WellStar Review: A €44.5 million EUR annual bonus?
WellStar launched in 2004 and is headed up by Founder and CEO, Christian Wiesner.
As per Wiesner’s WellStar corporate bio;
Christian looks back to more than 10 years international experience as an active networker.
He was one of the industry´s most successful leaders in Europe with an overall team size of 120,000 customers.
Possibly due to language-barriers (German), I was unable to ascertain what company/companies Weisner was active in prior to 2004.
In 2015 WellStar lost top affiliate Kari Wahlroos, which resulted in a public spat between the two parties.
Wahlroos left WellStar to promote OneCoin, a points-based Ponzi scheme. WellStar responded by accusing Wahlroos of engaging in “criminal behaviour”.
Wahlroos countered by claiming he left WellStar because the ‘company will never deliver on the promises you make‘.
Wahlroos claimed that when he approached Weisner about fixing WellStar’s “endless problems”, he was simply to told to “recruit more” affiliates.
The administration of Wellstar remains a disgrace.
Products flaws. A product returns system that does not work. Non-existent of customer support, terrible partner support.
We both know that so many leaders have quit because they don’t earn any money so you have to launch a new country every 3 months.
The worst issue with Wellstar is the financial matters, especially delayed commission payments.
Countless leaders, and especially me, have suffered from delayed and incorrect commission payments. And because the Wellstar model is only about recruiting ‘in the fast start’, the plan does not work so no-one earns any money.
Weisner dismissed Wahlroos’ claims as “lies and false and cheap accusations”.
Read on for a full review of the WellStar MLM business opportunity.
The WellStar Product Line
WellStar operate in the personal care niche, with a number of cosmetic orientated products listed on their website.
- BYAS Face Lifter – an “all-in-one high tech skin rejuvenation system for home use”
- BYAS MOVE MST Eye Lifter – “combines pure Hyaluronan special serum for eyes with professional skin rejuvenation technologies”
- BYAS Body Lifter – an “exclusive all-in-one high tech body forming system for home use”
No retail pricing is provided on the WellStar website.
The WellStar Compensation Plan
Despite provided definitions and liberal use of diagrams, the WellStar compensation plan is poorly presented and explained.
Nonetheless it appears to be unilevel based, with additional performance-based bonuses on offer.
WellStar Affiliate Ranks
There are fifteen ranks within the WellStar compensation plan.
Along with their respective qualification criteria, they are as follows:
- Vice-President – generate 0.6 PV a month (either via autoship, purchase of product or retail customer orders)
- Trainee – maintain 0.6 PV a month and recruit at least two new Vice-President affiliates (each VP unilevel leg must generate a minimum 5 GV a month each)
- Junior Manager – maintain 0.6 PV a month and two recruited Vice-President affiliates (each VP unilevel leg must generate a minimum 10 GV a month each)
- Manager – maintain 0.6 PV a month and two recruited Vice-President affiliates (each VP unilevel leg must generate a minimum 25 GV a month each)
- Director – maintain 0.6 PV a month and 100 PV (see note below)
- Country Director – maintain 0.6 PV a month and 100 PV for two subsequent months (see note below)
- Regional Vice-President – maintain 0.6 PV, 200 PV a month (see note below) and have two unilevel legs generating 100 GV a month for three consecutive months
- National Vice President – maintain 0.6 PV, 500 PV a month (see note below) and have three unilevel legs generating 100 GV a month for three consecutive months
- International Vice President – maintain 0.6 PV, 1000 PV a month (see note below) and have four unilevel legs generating 100 GV a month for three consecutive months
- Ambassador – maintain 0.6 PV, 2500 PV a month (see note below) and have five unilevel legs generating 100 GV a month for three consecutive months
- Crown Ambassador – maintain 0.6 PV, 5000 PV a month (see note below) and have seven unilevel legs generating 100 GV a month for three consecutive months
- Double Crown Ambassador – maintain 0.6 PV, 10,000 PV a month (see note below) and have nine unilevel legs generating 100 GV a month for three consecutive months
- Triple Crown Ambassador – maintain 0.6 PV, 25,000 PV a month (see note below) and have eleven unilevel legs generating 100 GV a month for three consecutive months
- Royal Crown Ambassador – maintain 0.6 PV, 50,000 PV a month (see note below) and have twelve unilevel legs generating 100 GV a month for three consecutive months
- Grand Royal Ambassador – maintain 0.6 PV, 100,000 PV a month (see note below) and have twelve unilevel legs generating 300 GV a month for three consecutive months
Regarding the multiple PV qualification requirements, I believe the 0.6 PV figure (cited as PPV in the comp plan) is personal purchases. The second PV figure is volume generated by an affiliate’s personally recruited affiliates only.
This includes their autoship orders, purchase of products otherwise and retail orders.
I’m not 100% sure on this but that’s what I was able to ascertain from the provided definitions:
PPV = personal PV = your personal orders.
PV – Commission value Each product has been assigned a PV, which determines the commission amount.
Generally, EUR 100 in sales corresponds to approx. 1 PV. For each PV, EUR 90 is channeled into the incentive plan.
This means that each partner earns a percentage share corresponding to his or her level in the commission plan of EUR 90 per each PV of his or her team sales.
As you can see the provided definitions are far from clear.
Retail Commissions
WellStar affiliates are paid a retail commission when they sell WellStar products to retail customers.
How much of a retail commission earned depends on how many retail orders are generated every four weeks and for what product:
- MST Eye Lifter – 1 customer = €35, 2 customers = €37, 4 customers = €39, 8 customers = €42, 12 customers = €44, 20 customers = €49 and 30 or more customers = €54
- Face Lifter and Body Lifter – 1 customer = €222, 2 customers = €242, 4 customers = €262, 8 customers = €283, 12 customers = €303, 20 customers = €343 and 30 customers = €384
Note that the above commission rates are per order placed over a rolling four-week period.
WellStar affiliates are also eligible to qualify for discounts on their own product purchases, based on their personal sales volume over the same rolling four-week period.
Recruitment Commissions
WellStar’s explanation of FastStart bonuses in their compensation plan makes little sense.
From what I can work out affiliates are paid up to 25% of the fees newly recruited affiliates pay, with specific percentages tied to rank:
- VP (Vice-President?) – 3%
- Junior Manager – 6%
- Manager – 10%
- Director – 15%
- Regional Vice-President – 20%
- National Vice-President – 25%
Differential bonuses of up to €198 EUR are available on the above commissions, which I believe sees higher ranked affiliates collecting breakage on commissions lower ranked affiliates earn.
A matching bonus on recruitment commissions earned by personally recruited affiliates at the same rank as you is paid out as follows:
- Director – 10%
- Regional Vice-President and National Vice-President – 20%
There is also something called a “level bonus” that pays up to €3000 EUR, however there’s no explanation as to what the bonus actually is.
Residual Commissions
Residual commissions in WellStar are paid out via a unilevel compensation structure.
A unilevel compensation structure places an affiliate at the top of a unilevel team, with every personally recruited affiliate placed directly under them (level 1):
If any level 1 affiliates go on to recruit new affiliates, they are placed on level 2 of the original affiliate’s unilevel team.
If any level 2 affiliates recruit new affiliates, they are placed on level 3 and so on and so forth down a theoretical infinite number of levels.
Commissions are paid out as a percentage of sales volume generated on each unilevel level, with how many levels an affiliate earns on determined by their rank:
- Vice-President – 5% on levels 1 and 2
- TR – 5% on levels 1 to 3
- Junior Manager – 5% on levels 1 to 4
- Manager – 5% on levels 1 to 5
- Director – 5% on levels 1 to 5
- CD – 5% on levels 1 to 6
- Regional Vice-President – 5% on levels 1 to 7 and 10% on level 8
- National Vice-President – 5% on levels 1 to 8 and 10% on level 9
- International Vice-President – 5% on levels 1 to 9 and 10% on level 10
- Ambassador and higher – 5% on levels 1 to 11 and 10% on level 12
A 20% bonus is available on level 5, subject to the following qualification criteria:
JM = ASP + 2 E1 New PV. DIR to RCA = ASP + 4 E1 New PV
(Don’t ask me what that means)
Europe Bonus Pool
The Europe Bonus Pool appears to be made up of a percentage of WellStar’s company-wide sales volume.
Starting at the Director rank, nine pools are detailed in the WellStar compensation plan. The Director rank has a percentage value of 4%, right up to Royal Crown Ambassador at 20%.
Whether or not these percentages are accumulated or independent of eachother at each rank is unclear.
To qualify for shares in the Europe Bonus Pool though, an affiliate must have a standing 0.6 PV autoship order and “4 E1 New PV” (I don’t know what this means).
A matching bonus of up to 50% is available
on all qualified partners of the respective Pool Level from Europe (Europe Pool) and to 50% on all qualified partners of the respective Pool Level in the given country (Country Pool).
Founder Pool
WellStar affiliates qualify for a share in the Founder Pool by ranking as a Crown Ambassador within one year of joining the company, or as a Double or Royal Crown Ambassador within two years.
Despite this qualification criteria, the compensation plan lists bonuses starting at “Gold Club”:
- Gold Club (2000 places) – pool is made up of up to €45,000 EUR
- Regional Vice-President (1000 places) – pool is made up of up to €109,285 EUR
- National Vice-President (200 places) – pool is made up of up to €221,785 EUR
- International Vice-President (100 places) – pool is made up of up to €446,785 EUR
- Ambassador (50 places) – pool is made up of up to €896,758 EUR
- Crown Ambassador (25 places) – pool is made up of up to €1,796,758 EUR
- Double Crown Ambassador (12 places) – pool is made up of up to €3,596,758 EUR
- Triple Crown Ambassador (10 places) – pool is made up of up to €7,058,296 EUR
- Royal Crown Ambassador (3 places) – pool is made up of up to €22,058,296 EUR
- Grand Royal Ambassador (1 place) – pool is made up of up to €44,558,296 EUR
The WellStar compensation plan states that the pool is paid out annually, and that
once the maximum number of founder positions available has been reached, you are no longer eligible to qualify for the Founder Pool.
How his works at the upper tier ranks (Grand Royal Ambassador has only one position, for example) is unclear.
Car Bonus
WellStar’s car bonus requires affiliates to qualify for a share in the Europe Bonus Pool for three consecutive months.
The Car Bonus is a monthly cash bonus, put towards repayments of a car:
- National Vice-President – €1200 EUR a month
- International Vice-President – €2000 EUR a month
- Ambassador – €2500 EUR a month
- Crown Ambassador or higher – €3500 EUR a month
Maldives Master University
Become Regional Vice President (the regulations of the respectively current incentives apply) in your first 6 weeks and qualify for the WellStar Master University on the Maldives, including special training for Crown Ambassadors with WellStar CEO, Christian Wiesner.
Joining WellStar
Basic affiliate membership with WellStar is €49 EUR.
Bronze, Silver and Gold affiliate memberships are also available, however costs are not disclosed on the WellStar website.
I did try to ascertain these costs via additional research but was unable to do so.
Conclusion
Whether it’s language-barrier issues, the fact that WellStar was founded twelve years ago – whatever the reason – WellStar as an MLM opportunity is in desperate need of an overhaul.
Problems arise with a lack of disclosure on the WellStar website, spanning retail prices, affiliate membership costs and basic compensation plan information.
As to the compensation plan itself, there’s a lot of information presented but not much of it makes any sense. I’ve been sitting on this review for a few days now trying to make heads or tails of much of the plan, with the end-result being more educated guesswork than comprehension of the information provided.
An abundance of abbreviations and non-standard terminology makes what is already a difficult to process compensation plan even more complicated.
Qualification: JM = ASP + 2 E1 New PV. DIR to RCA = ASP + 4 E1 New PV.
Exemption from qualification: Starting from 5 direct partners with each an active ASP per month, you receive your own ASP free of charge.
Starting from 10 direct partners with each an active ASP per month, you don´t need to have E1 volume yourself (the E1 New PV is the PGV of your personally sponsored partners in their Faststart).
Who WellStar wrote their compensation plan documentation for is unclear, but it certainly wasn’t their affiliates or the general public – much the less someone who’s intimately familiar with the various MLM compensation plans out there.
And what’s this nonsense about a €44.5 million EUR annual payout to Grand Royal Ambassador annually? Anybody with even half a clue should be able to suss out that’s never going to be realized.
Even the millions of EUR listed for the ranks below Grand Royal Ambassador in the Founder Pool seem ridiculous.
The cynic in me typically attributes a lack of disclosure and confusion in an MLM opportunity’s presentation, with there being something to hide.
With that in mind, the following official “steps to success” WellStar advise their affiliates to undertake certainly raised eyebrows:
Your steps to success:
1. Get started by becoming an independent partner with WellStar.
2. Start the Autoship programme.
3. Qualify as Junior Manager or even as high as National Vice President in your Faststart in the first 4 weeks.
4. Sponsor 5 partners or more, and show them steps 1 – 4.
Sign up as a WellStar affiliate, sign up for monthly autoship, increase size of autoship to qualify as a National Vice-President, recruit five affiliates and get them to do the same.
This is undoubtedly the blueprint of an autoship recruitment scheme, in which little to no retail activity takes place.
Additionally, WellStar describe affiliate autoship as a way to “secure your active status to be entitled for receiving commissions”.
Given Kari Wahlroos’ comments about affiliate recruitment, my guess is this is the core of the WellStar business opportunity.
As a prospective WellStar affiliate, I’d strongly suggest enquiring with your potential upline as to how many retail orders they are taking each month.
If you’re like me and can’t make heads or tails of most of WellStar’s compensation plan though, probably best to avoid the opportunity altogether.
They are very loud about their leaders earning huge bonuses, the very same leaders always disappear before the bonus pay day. As you mentioned in this very piece, Kari Wahlroo’s.
There is a big stir regarding a handful of UK and European leaders being kicked out recently and they are said to be owed extremely large amounts from this founders pool (we are talking 4,5 and 6 figure amounts).
There are many horror stories surrounding this company and the owner. As the leaders disappear so does the activity in those countries, hence why the owner moves to new countries and history repeats. They look to be focused on Italy this moment as the next victim.
Car bonus is promoted all the time, very few if any receive it. Due to everything being complicated and constantly changing on a daily and weekly basis.
Retail sales is a curious topic as the majority of the sales here are through this autoship system, which every member must be on and paying each month to receive commissions.
Outside of the autoship there is certainly not 70% of the business through shops or non-mlm customers. These non-mlm customers pay 30% more than Wellstar people.
Wellstar is a Big scam, he never pay out commissions!
Manupilate bonuses, pay no tax in some countries, very Easy to check up all details, company is totaly Broke and have always been.
I have known Christian Wiesner for over 11 years – he used to work for Innoflex the German company selling energy products but was terminated because of his cocaine addiction.
He told me that he was clean and does not even drink – personally I dont believe him. This man is A LIAR and crook.
He promotes a beauty product that gets rid of wrinkles – my first question is this “DOES HE USE THE PRODUCT HIMSELF?” I don’t think so.
This greasy creator faced idiot reminds me of the American fat people trying to sell you a diet programme – lol, that’s like taking relationship advice from Joan Collins or the late Elizabeth Taylor.
Bottom line is that he does not pay commissions and is full of SHIT.
Stay well clear of this fake opportunity.
I want How system work? It will be One man Sponsor 3 leg?
How to to Make Level?
Levels of the unilevel team are populated when you recruit affiliates, who recruit affiliates, who recruit affiliates etc.
Christen is recruiting aggressively in Malaysia now.
Is it safe to join?
Thank you.
How much sales to retail customers is going on with that recruitment.
If it’s zero or close to you have your answer.
This guy is REALLY pushing the Malaysian market right now.
There are very few blogs or posts from UK and Netherlands saying that byas wellstar is a pyramid scheme and a scam or that the promoter or “Partner” as the company promotes have many difficulties in getting their payments.
Another suspicious thing is that the company has been jumping through all of Europe but no friends of mine that are living in Europe have actually heard of their products or the company itself.
There isn’t even a clear price list or clear way to buy their products independently.
The promised profit is very exciting but my gut feeling is telling me that it is a scam just due to their recruitment scheme and the fact that you have to buy a “Package” to get enrolled.
Please if anyone has a clear idea on this company let me know before I get involved and actually lose money instead of earning it.
This idiot is the biggest crook in MLM:
(Ozedit: FB link removed, content not accessible)
He is an arrogant aggressive CEO who has ruined many peoples lives with false promises.
You can save $900 by buying the same product (cheap) from Ali babba for $30.
Can someone pls share more information of this company and ceo? Who is he? He has so many negative news from I see from here.
He is banging hard in Malaysia n so are a lot of aunties involved now. I m very worried as my relatives are involved in this MLM.
Are your aunties making sales to retail customers or just recruiting new affiliates?
If they’re just recruiting, Wellstar is operating as a pyramid scheme.
They are recruiting with products. Those members has to buy the products to enter.
The problem is we don’t know anything about this CEO and company wellstar which suddenly came to Malaysia. I hope someone from Germany who knows about the company pls feedback.
That’s your stock standard product-based pyramid scheme.
If Alexa is anything to go by, Wellstar isn’t active in EU any more. There’s a reason schemes like this are dumped on Asia.
I’m not in Germany, but a quick web search tells me it’s an obscure little company, and just about the only thing one can find (except their own advertising) are people warning that it’s a pyramid scam.
Everything I found is several years old, suggesting they’re not really active in their home country anymore.
The most recent sign of corporate activity I found is the publication of their balance sheet in the official government publication for such things, the Bundesanzeiger, where their most recent publication was on March 27, 2019.
I can’t provide a direct link, you have to go to the search page at bundesanzeiger.de/ebanzwww/wexsservlet and put “Wellstar GmbH & Co” in the search box (don’t get them confused with another unrelated company called Wellstar, which makes cardboard packaging).
Rather curiously, that March 2019 publication is merely a revised version of their balance sheet for 2016, which they first published only in October 2018. There’s nothing more recent.
Those accounts show the company to be in a state of what is called balance sheet insolvency (“bilanziell überschuldet”), i.e. they have more liabilities than assets, to the tune of €779.282,99 exactly, on assets of about €4.7 million. This would normally be a prelude to banktruptcy.
However, the 2019 addition to these 2016 numbers, signed by the Mr. Wiesner shown above, promises that they have unspecified “measures” and “planning” in place (“von der Gesellschaft eingeleiteten Maßnahmen und der darauf aufbauenden Planung”) so that they can keep paying the bills until the end of 2019, and won’t have to apply for banktruptcy just yet.
Perhaps people in Malaysia thinking of signing up with them can ask for a copy of a more recent balance sheet, to see if they are now financially healthy. And perhaps also an explanation for the repeated odd delays in publication.
The 2014 balance sheet was only published in 2016, then also had to be revised in 2018.
The 2015 balance was only published in 2018. At the very least, their accounting department must be a mess.
They started in 2006, and the last balance sheet that seems to have been published normally was the one for 2013.
My curiosity piqued, I also glanced at the balances for 2013 and 2011, and in both those years, they also were in balance sheet insolvency, in 2011 for a hefty €1.6 million.
Perhaps someone who knows more about accounting than I do can explain how a company with numbers like that can survive.
This site has some background on Mr Wiesner.
gomopa.net/Pressemitteilungen.html?id=1579
The article above mentions he issued a certificate to himself, so any document that is not received directly from a governmental institution should be assumed to be a forgery by Mr Wiesner.
You might not be able to convince them. The MLM/Ponzi game brings out the worst in people.
@john: You are right. They won’t believe it’s a ponzi game with products.
@passing by: thanks for sharing on his solvency statues in euro.
I have no evidence to show them. Everyone will just think I m a wet blanket.
If they speak English, ask them to listen to this
bbc.co.uk/programmes/p07nkd84/episodes/downloads
Check out the article I mentioned above (use google translate)
Or read this:
forum.mywot.com/reputation-discussions-f5/hi-check-out-this-page-t11078.html
You’re the clever one, they’re the dumb ones. Take a video of trying to talk them out of it and never ever delete it. It might spare your family next time (but probably not this time).
Samantha:
There might be something you can do in regard to the products WellStar is selling.
Wiesner has gone through a succession of products over the years, but they’ve got one thing in common: they’re cheap, run-of-the-mill stuff he gets from China, which he sells at ridiculous prices, presenting it as something unique to his company.
This was easier to get away with in the past than it is now, when thanks to Alibaba/AliExpress anyone in Europe can easily order the same things directly from the same Chinese sources. I presume that’s even more true in Malaysia.
So it might be worthwile to take a look at whatever it is they’re selling, and see if you can’t find the same things online (after all, that must be how he finds his suppliers as well).
Simply looking at AliExpress might be a good start. If you can show people a website where they can buy the exact same thing for a fraction of the price, and without any MLM strings attached, that could be very persuasive to someone who hasn’t signed up yet.
Of course, if confronted with such information, WellStar itself will no doubt claim that their product is entirely different, and that what you can find much cheaper are actually inferior knockoffs.
You must always remember that you’re dealing with people who lie for a living.
I have a dear friend who is in this as this Christian is selling this very aggressively. And I don’t have a good feeling about this as the rewards is too good to be true.
Any advice?
You can point out the obvious but if your friend is too far gone, you might have to sit on the side and wait for the inevitable.
John,
Thank you for your links but the one from BBC is not about Wellstar. I read the other link on this guy called Christian.
Luckily I Google “Wellstar scam” and found this website before paying over USD700. I always search a new company with the word scam added.
This guy call Christian is now living in Malaysia and together with a Malaysian is conducting OPP nearly everyday via Zoom and offering all leaders an agreement with some pre-launch incentives.
They claim to open in Malaysia, Singapore and Japan soon but can’t even tell their Malaysia’s company name, no MLM business license or when they will open an office. So how an agreement be valid if the business is not legal in Malaysia?
I feel skeptical with their products claim using the Malaysian guy as a testimonial. I suspect he shaved his head bald and claim his hair is growing after using their product.
They claimed they operated since 2005 and now the no.1 MLM Company with an article from a German magazine named MANAGER. I started to feel suspicious when I cannot even find anyone talk about them in Europe and no other office in the world.
Can you give me more information what this CEO Christian did in the past?
Caution, payout system is gray. Will share further updates if this company is truly reliable.
He is staying in Malaysia and banging on Malaysian hard. How to show he is a scammer? Desperate.
Pyramid schemes are run by scammers (???).
We are all getting paid, getting amazing product results and the system has improved by leaps and bounds.
The global e wallet system is even ready now and the bonuses are just 1 click away into our bank accounts.
No, it isn’t. But it’s about another ponzi scheme and in the end they are all the same. Do listen and you’ll be cured.
If you read the review on this page and go through the comments, you will find enough background information.
How about reading the review and going through the comments here, and maybe doing some basic research about how ponzi schemes work?
If someone has to defend a business opportunity with “we’re getting paid”, they’re shying away from defending the business model itself. Which almost always means what they’re doing to get paid isn’t legitimate.
Our UPDATE: Currently Wellstar Malaysia’s situation is they are trying very hard to “roll” the money within the country.
There is a constant promotion for products and the so called “Leaders” are asking customers/potential partners to bank in to the Malaysia account that they have. However, when asking the leaders about the LEGITIMACY of the company, they will all say “it’s still in the process”.
The CEO Mr Christian Weisner likes to say, be the Lion, not the kitty cat, so why can’t he be brave and pay while staying in Asia?!
Asians are nice here, but our patience is wearing thin, mess with our money your reputation will go down the South China Sea.
(ps. will share more updates, still waiting for my leader to update me on the payout issue, i doubt they could solve any problem, oh wait, WELLSTAR doesn’t have an office in Asia yet)
I am the one who gave the entire Malaysia business to Mr.christian wiesne, I Was the first person to take meeting in KL, behind Sheraton hotel.
My name is Madhusudan and I am from India , I have all proofs anybody can ping me on my what’s app (removed) I can send All the pics and videos.
I did not get any commissions as per the company business plan not only me my team did not get any commissions in India.
Company is a big fraud, they don’t pay tax to any country customs, they undercote the price at customs and the sell it ten times higher the actual coted price they cheat people and they cheat government. And moreover products will never give you promising results ,,
we all have lost lot of money and lotus of time in this wellstar (Vyas)company, don’t waste your time with Mr.weisner he is a just show off guy,, be careful don’t fall in his trap.
Why don’t you mention about how you took payment from your people and did not give them the products?
You kept the money. When CEO found out about this he stopped your commissions.
People who play victim never tell the whole story. For those reading this, just know there are many articles talking bad about every MLM in existence.
From our records Madhusudhan did not build Malaysia. The leaders there did.
John Doe, you might me a fake I’d created by MR.weisnor and defending himself by giving fake answers here,,
what happened in Italy, what happened in Mongolia and what happened in India All are looted with dummy and fake products with out even box ..
we sold those machines in plastic carry bags,, potential of selling is us so don’t fall in trap of this company..
Please don’t involve in this company in Malaysia ..
the top leader MR.Yoga I have Introduced him to Mr.chriestian weisner.. just two or three people will get benefits in the company all others can’t even get any penny commissions and more over all the testimonials what they are showing are fake ,,
ask the ceo to give the contact numbers of the testimonies.. not to show fake graphic videos..
save your money and save your time ..
Ask any members, This company has no capital, no slightest knowledge to even run a business.
It’s a just a MLM recruiting agency. That’s it. Join WELLSTAR, BYAS = DISASTER. Simple as that.
Don’t believe? Go ahead and search for those testimonies on Facebook like the company suggested, and check if those old partners are still in Wellstar, and why they left, then you shall have your answer.
Dear John Doe, so tell me why Wellstar is not delivering and paying commissions in whole Europe as well.
In Europe nobody is keeping the money of nobody. Only WELLSTAR is keeping money of everybody.
If you want I can ask to 1000 people to tell the story in this website.
Wellstar has started to recruit in Japan, and reading all these reviews is telling me Byas is no good!
oh my God! we just started and we realize the payment system is weird and bad. くそ
Good grief people. Actually do some real due diligence before joining any business/money-making opportunity. It is paying, we are in the process of being registered to be legal is not real due diligence.
You are buying a lie. A real company gets registered “BEFORE” they launch. They have real bio’s of the real founders of the company and management team, not photo-shopped and pictures stolen from the Internet.
Why are you taking investment advice from people you don’t know, and accept what they are telling you is the truth? This SCREAMS Ponzi. The founder’s whole bio is one big lie after another regarding his accomplishments. And people are asking if this is real after all that has been posted so far? Seriously?
If you don’t know by now this is a Ponzi, you will never know, and you will lose your money.
Stop passing the buck to others and do your own real due diligence. For if you do, you will never, ever fall for one of these Ponzi’s again, for you will know how to spot them a mile off.
This company LOVES Zoom for sure. I watched their super saturday before, and was almost being tricked into the company.
Their Zoom presentation is all fancy, talking about how they are the “future” of beauty technology. But, the management team is no where to be seen.
They never share if their product is covered by insurance, so if anything happens, it’s on you. The MLM leaders are the one that present everything from the product, to the technology , to the marketing plan. Suddenly MLM leaders become experts in technology? What a classic sham, scamy company.
By the way, getting featured on the magazine doesn’t mean anything, they probably buy their “red carpet” in.
I am from Malaysia. They offer me an agreement with a higher position to start but when I ask them for their direct selling license and where is their office in Malaysia, they can’t show anything but keep boosting Philippines is doing well.
The same leader is giving presentation on Zoom like no staff at all.
The agreement is not there to pay you more, but is there for the point #7 of the agreement: if you talk bad about company or CEO or put company or CEO in bad image, you can be punished with 100.000 euro of penalty.
Is the way CEO try to protect himself and put a mask on the leaders mouths after they realize who is him.
Don’t sign that trap.
How ones sells products in Malaysia without any documents, track records,brochures which NEVER be found anywhere on the planet?
Claiming himself as a billionaire which not being listed in billionaires club anywhere, leave alone millionaire. Boosting of billion hairs.. more likely?
Changing plans to entice leaders to push leaders and sell, sell and getting CONNED and victims of this ponzi scheme. Using MCO as an excuse for whatever being promised.
Packaging is part of the process of marketing of any product, NO instructions manual by law and warranty.
Even Pasar Malam sell goods also with all necessary packaging and instructions.
The serum, cleanser are NOT made in as claimed as Germany has VERY strict laws and conformity which has been printed in their respective label.
High probability MADE IN CHINA. No traceability.
In any MLM, there’s a return clause in EU companies in or outside Germany which not included.
Said to be 2 years warranty, HOW to have warranty where there is NOT even an office in Malaysia or an address or contact to reach.
Ion Sojic technology is being founded in UK and NOT Germany to begin with and and there are other machines doing the same job and most importantly paying a quarter of what this conman is claiming. Cosmetic companies having the same serum for less.
Millions have be conned out the country and JUSTICE must be done to this conman.
Especially those in Indonesia, Japan, Philippines where MLM is permitted.
Well, it has been 4 months now Since my relatives got involved in wellstar and the truth has burst which I told my relatives in the past not to waste her time but she doesn’t believe. She rather believe outside friends.
The fact is, wellstar doesn’t pay Full commission n doesn’t have MLM liscence. It’s not about who started in Malaysia or whatever.
The fact is Christian lied About the passive income and sold a dream to those guys n out of greed they chose to get involve in this fake MLM.
I told them that he never give a car or passive monthly once you sell 40 PV right and 40 PV left coz the total cost will be less than a car. It’s common sense.
A lot of things are just lies Which we can see but my relatives Rather believe in a dream.
He and his company have done the tour in Europe and won’t convince anyone here anymore.
Wellstar once became Webstar where he sold an ecommerce to his leaders who brought in thousands of people with a 600 $ license cost and he never delivered.
He promised the people they would have A brands like Nike Sony etc in their store and as soon as they saw the unknown brands at pre-launch people knew it was fake.
After that he immediately focused again on Wellstar but more the brand Byas to sell devices and 24 months refill obligations subscriptions in products.
When the people found out after 2-3 months the business models wasn’t sustainable, they still had almost for 2 years of products often paid with loans.
It has always been over-promising overselling and under-delivering with Christian, he is a pure megalomaniac.
I did believe in this company at a certain point , but my conscious keep telling me that this company, marketing plan, the way they operate is OFF, Shady, and Ponzi-like.
There are too many negative reviews from ppl who left, yet we can’t really find solid evidence. As if the company try to eliminate as much as they can.
I was related to one of the powerful leaders back then and I’ve seen how fast she left. We did wish we knew earlier than Christian is a scammer before it too late.
It’s not a future Amazon or tech company, it’s a shell company led by a ludicrous scammer. Don’t be fooled by his presentation, he’s a goner.
In Italy all the leaders gone 100% and now a big lawsuit will start against Wellstar for commission not paid since October and 500 missing deliveries.
Japan leaders will loose face with this company. Wiesner reduces his debts kicking out leaders from company. This CEO is a conman. Don’t give him your trust.
Yes he is scamming malaysian, Philippines, taiwan and japan, this greasy looking narcissistic psychopaths who thinks the world revolved around him.
He defaulted in payment, no delivery of products, manipulated everyones chain of downline, claw back commissions as well.
He likes to divert the mess he created to the people and play victim. See him through like an open magazine. He think he is smart but he is a dumb ass whom i dont trust when i first laid my eyes on his greasy hole face.
Millionaire my ass, staying in cheap hotel in malaysia. Take pic of KLCC to boost his image. Oh ya, he paid people to arrange birthday celebration for him in malaysia to project to the world people are celebrating and cheering for him. what a joke and self calculated move to boost his own image because he knows he has none.
Oh ya he also likes to abuse the word « im a man of God, i pray bla bla » shut the hell up. He is think he can psycho everyone with his hollow words.
Never a day gone by this guy has not tried to delay bonus payments to the partners who had worked so hard for it. He is only interested in the PVs that will give him money to cover up all the holes he has dug.
Good leaders are leaving Wellstar like crazy because of unfulfilled promises. After 29 years in MLM, all he can talk about is only Kim Madsen? Who is not even a leader in his company? That’s a joke right?
So many lives are destroyed because he is not interested in building a strong company. He is only interested to pay his debts which could land him in trouble if he doesn’t pay them.
Once he is finished with 1 country, he will pack his bag and go. It is the same with the European countries, Mongolia, India and now Malaysia, Philippine and Japan.
Stay away from this man. By his actions and words, it is a shame calling himself a man of God! That’s blasphemous!
This international fraud has collapsed Malaysia by not getting proper licensing to do the business.
Keeps blabbering about great leadership, what leadership? You fail in every country. That’s a pretty stupid leader.
He also sold the products in sandwich bags. What a disgrace to German standards. Even a cheap low budget company has a nice packaging. I guess Weisner is a lot cheaper than that.
Stay clear of this company. Great product with completely incompetent and selfish owner. Very soon you will have plenty of time to sit and regret the things you have done, if you’re a human at all.
Note the contrast in David’s comments above (#25 and #45).
Honestly, how did you think your pyramid scheme experience was going to end?
I have a book to write about this experience! The behave scheme is always the same: find a leader promote him and give him position with 8 time less volume (totally fake), then the business collapse because of not delivering promises to the promoters, leader complain problems, Wiesner remember about the fake position in Comp Plan, and erase him from contacts.
Meanwhile he digs into the contacts, fid the next leaders somewhere else and give him positions and promises. And the story restart!
He played as rich in Europe where he never paid Legal taxes in any country. Italy miss millions in taxes and more than 500 people is waiting paid products form 10 month and no pay commssions as well!
He kick out form company leader to not pay them. Poland, Finland Wellstar is in black list.
In the new website you can see the the picture of the old big office in Frederichstrasse 95. He has been kicked out from there because not paid rent, but the reality is a small office in Spreeufer 3. In Berlin. 4 small rooms.
He became more and more a fake. Check with google street view! Crook!
#47 Oz,
It must be 2 different David. I tried using David too and it’s allowed.
I am from Malaysia. There are still no sign of any office or direct sale license.
Same email and IP on #25 and #45. It’s the same David.
Look at the graphic patterns next to the two “David”s; they are the same, and yours is not. That pattern, called a gravatar (for graphic avatar) is automatically generated based on the email address field. So now you know what to look for.
If David had changed the name field to “Dave” on the 2nd post, the gravatars would still match.
We don’t have Oz’s access to the IP address info, but it was clearly the same guy even without it.
#51,
If he is the same David, it means he learnt his lesson from WELLSTAR.
I think they gone quiet in Malaysia and Philipines already, I wonder where is this Christian scoundrel going next.
My cousin and I joined WELLSTAR several months ago, and it’s true that they can’t fulfill the incentive program they promised.
Later on, I found that if the marketing plan isn’t clear and transparent, you can bet it’s a FRAUD, it is worst than PONZI SCHEME because the system never works even after keying in.
And to those who joined, it’s not too late to go back, those motivational zoom meetings might be Fine, but it’s better to imply those values on a respectable company that will actually pay you as promised.
We hope he eventually get what he deserved, BYE BYE Christian Wiesner, Bye Bye WELLSTAR, BYE BYE to your stinky ethics. Your credibility in Asia is ridiculous!
I worked for Wellstar for almost 3 years in the Berlin office.
At the beginning I had not that much to do with Christian Wiesner but after 3 months working in the company I was promoted to a higher position. There the nightmare started.
He is a greedy liar always using religion to cover up his evil plans.
Destroyed so many lives here in Europe so he is hiding now somewhere in Asia for about 6-7 months.
Doesn’t dare to come back to Germany, because there will be a tax evasion case.
Even Im still waiting for my last salary as an ex employee for about 7 months. They are no more answering to my Emails.
Thats the strategy of Wiesner (if there are problems, just ignore them.
In 2018 me moved to our office in Friedrichstraße with 1100m², but already 1 and a half year later to a office with 110m². Some of the employees even shared their room with the servers….
However, the commissions were almost calculated manually, thats the reason why they were not correct at all.
The systems are too old. Payments for employees were never paid on time. Now imagine commission payments for partners…
I was witness of so many bad and illegal stuff caused by Christian Wiesner…
If you have a brain do not enter this fraud and scam company. He destroyed Europe and now tries his luck in Asia.
Already failed in Ukraine, Russia, Mongolia (big fail), India, Thailand and Malaysia.
People in Japan and Philippines do not get tricked by this greedy cheater Christian Wiesner who is always using religion and trying to show himself as a innocent believer – which he is cleary not!
Because he is greedy, lying and stealing money from naive people!
It seems that Wellstar GmbH closed the operations.
Well it is not a surprise with the way how CW runs his company. He is already at the end of his runway!
Wellstar’s website and social media accounts are still up (Facebook last updated yesterday).
Hi Everyone,
I’m the latest victim of CW Scammer. I’m from Hk and have risen to the rank of NVP IN 3 months. I’ve heard about him loosing leaders in both Malaysia and Philipines. I decided to close a blind eye because it didn’t happen to me.
Lately he has been boasting about the great sales that Japan Wes producing. But I guess with this Asshole. The bigger the volume of production, the harder you will be hit..
He just announced that Wellstar is closing in Asia and Europe. He still owes me many undelivered products and didn’t pay My team and me bonuses.
Btw, on writer 19. You talked about the same products and serums being sold in china. Can you please give me more information?
Where is this shutdown announcement?
Hi John,
I am from Malaysia and know how to get the serums. You may WhatsApp me at (Ozedit: spam removed)
I believe John was referring to #18;
That wasn’t an invitation to post spam.
This wasn’t a spam. I am one of the victims in Malaysia and I know how John feels as he has many people who wants to continue using the serums.
I am just trying to offer help to a fellow victim here so that his reputation shall not be tarnished any further by not being able to supply the serums to his team.
There are already enough victims that fall prey to CW, and we don’t need any more of them.
We certainly don’t. This isn’t the place to target victims.
I haven’t seen any official announcement neither (or I can’t find it), but spoke to some of their leaders in the field and they confirmed all, that the company has gone.
Some of the biggest volume producers moved on to other companies in the last months during the Covid19 pandemic.
CW facebook profile hasn’t been updated since October which is strange for a guy that loves himself so much.
The current imprint names the street “Spreeufer 3”.
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“Charlottenstr. 4” is given as the address of Marketing Manager Europe.
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This could be interesting for Oz:
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Download possible at wellstar-company.com/training/trinary-plan/
As a video from July 4, 2019:
youtube.com/watch?v=q5wmsN9KArU
Wellstar Founder Dr. Keywan Grashoff (Chief Scientific Officer) & Christian Wiesner.
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As in any MLM, they boast fantastic numbers. An example:
openpr.de/news/412909/Sensationelle-Innovationen-fuer-den-Wellnessmarkt-von-WellStar-International.html
Dr. Keywan Grashoff & Christian Wiesner
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The photo of the two on the website is copy-protected, but they are easy to see on this photo.
Christian Wiesner names Quorum Electronics on XING, for which he worked from 1995-2000. There, too, he boasts of large numbers.
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Does Christian Wiesner mean Quorum International? I have read very informative comments about this company on this portal:
onlinemlmcommunity.com/quorum-international-history-review-and-facts/
A possible bankruptcy of this company was mentioned as early as September 1996:
bizjournals.com/phoenix/stories/1996/09/16/story8.html
I’m still waiting to see if WellStar has collapsed yet as reported.
There were a few leaders who were trying to contact CW and his reply was simply they are closing down Europe and Asia and he can’t help anyone anymore.
In the 1st place, he wasn’t even trying to help anyone solve the stocks, backoffice and bonus issues. All this time he was just trying to buy time and buy his way out.
I heard he has a tax evasion case with the government and let’s hope that he is nabbed, taught a very hard lesson, and never be able to scam anyone anymore!
WellStar website is shutdown.
Google says: definitely closed
google.com/search?rlz=1CDGOYI_enIN854IT857&hl=it&sxsrf=ALeKk025wRmC0KaB5gQoaOFjiNZwvNK03Q:1598377501781&ei=HU5FX9ejL8iEaZuWNw&q=wellstar+berlin+company&oq=wellstar+&gs_lcp=ChNtb2JpbGUtZ3dzLXdpei1zZXJwEAEYADIECCMQJzIECCMQJzIECCMQJzICCAAyAggAMgIIADICCAAyAggAOgQIABATOggIABANEB4QEzoHCCMQ6gIQJzoJCCMQ6gIQJxATOgUIABCxAzoICC4QsQMQgwE6BQguELEDOggIABCxAxCDAToECC4QCjoECAAQCjoCCC5QxiJYik1gu2toC3AAeAGAAasBiAG_EJIBBDAuMTWYAQCgAQGwAQ_AAQE&sclient=mobile-gws-wiz-serp
He is upto no good. Heard he has been calling and leaving messages to a lot of people recently. Beware!
Messages? Which kind of messages? Rebuild company?
I was recruited to BYAS/Wellstar many years ago (2013). At that time they sold the Bionic lifter. It was a small plastic gadget that came in a nice carton box wrapping named BYAS with 2 bottles of cream.
The machine was supposed to make you look younger and you needed to keep buying the creams monthly, depending on usage.
Great business ide really, the only problem was that it was all lies.
He told me he was behind the product. But the fact is that it was a Chinese product that he had rebranded and was selling for 20 times what a ordinary person could buy the product for online.
I found several of the exact same products online, except they didn’t have the wellstar logo.
I confronted Christian Wiesner with this and guess what he told me? He replied with an angry voice, don’t you have better things to do during your day than search on google. Your focus should be to sell our products!!
Guess he was afraid his secret was about to get out.
Buying products from China and selling them in Europe or other parts of the world with a profit is ok with me. But the way he did it was wrong.
He told me he was behind the product. But he only rebranded a existing product, imported the product and made a fairy tale story around the product, to fool other people and make money.
With some money he did between 2013 to 2016 he made a new one (3rd serie) and it worked well for wrinkles. Good idea in bad hands.
As I said, the vision was great and I believe that in other hands could become successful, but in his hand became a doom.
As CEO he has been a crap, bad in retain rapports, but never tired to work. Still cannot understand him at all!
Hi Claus, can you please share the link where you found the exact product online?
I never found BYAS product online. There are many similar product but not this one. Please share. TQ
I think Claus is talking about the first versions of the Facelifter of the 2013.
elixirofyouth.wixsite.com/change-your-life/byas-face-lifter
Now it’s obsolete, but this version was an Alibabà one for sure (15$ price)
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Does WellStar have any assets to recover? Or is this one of those legal processes that only benefits attorneys?
@ Oz
Christian Cyrus Wiesner had founded or renamed several companies. I found the following names in the commercial register:
– C.y.r.u.s. Wellness Consulting GmbH
new name: – WellStar Finance GmbH
– WELLSTAR Beteiligungs GmbH (in liquidation)
– WELLSTAR GmbH
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In August 2018, Christian Wiesner tried again to mobilize his supporters. Then it was over on YouTube.
In the video, he brags that he has been in the network marketing industry for 27 years and praises his accomplishments. 120,000 own partners, millions of end customers etc.
A quote from this video:
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youtube.com/watch?v=JVQB4bRC9dA
You see, Christian Wiesner has always been a humble person and a tough realist! But he only invested the minimum capital of 25,000 euros in founding his companies. So he is also thrifty. Or stingy?
Melanie, did you just say Christian is a humble person???? Really!!
@ John Doe
Sometimes I write ironically or sarcastically …
By the way: The fraudulent OneCoin preacher Cordel ‘KingJayms’ James always calls himself “Your humble servant”!
Do you see the parallel?
Looks like Christian Wiesner is back and he is approaching people in the USA. Watch out!!
Hey Guys,
Looks like the Wellstar template has been rebranded as the ShopWithMe platform to be launched on 01 Sept 2022.
They are running presentations 3 times a week
For those interested. Link for presentation: (Ozedit: link removed)
Same link to all presentations. (Meeting ID, 852 92 751 883)
• Monday, 7 pm GMT
• Thursday, 7 pm GMT
• Saturday, 4 pm GMT
Be interested in your thoughts on this.
We can maybe save a lot of people a lot of hurt.
@Mike McGarvey
Christian Wiesner launched shopwithme.biz on March 9, 2022. Partial quote:
Here is the imprint:
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youtube.com/watch?v=0MyWCW1KCf4
This guy is a complete megalomaniac in everything he does.
He launched already a shop concept 10 years ago with Webstar when his Wellstar coolaid was running slow.
Charging people 600 euro per license to participate, promising all the major brands would be on the platform, but when it was launched people started to see it was nothing more than overselling over promising and the whole thing collapsed in matter of weeks.
It was growing while the false promise was there.
Later on he screwed all his people in Wellstar leaving them behind for now almost 2 years without a word and not delivering tens of thousands Euros in orders that were paid by his distributors.
He was first in Asia apparently now back in Europe as not many are looking for him anymore.
When this guy wants to present you something, divide the numbers by 1000 or better turn around and run away.
Right! Quote from a press release from September 2014:
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The German investigative portal gomopa.net headlined in September 2014:
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The press release is highly recommended!
Christian Wiesner was also involved in the following scams:
– Quorum International
– Innoflex / Flexstrom (damage for German customers around half a billion euros)
gomopa.net/Pressemitteilungen.html?id=1579
@Mike
I think you sent me the same link via email. I removed it because it’s a recruitment presentation.
September 2022 launch date is miles off, have they put together anything yet?
edit: Ah, Melanie’s on it. Leave it with me.
I sent the link so you could take a look at what the sales pitch is all about.
It was sold to me as online selling but quickly became a team building recruitment role.
Why has no-one exposed this guy to BBC watchdog or the press?
All good Mike. Appreciated but the problem with Zoom links in the comments is they’re live presentations.
The link will work as long as scammers are holding the presentations. I treat them differently to YouTube links, which can still go down but are otherwise available 24/7.
According to this article, Christian Wiesner’s company WellStar GmbH & Co. KG, was dissolved as insolvent by court order dated February 15 and March 26, 2021.
https://www.direct-selling-magazine.de/quorum-1996-als-das-alarmanlagenimperium-des-raymond-hung-zusammenbrach/
We need to get the words out that he is out there scamming people again before more people are getting hurt!
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direct-selling-magazine.de/christian-wiesner-startet-mit-shopwithme-die-neue-social-commerce-revolution/
This one’s almost at the top of the review list.
Addition to comment #91
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A completely ridiculous Shopwithme business presentation with CEO Christian Wiesner:
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youtube.com/watch?v=r703lWwVSbM
Shopwithme GmbH was founded with a minimum capital of 25,000 euros:
northdata.de/?id=5100636187131904
shopwithme.biz/start-now-english/
shopwithme.biz/imprint-english/