate recruitment. Sign up, pay your hundreds or thousands of dollars to participate and then set about recruiting others who do the same.
One side-effect of Team Extreme’s recruitment bonus offering is the question of ethical marketing. In offering “off the books” bonuses to recruit new affiliates, are said bonuses going to be disclosed?
Dubli themselves are notoriously camera-shy as far as public disclosure of their own compensation plan goes. Now with Team Extreme offering their own bonuses, can a prospective Dubli affiliate hope to be made aware of potential motivating factors of their upline?
Specifically how much they are directly paid should the prospective affiliate sign up?
I doubt it.
Reflective of where Team Extreme might have got the idea to offer “off the books” bonuses to their members, was the recent claim that Dubli corporate paid a “top leader” $1 million dollars to sign up.
Who the top leader was has not been publicly disclosed. But if you’ve got Dubli corporate running around making secret deals with affiliates, it’s easy to see where Team Extreme might have gotten their recruitment bonus idea from.
An MLM company’s culture flows from the top of the company. And with Dubli themselves directly compensating affiliates to recruit new affiliates, is it really all that surprising to see their affiliates offering their own recruitment bonuses?
Unfortunately on the regulatory front, retail sales of products and services to customers in Dubli remain MIA.
Offering cash bonus for recruitment puts this “biz” straight into pyramid scheme territory, no if, ands, or buts.
It also sounds like the leaders are dipping into the backroom bonuses paid by corporate to keep the momentum going.
I guess that once and for all ends the argument about whether Dubli was a pyramid scheme from inception.
Whatever it WAS there’s now no doubt what it IS
So, they are broadcasting loud and clear that the business model cannot stand on its own. Thank you Tony Rush and friends for confirming what we have been trying to tell you. These desperation moves are evident of that.
These people have a limited numbers of followers. Once those are run through, the growth slows dramatically. In 30-90 days it will start to go backwards.
In 6 months they will have less than 1/2 of the people they started with. If this deal stays the same, they will ALL be gone in 9 months.
Your business model absolutely blows and you know it. The only reason you started is because you got paid to do it. No legitimate networker has EVER joined a company like this, nor will they.
Time to start working on the next one. Have fun building teams over and over with the same set of complete morons. Enjoy your JOB and COMPLETE lack of credibility with anyone that matters.
If it sounds like a Ponzi, feels like a Ponzi, looks like a Ponzi it usually is a Ponzi.
I have felt for months like the little chap pointing at the Emperor with no clothes whilst the WUKARS laughed at his naivety…
A private training video where the leaders are offering incentives and bonuses now equals a failed comp plan?
This article typical of the tripe that Ted publishes says absolutely nothing. No facts, heresay, aka “a recent claim…” Kevin T does talk about incentives either from corporate or from those in the field, but no details whatsoever. I’d like to see them.
We’ll be household name in a few years, and then you’ll know.
Maybe you’ll actually look at it rather than not looking at it and copying and pasting comp plan stats just to make it look like you know what you’re talking about. Dubli is a publicly traded company, they have to be transparent, they know better.
Why else would leaders offer additional bonuses on recruitment?
Putting aside the compliance issues that come with recruitment commissions, shouldn’t affiliates be paid well enough by the comp plan?
Obviously they aren’t feeling motivated by what Dubli are offering alone. I believe the slump Rush refers to happened shortly after they pulled the ladder up after them and switched to the binary model.
Well… except for y’know, the “facts” in the video. Bit hard to argue with video footage of leaders saying what the article says they do.
Yeah it’s been what, how many years? Dubli has been a failure since conception.
This latest incarnation sees them add recruitment commissions, dragging them into pyramid scheme territory. When that collapses, Dubli who?
Yet here we are. Try get a copy of their current compensation plan from the Dubli website. Or find out who they paid $10 million to poach.
Transparent my ass.
Apparently Dubli just hired Jerry Yerke of BurnLounge fame as their new Chief Network Officer.
I’m sure he’ll feel right at home.
“pulled the ladder up after them and switched to the binary model.” are you serious? That binary is like throwing more money at us.
I love it, I’m getting paid and to be honest, not even sure where it’s coming from.
What a team does to boost their team is no reflection on the company, who says it is? This bandwagon has no direction.
Danielle are you not one of those ponzie pimpers who has been playing the recruiting game for years?
What makes this one any different than all the other ponzies you pimp?
sorry “yo” do I know you? Do you know me? Are you calling me a ponzi pimper now and that I have been in the past?
A personal attack like that tells me you don’t have a leg to stand on and desperately looking for something to sling at me. Keep it up, this is a pubic forum.
The only reason you are getting paid is by recruiting others. What does that tell you?
Exactly. Thank you. There are companies that are 20 years ahead of you in e-commerece that have better EVERYTHING including actual credibility in the marketplace.
Dubli (at best) is simply a cheap, low rent, knock off of the real thing. To think that some piss ant ponzi deal is going to compete in that space is completely dilusional.
Charles Ponzi and Bernie Madoff are household names too 🙂
Right. That’s why recruitment died off and Dubli leaders are paying their own money as recruitment bonuses.
Affiliate conduct is reflective of the company they are affiliates of. Herp derp.
I’m pretty sure you know where its coming from, could be the legion of chumps in the down line.
Recruiting 101, the art of bullshit.
Trying to combat allegations with wishful thinking, eh?
Why else would such incentives and bonuses be offered? Clearly the original comp plan ain’t good enough to maintain momentum or whatever platitudes they usually sprout.
or do you have a better answer? Seems you’re just here to offer up ad hominem attacks without disproving any allegations and evidence here.
Out of sight, out of mind. Guess that how you sleep at night.
Ever heard of “willful negligence”? Look it up.
FTC said BurnLounge participants earn more money on commissions from selling franchises to others than from selling music.
Dubli people – Wake up!!!
(Ozedit: Dummy spit removed. Leave that shit on Facebook, thanks.)
Within sixty days after the Vegas gig, they’ll be moving on to something else.
Danielle Herbert no you don’t know me and I know you from what you reveal about yourself online.
Over the years through your public ponzie scheme promotions, you have made your own self public to whomever cares enough to do their due diligence about an opportunity.
You do come across as being an intelligent woman but I am perplexed at why you openly place yourself in a position that exposes you promoting ponzie schemes.
It begs the questions;
Do you realize what you are doing and the harm that it creates?
What is the real drive behind you pushing these schemes?
Do you even realize or care that what you do is going to harm someone?
Or is this site just full of nuts who are out to destroy people’s dreams to earn a fortune working from home in their slippers?
With all your talk Yo, you’ve never said why this is a ponzi, you seem to have a problem with team leaders offering performance bonuses to their teams. Personally I see nothing wrong with that.
Do you earn from customers or from recruiting?
Are affiliates considered customers?
I was under the impression that selling third party products were not considered a product in MLM. If this is the case, then Dubli is recruitment driven isn’t it?
I dont think anyone really cares that people offer bonuses. They are concerned because they HAVE to offer bonuses. NOBODY does that in the industry as a distributor unless they are desperate or clueless. How duplicatable is that? At minimum, its a VERY dumb idea.
Why is it a ponzi? Because 99.2% of you income comes from signing people up, NOT from customers purchasing from the retailers. DUH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I think thats been presented very well and made crystal clear here several times. Its like 3rd grade math. Are you really that stupid you cant see it?
Did you read the main topic? 🙂
Seriously Danielle. Dubli is nothing but a low rent, Bullshit, half assed, lame attempt at trying to copy a company that has been doing this for 20+ years.
It would take you, Lyoness, and all the other bullshit “cashback” companies combined, 15 years to even THINK about being a player in THEIR market.
According to Internet Retailer (doubt you even know who they are) They are top 40 in overall categories and top 10 in other, more specific categories. Dubli is not even in the top 50,000 on the list.
In fact its not on the list AT ALL because its not even a REAL e-commerece company. Its just a website with a bunch of 3rd party affiliate links on it. That does NOT a business make!
Seriously (again)(yes I like the word ‘seriously’ today) Lets see ANYONE do a search online for a product and have a DUBLi site pop up offering it, ha ha. What a freakin joke.
Hell, even if you go to the “shopping” site itself all you see is a list of cashback stores. No product search, no price comparison, NOTHING.
Congratulations, you are a ponzi version of Ebates! What do you have to run on with them? a percent or two difference in cash back here and there as long as people PAY for the benefit??
I have seen some dumb marketing plans but Dublis’ has GOT to be top’s on the list.
You have NO CLUE on what it takes to compete in e-retail and e-commerece. It takes HUNDREDS if not 1000+ full time employees, infrastructure and REAL contracts. The company you are trying to copy has over 200 full time IT people alone, for gods sake.
Dubli has ZERO direct relationships with the retailers. The company you THINK you are trying to copy, has over 5000 DIRECT individual CONTRACTS with the retailers and thousands of their own products. that actually provide some profit margin.
Even with the BILLIONS in sales and buying power they have they are not dumb enough to think you can build a network and pay them just on affiliate commissions alone.
These guys have 1000 times the technology, experience, success, branding, credibility, commissions and anything else you can think of than Dubli has. PLUS its “All in” for less than $500 and you actually get $600 in REAL products for your investment.
They have 1 out of 100 making a full time, professional, RESIDUAL income where ZERO dollars of it is dependant on recruiting, rather than 1 out of 20,000 making a full time income where 100% of it is solely dependant on recruiting.
To pay $2500+ to get absolutely nothing in return but a VERY pale attempt at e-commerece is absolutely retarded. Do you MLMers and Ponzi players EVER, bother to look at the space you are entering? EVER?
I am so fucking tired of cleaning up the mess you rejects leave behind. You should be ashamed of yourselves. Or are you too stupid for THAT too?
Sorry I got a little passionate. Its just absolutely BAFFLING to me how someone can approach a market and not even look to see what is in it. They spend more time and do more research on deciding which toilet paper to buy than they do choosing a business, marketplace or where to spend $2700.
The scariest part is these people are actually allowed to VOTE.
The complete incompetence of Dubli and the other ponzi people completely ASTOUNDS me.
Sorry for the rant. I am just soooooo tired of these irresponsible HACKS who have never made a dime of residual income, selling people on these bulhshit deals.
If you dont have any respect for yourselves at least try to have some for others who actually care about making a go at networking with a legitimate company. You, uneducated, amateur, money grubbing, douschebags pull a string of lies together and recruit seas of people into these deals based on 1/2 truths and half the story.
MOST of you dont even know the pay plan yourselves. You are just selling a dream and blue sky. In doing that you create millions of people who never stood a chance to begin with, that quit, then run around telling everyone they know that “those things dont work”.
Dont give me that “it works if you work” bullshit either. Take a freakin math class. They dont work because thats what the MATH DICTATES. Its black and white. There is absolutely no reasoning that away. 2+2 = 4 EVERY time.
Dont let you “upline” give you the rhetoric that all this neagtivity is just part of it and that “dogs dont chase parked cars” and “ALL Companies go through this” and “people bash us because they are afraid of us” crap..
That is COMPLETE and utter NONSENSE! Legitimate companies do NOT get this kind of press EVER!!! They never have and they never will!
You are ALL a bunch of complete jackasses that are shooting your own selves in the foot.
You are shitting all over yourselves AND the actual professionals in the industry, who actually have legitimate opportunities. They are the ones who have to clean up your stinkin mess.
Didnt you ever hear the term dont shit where you eat? I guess, what do you care? You aint making any money anyway.
If you dont “eat” I guess you dont care where you shit.
You should ALL be in JAIL. You wonder why you have never made any money at this??? Look in the freakin mirror. Assholes!! Scumbags!! Losers!!
You had mentioned that there is another company that is established and you could make money with it, what is that companies name?
I am in Dubli, but after reading the post….not happy
Not going to bring the name into the toilet bowl here Tom. Sorry.
I will see if I can get someone to message you on FB or something.
Tom… the problem here (not speaking for CS) is many participants in the schemes are so “married” to their scheme and they were so indoctrinated through the program that they automatically ASSUME that anybody who disagree as being in some competitor’s scheme, i.e. it’s a “conspiracy” to trashtalk the scheme.
You can see some examples right here, and on many other schemes talked about here that had more than a few dozen comments.
If there’s no proof of their opponent being in a scheme, then they’ll INVENT one, and consider their lack of proof as FURTHER proof of the “conspiracy”.
Furthermore, as you’ve seen, the professionals like CS (I don’t know CS’s history, so I won’t comment on how he did, but at least he saw himself as a professional Network Marketer) saw how almost any company can hang out a shingle and claim to be network marketing.
The old names in network marketing (Amway, Herbalife, Mary Kay, etc.) were embroiled in controversy here and there, accused of pyramid scheme every few years, often caused by investigations of certain groups WITHIN the company (since each ‘team’ is essentially autonomous) but also exacerbated by how network marketing fosters what are basically “cults of personality” (i.e. team leaders).
Basically, even those that *are* legitimate (at least in their own eyes) are tired to being called MLM or network marketing, because there’s just a general STINK of such a term, and a good part of that stink is due to a bunch of fly-by-night schemes that die, reboot under same name or different name, and piss off / victimize a lot of people in turn. (Not saying there are no “churn” in the more “legitimate” network marketing companies, but that’s a separate story).
So it’s understandable why CS don’t want to mention his company. he doesn’t want it mentioned in the same breath as what he considered to be a scam (a reboot, actually, Dubli died once before).
Well said K Chang. Right on.
Jerry “Lyoness” Yerke? 😀
So I am not fully understanding why we cannot mention the name of the company that I could sign up with. people like me reading this post and the comments are looking for an opportunity.
We are most likely looking into Dubli to see if they are legit or not having talked to another affiliate most likely.
I’ve used some search terms to find the good company referenced but so far nothing. Most of the cashback programs I am finding are free for affiliates to join.
So @Common Sense can you help me out here? Even if it’s just giving me some good basic info with which to find them.
Thank you all for this site, it has certainly opened my eyes. And yes, I was just about to sign up for the Dubli op. Rethinking.
Are you guys saying Lyoness is a no no also?
Search bar is on the top right of every page.
Already looked into Lyoness on google.
Lyoness America CNO jerry Yerke is now CNO of DuBli.
To hear this guy speak makes you wonder how it is he’s not serving burgers at McDonalds.
So…where are we now? Dubli transforming to OMiNTO….better?? Worse??
Wow. Tony Rush gets big cash last year to join Dubli and poach leaders out of Empower Network while bad mouthing them behind their backs.
One year later, he’s jumping into Team Beach Body.
And not attending the Dubli event in Dubai.
Using the excuse that it’s not going to be in New York.
If you read between the lines, “it’s way too expensive for us.”
There’s actually a lot of drama in their Home Business Labs Facebook group because they’ve basically abandoned their team (except for their “insider favorites”) and started building yet ANOTHER funnel.
These guys are crooks.
And now they’re having a live event in St. Louis in October!
LOL Holy smokes this webinar is absurd.
They sit on here and basically say “We’re smarter than you. Just follow us. We can’t say anything.”
Is there a group with such a collective massive ego on the planet?
“Hey Guys, we’re not leaving Dubli!” – Tony Rush
(A year ago you may remember: “We’re not leaving Empower Network.”)
Tony Rush and his Home Business Labs Puppets are now pushing BeachBody down their followers throats. So I guess even them couldn’t hold too long on Dubli’s crap company
Check their new crap here Oz so you can research about it maybe for a future post
But… but… but… Dubli VIP membership is for a year. What about all those great discounts!
What about all the retail non-affiliate Dubli members they signed up???
I’m only a quarter of the way in but so far it’s been all about making money and nothing about selling products to retail customers.
Looks like they’ve signed whatever’s left of HBL into BeachBody and are now marketing it as proof their funnel works.
Now they’ll try to sign up a bunch of affiliates, collect whatever commissions their fees generate and do a runner again when things die down.
Here we go again…
Any word yet if those guys had to return the hundreds of thousands of dollars they were fronted to start promoting Dubli back in 2014?