Vista Network sues Phillip Piccolo and associates for fraud
In a somewhat surprising move, Vista Network has filed a Californian lawsuit against defendants Phillip Piccolo, Kevin Dalton Johnson, Paul Morris, Joseph Reid and the company Travelada.
Vista Network is accusing the defendants of “fraudulent and criminal misconduct”.
Vista Network surfaced in late 2017 and is headed up by CEO Armen Temurian.
The company’s lawsuit is strange, as Vista Network launched as an 80 day ethereum doubler Ponzi.
According to Temurian, by January 2018 Vista Network had ceased operating its Ponzi doubler.
As per Temurian’s linked comment above, following termination of the doubler Vista Network rebooted as a cryptocurrency mining opportunity (mining pool).
Hardware mining was attached to the cloud mining opportunity for pseudo-compliance. Non publicly tradeable VistaCoin and AlexaCoin altcoins were also added at some point.
Meanwhile at no time did Vista Network or Temurian register with the SEC, meaning at best the MLM opportunity was an illegal unregistered securities offering.
Update 19th November 2018 – Following publication of this article Armen Temurian has been in touch to claim at no point Vista Network operated as a Ponzi scheme.
The first run of Vista was not a Ponzi we invested and returned on investment truly, only without a license. Then we stopped in late December 2017 trading without a licence.
We never did MLM or paid mlm comp plans while trading and returning without a license.
We profited over 3 million dollars doing this, we were also luck because we traded short medium and long term holding patterns while BTC went from $1000 to $20,000.
WE WERE NEVER A Ponzi and we can prove that. We will never be a PONZI sir.
Also OZ just so you know we will file with the SEC our first paperwork by January 31 2019 as we bring our VistaCoin and AlexaCoins onto the blockchain and onto our first exchange listing on DutyFly.
/end update
In their November 9th complaint, Temurian alleges Piccolo, Johnson, and Morris were hired to develop Vista Network’s affiliate backoffice.
The complaint refers to Piccolo, Johnson and Morris as the “PJM Defendants”, and alleges
Once the PJM Defendants gained access to Vista’s confidential trade secret documents and cryptocurrency accounts under the pretense that they were acting as software developers, they surreptitiously set out to defraud Vista, misappropriate its trade secrets, and steal its assets.
Joseph Reid is cited as having introduced Temurian to the PJM Defendants.
In recommending the PJM Defendants, Reid purposefully misled Plaintiffs about the PJM Defendants’ qualifications to build the Back Office software suite and failed to inform Plaintiffs of numerous instances of prior allegations of fraudulent behavior made against Defendant Piccolo.
Temurian claims the PJM Defendants stole “nearly $700,000” in cryptocurrency that had been invested into Vista Network.
Then they used the software Vista hired them to build in order to create fake commissions on Vista product sales.
Finally, the PJM Defendants deleted shipping orders for over $10,000.00 in Vista products, shipped Vista products to unknown entities, and cancelled other orders in order to take customer payments as their own.
Following their misappropriation, fraud, and theft, the PJM Defendants then disabled Plaintiffs’ software access, leaving Vista without the ability to use its own confidential and proprietary information, or to reach its customer base.
After that Travelada was “deployed”, and used by the PJM Defendants to
take Vista’s data and customer lists, create a number of misleading email addresses incorporating Vista’s trade name, and fraudulently solicit Vista’s customers through mass emails.
Both Travelada and Vista Network’s respective Alexa ranks are in sharp decline, which I guess prompted;
Most recently, Piccolo and Johnson have resorted to extortion by threatening to permanently delete the software suite that Vista hired them to build along with all of Vista’s trade secret data unless they are paid large sums of money.
Two days after filing their complaint, Temurian and Vista Network filed for a TRO and preliminary injunction.
The day after the motion was filed it was denied, on the basis
defendants have not yet been served (and) the Motion fails to comply with the requirements of Rule 65(b)(1) of the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure.
Rule 65(b)(1) limits the granting of a TRO without notice unless immediate and irreparable injury, loss, or damage can be proved. Or in the alternative efforts to give notice were made and an explanation provided as to why they notice isn’t required.
In an email to BehindMLM Temurian advises only Phil Piccolo remains to be served.
I’ve added Vista Network’s lawsuit to our list of tracked cases, so stay tuned for updates as we receive them.
Update 19th December 2018 – On December 17th a motion to dismiss was filed by Phil Piccolo and the defendants;
The Court will ultimately recognize the Complaint for what it is – a desperate attempt by Plaintiffs to shift an ever-increasing focus away from Plaintiffs and their operation of a criminal Ponzi scheme that resulted in the loss of millions of dollars by Plaintiffs’ customers.
For now, however, the Court should dismiss the claims discussed below so that Defendants can proceed with filing their counterclaim and exposing Plaintiffs for the scam artists that they turned out to be.
A decision on the motion is pending.
Update 5th February 2019 – Following the court’s appointment of a mediator on February 4th, Vista Network’s lawsuit is heading to mediation.
Update 21st February 2019 – As per a February 7th order, mediation in the Vista Network case must take place before October 14th, 2019.
A mediation hearing has been scheduled for October 10th.
Update 23rd April 2019 – Multiple counts have been dismissed from Vista Network’s first amended complaint.
The company has been given until April 29th to file a second amended complaint.
Update 17th September 2019 – Defendants Phillip Piccolo, Kevin Johnson, Joseph Reid and Paul Morris have filed an answer to the lawsuit.
Accompanying the answer is a counterclaim, leveling several counts against Armen Temurian.
Update 8th May 2020 – Vista Network’s lawsuit was voluntarily dismissed by Armen Temurian. As of May 1st the case is closed.
Phil freaking Piccolo AGAIN? How does this guy keep going with new scams and out of jail?
My immediate reaction too Soothsayer. Have known about him for over 30 years.
There is a list of his aliases here:
worldwidescam.com/sumphil.htm
And a list of various schemes he was involved with too.
This lawsuit does not have any truth to it whatsoever. We have legal representation. All I can legally say is the lawsuit is frivolous and non-truthful.
I can’t wait for BehindMLM to received a copy of our legal response to such including testimony of the potential of thousands of people who were ripped off (up 8 bitcoins) when it was over the $15,000 to $19,000 BTC price.
Personally this man makes me look like a saint. He will look you right in the eyes with passion and actually tell you he made money.
In fact you say he called and he said he made 3 million trading. A) there is zero proof of that. B) he took in over 12 million in cash and bitcoin from thousands of people.
Can’t wait for discovery. I am sure the FBI and SEC are going to have fun with this guy. Let’s see took in 12 million and paid out 3 million. LMAO… Oh and he never hired any of us.
The only person going to jail here is you Piccolo. Documentation beats conversation. We know you are the king is spinning things but this time you’re all going to jail.
You’re time has ended. Scamming people for decades as been your motes operates. Everybody knows that and your past proves that.
You came and stole millions from VISTA A LEGITIMATE COMPANY NOW YOU’RE RUNNUNG and Hoding in you’re home dodging to be served. Coward.
Let me remind you this lawsuit was presented by one of the best law firms in the country. They don’t do frivolous suits.
You even have the nerves as a narcissist to come out and make a public statement.
Mr. Piccolo. You are really exactly what this sites describes you as (www.worldwidescam.com). Thank you Laurence Lowne for that reminder. Let me assure you our law firm is one of the best in the country and they don’t entertain frivolous suites. They go smash career crooks and con-artists like you.
And if you do have legal representation come out of your little house that you are hiding in for the past week and receive your Service just like your best friends Kevin Johnson (the software guy) and Paul Morris (mlm poster boy) did.
Armen A Temurian
Temurian claims Vista Network not a Ponzi, yet hires notorious Ponzi pimp Phil Piccolo and friends.
Good one. Is this a lawsuit to figure out who is “less bad”?
We didn’t know who Piccolo was Char until two or three months into the relationship when we found out.
they came across to us as good man (good Christian men) vouched by Joe Reid to be good people.
we only knew him as “Felice” De Angelo that’s how he introduced himself as. We were cond just like everyone else gets cond.
Phil Piccolo, I would not keep defending yourself on this. We all know you have truly proven yourself to be a con-man, along with the rest of your gang of crypto-stealing-thugs.
There is a reason why the Vista had to spend weeks saving and printing hard-copies of everyone’s Back Offices, funds, and genealogies.
And I know this because my good friend who is one of the board of directors watched Vista share the huge stack of papers in the building, showing how much work they had to go through, because they could not access control of the website. Oh how it makes me want to punch you thieves in the face.
And “never hired any of us” my foot! A partnership is indeed a form of “hiring”, and when you form a partnership like that, with a company that is providing the finances and the products, you don’t go withholding the keys to take full control of the website and back office.
You just don’t do that! Unless you are a con-artist and a thief.
Get ready for you and your vile cronies to go up in legal flames. Vista will succeed with or without you, but you won’t be part of it if it succeeds.
Char, there are a lot of ponzi pimps out there, but that is no proof that Armen did not have good intentions. That is also no proof Armen even knew this guy was a Ponzi pimp.
After Armen revealed his vision for Vista, obviously all kinds of business people will suddenly come to you, trying to lure you to work with them, and they will promise you pie in the sky, and even convince you that they are good people.
Armen isn’t perfect, and people do get conned. I have gotten conned by bad men many times. And it is possible to fail to do our complete homework on the background of someone.
Keeping up with Armen, and knowing some of those who surround him, I can certify that these guys are clean and honest men, who want to do their very best, to make sure they are 100% compliant with US law.
And that is why they have taken the last 1-2 years making sure their infrastructure is solid before they launch fully, and make sure everything is 100% compliant with US law.
Ya going down piccolo.
Two or three months? Why did it take you that long? Phil ‘the crime wave’ has been associated with Joe Reid & Paul Morris for many years. A 5 minute google on thir names will show exactly what “good people” these are.
Hey Phil – did you pay back the money you stole by being a net winner in Zeek Rewards?
If I could offer a kind suggestion to both Mr. Temurian and Mr. Piccolo, please do forward any and all court documents in your case to OZ just as soon as your respective legal representatives give you the OK to do so.
Already Phil has boasted about his response and Armen on his legal team, let us all see for ourselves your respective arguments.
After all we’re pretty darn sure to be an unbiased audience in so far as we don’t favor either of you, so what better platform to get your side of the story out to the public?
So you handed him the keys without identification verification or a criminal check or requesting his resume?
OMB Phil, you are just too funny. Now pretending to be Saint Phil or should I say Saint Felice as you introduced yourself? Now we can add Felice DeAngelo to all your other aliasesl you know: Johnny d’Angelo, Johnny Dangelo, Phillip Angelo P., Joseph Stevens, Don Johnson, Felix Angelo, John Nocton, and Warren Anthony. Guess there was too much heat on those names for you to use one of them.
But I am curious if the Receiver did contact you since he was informed that the 3 aliases you used in Zeek were actually you; as well as all three addresses you use.
I wanted to make sure he was able to clawback all your winnings in Zeek, as I knew you would willingly give it back since you are so honest and would never accept tainted money.
It’s also too bad that Armen wasn’t aware of all your other failed MLM programs that you stole millions from, you know: MLM Bank; aaTCM.com; 1995Plan; OneSource; Laundry CD; Matol Nutrition For Life; thewwwlink.com; ReferEveryone.com; thetwentyteam.com; YourFreeMall.com; Magnetrol Liquid Enhancer and Shower Vitalizer; Free4UOnline.com; OneQwest.com; GECC; Nourishthechildren.com; HelpingHands.com; Travelogia.com; UNS1; RxPPC; RxFHL; Magic Shower; PowerHealth International; PrivatePage; Lites Out Strips; PAP System.com; TravelAgent99.com; PreRegisterForFree.com; YTB-Your Travel Business; DubaiMLM; TPP; TCN -TextCashNetwork; Alphen; MYWFL.com (Warranties For Less); 4E-Corp; The Aloha Team; Steps to Success and those are just from your “honest” past.
What was really touching was your story you told about meeting “The Coach” from YTB, and how he convinced you to once again join his MLM program after you had sworn off all MLM programs.
Not guilty my assets. You are as dirty as they come; but I do look forward to your sending Oz your response to this lawsuit.
I’m so glad VistaNetwork CEO found out what piccolo and his con men was doing to Vistanetwork before going BIG. L Lynn E…. wow I guess you know a little history of this con man piccolo.
For me…. If anyone says anything about VistaNetwork they Best be Careful. Hearing incomplete facts from people who really don’t know all the fact, makes me feel sad to hear chatter that is false, and with incomplete facts, which can make something that is good look sour.
OZ your no surprise yourself in what you do. If you would get all the truth maybe more advertiser’s would come your way.
Making false statements knowingly will not get you to Heaven. I happen to know the founders and the CEO. I can trust them, and so will you if you new their hearts and how much they care.
Have patience, and VistaNetwork will make a lot of people Happy. So have fun and be careful what you say, its the best way to carry your values. Having Patience is the Key to many things. I AM VISTA 🙂 Peace!
Nothing we have published about Vista Network isn’t factual.
The company launched at best as an illegal unregistered securities offering. At worst an illegal Ponzi scheme.
I’ve seen nothing to prove Vista Network was able to legitimately generate a 200% ROI every 80 days.
This is absolutely terrible business advice.
Lynndel “Lynn” Edgington
Omg. WOW. What long terrible list.
Thank You for Exposing PICCOLO. It cannot get more worse than that.
Please email me direct at (Ozedit: removed)
Armen
Felice is a crook! You forgot gladia coin, jet coin, travelada… Is he still in his big house in florida?
I have not checked Phil’s addresses for quite some time in Florida, but here are the 3 he uses:
2330 NE 34 CT, LIGHTHOUSE POINT, FL 33064 The house is listed under Deena Zymkowitz
2545 E Sunrise Blvd PMB 1000,Fort Lauderdale, Florida 33304
6400 N. Andrews Ave. Fort Lauderdale, FL 33309 The House is listed under one of his aliases John Nocton
Phil doesn’t put anything in his name so they can’t be taken away in a clawback action or lawsuit against him.
When I have time I will try to check them out to see if they are still registered to the parties I have named above, or in whose name they are now registered.
Next case on the docket, Mr. Ponzi Scheme v. Mr. Pyramid Scheme. Attorneys present: Mr. Pot and Mr. Kettle.
“Other MLM opportunities Temuian has been involved in include Amway, Enagic, Epic (Master Distributor) and Organo Gold (Crown Diamond).”
And there’s this:
Num, num. More popcorn please.
Yes 14 years in Amway. 10 years now with Enagic. 5 years wasted with those Malaysian crooks at Ecosway/epic. 1 short year with the great people at Organo Gold. 2 years working on the next legitate bitcoin and tech company VISTA NETWORK and VISTA TECH.
Excuse me CHAR, we are not PONZI my friend. Ponzies dont do business transparently. Dont sue in federal courts dont file for licenses or Register corporations. Crooks dont fight with other crooks in court.
Do you even understand what you are posting my friend. Plain straight opinion based on nothing or very little – likely speculation.
Find me come see me and I’ll show you we were never a PONZI and we can never be one.
I’m easy to be found. I’m not Piccolo hiding in his house or Kevin Johnson his buddy (the software guy) who took off with $$$ now hiding in his house afraid to open the door so we can serve him.
Thats how we are different.
This is a legitimate company (Vista Tech vs. Crooks). You need to understand this my friend clearly.
Armen
Paul Morris is an absolute class act and one of the few legends left in this industry that has never compromised his integrity nor his values.
There are thousands of people that would back this statement up. While I’ve never had the privilege of being in any of his organizations I know many who currently are.
Try to dig up any dirt on him… it simply doesn’t exist.
This is slander at best to have even mentioned his name. Can you please detail the extent of his involvement?
From Vista Network’s lawsuit;
Thanks OZ. The little bit of info you provided is pretty vague. Will be Interesting to see where this goes.
What EXACTLY is vague about below statement OZ provided from the filed lawsuit?
Seems pretty clear to all but the willfully ignorant or just plain ignorant.
Wasnt Paul also subject to Zeek clawback? Covenant Partners, Inc. (Paul Morris)
Yes Brian Covenant Partners (Paul Morris) was on the Receiver list of net winners subject to clawback.
That’s a funny way to describe one of the Zeek Ponzi scammers then…
Hey Armen, How did your Vista Mini-Miner go?? I seen lots of videos of it getting about 8 hashes per second on Monero, like 25 cents a year, worse than my old cell phone… HAHAH I told you it was just a Raspberry Pi.. LOLLOLOLOL
Called that to a tee didn’t I??? Good thing you backed out from flying me down there to ‘prove me wrong’ AHHAHA your charade would have been over before you scammed thousands of people with your junk warez.
I just remembered why Paul Morris’ name sounded so familiar to me.
He was involved with Phil and the so-called Rev. Bob Moore, two of the biggest Ponzi pimps going.
Back then it was the PMA-Paul Morris Associates.
Paul also teamed up with Phil in the Breast Self-Examination Pad.
Just a few of the “class” programs that Paul worked with Phil. Yes sir, Paul is a real class act.
I also can’t believe that I left out of Phil’s resume of failed MLM Programs he pimped two of my favorite ones: DNA (Data Network Affiliates) that was in the business of helping the Amber Alert System, which then morphed into OWOW bottled water that could cure cancer when DNA went belly-up.
And just think, this is not all of them.
Now you know how Phil got the moniker “one man crime wave.”
Phil, Oh Phil, where art thou Phil?
I figured you would have supplied Oz with your countersuit by now. It has been 9 days. Surely that is enough time for your crack legal team to have filed it.
I am so looking forward to reading it and all the “testimonies” that you said were going to support your countersuit.
Thank you Lynn for putting this Picle on the spot. Meanwhile last Thursday VISTA filed a TRO (Temporary Restraining Order) against Travelada and Picle-o …and with the TRO has released some of the hard evidence showing the kind of things you’ve been talking about regarding this character Piccolo and his many years of “pattern” and mottos operates.
No one ever caught him. This is probably first time anyone has damaging Evidence on Picollo.
The reason we were late with the TRO is because Picollos best friend Kevin Johnson was in hiding and avoided service. We could not file the TRO without all 4 of them getting served.
Now that we got him too, a TRO was filed and VISTA submitted some of the hard evidence to the Judge and the Federsal Court with the TRO attached and to the public as public knowledge.
Everyone one of those 17 causes has documentation submitted by VISTA evidence against these people. Armen
Countersuit? Ha. He’s still pushing Travelada.com eveyday vigorously trying to collect every penny he can before he shuts it down and leaves everyone hanging just like he has done for decades.
A man’s “pattern” should tell you who he really is. You can hear his voice Lynn on its Travelada webinars.
Maybe OZ should do a pyramid scheme article on Travelada. I’m surprised you haven’t hit the scammer behind Travelada yet.
I’ve added Travelada to the review list.
Mr Armen Temurian and Luis Amaya are Great SCAMERS TOO, they came here to South Korea took our Bitcoins and Etgereum, they flew us to California to their office, BIG SCAM BIG SCAM.
We are waiting here in South Korea for you Armen and Luis but also we are looking to get our coins back in California where we have file a law suit and complaint with local and federal authorities.
I HOPE THESE VISTA PEOPLE CAN STOP SCAMMING KOREANS. Their MiniMiner SCAM, SCAM.
These people need to be in jail. I know they SCAM a few good Korean ladies in California that I Know and they will joins us in the law suit and Complaint with the local and federal authorities.
ARMEN, LUIS AND HECTOR ARE GREAT LIERS AND SCAMMERS. EVERYTHING THEY DO IS BASED ON A LIE.
I been reading all this nonsense I do not know the other people but I know Armen Temutyan, Luis Amaya and Hector Ardon they are scammers.
Armen and luis fail many times to show for the appointments to return our coins and they always lie lie.
I spent so much money 3 times came to California looking for our coins. THE LIE LIE AND SCAM they know that very good.
Let me make it very Clear to you KIM who ever you are. Yes we have been to South Korea (once) but we never did business in Korea we never took anyone’s money from Korea.
If I remember “KIM” you are the DRUNK ALCHOLIC who came to Vista Corporate in Glendale trashed our company apartment and took off with 110 Ethereums and about 30 Bitcoins with your lady friend Crystal Kand and James Kand. Shame on you why dont you tell the full story you crook.
You stole Bitcoin and Ethereum from VISTA coning us and you have the nerve to post here? You are the next people VISTA is going to take to court and file with local police and authorities for assault and forged documents you brought to Vista with your girlfriend the last time you showed up to Vista.
Come back to LA so we can put you in Jail like we are going to with this Piccolo character.
You are hiding in South Korea come and see us. In October/November 2017 After you trashed our company apartment and insulted and almost physically and sexually assaulted one of our young Korean female friends (SIA) we knew what low quality junk you are. That’s why we threw you out of our Company.
You are lucky we didn’t do more than just throw you out. You are still responsible for what you took from us with your Mr and Mrs Kand team and we are going to come after you for it. I promise you!
Let me also remind you KIM two of our 13 Executive Board Members at Vista Corp are Koreans and they are Female and they LOVE VISTA because we are REAL people.
Male chauvinists, Crooks, and on top of it all, “MLM Junkies” like you Do Not Represent Koreans and are exactly the kind of people.we are running away from. Dont talk as you talk for all of Korea.
We will come back to Korea anytime because we have a strong Korean following.
Come to LA Bring your partner Crystal Kand and James Kand to me so you can explain what she did with our Ethereums and Bitcoins. Crooks!
*munches popcorn*
What’s that saying about no honour among thieves?
Armen you stated to Oz “WE WERE NEVER A Ponzi and we can prove that. We will never be a PONZI sir.”
Then I have to ask you why you haven’t registered with the SEC, or have you?
Armen and Luis you never showed up when we came to your office with James Kang and Cristal Kang and my translator to clarified where our coins went.
Also you never showed to James Kang office either, you are CROOK AND YOU KNOW IT.
We are waiting for you here in South Korea I am willing to pay for your tickets Armen, Luis and Hector.
Luis said he is Christian and love his family but he is not, because when he scam people on their behalf it tells me he is not a man of God, A man with values does not do that. You are CROOK by nature armen you dont care about others savings nor emotions.
I am going to publish here some evidence that we have very soon for you all to see who is Armen Temuryan.. I also I will be publishing apartment address, Luis Address. Everything I have. Emails.
No personal info thanks.
OK, I’m confused.
1. We are working on SEC filing soon. Vista can become the first company to achieve this.
2. The above reference is pertaining to our corporate structure.
3. And Kim, you need to relax my friend. You are already in major defamation violation on top of it you need to address the fraud on the stack of paperwork you brought to us in our position as fraued evidence; not to mention the coins you stole from Vista with Krystal Kand which we want back please; trashing our corporate apartment; and assaulting a lady verbally and sexually in the apartment. We paid for you trip here with 3 of your colleagues and that’s the class act you showed us. Typical MLMer. These are some major issues for you.
At least you admit you know where the corporate apartment is since you are willing to give the address to everyone. Well that’s the one you trashed and where you almost hurt a lady. And then we kicked you out of there and sent you back to Korea. Remember? What a drama. This is the level of professionalism and skillset that exists in MLM today. Unreal.
Armen.
Armen IS hard for you to believe YOU own lies I know is hard, but it’s ok, THE TRUTH ALWAYS PREVAILS this is a Great Korean saying.
Let me remind you is case you forgot you screwed a lot koreans and Japanese people I can out a list of 100 or may be more that they trust you and Luis with their coins and now you are not answering their emails nor their calls.
We are starting to get together against the SCAMMERS Armen Temuryan, Luis Amaya and Hector Ardon we are not resting until you are behind Bars in California, Korea o may be Japan.
YOU ARE A SICK PERSON armen, NO HONOR, NO VALUES AND NO MORAL PRINCIPALS. You are talking bad about other people here including me but you are the worst Human Waste there is. I SEE YOU SOON.
Why haven’t you already registered with the SEC, what has stopped you from doing so?
Have you not already been collecting large sums of money by operating this business?
Timing. Everything has it’s right time. We had to change our model completely first. When it’s time we will file and you will know we did.
KIM ‘ Fact Check:
“THE TRUTH ALWAYS PREVAILS this is a Great Korean saying.”
Sorry that’s not a “Great Korean saying” …its a Great AMERICAN saying! You stoled it from us. Just like many other things you do. Right?
I keep telling people not to keep them under the bed, but they won’t listen.
Someone pass the popcorn.
What a strange thing to say, Armen.
From your VistaLive webpage:
BTW, Mr Temurian, how’s the sales and rollout of those “MiniMiners” progressing ?
The Vista members who did purchase them must be well and truly p***** off by now
Vista mini miner scam part 1: youtube.com/watch?v=KM0A0YAYDN0
Vista mini miner scam part 2: youtube.com/watch?v=Nm8UmEy3nZA
Aannnndd.. It turns out I was right!! Duh.. LOL. Lucky to get $0.25 / year with this Raspberry Pi.
Armen Temuryan, Luis Amaya and Hector Ardon and their Gang of Thugs SCAMMED so many people with those mini miners you guys have no idea, their cost $19.88 and to the people that they SCAMMED $1,495.00.
They claim that this little gadgets will mine between $400 to $600 every month out of 40 different coins, BIG LIE BIG LIE BIG LIE, they robbed so many people that these guys deserve the JAIL.
Now they trying to comeback with the vista coin and Alexa coin and they are telling that they returning their coins and cash with these two coins.
THESE COINS WORTH NEGATIVE NOTHING. These people have no Moral Values, they are CHEATERS, SCAMMMERS, THIEVES ETC. BECAREFUL AND RUN A WAY IF YOU SEE THEM ANYWHERE OR CALL THE COPS FOR YOUR OWN SAFETY.
In 4 weeks I will be back in California Again am coming to continue with our law suit with more then 200 different witnesses willing to testify in The Police and court.
1. littleroundman
Answer to your question sir:
We have a Master Distributor we have Appointed from S. Korea but we have refused to do business there from the beginning.
Vista never did business in S. Korea. We went to S. Korea that one time and we were shocked how crazy the MLMers are in S. Korea.
Remember I come from 15 years of Amway as a Founders Platinum (and 15 of those years straight qualified Founders Platinum which isn’t easy).
Our culture is a little different. But we chose a person for her loyalty and Love of what VISTA stands for, from Korea.
If we have a Master Distributor from that Country that person represents for us for the entire Asian market. So please don’t “assume” because we have a Master Distributor (one of 4 now), means we ever did or currently have business in S. Korea.
VISTA has ZERO presence and has had ZERO presence in S. Korea. The problem with most of you people here, you might think you are experts and you jump the gun; maybe you should ask first, ill be happy as our company CEO and one of the co-founders, and ill always try to respond. How many of these people, companies, Ponzi’s that OZ publishes on, their company person responds? Or if they have a CEO, he or she, responds? How many?
Yes enjoy your “popcorn” i hope you will be there with your “popcorn” again when you see “VISTA” go straight to wall street and IPO one day. thank you for your question.
2. Jessie Crypto (aka “crack head”)
Jessie when you are done rambling about the Vista mini miner brand and your defamation about the mini miner (Miniminer.com) then i could give you an update on the status of it.
Until then, you are looking like a little baby crying attention and seeking youtube popularity right now.
You’re not even a techie or an IT guy. We have 2 senior developers at VISTA Tech 3 junior developers. 2 CTOs in house and Inst… Technologies (we will keep this companies full name private for now please) all working on this product.
You really sound like a punk. So let me know when you are done “RAMBLING” so I could give you an update on the VISTA miniminer? thanks.
3. Kim
you are the ONLY presence we have in S. Korea it looks like. the only member there in Korea other than our Asian Master Distributor, and on top of it – cult level negative.
Naturally, the kind of stuff we have on you, its common for you to “react” the way you are. When you returns those coins you stole then we will talk to you.
Also, when you are done “Rambling” about our Miniminer technology and brand you can refer to my response, I hope ill get the chance, with the other idiot from #2 above.
The problem is non you (KIM AND “CRACK HEAD” Casey above) have any “class”. “Class” and brains unfortunately for you or fortunately in general cant be bought.
Armen
Oh dear,
yet another caught out fraudster resorting to strawman arguments, ad hominem attacks and off topic diversions instead of addressing the core issues which sparked the initial review.
Sigh some things never change
Don’t worry we are not fraustrated. Nor we are arguing. You asked a question, more like made an ignorant statement and I thought I should answer and maybe you can see how ignorant you can be.
Please Get a life and then go do business which ever packages you are promoting from your parrallel blogs.
Pathetic. You must me an MLMer. Smell like one. Everything like one. Ha.
Armen
Granted embarrassing yourself here is as natural as breathing to you Armen but you could not be more night and day wrong about littleroundman.
There is a definite correlation between the higher the level of ignorance & the use of the word ignorant. For ex: Armen.
Hmmn,
I was wondering why Vista Networks’ Alexa ranking plummeted from 200,000+ in April 2018 to over 1million in June and has only made it back onto the ranking chart in November and currently sits at 862,787 following the release of v3.0
After watching Armen Temurian ducking and diving, avoiding answering questions and trying to insult his way out of a tight spot, I wonder no more
Why don’t you spend less time on other blogs and more time here littleman and you would know why our Alexa ranking plummeted and now soaring. (Ozedit: Offtopic derail attempts removed)
Brian must know “littleroundman” really well to vouch for him; Maybe her. Sounds like Dumb and Dumber. Ignorance? Well looks like your an MLMer too.
May I say “Amateurs in MLM”. What we know as today as the Network Marketing industry that got hijacked by idiots – MLMers. If you’ve been around the industry like I have you’ll understand. Otherwise I expect you not to and to keep rambling on.
Like I said get a life and stay away from MLM. Engage in real businesses with real corporate structures and valuable final products for the end user.
Pathetic Amatures.
Armen.
Armen,
The only difference between amateurs and pros in network marketing is the “amateurs” think they may be stealing from friends and family by talking them into joining the scam of the day, but ignore their conscience to make a quick buck.
The “pros” know for sure they are stealing from friends, family, and anyone else who is dumb enough to trust them, and don’t have that pesky conscience to get in their way. You sir, are a pro.
The Pros you are talking about are people like maybe yourself or Picle-O. They’re not called “Pros” they are called “Con Artists” /Amateurs – who hide and use aliases and who don’t behave as grown men or women. We call these Amateurs in this industry. Not Pro my friend.
Real pros in this industry like myself and many others who were for instance Amway “indoctrinated” which you would never understand until you were in that thread, we never scammed anyone – we are the real Leaders who don’t take BS from idiots working the industry and who understand wrong and right.
Maybe you are one of those who can’t understand the differece between Con Artist/Amateur and a real Professional Networker?
Of course you’ve never seen the Amway Nuskin leadership type so that demension of network marketing professional wouldn’t be real for you to understand anyways but you’re such an expert from the space right and you can teach us all, the two differences. Wrongly defining the two distinct characters.
No wonder this space is so shot. You’re struggling to define something so obvious because you obviously have limited experience. Anyway you look at it. Chuck.
Still no explanation of the points made by Oz in his original revue, Mr Temurian?
How about an explanation of why Vista Network let down those hundreds of people who purchased your so called “MiniMiner” No explanation or apologies for them?
So, in ponzi / pyramid terms, Vista Network is now entering “Round three” Why is this round going to be any different than the previous two which left so many victims in their wake?
Did you even know that three months ago VISTA did a mandatory company wide recall on the first version of the MiniMiners?
Did you know that VISTA refunded and continues to Refund any Mini Miner recall sent back to VISTA even now.
Of course you didn’t because you’re a psychic and you don’t ask you spit out your ignorance and again “assuming” something.
The two idiots earlier (Kim and crack head) went on rambling about our technology not even knowing what’s going on with it and what the company is doing about it? Classic example of fake news and defamation.
Do you even know what VISTA 3.0 is or means? For you it’s “Round Three” as if you’re watching a boxing match. Look at the “class” of your words.
Review is spelled “review”. What makes it different? we have corporate calls 2 times a week for our members and investors maybe if you listen to them you can get that answer.
Please don’t become a member of our company. You don’t sound like a smart person.
Most of our members are much more aware and are very sophisticated and educated. Really.
A lot of low level personalities here I’m noticing. Some of you are very intelligent and I commend you and you get it.
Now I’m even wondering what I’m doing here on this blog with people with brains the size of walnuts.
I’m propably going to check out OZ. Thanks for going after the assholes of this industry and exposing them. But please try not to be one sided always.
There are real people trying to do the right things out there they might be in the same space but trying to do it right.
Armen
Still no explanation of the points made by Oz in his original revue, Mr Temurian?
ARMEN: If the average person posting on this site based on what you stated has a brain the size of a walnut, reviewing the intelligence of your posts, I assume your brain must be the size of a pea!
Is that like the difference between amateur killer and professional killer?
Point. You either are a killer, or you aren’t.
Same goes for NWMer/MLMer. Some people may be better at finding more victims, but the definition of what you must do doesn’t change.
quite a few scammer meltdowns since they can’t poach more from their marks after being exposed. lol.
I attempted to post this yesterday, but ran into techie issues and it didn’t post. So trying again.
Despite all the entertainment value of who is going to be suing who and the personal insults tossed back and forth, as littleroundman has said, not one word from you Armen with proof that Oz got his review of Vista Network wrong.
You have told us that Vista Network is not a Ponzi, not a MLM program, if I read your statement correctly, but you have provided zero, nil, nada, zilch information proving his review was wrong.
All owners of a program “say” their program is not a Ponzi, or whatever, but talk is cheap. The proof is in the pudding, and you have provided nothing to substantiate your claims or proved the review by Oz was wrong.
On another note. you register with the SEC “BERFORE” you open for business, not “AFTER” you open for business. That’s what makes your program legally registered.
That does not mean that your program is operating legally. All it means is that you have properly registered the business with the proper authorities and based on your registration you were approved to do business.
Proof of my point is Bernie Madoff. His business was fully licensed and registered with the SEC and it was a pure Ponzi.
In all the reading I have done of Vista Network you have been operating illegally and your program is exactly what Oz said it was in his review.
you are the low level personality you admitted just showed up here to defend their scam.
Hey Lynndel, Thanks for posting.
So our first model of VISTA is no more we stopped this in December and January sometime. I’ve already posted my comments pertaining to that very clearly with oz.
Second at present and for the past many months since then, as you’ve seen how we got bashed earlier here about our “Miniminer” hardware technology, “Vista” has been full on in R&D and manufacturing and selling of gaming and mining Hardware systems.
Real Hardware. So I dont really understand how making hardware and selling of it either for gaming or mining has to involve the SEC?
Bitmain sells 100$ Million dollars of hardware yearly. I’ve never seen the SEC interfer with their sales. So is Bitmain a Ponzi? Is Bitmain violating SEC guidelines?
We have one of the best lawyers in the industry even regulating us a a company to move towards and stay compliant. What all these people dont understand is that we are running a real company with real corporate structures and delivering a real final product that is of value to the consumer not hurt. That happens to be hardware.
Some of these people here are even “lawyers” they talk like lawyers ….and maybe we should hire them if they are better than the ones we employ. (Lol)
Thanks
Armen
Regardless we will still File because we have coins we are going to float to market.
Wait…hired one of the best lawyers to become compliant with the SEC ….USI Tech…is that you? Oh how the MLM world has missed you!
Armen, a few simple questions for you: In what country/countries is Vista Network registered to do business?
Why was the registration set to private? If you were so real, then why not list all the owners of Vista Network instead of hiding from the public?
When Vista Network launched are you now saying that you were not a MLM program and you were not a high yield investment program?
You are aware that offering a HYIP investment program makes you offering an investment or selling securities, right? Vista Network was not registered anywhere to make this type of security offering/investing opportunity.
Now are you are saying that since January you stopped being illegal and are now going legit. Am I interpreting your comments correctly?
This is like a bank robber who robbed banks for 18 months, stopped robbing banks for 11 months and then complains that the FBI arrested him for robbing banks. His defense, he isn’t robbing banks anymore.
From the reviews I have been reading about the your miniminer software is that it has failed miserably at providing the returns claimed the user would receive by using the software.
I only mentioned the filing with the SEC because you were the one who brought it up, but your initial launching of your business did require Vista Network to be registered with the SEC.
You were offering your program to US citizens, and thus you needed to be registered and licensed with the SEC when you launched back in June or July 2017.
@Lynn,
I’m also looking for his answer for the reason behind not registering the business with the SEC.
Armen were you aware that you were offering an illegal security?
Our Domains are all Public. ALL. Unless our VP has taken it private i will check and we will make them Public again.
Our address listed on our website. You can even stop by and see our operations. Open door policy.
We are offering no HYIP. I’m very aware of that and we are not interested in any of that.
Again, let me repeat myself, we sell Hardware just like Bitmain does. Ours are GPU and FPGA based and they are ASICs – only difference.
Our companies are registered California LLCs You can look it up. its public knowledge.
I have met many SCAMMERS in my Life but never met a SCAMMER that believe his own delusional lies until I met Armen Temuryan, Luis Amaya and Hector Ardon from Vista Network.
Armen is saying that he never came to south korea and also that he is not doing business in South Korea, when he came here armen and luis took with themselves about 1000 BTC and 7000 ETH in september 2017 with their program coin doubler in 80 days, we were stupid to believe this money game, and then we flew to California to see the their operation it was a joke we wanted to believe these people but a thief is a thief no matter how you dress him.
The last time I went there and you armen did not show up for the appointment we had, we talked to the Armenian guy who developed the application and the two Armenian told us that you were a thief that you did not pay them the money for the application and told us they invested money and you screw them too.
YOU ARE A THIEF, SCAMMER, LIER. I See you soon Armen finally everybody is getting together to tell world who you are.
I wish that have a conscience but most important HONOR and return everybody’s coins and money because some people gave you CASH a lots of CASH in your Office. GOOD LUCK
KIM you are a moran on top of a liar. I have never met a Korean with ZERO honor like than you. what a con artist.
You are looking more and more like a m… the more you keep opening your mouth. keep talking.
Armen…
I wouldn’t be surprised if Piccolo (aka the “Pickle”) is behind these “KIM” statements. Knowing he (Piccollo) is on his way to jail. Finally we got this con artist. Decades of coming. Decades!
I’m surprised KIM who doesn’t speak any English suddenly his grammar and English turned amazing in these later treads. Interesting isn’t it.
“Kim” let me know what is your address so I could serve you with a defemation lawsuit. Then you can come to court and prove all the BS you are posting. Talk is cheap my friend. Cheap.
Armen
Geez, Armen, how about concentrating on answering the important potential investors questions and leaving the insults alone?
Your behaviour may be acceptable in ponzi player circles, but your inability to provide straight answers is guaranteed to frighten off normal people
Potential investors can come in when we are “investor compliant” we are working on this right now. When we float the company IPO our investors from the past who help build the company will benefit. When we float our digital coins to the blockchain and into exchanges we will have filed with the regulators by then.
We sell Hardware make it and sell it. We develope and code software and license it. We run a social media and we build the membership base and run ads and make revenues. Do you want to purchase any of our products littleroundman?
Armen
What I am reading from your statement is, you have been building a business to this point by raising investment funds illegally in order to start a future legitimate business with.
Look Armen Temuryan (Human Waste) that’s your name translated into Korean. If you want I can send you the flying tickets for you and Luis Amaya so you can serve me here in South Korea (Ozedit Snip, please explain why somebody “in South Korea” is using residential grade internet in California.)
VPN, I love VPN.
I am working from here for the next 3 months. Any other explanation?
Nope. Time Warner don’t offer a VPN service. This is a residential cable service.
Not really.
First VPN lies, then you represented a T-Mobile service in California was a Russian VPN, now “I’m working here” lies. Permanently spam-binned.
“Kim” is piccolo. Piccolo you’re going to jail you con artist you. Thats a promise.
Our attorney is on the case and we are looking forward to our day in court. Looking forward to all depositions under oath especially Armen’s wife Houry and the Mini Miner founder.
The vista.network site says 39,000 happy customers can they produce 10 who are making money with there mini miner. Our 6 that we purchased have not made more than $1 monthly.
Don’t worry we already did a mini miner recall and have refunded everyone you Moran. Stick to the long list of 17 causes you are going to jail for from the complaint. It’s not going to end with that there is more coming.
You’ll be in jail by then don’t worry Piccollo. You’re time is over scamming people for decades. DECADES! Only jail will rehab you. Kevin Jail. Joe Reid Jail. Paul Morris JAIL!
EVEN GOD WONT BE ABLE TO SAVE YOU THIS TIME. Get ready for jail. This is pretty serious what you did. Very serious.
Jail!
Armen.
Case docket came up for review today.
Piccolo and friends tried to get the amended TRO/injunction motion struck off.
They were denied and instead given an extension of time to file a response by January 2nd.
Struck off in just 30 minutes OZ. That’s how long it took the judge to deny their request. Then they called us and asked our pardon and with a letter to promise they would not continue to “Raid”. We said no.
We will say yes to Jail time only. Piccolos end is near in the decades of frauding and stealing from the people we will end it here with VISTA and in Federal Court. I promise this to everyone!
Armen
ARMEN: And you shouldn’t go to JAIL for recruiting people in the US for an illegal security that is unregistered with the SEC?
You come off as Mr. High and Almighty, but your just another scumbag scammer pushing an illegal product and collecting commissions from the Ponzi scheme.
We all know how this will end. You will never be “Investor Compliant”, that’s a fantasy and sounds good for your dog and pony show, as you bring more victims into your fraudualent scheme.
Scamalert
You are another moran my friend. Who ever you are. I’d suggest you stop posting because you are out of line.. look what an idiot you are instead of pouncing on a career crook that has ripped off people for decades (Picollo), you keep on pouncing on us who are working hard to make things right.
What a fool you are. Its idiots like YOU that shouldn’t be taken seriously. Look at your behavior and think about that..?
On another note, oz it has been brought to our attention that Kevin Johnson and Piccolo with Joe Reid from the front pushing it, were the people also behind a huge ponzi that shut down this past November and took off with peoples monies.
As soon as the evidence is sent to us we will be happy to forward it to you. Our sources are pretty credible. The ponzi was called 24/7gains.com
Armen
ARMEN: Yea, your the savior all right, how many times have we’ve seen this play out in the MLM world that someone like yourself pretends to be the “Saint” and out there to save the world from scam artists, and at the same time stealing everybody blind!
I am pouncing on the career crook as you state, his name is ARMEN A. TEMURIAN. My behavior is crystal clear, expose the scam artist in the MLM world and in this case “you”, the MORAN!
Scamalert.
You are out of line my friend out of line. Go get a life and then come talk to me. I’m very easy to be found. Anytime.
Armen
ARMEN: So your not “Investor Compliant” as you state below, but your illegally taking in investors funds, who’s being moral and ethical here ARMEN?
Don’t preach your “High and Almighty” bullshit when your running an illegal business operation!
@Armen,
Why don’t you simply explain how you plan to become investor compliant?
Don’t you think this makes more sense than going back and forth with name calling?
ARMEN: Reviewing the total arrogance of your posts and your complete Blindness of the illegal scheme your running, I’m forwarding all of your Company information and your posts, down to a contact of mine at the FTC for full investigative review.
Analysis: Is this a legitimate business or as I and many others suspect, a total Ponzi Scheme, we will let the FTC decide.
(Ozedit: contact details removed)
That’s not just “blindness” that’s “WILFUL blindness”
Big difference
YO: when we file with the SEC you will see sir. why do I need to explain when I can show you? when we do it you will see it.
There are no “arrogance” here. You attack me I attack you back. if you speak to me like gentleman and or a lady, I’ll speak back to you the same ways. its called RESPECT. it’s a two way street. I’ve covered the word “class” before (above). The problem is non of you are real business people (maybe you come from the villages) and you don’t/wont understand this ever – respect or class.
armen
And, you know this how, exactly ?
Are you psychic – do you have a crystal ball ?
and as always, you are wrong.
Well for first real business community people never talk like both of you. Never. Look at what you say and how you respond. It’s evident you don’t come from real business world. Most likely MLMers and most probable no college level education at all.
Armen.
Right, I think we’re done here. I’ll be marking any further mud slinging comments as spam.
Thank you Oz.
Armen
OZ: Closure is good on this matter, thanks.
Armen says KIM is PICCOLO. I am not KIM who is posting above. Would love to speak with KIM or contact KIM. OZ can you make that happen.
I do love what KIM says in #79.
Kim was outed as not being Kim.
you have no idea how either of us talk in the real business community. you are not part of a ‘business community’. you are part of the scam community.
Love the complete low down from #13 #18 above by Lyunndel Lynn Edginton
She goes in great detail and does an amazing job exposing the list of all of the so called “businesses” (aka SCAMS) Piccolo has been involved in over decades and decades ripping people off and stealing their monies.
Lynndel, you can add 24/7gains.com on that list of dead bodies left by Phil Piccolo and team from just another scam.
Don’t be surprised if they were the ones running this scam and ponzi scheme which took off this past November.
For those of you who lost money in Travelada.com and 24/7gaines.com SCAMS you know now who you can go to for collecting and filing with the authorities thanks to VISTA.
Oh one more thing (Really Important):
Not to mention, on September 28, 2018 (Just months ago) the SEC filed a lawsuit against another one of Piccolo’s companies for non other than – FRAUD! This company is owned by (Kevin Dalton Johnson and Phil Piccolo) based only a few min from their residents in Ft. Lauderdale Florida called “NUTRAPHARMA”.
link: sec.gov/litigation/litreleases/2018/lr24295.htm
Case 2:18-cv-05459 Document 1 Filed 09/28/18
Boy Phil you Pickle”O” you got your hands full. VERY Full.
LOVE #13 & #18 above (address to collect from Piccolo money owed to those people from his decades of stealing.
Armen
Article updated with motion of dismissal filing.
Armen, a minor correction. I am a “he” not a “she.” No offense taken as it happens all the time.
I’m so sorry my apologies sir.
Armen
No apologies needed, but kind of you to offer and accepted.
I actually had two blogs where my profile showed I was male, and they still wouldn’t believe me and said I was a woman. Too funny.
Wow I noticed Armen stopped defending himself on this site from long before we had any type of agreement:
https://behindmlm.com/mlm-reviews/vista-network-review-bitcoin-ethereum-80-day-doubler-ponzi/
Does anyone know what piece of shit piccolo’s official address is?
Which of the three do you want? It depends on which alias he uses as to which address he uses.
But you will have to contact me via email for the ones we have for him, but they could have changed by now.
Article updated with news of case heading to mediation.
Updates Armen?
Working on it. Very soon. Thanks for following up. Don’t worry we will send it to Mr. OZ first.
Armen.
Armen please don’t try to leave comments under different names. Thanks.
Article updated with news of mediation deadline and hearing.
Still waiting for that SEC filing Armen….
Hi,
If you’re not aware of it Piccolo has started a new scam after leaving the people in his last business high and dry owing them over a million dollars.
Here’s a video sharing some details where you can listen to Phil lying and cussing – youtu.be/TuiJ2KRMLWg
If you want a good laugh regarding criminal piccolo go here – youtu.be/yctNoqSaLd0
Felix Piccolo Celebrates Huge Victory In Federal Court Today
Felix in his 43 years experience has many friends and many enemies in the business. Remember this 66 year old man, father of 8 and grandpa of 6 does not even have an unpaid parking ticket attached to his name.
However with the INTERNET being the Wild Wild West you can say anything you want these days. Well one company months ago who actually stole over 12 million dollars from people tried to go after Felix.
Spending over hundred thousand dollars in a Federal Lawsuit. Of course Felix did not even know these people when they stole the 12 million dollars. But today a federal judge handed down a victory by dismissing much of what was said. Here is a quote from Felix’s attorney today.
GOD IS GOOD – ALL THE TIME
ALL THE TIME – GOD IS GOOD
(Ozedit: derails removed)
Celebrate? Celebrate what? This is such a good example what spinner and “fake news” word twisting con you are Piccolo.
As the CEO of my company which is a relatively large size company all i see is a man celebrating in denial and posting “fake news” when in reality he is on the road to jail time.
And here the link from Mr. OZ which 100% accurately explains the current standing of this case.
Read what Mr. OZ reports (100% on point reporting) then come back to this page and read again one more time the message right about from the Defendant getting sued in FEDERAL COURT by VISTA TECHNOLOGIES and you will see what a f.. spinner of words this narcissist is (should i say anymore read yourself and compare).
BEHINDMLM.COM Latest update on our case on point reported by Mr.OZ
https://behindmlm.com/companies/multiple-counts-dismissed-in-vista-network-piccolo-lawsuit/
After you do that please click on this link to learn about the new company that KEVIN Johnson, PICCOLO, and Paul Morris, with Joseph Reid just opened a few months ago when VISTA sued the previous scheme they were running called TRAVELADA.
From our lawsuit TRAVELADA Folded so they had no choice to rebrand their website and redesign their back office so it looks like a different company and started:
Let’s Go ABC Scam – The Next Phil Piccolo Scam
youtube.com/watch?v=q_VILduuL-o&t=5s
So because of this video above exposing Piccolo and VISTA’S damaging lawsuit surfacing these career scammers finally,… so now they are pitching this new scam called “LETSGOABC” or also referred or pitched by my their network team as “ABC SYSTEMS” or “ABC SYSTEM MLM”. Its the same people – same company same owners (Piccolo).
So Heads up everyone please. Heads up to all of you and everyone you know head ups for them too.
Best,
Armen A. Temurian
CEP @ VISTA TECHNOLOGIES LLC
And we are going onto a year later, what is the update?
we will file soon. we are waiting for the defendants to also provide us with some of our financial data they took off with in the short VISTA2.0.
the judge has ordered them to release the software we have a few experts looking at it now.
our goal is to File by December 2019. we hope we can have everything the SEC needs from us. we will certainly file. there is no exception to this.
you are welcome to plug into our twice a week corporate conference and update calls we do or drop into our Glendale Ca office for a complete update anytime. We are very transparent and “open”.
thanks for the follow up “Yo”. please feel free to do so again in the next few months or I will post it with Mr. Oz. as soon as we know an exact date of filing.
Armen.
Aaaaand…?