Polaris Global Marketing: Polaris Media Group v2.0?
Foreword: Sometime over the last 24 hours Polaris have pulled the site. As a result some of the links contained in this article no longer work. I’ve included an index at the end of the article of Google’s cache of the various pages I’ve referenced. /end foreword
Late last year Liberty League International changed over it’s name to Polaris Media Group. Not without controversy and suspicion, the name change occurred just days after the NSW Department of Fair Trading publicly stated that after investigating Liberty League International, they’d found the company fit the definition of a pyramid scheme.
In an effort to reassure everyone that the DoFT findings had nothing to do with the name change, Shane Krider (CEO) and his Executive Marketing Council (EMC) attempted to reassure everyone that the name change ‘new company’ had been 18 months in the making.
Upon closer inspection however certain facts didn’t support this idea. For starters the company name change was only put through a week before the NSW DoFT announcement. Secondly half the new products weren’t even ready for release yet.
Then there was the back office problems, mass resignations of EMC members, links to Scientology, confidentiality agreements and seemingly dwindling conference attendance numbers. The creation of Polaris Media Group on the eve of Liberty League being declared a pyramid scheme by an Australian regulator certainly didn’t feel like 18 months of planning.
Whilst most of the existing distributors who have stayed with Polaris Media Group are away at Polaris’ first 5 day ‘Influence Live’ conference in Macau, a new website has been quietly launched.
Polaris Global Marketing was registered as a domain on 10th February 2010 but has only gone live sometime in the last 24 hours. It was registered with domain company ‘Domains by Proxy’, the same company used to register Polaris Media Group’s website.
The company name Polaris Global Marketing was registered in the US just under two weeks ago on 3rd March 2010. The application was sent in on the 24th February 2010. This indicates that, re-branding attempt or not, the decision to launch Polaris Global Marketing has only come about recently.
The website itself is clearly not ready for public consumption. On the ‘Meet the Founders’ page the words ‘Shane’s Bio’ appear instead of an actual biography for CEO Shane Krider.
Additionally several obvious spelling and grammar mistakes are present. For example the ‘Financial Opportunities’ page states that:
What Make the PGM opportunity truly unique is that it allows a distributor to earn a very substantial income based soley on the eff (sic)
PGM, Could distribute its products in many different ways… Infomercials, direct mail, Seminares,… We beieve that making money is not the most ipmortant thing in a persons life, but it seems to be about as important as oxygen.
I don’t know about you but I rank oxygen pretty high up there on ‘things that are important in life’. Breathing is a bit more important then making money.
No mention of Polaris Media Group is made on the Polaris Global Marketing site. There are however several links to Polaris Media Group sites/accounts.
For instance the global ‘blog’ link at the bottom of the site’s pages still links to the official Polaris Media Group blog on the polarismediagroup.com domain. Note that this blog hasn’t been updated for nearly two months now. ‘Polaris Media Group’ is also mentioned in some of the product testimonials featured on the site.
Additionally the YouTube, Twitter and Flickr buttons at the bottom, as well as the ‘In the News’ global link at the top of all pages all link to Polaris Media Group media. The Facebook button interestingly just links to the Facebook homepage, rather then the Polaris Media Group Facebook page.
I’m tempted to say that the site going live now whilst the Macau Influence Live conference is on is no co-incidence. Either the company wanted to beta test it’s site while it’s distributors are busy, or they are getting it ready to demo at the conference itself (and make an announcement about it).
As of yet as far as I know there has been no official word from management at Polaris Media Group regarding Polaris Global Marketing. I initially thought it might have been a promotional site for the recently launched Polaris Media Group in-house lead management system, which went live last Monday.
It seems however that the site is being built as a standalone company website complete with a new logo. Any references that might have previously used the term Polaris Media Group, such as the big ‘become a Polaris Media Group distributor’ on the domain homepage have been simply renamed ‘become a Polaris distributor’.
The ‘giving back’ section of the website mentions another company, Polaris Global Media and lists it as ‘part of the Polaris family of businesses’. Presumably Polaris Global Marketing is also part of the Polaris family of businesses but then this raises the question of what happens to Polaris Media Group?
‘Polaris Global Marketing’. A new business opportunity or yet another attempt at re-branding?
You decide.
Update: 17th March, 2010: Sometime in the last 24 hours the site has been pulled and now redirects to a ‘coming soon’ page. No official announcement has been made yet.
Here is an index of Google’s cache for the pages I’ve linked to in the article:
1. Polaris Global Marketing homepage
2. Meet the Founders page
3. Financial Opportunities page
4. Giving back page
Fuck man, why do you have such a hate session going on these dudes? All the regulars now they’re a bunch of scam artists flogging pyramid schemes.
I’d like to hear your thoughts on some polly crap, ie: insulation
abbott v rudd
separation of church and state
what do locals know of our politics (nothing i suspect)
Ok mate mini rant finished. Had a couple of ales after work.
There’s plenty of other sites out there if you want to know about the polly crap. This is an important issue for many people who stand to lose a large part of their life savings to these con artists. I hope you are starting early for St. Pat’s Day.
Yeah I’ll have to get back into writing about local issues. Only got the internet fixed a week or so back so now I can keep up with the news.
You mean the Taiwanese? Nothing really. I haven’t really had a chance to flex my political debate muscles since I left Australia.
I ran into one guy who was staunch Labor but he left the country 10 years ago and seemed to be living in political idealism lala land. I fall somewhere on the right so rather then push a stranger in a bar towards a political argument I just let it slide.
Kind of put me off discussing politics over here though (to be fair I’ve got no idea about the local political scene either).
No worries, take it easy mate.
I read through the testimonials on the new PMG site, and in none of them does it mention that you will make money. All they talk about is the new ‘lifestyle’ they are enjoying, etc. No to mention the diabolical grammar and spelling in many of them.
Anyway, good luck to them, if people are greedy and stupid enough to think they can make money selling overpriced books and DVD’s, let ’em go.
I think it’s great that you posted this. Obviously they are rebranding to get away from their tarnished name – google “polaris media group” and you’ll see what I mean. It’s not a hate session, it’s a public service.
Active Distributors should consider what this means to them. If Polaris Media Group closes, will they be held accountable for undelivered products? Refunds owed? And can they move their active distributors over to their new company? I don’t think so.
From what I understand their event in Macau is dismal – small turnout, crappy presentation. They even neglected to pay their speaker… they just got the guy out there, put him to work and basically told him to f’ off.
If you’re currently active with PMG, I suggest you resign now before YOUR name gets tarnished with theirs.
Uh what? Surely if true there’s some legal repercussions there?!
I’m sure they’re facing legal action on several different fronts. 100 people registered? There’s no way they can even pay the hotel bill. I’m guessing they owe money to hotels, vendors, contractors, etc… very likely a reason to close the old company and start a new one.
lol what happened to the website? Shut down already, or a pre-mature launch?
I assume whoever is in charge of running it had a ‘ruh roh raggy’ moment after they saw people visiting it.
Either that or they realised they couldn’t get it up in time for a conference announcement so took it offline again.
Well whoever made that website does not know how to SPELL or grammar, it is disgusting. They think they can hide haha – no way! It was open when i looked 2 days ago but is COMING SOON now .. God help the world – especially Singapore where they are target marketing now.
I heard about 160 there in Macau – usually that event would have over 1000 – and speakers where crap! 80% brand new people and half of the EMC are not even there!
So for a 5 day event costing $16K plus you get a welcome dinner (day 1) morning session till 1pm (day 2) morning session till 12pm (day 3) FREE day – no speakers for event (day 4) and morning session till 12pm and Farewell dinner (day 5) OMG how can they justify it being a 5 day event!
A sinking ship that no one should invest in I reckon!
I’m looking forward to some first hand accounts of the conference as well as some photos when people get back. It’s one thing to have a few empty seats, I reckon photos of inescapable vacant areas will be hilarious.
A Google search brought up this guy as their web “expert”:
Doug Hay
Media Relations
Expansion Plus, Inc.
dough@expansionplus.com
http://www.expansionplus.com
It also appears that he handles their public relations – his incompetence is astounding! Google search “polaris media group” and you’ll see what I mean!
Now it seems he’s redesigning their website and changing their brand, and he wasn’t even smart enough to keep the cat in the bag.
Event photos: http://www.flickr.com/photos/48410524@N05/
LOL. When I opened the page and read the first few captions I was like ‘uh wait are they taking piss out of themselves?!’
Well played sir, well played.
You’re such a hater and so’s that guy Tim. He’s probably just a failure and a reject, and you’re all bigots. You should be ASHAMED!
I HEARD the conference was great! The turnout wasn’t high and that allowed for some REAL connections and INTIMACY! You wouldn’t understand because you’re a LOSER!
Polaris Media Group hired a new event planner and the old event planners didn’t give her everything she needed, so it’s not her fault that the stage was bare. And I heard they did pay the speaker!
You know, I could help you stop being such a loser, you’ve just got some stoppages and I’m sure a lot of stoppers in your life.
Ew. Let’s make some corrections.
Yeah, I don’t think “intimacy” has ever been a problem, do you? When you consider how Shane dumped his wife and kids to pursue a relationship with Rachel Oliver, I think this company probably has a little too much “intimacy” at their events.
False. “The old event planners didn’t give her everything she needed?” Why would they?
Let me help you out: If a company decides to fire the company that’s planned their events for three years (and has also not completley paid them for the last gig), why do you think it’s THEIR responsibility that the company’s event looked like a joke?
As for the “new event coordinator”, there wasn’t one. She’s just the same lackey who Shane hired when he decided to stop taking calls from EMC members.
The only reason this company is still around is because Shane has delusions of grandeur and is determined to continue throwing money at a dream that won’t possibly come true. The whole thing is tainted and soiled at this point.
I can’t imagine that any intelligent person actually thinks that this company (or their leadership) can teach anything about how to be successful in life.
Business was so good you couldn’t afford to y’know, actually be there?
Did they hire her an hour before the event or what? That’s the stupidest excuse ever.
Sorry but my thetans and I share a deeply spiritual REAL connection with vast amounts of INTIMACY. I wouldn’t change that for the world.
G’day all. we thought I would share our experiences as we have returned from China conference. We showed up because we went “full boat” and had the tickets, and our flights booked, or else we would have stayed home.
We have been to a few of the other events and we always had an amazing time. Their event planners that you mention were always spot on. They were always running around helping people – there were the normal faces, that were at every event registering people, answering questions ,problems with your rooms ?.. they took care of us and were always ready to sort out our problems.
If they were fired by PMG it showed, (why were they fired?).
This event in Macau was a bloody JOKE. It looked like it was thrown together at the last minute by my daughters Drama class at school. For the money we paid, we didn’t even get a notebook or a pen? The event was in China – where they make the stupid stuff they give away anyway !. They couldn’t cough up for a t-shirt or a pair of thongs ?
The Name badges had the wrong names ..or no name , the energy was crap, the voice over girl had the worst annoying voice and the stage area and big television screens were ugly . We saw three speakers in Puerto Rico at the Soveriegnty Event. China was 5 days and LOTS more money, and we got three speakers? ..They were great but not worth the money we paid for this conference – the top conference they offer .
In Hawaii they had performers hanging from the ceiling and in China we got dancing boys dressed as gnomes!?!?!?!. Glad we have other businesses to fall back on– I don’t think I could sell this product to anyone. And apparently, we have a new company name . … again … what are we going to be called next week ?
Shayne and Rachel were like a couple of school kids and it was noticed by the people on the stage, comments were made during the conference about their manners and attention to the company we were embarrassed in front of our guests and didn’t know what to tell them .. LEADERSHIP ??? …… I don’t think so ..
All I can say is .. what happened to LLI/PMG …??? we have never seen a company fall as fast as this … very disappointed SHANE .. we always had respect for you and your vision … we are very very pissed off with what we experienced on this trip… we are confused and angry .. we don’t know what to think right now …
Well the above pretty well sums it up…the ship has well and truly sunk to the bottom of the ocean. Pretty soon, Kroliver (in the vein of ‘Branjelina’) will be applying for checkout/waiting positions and given their reputation, will struggle to even get a J-O-B as they like to call it.
Working for your money – what a foreign concept to these people. What goes around comes around and it’s set to come down hard on them.
Lisa, you’re great. You truly personify Polaris; well done! They’re bound to succeed with distributors like yourself on board. Please continue to post your insight!
Thank you Tim, you may be a gentleman after all 🙂
Polaris WILL SUCCEED! MR and MRS Disappointed, you’ll wish you stayed on board because PMG is a VEHICLE FOR SUCCESS! Did you know that Nyssa raised $75,000 for her hair?? Have you ever done anything like that? Are you bringing prosperity onto yourself? Probably not because you are VERY NEGATIVE! Don’t become a subsersive!
That’s an amazing amount of money for charity, and if that means that money was saved at the event by not wasting money on lavish entertainment or props then that’s AWESOME! This is what Polaris is all about! Giving to the world, making the world a BETTER PLACE. What is a prop after all? It PROPS something up, and Polaris doesn’t need that as it stands on its own!
Contact me offline Tim and I’ll help you become the person you should be 🙂
You’re very generous, how do I contact you?
Hey Dissapointed,
Glad that you took the time to share your Macau conference experience with us and am sorry to hear you’re confused and angry.
Is the new company name Polaris Marketing Group or have they already ditched that idea after it leaked? Also what were the numbers like?
lisasmiles92@yahoo.com 🙂
I would have replied sooner, but I had to go shoe shopping after all of the negativity here. Jimmy choos are the BEST! Stick with me Tim and you can buy whatever shoes you want too, but I hope it’s not Jimmy Choos lol
xoxoxoxo!
Lisa
p.s. anyone else that’s tired of shopping at wal mart can contact me too.
I could say the same – the conference in Macau was pathetic. Bad energy, piss poor experience. Forced smiles, fakery… I don’t even know where to begin.
The Summit in Rome with LLI was amazing; I had an unbelievable time. The toga party was great! I attended the Bahamas, another great time. This so called event was a sham!
I’m so disappointed with the leadership. Simon and Nyssa Haggard, Shane Krider and Rachel Oliver, Lisa Molina… why didn’t you tell us that the situation was so dire? Did you need the money that bad?
I’m done with Polaris Media Group, or Polaris Global Marketing, or whatever they’ll call themselves next week.
@Lisa – don’t get excited, I’m not really Jimmy Choo 😉 You’re obviously very young, there are plenty of other opportunities out there. PMG has sunk.
It’s fantastic the the only people in Polaris Media Group now is people like this. I have absolutely no problem with anyone like this loosing there money. Well done Polaris Media Group! They have finally targeted people who deserve it! If they keep getting people like Lisa, they are more than welcome to stay around. More power to them!
G’day Oz. Thanks for the kind words. If it wasn’t for this blog many more would be complaining about the money they wasted. At least there was only about 160 people in Macau (mostly true believers like @ Lisa).
@Lisa does raise a point, NYSSA and KIRSTY raised money for charity and good on them. Did Polaris? Not really but we will let it go because charity is good …even from criminals. In Hawaii we raised a hell of a lot more than $75,000 for charity, were you there Lisa? We were ! and yes we donated !!. This was the top event and it was not cheap!! Where is the return on investment for people? $13,000 for a conference without hotel room or flights is big money. LLI always put on great events and we walked away feeling like we got what we paid for. Polaris cannot even pretend to care about spelling people’s names right. But I don’t expect to argue with you @Lisa because you are a shallow numb skull. How can you expect people to take you seriously when you jabber on about shoes and insult hard working and justifiably pissed off people with your put downs? We do know what Wal-Mart is. We aren’t all bogans here in OZ. Won’t even justify your stupidity– just not worth the time.
Save your receipts from your shoe binge Lisa, you’re going to need all the cash you can get soon enough. Insults are not in your Departure program so stop slagging everyone who has learned to “Know for Themselves” and look in the mirror. Where do you REALLY Fit in their masterplan for world domination? Answer: under the sole of RACHEL’s Jimmy Choo’s. Without you they’re nothing , and to them.. you are nothing . When you wake up from your self induced “positivity” coma you are going to discover that it’s lonely at the bottom. And no one is going to shave their head to help you.
Dynamic couple – more like DEMONIC.
Are you offering to help with personal development or just to teach people how to extract the most amount of money from suckers in the least amount of time?
Both, but they’re not suckers they’re people like me that need help living a fulfilling life.
I know this is hard for you and some others to understand, but life isn’t all sugar and spice and everything nice unless YOU make it that way. What I’m offering Tim (and anyone else 🙂 is a way to live a life full of prosperity and goodness 🙂
You’re very negative Mr. Oz and you probably need this more than anyone else. Then you could buy a car instead of riding your bike everywhere!
And I knew it wasn’t you Jimmy Choo 😉 duh. You should do the Departure program again so you can get on the global track that PMG is laying all around the world.
Shane and Rachel especially are amazing people, and I can see how they found each other even if none of you can. Life is DYNAMIC, and you need to be a part of a dynamic couple to fully live it.
You don’t even know me and you called me a shallow numb skull. What did I ever do to you? You ARE being NEGATIVE. I read what you wrote and it’s NOT POSITIVE. That means its NEGATIVE. I’m sorry I have to spell it out for you, its no reason to insult me.
And if you QUIT then you didn’t WIN. That means you LOST which makes you a LOSER. It’s not a put down if it’s a fact 😉
And Fred, you’re not “loosing” money if you’re gaining something in return. It’s called COMMERCE.
I’m smarter than you think. The Jimmy Choos are an INVESTMENT. Tomorrow I’ll see a friend, and she’ll sign up because she knows I quit my job and she’ll see my Jimmy Choos. I know they’re the ones that she wants. I’ll sell her the Departure, get my money back for my new shoes, and make MORE money when she sells the Departure to another one of our friends. And I’ll write the shoes off as a business expense. And we can all do the Departure together and be bff’s 🙂
Who’s the numb skull now?
Whats’s positive about leaving your wife and children? How do you sell that to your bff? You are a numb skull because deep down you think the shoes and the money you spent on them make you a better person. Expensive shoes don’t make you smart they make you a consumer and from the sound of it – a narcissistic one at that.
Do you really think a commonality in shoes makes a person your “bff”? You are pathetic and if you were my child I would send you to bed without your supper. Grow up Little Girl.
Personal development does not mean getting a boob job and a wardrobe like the EMC tell you. Can’t buy a soul – no matter how hard you try or how many DVDs you watch. Write those shoes off and write off your dignity while you are at it.
as a post script – all the smiley winky faces punctuating your diatribe make you look like a smug a-hole.
Shane’s marriage hasn’t been good for years, and it’s better for his kids not to be around that. Michelle and their kids will be taken care of while Shane travels the world on his prosperity mission. He and Rachel are doing something so special for people, and their making tremendous sacrifices.
And I’m 18 and not a little girl. And I’m not a numb skull, I thought up most of my marketing plan myself and my advisor approved it. He even helped me buy my shoes.
And I’m putting ads out, and signs, and using the marketing system. And soon I’ll be like Cassandra, and Nyssa and Rachel, and I’ll be in Hawaii with all of my friends. And we won’t be wearing Jimmy Choos because we’ll be barefoot. And I will donate money to charity, which should make you happy because you’ll probably need it.
You’re repeating almost word for word what Shane and Rachel said on their call. Shane didn’t leave his family to make the world a better place, he left his family because he’s a selfish bastard. And any man that treats his own family like that has absolutely no regard for anyone else.
And any woman that breaks up a family has only her own interests at heart. I doubt that she even loves him.
I can tell you that most relationships starting off so dishonestly will not last. Rachel will always remember that Shane cheated on his wife, and wonder if he’ll do the same to her. Shane will always have in the back of his mind that she’s looking for the next opportunity.
Nyssa is a decent person, but you shouldn’t aspire to be like Cassandra or Rachel.
It looks to me like you’re trying to convince yourself more than anyone else. Why don’t you take the PMG opportunity, this blog post and your comments and show them to an objective 3rd party, a relative perhaps? Ask your advisor if he would be willing to meet with them.
If you’re embarrassed for anyone to see this, then that should give you pause to think.
If you’re advisor is unwilling to meet with anyone, then that should give you pause to think.
I saw your profile and you just turned 18. Are you still in high school? How long have you known your advisor? What’s his name, if you don’t mind me asking?
And Lisa, there’s nothing wrong with wanting nice things, Jimmy Choo shoes, a trip to Hawaii with your friends. How you get those things is what matters.
How would you know the truth about Shane’s marriage? Because he TOLD you? Did you ask his wife or did you listen to your hero Rachel as she stood towering before you in her 6 inch heels with the glow coming forth from her bronzer? Who will take care of the wife and kids while he travels around the world like Mother Teresa? Who is he saving REALLY?
Bless you that you are 18 and you want to be better. Personally, I think this is a bunch of crap but IF you are really an 18 year old – you are in WAY over your head.
If the DYNAMIC duo are so great why didn’t they shave their heads in China? Because the Associates might see the three-sixes stamped into their skulls? Your advisor could care less about you and probably thinks less of you than I do. Try disagreeing with them and see how much they love you.
You’ll be barefoot in Hawaii because you will be on the beach selling puka shells to tourists who feel sorry for you. You have been duped and you are not alone. Many older, wiser people fell for the same crap that you did.
Move on- get an education and chalk this up to experience. I am sure deep down you are not the rubbish child you are pretending to be. You are a human being – being obnoxious – but being none the less.
Surprised to see the whole name-change thing yet again (or maybe I shouldn’t be surprised anymore, as it’s happening rather frequently now!).
Even more surprised that Polaris Media Group, or whatever they are calling themselves now, is still struggling along. Really thought they would have imploded a couple of months ago. Maybe it’s just the fact that so many were convinced to go “full boat”, back before the Super Saturday last year, and during the change from LLI to PMG. So subsequently were financially committed to the next 3 day & 5 day conferences.
Going by the reports of the 5 day conference in Macau, surely it’d be the last straw!
I find it so sad that someone would drag an 18 year old into this business. Even when I loved Liberty League I would never have encouraged someone as young as 18 to enter the business. I truly hope you haven’t put too much money into Polaris.
This will be a hard lesson to learn (as most us writing on this site have found), but hopefully you will come to your senses soon.
Most of the people in the business are either dedicated scammers or people who have been brainwashed. I am sorry Lisa (I’m aware you will not take any notice).
I was brought up in a cult and believe it or not I fell for this hook line and sinker. I now realize they use the same manipulating techniques. It is brainwashing darling. Please take note of just how many people have left 1000’s. We are not the losers!
I wish you all the best.
I can’t tell if someone’s taking the piss or this is legit.
@Lisa
I like to criticise… hence the very nature of this website. OzSoapbox: because criticism isn’t an armchair sport.
As for me needing Polaris Media Group, what on earth for? I already have a car and live comfortably. I ride my bicycle around because I choose to, not because I’m poor. I love cycling.
You do realise not everybody on this planet is a mindless consumer drone?
That’s like arguing everything is black and white. Criticism, no matter how harsh isn’t automatically negative.
Um, has anybody won Polaris Media Group yet? Exactly how do you win? Is there a prize?!
So what happens when you run out of friends to sell Departure to?
Sure you can keep re-selling the product to eachother but the money has to come from somewhere. Seeing as none of you are actually generating a sustainable income from an external source where do you propose it will come from?
Also you do realise that the notion of you selling to your friends, they selling to their friends and so and so forth is basically a formula for a pyramid scheme with you at the top right… it’s unsustainable unless you all go out and continually recruit new people.
Long term repeat business is impossible because there’s only so many single purchase products. If your customers buy into the business they then need to generate money from somewhere which means they have to go off and start their own pyramids too.
I am sitting here sick! I was with LLI for almost 4 years. I believed in the company and everything I thought it stood for. Family, Integrity, making the world a better place by assisting people be free and go for their dreams.
It was a long hard lesson of deceit, manipulation and embarrassment for myself that I feel for what I thought was so powerful. I read the words of some of these very naive people and think my god get out while you can before you loose more.
Yes the money is a had thing to loose but what about your self respect, friendship, and the ability to trust people and your instincts. Because those are all thing I lost. Almost back to the me, the whole person I was before I found this sick and twisted company! It makes me so sad to know other people will have to go though this shame before they get out.
Believe me these people do not care about you or your success-they want for themselves only-the $$$$ that you spend every time you purchase a product. The LLI/Polais leadership is a joke!! They would not know what integrity was even if it hit them in the face!!
Ask Shane to see the books let’s see how many people really are making a multiple 6 figure income!! Please even when it was LLI. The lies and deceit that go along with this company should be illegal. They scam you on a dream-the $$, the 4 hr work day, the vacations, spending time with your family…and so on and so on!!!
It’s down now, but the meet the founders page was interesting. I noticed that it included Shane & Rachel, Simon & Nyssa, Debbie Ruston, Lynn McFarlane-Smith and Bettina… but where were Bob and Lisa Molina? Why were they left out? After all, they’ve been with the company the longest, and from what I understand everyone is under them.
Could our Lisa be Lisa Molina?
No person or power in the outside world can compare to the power you have within you. Seek the power within, as it knows the perfect way for you
If Lisa is for real…I think she may be playing…the shallowness is too much and too ridiculous, even for an 18 year old. Yet I think there are enough people out there naive enough to keep Polaris going for awhile. After all Scientology thrives even with all the deceit. People learn in their own good time. We are all exactly where we belong.
@John
The google cache link still works, I’ve included them at the bottom of the article.
I assume they have been perhaps put in charge of running one of the other arms of Polaris, perhaps the funding movies dept? Otherwise yeah it’s definitely strange they’re not on there.
That thought crossed my mind too but it doesn’t make sense for her to take the piss… that and she’s definitely not 18 years old.
I seriously doubt it; Lisa’s not that stupid.
PMG may slug along, greased by its own slime; but it will never be what it was. If you’ve ever spent more than a few minutes with Shane then you know that he’s a complete and total idiot. It’s obvious that LLI was a success in spite of him, not because of him.
Rachel is smarter, but completely self serving. I wouldn’t be surprised if she just took the company from him, or learned how it’s done so she can start her own.
The rest of your post is quite a story, and it’s good to hear you’re out, but I seriously cannot understand why people would believe this part. If it were that easy to make a lot of money working 4 hours a day, we’d all be doing it.
No one in LLI – from the lowest paid earners to the highest paid earners – worked only 4 hours a day… surely you would’ve noticed that?
‘men are not prisoners of fate, but only prisoners of their own mind’.
F.D.Roosevelt
When I was in LLI, there’s no way you can do this only 4 hours a day! I was on the phone morning, noon and night! You cannot get decent leads in only 4 hours! I feel sorry for Lisa. Just give it about 6 months to year before you’re out of money. I knew a lot of people like that and now they are in financial ruins because of LLI.
It appears the Haggards posted comments on the Influence Live Macau event photos: http://www.flickr.com/photos/48410524@N05/
It would seem that the attendees bravely costumed up to show their level of commitment to Polaris Media Group by attending the closing night party. I think it was a Mardi Gras style wake.
And it turns out that the leprechaun entertainment was provided by a distributor… wth? PMG can’t afford to hire entertainment for their event? I do think they are in their death throes…
lol @ the banter.
I’m kinda curious who’s behind the Flickr account. Also who’s behind the PGM wordpress site that sprung up about a week ago.
The same Lisa that commented here a few days ago seems to be behind the blogspot one.
I’m guessing an active or recently inactive distributor… who else would have those photos? Has to be someone that attended the event.
Lisa’s blogspot is gone, so is her profile. Wonder if PMG slapped her down… I know they’re very controlling about things like that after all the bad publicity generated by Mr. David Gemmill.
I’m not Lisa Molina! Lisa’s a has been. All she does is send out emails to her “team” as if they were really her team, and not Rachel’s team! But I respect her commitment to Polaris and Shane, I just think she should be out marketing!
So I took some of your advice and I took my Jimmy Choos back 🙁 But I wore them to see my friend first and I think she’s going to sign up! My first sale! And I didn’t even take my advisor with me! This is going to be so great, I can’t wait to go to Hawaii!
See, this opportunity is really profitable, and you can help people at the same time.
OH, and my advisor is going to meet with my parents! He says they’ll sign up too! Under me! But I don’t really want them to go to Hawaii with me… but that just goes to show you that this is a legitimate business opportunity, and anyway if it wasn’t it would be ILLEGAL. And it’s not.
Yay, I can’t wait!
xoxoxoxo!
Who says it’s not ILLEGAL. Shane Krider!
I talked to Shane about getting a legal opinion from his lawyers saying that the business was legit and didn’t have authorities looking into it. He agreed at first, but then he backed down.
Funny that! Beware Lisa! Massive fines for pyramid schemes. Don’t believe all the crap they are telling you. Hope your parents have more sense than you!
CNN: Constantly Negative News;
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@Lisa
Does Oliver still have a team now that she’s a head supreme thetan overlord now?
Wait hang on. You bought some shoes, wore them to meet your friend and *somethingsomethingweareexperiencingtechnicaldifficulties* and helped her?
What exactly did you help her with!?
Well uh… what do they say??
Are both of your parents currently unemployed? Do they even know you’re in Polaris?
Susan do you have anything actually worthwhile or relevant to add to the discussion?
I understand that following self help dvds and Scientology is counter intuitative to thinking for yourself but surely you have more to say. By regurgitating one liners you read on the back of a cereal box I’m not exactly sure what you’re hoping to achieve.
Check out what this blogger posted: http://polarisglobalmarketing.wordpress.com/
And a comment here states that it is illegal for Polaris Media Group to conduct distributor training at their events: http://polarisglobalmarketing.wordpress.com/2010/03/25/polaris-media-group-2-0/
Does anyone know if this is true?
@Lisa – keep us posted on your parents’ meeting with your advisor.
Doesn’t sound like much of a sale if you “think” she’s going to sign up. I suspect Lisa is having a little wind up ——or else she is incredibly naive. Susan is obviously just dumb.
“Those who wont fill your pockets will fill you ears”
Warren Buffett – http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warren_Buffett
Are we sure this chick is even 18? She sounds like a child throwing a tantrum?
Her behavior’s actually improved…
You have been so brainwashed. Nyssa cut her hair so she can feel a little better about herself for being involved in a scam.
Shane and Rachel make me sick!
Nyssa did not SHAVE her hair – just a short cut !!
Hey at least she does not have to stress about were to find the money to get it done for the next few months!!
How much longer can Simon and Nyssa Haggard survive before they run out of credit cards! Cos they are not making money, like all of the EMC … they are ALL full of BS AND SCAMMERS – they have learnt off the best scammer in the world Rachel Oliver!
Lisa – you so need to get in touch with your inner self, conning your friend with Jimmy Choo shoes and returning them – where is the integrity in that – just cos you wanted a SALE !! Just the beginning of the road of deceipt you will travel down girl !
List commented on my blog, twice. I had to edit one and trash the other… too many expletives.
I’ve got a feeling she’ll quit soon lol, seems the parties weren’t quite up to her lofty standards.
@Rhamnousia
Wow she was pretty well behaved on here. I think the worst is got was calling eachother nutcases or something. Don’t suppose you kept the trashed comment did you? I’m kinda curious as to what was said.
Also Lisa was raving about going to the parties, wonder why she changed her mind.
@Santa Claus
Did they trick you into a threesome?
F*** f*** f***!
I thought it odd, too. She seemed upset about the pics I posted… I think the Influence Live event photos contradicted what she was told about the events.
The Sovereignty Live Event in Hawaii has been cancelled.
Looks like your blog did the trick; Polaris cancelled their Sovereignty Concert in Hawaii:
http://polarisglobalmarketing.wordpress.com/2010/03/27/sovereignty-live-hawaii-cancelled/
Somebody did some research on the website designers. More scientology connections, apparently: http://forums.whyweprotest.net/15-media/polaris-media-group-ceo-admits-being-scilon-57266/#post1207659
I joined LLI (full boat) one month before they changed to Polaris. I was floored!
I went to Puerto Rico, for the 3-day event, and spent the first day in a line, with all the others, checking into the hotel. I spotted Rachel Oliver (who I’d never met, but who would not recognise her?) and approached her. I said “Rachel, I am a new member, having only joined a month ago. Where is today’s schedule?”
She replied, as she chewed on her gum, “there’s nothing happening today, just registration into the hotel, and the dinner tonight”.
I said “but I paid for a 3-day event and it wasn’t cheap!”
She replied “don’t worry Luv. You’ll enjoy the next two days”, and turned her back on me and walked away.
I knew then that my fears were well-founded. I’d made a huge and expensive mistake. This is the leadership? What a sick joke.
I didn’t go to Macau. I’d paid for the event, but what had I paid for really? Nothing! I still had to throw money at an airfare, accommodation and food! I quit. I’d only signed up one person. I gave them back the commission I’d earned.
BTW I booked my accommodation for Puerto Rico through the hotel site and not the Polaris site. I paid $500 LESS for it than I’d have paid had I booked through the Polaris site. Either they’re making money on their “special deals” or they’re simply incompetant.
I’m glad these people are being exposed for what they truly are. I feel sorry for those who get sucked in like I was.
Been Had, very sad – the LLI I joined nearly 4 years ago was NOTHING LIKE the circus Rachel Oliver and Shane Krider have turned this into. Greed, ego’s and no integrity. The old LLI used to have 3 full days, accommodation included and meals! The 5 day events where 5 full days of quality speakers. I know someone who went to Macau and was totally disgusted in the quickly thrown together event.
OZIE can you warn Singapore (their new feeding ground) about this business by starting a new link?? – start a new link so it stands out on the google search engine. It breaks my heart to see them bringing in people when the ship is sinking!
Hi Been Had,
Another one of us that has been sucked in. Incredible the way intelligent people can be duped. I remember being at the Gold Coast with some friends and we looked around and saw such a mixture of people. Many desperate to believe this was going to be the change they needed in their lives.
We listened to the EMC tell us about us Polaris Media Group – we were hyped up. Then they brought out the new compensation plan — most still dazed and confused but the all the yahoo’s and positive screams still came. Any negative comments were hidden and we left feeling this was probably a good thing…..
3 days later the Department of Fair Trading announced the were looking into LL as a pyramid scheme. We were flattened but told not to listen as there was no problem.. Don’t listen to radio, tv, news or computer blogs.
We tried to be positive but gradually most of us have seen the light. Thank goodness for BehindMLM. (which we were told was a blog from an ex-LibertyLeaguer who had gone to Lifepath– another Lie). We saw the truth. I would hate to know how many people have lost their money to this scam. So many of us put in thousands – which has all gone to promoting this scamming business, Rachel Olivers shoes and Scientology.
As far as Rachel Oliver is concerned I had a similar experience to you Been Had. She was very short and turned her back on me. She seemed so uptight (almost as though she was speeding) and she was chain smoking. Very strange for someone so in touch with Personal Development. Hope she and Shane eventually fall flat on their faces due to conning so many people out of their life savings. It is so wrong!!
My life is so much better now I have a regular income again. I can also sleep again. Yay!
Thank you again OZ.
Is Oliver really really that unprofessional in real life? I don’t know her personally and you wouldn’t think to look at her but fake tans aside, after reading some of these personal experiences you guys are sharing I’m thinking she’s nothing more then a typical Brisbane bogan.
If true then lol @ her helping to run Polaris.
@Katrina
I went and punched in ‘Polaris Media Group’ into google.com.sg and OSB came up as the fourth result. I think if anyone in Singapore is doing their homework they’ll find what they need to.
Having said that I wouldn’t worry too much about Polaris reaching out into Asian countries. Krider and Oliver don’t exactly strike me as being fluent in Asian languages. If they try to market in English, well testimonials and information is available all over the internet for anyone to read.
The official language of Singapore is English. Unfortunately, if they decide to target Singapore, it’s a large English-speaking market. 🙁
As far as Rachel, yes, she really is that unprofessional. It’s sad to see a woman so insecure with herself that she has to try to use her body as a way of attracting attention and manufacturing confidence.
More than once, Rachel embarrassed the entire company (on a raised platform) by appearing on stage in micro-dresses, miniskirts, etc.
In Hawaii last year, the event was outdoors and windy and she made a complete spectacle of herself by walking onstage with a loose-fitting minidress. I’m sure you can guess the outcome: the entire company got multiple looks at her panties as she pretended to be mortified by what what happening.
Here’s a clue, bimbo: if you’re going to be on a raised stage outside in high wind, you might want to wear something that’s not going to blow up around your ears.
Of course, she knew this already. It was just another way for her to be the center of attention.
(By the way, Lisa Molina is the same way. Fishnet stockings, short skirts, high-heeled boots. Someone needs to tell her that it’s not the 80s and that she’s not 16 anymore.)
So, yes, Rachel really is that unprofessional. She’s a JOKE.
oh my god. i was about to sign up with polaris.. but after googling their business name and finding this.. im thinking no………
So pleased you guys had that discussion. Fasinating reading. Excellent public service. Polaris sounds so wrong.
A word from the unbrainwashed – Negativity if positive is commonly called caution, DON’T PUT YOUR HAND IN THE FIRE. is one example of telling a person about the danger, What you do with the information personally is up to you.
Good money if you can make it, disgusting way to make it, really unprofessional criminal minded individuals sticking together like S%*T.
I have been contacted just last week,4 times by phone 4 times by email, finally a phone conference set by lee Ann Bartlett in Australia. While on the phone conferece I of course googled The company and found this web site.
Thank goodness. pleased I’m well informed. Thanks to all who participated in unveiling this sham.
Oh and if there is any watch dog from Polaris reading this, I have weapons, in many shapes and forms.
Words can’t describe _________
Just how?
Fasinated…
This story has helped many people.
well – this makes great truthfull reading. I got conned by Delwyn McKenzie – dont forget her BS – she didnt rip as many off and Oliver – but nevertheless did. The whole LLI experience took my family into great stress – thank god I got out when I did
Delwyn is now involved in GiveOpp – even made a cameo in one their videos. From what I understand she left her husband and kids in New Zealand and moved to the states, but I could be wrong. No one should forget her BS.
Brent Payne is up to his old tricks again.. just recieved this e-mail…
Gday Donald, thanks for stopping by.
You might want to check out https://behindmlm.com/companies/avant/how-similar-is-brent-paynes-avant-to-liberty-league/ for some further information on Avant.
karma!
That is old school LLI…
Don’t get fooled twice!! AVOID AVANT like the Plague! If you want success get as far away as possible from Shane Krider and Brent Payne! The Avant video is sooooo cheezy!
Brett Payne is wearing ultra tight ” Mom Jeans,’ that actually give him the male equivalent of “Camel Toe!”
“You can only polish a turd sooooo much! It may be shiny and look new, but it is still just a piece of crap!” Quote from Yoda 😉
Hi to all,
After finding a “make money from home” add in a reputable job website, I investigated. After 20 years working in the industrial sector, I embarked on a career that kept me close to my son and in my local community. Real Estate Sales.
I resigned after 3 weeks due to the lack of professionalism and down right poor practices that rip home owners off! Then just before signing to PGM, I thought I would use this wonderful tool of the world today! The internet.
Thanks to all for clarifying the one initial question I asked my “sponsor” after she explained what it was all about. Isn’t it just a pyramid scheme?
LOL. I am not as dumb as I think!
you definately made the right decision
Hoping you are not tongue in cheek mate. Good luck with finding a new job that doesn’t involve rippling gullible people off with a scripted scam.. Don’t worry the reputable opportunities are out there.
Donald,
No tongue in cheek.
All real.
Glad you were able to discover the truth before loosing to much dignity.
I went to a conference… loved it… then thank god woke up about 4 days latter with some simple arithmetic in my head. Worked out that for these scams to work the numbers involved would have to be HUGE.
I mean all these hundreds upon hundreds of advisors making 6 figure incomes? Come on!!! The whole of Queensland would have to sign up to support everybody in the room on this scam product worth $2.00.
This is true. Being an engineer, the maths didn’t add up for me. The first thing I was looking for is some exclusivity to a region, as you would get from any “franchise” to guarantee the longevity of the business. But when they spoke of signing 2 per week, 100 per annum for 90k income…….and you would have to speak with 10 times that many people to find these 100 people who needed a fix to their life and wanting to make an income. The odds are enormous.
I recieved an email back from my initial contact and I questions the moral ethics involved, her only response was “she and her affiliates make good money”. Wonder how people like that sleep at night.
Oz, it is so great to see that this site still continues to help people avoid the cancerous growth that is PMG or whatever they wish to call themselves these days.
I think it’s also been really helpful for people who have been through the LLI/PMG experience to process it and support each other. The people speaking on here are very level-headed and clearly you are educated, thinking, kind-hearted and wise people, regardless of your age, background etc. as none of that matters.
I think it’s great to see that people can rise above the poison and have these discussions about the reality of PMG and other scams/pyramid schemes and how it has impacted on them.
Just shows that humanity will always prevails. I learned alot through my experience and regardless of what you do for income, nothing beats good old fashioned hard work and dedication – surprise surprise.
I am passionate about personal development and have been to a couple of Tony Robbins events and would recommend them to anyone wanting to learn, grow and help others. By the way, I have no vested interest in saying that. I do not sell personal development products or anything like that.
Wishing all of you the very best in life and your endeavours. Being able to sleep at night knowing that you are making a positive difference in the world sure beats living in a plastic world where all you care about is your bank account.
All you seem to talk about is the same company, don’t you have anything else to write about? Sounds like you’ve just got a personal vendetta to be honest.
Find something meaning to write about, like the environment or starving children in Africa.
Its getting a little boring!
Yes very defensive – must be one of the “leaders” – feeling the pinch perhaps – poeple not being so easily fooled?
Your name says it all ..”Get a Life”
Out of the 100’s of articles on BehindMLM only a handful relate to Polaris Global. It’s hardly a personal vendetta.
You sound like you don’t want people reading about the company…
Thanks very much for this website. I thought it may be an good idea joining the company. But now I have real doubts joining it since it appears to be an pyramid scheme.
Hi, thanks heaps for the info on this website. I’m kind of confused about Polaris Global. “Polaris Global announced today that it took top honors in the education and documentary film categories of the prestigious Telly Awards.” I can’t find these categories on the Telly Awards website, or Polaris Global under any of the category winners. Am I looking in the wrong place????
@egipps – they, ie. Polaris, are are low life scammers who will say and tell anything in an attempt to extort your dollars.
Hi Roger, yep I get that and any interest in signing has vaporised. But would still be interested in whether there is any truth re Telly Awards – or outright porkie?
I was considering joining, but comments I see here put quite a doubt on this.
I saw reference to the Dept of Fair Trading declaring the previous incarnation of the company to be a pyramid. This suggests they are selling memberships or opportunities, rather than products.
Was that the basis of the DoFT declaration? I understood Polaris actually had products.
I doubt Polaris would lie about it given it’s not too difficult to contact the Telly Awards to confirm.
Out of 13,000 entries roughly half receive awards so I presume that’s why there’s no online list available.
An award 7,000 entries win annually is hardly prestigious, I’m surprised they bothered to enter.
Gday Neil, the DoFT statement was due to Liberty League requiring commissions to be passed upline forcing new members to recruit others if they wanted to get paid.
That and the entire business was being marketed as a business opportunity, rather then a company with products. The only people buying the products were doing so to try and get rich by recruiting others into the business to buy the products.
Polaris Global abolished the passing of commission sales to your upline and consequently half the management and distributors left once the pyramid scheme collapsed.
Hi Oz,
Thought I’d stop by and say ‘hi’. It’s good to see you are still educating the public about LLI turned PGM turned PMG or however it went?!
Sounds like you’re enjoying life overseas and definitely pumping out the articles. Congrats on all your success!
Hey Carla,
thanks for stopping by and for the well wishes! Hope things are going well with you too.
thanks Carla and Roger. I went to super saturday last year came home and sold my house left to me by my late husband as I trusted Delwyn (whom I went to scholl with) and my advisor(had been a friend for years) as it was a big step for me.
They must have known it was folding when I sort their advice. I hope the money burns a deep hole in their pockets.
I went full boat .. big hard lesson.
Yes Delwyn McKenzie screwed us also – of a lot of money. Crinimal behaviour.
Damn, I hope you didn’t lose all the house sale money. Hopefully you’ve got something to fall back on there.
I will get up again like everyone else. Just when she rubbed shoulders with the likes of Richard Branson – I hope he will knows how phoney she is.
I have friends now that have shown the meaning of integrity.
She didnt have brash with Branson – she paid for a lunch or something – probaby using our money for it. She is a crook nothing less
She will pay for it one way or another
Yes her second marriage has gone bust and one of her kids was in a near death accident in the last year – and no amount of money can protect us from that stuff happening.
I have been reading with a lot of interest. I have been looking into joining this company.
On the website with info they say that it will cost $49.94 start up fee and that the 12 month course on PD is optional. I had a phone conversation with a woman earlier tonight when I mentioned that this course was optional she became a bit miffed and said well no but you cant sell a product or show people a product without doing it and I doubt that anyone would be doing this who havent done the course.
This is a costing of just over $2400. this is a major amount of money to me and can get it in my head why anyone other than business people and or companies could afford it.
I doubt that I will be going ahead with teh venture now reading everything on your site.
Calpap – who was the women you spoke to ?
@calpap
This is one of the biggest marketing scams of the personal development MLM niche, optional personal development courses.
As mentioned, nobody is buying a multi-thousand dollar course off you if you haven’t even tried it yourself. Therefore for all intents and purposes if you want to succeed in the business, purchasing the course is mandatory.
The idea if you don’t have the money is that you borrow it and then hope to make it back by selling Beyond Freedom (and if they’re lucky, the conferences) to others, as someone is trying to do to you.
Then those people have to try and recoup their money by selling Beyond Freedom + the conferences to others. And on and on it goes.
@calpap
Youre luck you found this blogg
thanks for the replys. The woman I spoke to was in Brisbane, Alison was her name.
I am getting a call from the woman on the gold coast tomorrow to see when I will be proceding with this. I never jump into anything without researching it first. Some say causious I say being smart with my money.
All I want to do is be able to suplement my income with something where I’m no away from home even longer hours than I am now. I leave home at 7.30am in the morning and get home at 6.30pm at night.
Being a single parent with 2 teenage boys makes it a bit hard and I have just bought my first ever home and would like extra money to do things around the house and for the boys to be able to do stuff as well.
My eldest works part time and gives me money to help with the house hold bills. I am very lucky to have usch a great kid.
Thanks for all the info on this blog its helped me greatly.
No worries calpap, good luck with whatever you decide.
@calpap
The simply truth of it is -they are very sophisictaed conartists. You will loss money – they will take it.
Do not do it – it personally cost my family $68,000 and one hell of a lot of stress. It is a scam – not to mention the Scientology connnection.
Thanks guys, a very nice & complete summary.
I know how I will be answering my phone tomorrow when they call.
Keep up the good work Oz.
SCIENTOLOGY at its best/worst
that was just the carried forward loss – we spent about $110,000 on travel etc etc – made some money on some other poor bastard , who also never made a cent – its a loser – and I feel sorry for you defending it and being so sucked in by it. Do youself a big favour and get out before you blow too much. They want your money – thats all.
How negative is Oz! He’s also rude and has spelling mistakes and incorrect grammar, so how can he bag Polaris when he’s no better?
And why does he have such hate towards Polaris, namely Shane? Is he jealous? Seems to me he might be.
And Roger, it cost your family $68,000??? Some how I just don’t believe that. What the hell did you spend $68,000 on may I ask?
Also, if Shane is into Scientology, then that’s his choice. If he was a Catholic or Methodist, would you look at him differently?
Just wanted to thank this blog for the very informative read!
I am a widow with two kids to support and am looking to find the “holy grail” of work/life/ family balance.
With limited and precious funds I am hoping to find a small business that will keep my kids fed and housed.
I too, came across the “Polaris business opportunity of a life time” and sent off a quick email asking what the business was about, to which I received a reply from Lee Anne Barlett advising me to “send her my phone number” (which I wouldn’t do even if it were the Pope), so then her mail changed to “Call her as quickly as possible so I don’t miss this great opportunity to be a successful business woman like her”…..hmmmmm…..
I have received repetitive emails warning me that if I didn’t get straight to phoning Lee Anne Bartlett I would probably end up a failure in any business venture as I obviously show no “entrepreneurial skill”…hmmmmm again…
Call me cynical or something, but I always believe “if it sounds too good to be true, it probably is” and I thought I would shop around a bit because their website and Lee Anne Barlett were reluctant to tell me what the deal was.
Well I hit a jackpot with this wonderful blog OZ!
I now feel much better about relegating any further mail from Lee Anne Barlett to the Junk Mail.
Seriously, are there really so many gullible people who fall for this type of scam? Where has commonsense gone?
Thank heaps!
P.S I also “learned myself” up about “sugarmums” business in here, that is another business begging for my hard earned and they will also go the way of the Junk Mail catcher.
No worries not so noob, glad you got something out of the blog and thanks for sharing your story!
Oz doesn’t charge people thousands of dollars for crappy DVDs and CONferences. All his information is presented clearly and without bias.
Wow! I spoke to Rachel Oliver this morning. She told me that she was calling from her vacation home in Mexico and she had to go into the bedroom to get away from her maid.
What gets me is that she actually sent me to this blog and other scam sites about Polaris. She told me that the owner of this blog gets payed thousands of $$ by google to keep this site up. She said that 90% of what is said is untrue and the other 10% is unfounded.
I am not so sure that she knew about all of the former members that are posting here. I am supposed to speak to her tonight. I watched the videos and the comp. plan and thought that it may be good. 49.95 to start 39.00 per month.
Thanks for the info OZ, and all of the others. I will be declining that call.
@jro
They know by now that anyone looking into Polaris online is going to run into at least this website. By getting in first they try to mold your mindset before you’ve read any criticisms. That way you’re much more likely to be convinced to sign up and join.
Google doesn’t pay anyone money to keep a site up. A site’s existance is solely at the discretion of its owner.
Well, like anyone else you’re free to take what you read here and add it to your own research. If you’re going to bring up information you’ve read here with Oliver or someone else at Polaris though, be warned – you’ll probably be accused of having a ‘closed mind’ and ‘not wanting success’.
If you persist things might even get nasty.
That sounds like the entry level, at which you won’t be making much (if at all?) any money. The real commissions with Polaris come with the conferences, of which you’ll need to attend yourself one before reselling them. Nobody is spending thousands on a conference ticket to buy off you when you yourself haven’t even been to it.
Might be worth taking it who knows… it’s always good to confirm what you’ve read here with the source.
I did not take her call. I have looked at several sites that are dedicated to warning people not to get involved. I spoke personally to 3 former members and they really gave me the low-down.
I do not know Rachel or Shane, but I have heard so many horror stories from these people, that I will steer clear.
I don’t want to talk to her about this site because I cannot stand people who try to manipulate and use personal insults to try to find personal insecurities to make people do their will. I appreciate the people who came forward and are speaking out. We all have fallen for something based on a manipulative charismatic personality. For me, this will not be one of them.
Thanks Again
No worries Jro, thanks for the update and glad to hear you got something out of the site.
Your story pretty much sums up what due diligence should be about. It’s not BehindMLM vs. what Polaris reps say , it’s pooling whatever you can find from as many sources and drawing your own conclusions.
This blog is just one of those sources.