Figuring out the Polaris Media Group compensation plan
Ever since the Polaris Media Group launch, Polaris distributors and the general public alike have been trying to get their heads around the hugely complicated compensation plan.
There’s been emails, tables, diagrams, conference calls, videos and even a recently announced EMC (the guys who make all the money) Aussie tour between the 18th and 22nd of September with free entry to hopefully clear the confusion up.
Free entry…? Geez you know things are bad when Polaris aren’t charging for events.
I’m not a marketing guy nor do I have any extensive knowledge of MLM business opportunities. My focus on Polaris Media Group is continued on after writing about Liberty League International. I’m a guy who saw a tv commercial, did some research and started writing about what I found.
I’d like to think I’m fairly educated yet it still took me many goings over, rewatching and relistening to try and get my head around Polaris’ compensation plan.
The good news is I think I’ve figured it out and can hopefully explain it properly in this article. The bad news is I still think the entire thing is a pyramid scheme and will inevitably rely on a constant influx of new recruits to generate the infamous ‘six figure incomes’ distributors love to market.
But anyway, that’s what I think. Hopefully by the end of this article you’ll have enough information and leave some feedback for others to read on what you think of it all.
With all that out of the way, here’s an indepth look at the new Polaris Media Group compensation plan.
Associate in training
Just a quick note that although members of Polaris Media Group are labelled ‘distributors’ all the promotional material I sighted from Polaris on the compensation plan referred to members as associates. I’m not sure why Polaris can’t make up their mind but for the purpose of this article I’ll refer to members as associates.
An ‘associate in training’ is the entry level you are given upon joining Polaris Media Group. You need to hand over $49.95 for a compliance guide and permission to start selling Polaris products.
At this point you receive a blanket 20% commission on all products sold.
If you are unfamiliar with Polaris Media Group’s product range and prices, I strongly suggest you read the article “Polaris Media Group: Analysing the new product line” before continuing.
It is worth noting that at this level there’s not a hope in hell you’re going to be selling the big ticket items (unless you’re freakishly lucky and find some really gullible person) so we’re mostly talking a 20% commission on products with a <$2500 price tag. The $2500 amount is the entire retail cost of Beyond Freedom Evolution: Action (the most expensive component of BFE).
20% of $2500 is $500. In any one single product sale, this is realistically the most you’ll be making per sale at this level. Many Liberty League associates had trouble selling just one Beyond Freedom product which was priced at $1495, so keep that in mind when looking at the $500 commission.
Activation
Before continuing on with the associate levels, I’d like to quickly talk about activation. Being activated in a Polaris product means you are eligible for a further 20-40% (I’ll explain the reason for the percentage variance later) wholesale bonus on your sales. This is in addition to the 20% retail bonus you get.
To become activated you need to sell a complete product line. For the Beyond Freedom Evolution products this means all 3 parts of either Departure, Decision or Action, and for the conferences and Know for Yourself just a single sale is required.
Despite the many claims that you don’t need to purchase anything or pass up any sales, it’s important that one of these two must be undertaken to become activated.
When an associate makes an activation sale on a conference or the Know for Yourself product, 20% retail commission is paid out as normal but the other 20% (the lowest scale of the activation wholesale bonus mentioned earlier) is then passed up to your advisor.
If an associate is trying to qualify for a Beyond Freedom Evolution product, it gets a little trickier as all three parts must be sold to achieve activation. What this means is that until you’ve sold all three parts, you’re continually passing up that 20% wholesale bonus to your advisor on sales from the other two parts.
Note that there’s 3 separate parts of Beyond Freedom Evolution with 3 components each, so there’s a lot of scope for passed up profit here until an associate is qualified in all 3 parts.
The other option associates have for activation is to sell to themselves, which is a fancy way of saying buy all the products yourself. Via this method the 20% wholesale bonus is given to the company and you get an effective 20% off the price of the product range via keeping the 20% commission to yourself on your own sale.
There is no other way to become activated in the product range and as you can clearly see, you either need to pass up commission to your advisor or buy the products yourself to become activated.
Independent Associate
This is the next level up in the associate levels. To achieve independent associate status an associate needs to become activated in any of the product ranges. At a retail of $29.95, this is most likely going to be activation in Know for Yourself.
At this level you get the 20% retail bonus as well as a 20-40% (I’ll explain the variance next) wholesale bonus on the products you are activated for.
At this associate level your mostly generating a small income (or loss if you buy all the products yourself) as you try to gain activation in the various product levels.
What is the variance in the 20-40% wholesale bonus?
Customer points are awarded for each sale that you make of a Polaris Media Group product. They come in two varieties, ‘personal customer points’ and ‘group customer points’. Personal customer points are achieved via your direct sales and group customer points are the total amount of points gained by those under you (the lower levels of your personal sales pyramid).
Customer points reset at the end of the month and directly contribute to how much wholesale bonus you get for that period. Here’s a relationship list between customer points and the wholesale bonus:
- 1-5 personal points: 20% wholesale bonus
- 6-10 personal points: 25% wholesale bonus
- 11-15 personal points: 30% wholesale bonus
- 16-25 personal points or 40 group points: 35% bonus
- 26+ personal points or 60 group points: 40% bonus
- To give you an idea of how many sales customer points translate into, the following is how many points you’ll get per Polaris product sold:
- Know for Yourself single product: 0 CP
- Know for Yourself 10 pack: 2 CP
- Beyond Freedom Original: 6 CP
- Beyond Freedom Evolution Departure: 2 CP each or 6 CP total
- Beyond Freedom Evolution Decision: 4 CP each or 12 CP total
- Beyond Freedom Evolution Action: 5 CP each or 15 CP total
- Foundation Live Conference: 14 CP
- Sovereignty Live Conference: 80 CP
- Influence Live Conference: 128 CP
The price per CP varies across the product range (using the full retail price) works out to $131-177, or an average of $154. Now the maths isn’t 100% correct as lower ticket product sales will be disproportionately high to higher ticket items sales but to give you a rough idea, 26 personal points is approximately $4000 of goods a month give or take.
With a succesful group under you, you can rely on their work to qualify for the 40% bonus. $4000 isn’t much spread out over a lot of people. In this way the Polaris actively encourages you to build an active downline rather then to simply sell products at a retail level.
Advisor
An Advisor is the next level up in the associate ladder. At this level you’re activated in at least one product line and have one associate beneath you who is also activate in at least one product line.
You receive the 20% retail bonus, the 20-40% wholesale bonus and 5% of your downline’s sales. Note the 5% is off the profit your downline takes home from their sales, not their total sales revenue.
Director
A director comes next and to achieve this level you need to have three activated associates under you and have accumulated 1000 group customer points. The group customer points target doesn’t have a set timeframe and is separate from your monthly wholesale bonus customer points.
At this level you get the 20% retail bonus, the 20-40% wholesale bonus, 10% commission on your directly enrolled associate profit and 5% on 2nd generation associate profit.
A second generation associate is one of your directly enrolled associate’s downlines, ie. people your associates have directly recruited themselves in their own sales register.
Executive
The executive level continues on and to qualify for this level you need to have 6 qualified associates under you and have accumulated 2,500 group customer points. Again there is no timeframe for the group points accumulation.
At this level you get the 20% retail bonus, 20-40% wholesale bonus, 10% commission on directly enrolled and second generation associate profit and 2% commission on third generation associate profit.
A third generation associate is someone who has been enrolled by one of your second generation associates. Ie. You enrol Bob and Bob enrols Sue, Sue is a third generation associate in your sales register.
Presidential
Presidential is the highest level an associate can make in Polaris Media Group. To qualify for this level you need to have 9 activated associates under you and have accumulated 5,000 group customer points.
At this level you get the 20% retail bonus, 20-40% wholesale bonus, 10% commision on directly enrolled and second generation associate profit and 2% commission on third and fourth generation associate profit.
Additional sources of revenue
In addition to the direct revenue made from being an associate, there is also two pools of revenue that contain a percentage of the total worldwide sales associates make each month. This percentage is deposited into the pool monthly and is paid out to qualifying associates quarterly.
Star Builders’ Bonus Pool
The Star Builders’ Bonus Pool is made up of one pool of revenue. To determine how much of the pool an associate gets, shares are used. To qualify for one share an associate must have three associates under them who have reached Advisor status within their first 30 days of joining Polaris.
For each associate you enrol after this who also reaches Advisor status in their first 30 days of joining, you receive an additional share.
Think of a share as a part in the pool on offer. For example if there are 3 associates who qualify for the Star Builders’ Bonus Pool and each has 1 share, the pool will be divided into three and distributed amongst them each quarter.
If one of those associates had 2 shares and the other 2 associates had just one, then the pool would be divided into 4 shares total and 2 would go to one associate whilst the other two associates would each receive just one share each.
As of time of publishing the exact percentage of worldwide sales that goes into the Star Builders’ Bonus Pool is unknown.
Executive Bonus Pool
The Executive Bonus Pool is broken up into 3 equal sections, each with it’s own qualifying parameters.
To qualify for a share in section 1, associates must have two directors and one executive under them on their sales register.
To qualify for a share in section 2, associates must have 2 executives and at least one associate under them who meets the requirements for a share in section 1 of the Executive Bonus Pool.
To qualify for a share in section 3, associates must have two associates under them who qualify for section 1 of the executive bonus pool as well as one associate under them who qualified for section 2.
Again at the time of publishing the percentage of worldwide sales revenue that goes into the Executive bonus pool is unknown. Presumably though it is higher then then the Star Builders’ Bonus Pool percentage.
So why do I think Polaris Media Group is still a pyramid scheme?
In a nutshell it’s easy to see how each associate level after ‘Independent associate’ encourages associates to build a large downline underneath themselves. The additional bonus pools also encourage associates to recruit by offering larger shares of the pools for each associate recruited as well as how far that associate progresses within the company itself.
At the higher levels of the associate levels you simply cannot progress without obtaining group customer points and the only way to get these points is by recruiting associates underneath you.
Let’s not kid ourselves, nobody is going to be generating an income off retail sales alone. For starters the entire Beyond Freedom Evolution package is a once per customer sale. Nobody is going to buy the product twice which leaves the conferences as repeatable consumables.
In Liberty League International nearly all the people who went to the conferences were associates themselves attached to the business opportunity and I imagine nothing will change with Polaris Media Group.
I mean really, do you honestly think people are going to spend tens of thousands of dollars annually as purely retail customers just to go to conferences with no business opportunity attached?
Polaris Media Group differs from Liberty League International in that there is the option of retail sales which more then anything appears to be there for the sole reason of appeasing regulators and authorities.
Realistically money will only be made at the upper levels and it is this earning potential that is marketed to new recruits and only achievable by building vast downlines. This mind you is how the six figure incomes were generated in Liberty League International and as far as Polaris Media Group is concerned nothing will change.
Under Liberty League these vast sales pyramids were made due to lack of public awareness of how the company operates, this time around due to the scrutiny of Liberty League International (particularly in Australia) the company structure of Polaris Media Group is a lot more transparent from the beginning.
To the best of my knowledge I’ve interpreted the compensation plan material made available to me correctly but if I’d made a mistake please feel free to correct me by leaving a comment and I’ll look into it.
I’ve attempted to make the Polaris compensation plan as easy to understand as possible and hopefully this article raises awareness to potential recruits in just what they’re getting themselves into before they financially commit.
Additionally I hope it makes the compensation plan a bit clearer to existing associates so that they can see that really it’s nothing more then a front for rewarding people for building large sales registers underneath themselves.
Looking good thus far but just a small nit pick on your generations. I thought third generation is:
You recruit Bob (Bob is 1st gen)
Bob recruits Sue (Sue is 2nd gen)
Sue recruits Steve (Steve is 3rd gen)
Steve recruits Peter (Peter is 4th gen)
and so on and so forth. Not half obvious Pyramid action starting to take shape.
Maybe PMG’s goal was to make it as complicated as heck to try and confuse the authorities. All this talk of 20% this, 20% that has certainly got stars floating around my head.
Its all very simple!! The people at the bottom are so confused. They in turn cant sell the product. No one is going to buy thre products if they think they cant make any money. So this is where it all implodes. The Pyramid is being eaten away from the bottom and will accelerate as it gets closer to the top. The hatchet re branding job is doomed. OZ you have won.
It kind of reminds me of hearing Amway explained to me by an old man once. The Diamond, Ruby, and Emerald, ect. The levels, they seem to go on and on.
One thing I always warned about Liberty League was the pressure to buy the product. No legitimate company or opportunity would pressure you to be a customer and spend so much of your own money just to have the “chance” to make money with them.
Certainly looks like nothing has changed except a new strange twist to try to get back into questionable legal status instead of just being called illegal.
One thing I also noticed on the new Polaris site is the page detailing how they as a company have given back by making donations and having fundraisers. The make a wish foundation check they donated in Hawaii was a great attempt at gaining some good pr for the company.
That donation was actually made under the Liberty League name and made with what I would call questionable funds. Better the money they rip off from people go to kids instead of setting up props for more lavish lifestyle photos I suppose.
I agree – after a yr in the bloody thing – I am extremely pissed off at being riped off and manipulated by these pack of con-artists. I can get mor einfo from your site than their own official “back office”
I would no doubt imagine all the associates and members of PMG would be on this site for the info that OZ have posted… BUT remember guys, DONT click on negative PR, DONT read information other than from PMG websites because once you find out the truth, there is no turning back.
You lost me after “Ever since”
Could be, I was thinking it was more like migration. Ie. first people here are the first generation and then their kids (the downline) are second generation and so forth.
Yeah it’s a bit like that.
I went to bed with a bit of a headache after writing all that. No wonder advisors are running around telling prospect they don’t need to understand the compensation plan, just that it works.
The new compensation plan is called…….The himalayan hybrid compensation plan. LOL.
Google away.
Himalayan Hybrid™
Oops, forgot the trademark.
So, Himalayas is just a fancy way of saying pyramid? Ok, got it.
From Shannon Lavenias’ website
http://www.alifewithoutlimits.biz/makemoney.htm
More research required….
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Hmm no wonder it’s complicated, I can’t imagine MLM companies are succesful up in the Himalayas.
Good on ya Oz for all your hard work in deciphering the gobbledygook which is PMG’s so called compensation plan. Hopefully this will prevent at least some poor innocents from being ripped off by these scammers. The Himalayan Hybrid sounds like a pyramid looks like a pyramid and maybe even smells like a pyramid. I guess that probably makes it a pyramid.
Unfortunately being critical isn’t something that can be taught.
It’s not my fault this questioning things doesn’t fit the required mindset for MLM brainwashing.
If Polaris are the only company and the first to be using this Himilayan hybrid, it’s safe to assume they ‘invented’ it?
Not sure how much research is possible if that’s the case, although I do like Vince’s theory. Mountains and pyramids do look awfully similar…
What’s going on Oz LOL? Looks like people are out of comebacks so they’ve instead started to attack your writing style.
Sorry John, in the real world, writing blogs about how wonderful the world is and how everyone around the world should join hands etc.. won’t get people talking.
A little Blog 101 for ya: writing something that has at least two opinions will get people talking, not your positive thinking about rainbows and how cute puppy dogs are.
Anyway, mountains, pyramids…yes…I see a connection 🙂
LLI as LLI is littered across the Net as Himalayan Hybrid. LLI as PMG is also Himalayan Hybrid. Conclusion seems self-evident.
http://www.google.com.au/search?q=himalayan+hybrid+liberty+league
PMG should then fall under the same DoFT ruling. Especially since there’s marketing from 2006 stating LLI as the same Hybrid model.
I thought the Himalayas were more of a trapezoidial feature…
Keep going Oz, if more of them are coming out of the woodwork to snipe at you, and the best they’ve got left is to comment on your writing, well. They’re screwed. And, they’ve forgoten Tony “Delete” Rushs’ cardinal rule.
“DON’T CLICK ON ANY NEGATIVE BLOGS” Seriously guys, we’ll just drag you down……..
Quite interesting reading in regard to Wendy Stevens one of LLI/PMG top earners and convicted crook. http://www.tsc.state.tn.us/opinions/tcca/PDF/023/stevensw.pdf
Will be vey interesting to hear what the EMC have to say on the road show, starting Friday
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Passing up the two “training” sales is known as the “Aussie 2-up” in MLM and network marketing. I’ve seen an associates site marketing it as a “Himalayan Hybrid”
http://ripoffreport.com/Sales-People/Liberty-League-Inter/liberty-league-international-r-b6cbe.htm
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Unfortunately your depiction and interpretation of the compensation plan is very inaccurate. But that is not your fault, direct sales and multi-level compensation plans take some time to understand. Financial companies spend millions hiring consultants and compensation specialists to come up with compensation plans not so different than what Polaris has. If you can just present the compensation plan that is readily available without your own interpretations attached, then maybe we will have a chance to actually see it for what it is. Just my opinion.
Be specific jose. What exactly is very inaccurate, and what can he change it to, to make it accurate?
Um, my information was sourced from documents and promotional videos put out by Polaris… the interpretations your referring to are my opinions I think?
If I’m understanding right the datas good but it’s my opinions you disagree with. Not much chance of me writing a non-opionated piece on here anytime soon.
If companies want to come out with ridiculously confusing compensation plans you’d think they could at least hire some guys to explain it properly, you know before the company launches.
Which part is very inaccurate? Please correct it so we all better understand it.
Please show us this readily available information, i’m having difficulty finding it on the Polaris website.
I am an associate of Polaris and I am attending the aussie tour in sydney on saturday. I hope to better understand the business and what is happening. I honestly believe it was better under liberty league but hey thats my opinion. I think some one stuffed up big time though. Why the hell would you launch a business and website when both are incomplete. It doesnt give me a whole lot of faith as an associate and as a potential client of the products. I am a positive person but am finding it difficult keeping the faith in this business. Mind you, you gotta work hard at everything you do and to be honest i really havent. ALOT of people except money for nothing, no effort, unfortunately it dosent work that way in the real world. This business does require effort, but if ur lucky (yes lucky) u can make a fair bit of money
YES – make money off the gullible and lose your conscience in the meantime.
Hi “confused”…I will be there too and we DO have a conscience, we just need some answers.
To “another Douglas” I certainly am not making money from the so called gullible…I refunded all monies to my downline when the company changed. I do not operate a business where I am not fully informed. I believe in the products, however just need the information. Perhaps you have had a bad day…we all have them, I know your feelings from the platform you are on. For those who have invested with all good intentions we are just confused and of course concerned.
Yeah well i was confused to. So confused i left. Funny thing is i put in a cancellation 3 weeks ago and am still getting billed for something im no longer using.I finally got an email from them today, but all it is is another form to put in a request for what im wanting to do. Well i better be refunded for this crap.
Hi sas, i get where you are. I have been sitting and waiting for info. I hope tomorrow brings the answers I am looking for. I made a decision to not get wound up in revenge until I had the full truth. I have $thousands of reasons to get the info. I have chosen to sit tight for a few days
I attended their conference tonight at the gold coast. Let me just say that OZ explains Polaris with a lot more detail than was supplied at the event. The night was a complete mess.
1.Name tags were written on post it notes.
2.The sign in for the event were written up on notepaper (very messy).
3.There wern’t enough seats. More than 50 people sat on the carpet like school children or stood up for over 2 hours.
4.No Refreshments or toilet breaks were allocated.
5.Air conditioning was non-existant. People had to make make-shift fans from peices of paper to keep themselves cool.
6.The associates didn’t know basic maths and seemed to not understand the compensation plan fully themselves.
7.Shane Krider the CEO chewed gum the entire time he talked at the conference and warned people not to listen or buy into the negativity that is being generated from the internet or NSW. He assured us to stay positive and that they are definately not a Pyrimid scheme until the courts rule!!! (matter of time…)
This company should be avoided like the plague. It offers nothing but fantasies to innocent people that only want a fair go in life. This company will take what they can and run. (or perhaps a business name change) Attending the conference tonight has only solidified my doughts with this company.
Hi Guys,
After much deliberation I have decided I am now an ex associate of Polaris and Liberty league. I Figure I have a good job with the government and I dont want to waste my time and others times on this. There is so much slander and bad PR Out there already on this, even if it was legit and real, its going to be really hard for the little guys like me to bounce back. Anyone whos still part of this business I wish you all the best and I really do hope you guys succeed, or at least dont get burned to badly. Thanks for all your help.
As of today I am a former Liberty Leaguer. It just doesn’t smell right. And I’m going after my advisor who some of you have mentioned by name and the company to get my money back.
Did anyone else notice that EMC members had marketing campaigns complete with PMG videos (existing videos edited to include PMG references) already launched the weekend of the super secret announcement? The rest of us dumb stumps were already weeks behind them in our marketing campaigns. Makes me wonder how else the EMCs marketing efforts are assisted by corporate in order to sell the story.
Has anyone else noticed that there definition of integrity has nothing to do with right or wrong and everything to do with “making as much money as I can as fast I can” which is a direct quote from the training calls. Seems to me like they can justify anything with that way of thinking. Even stealing from people.
How can they separate LLI from PMG when they’re using the same testimonials and income disclosure? It’s the same company.
Read the income disclosure and pay attention to the use of “Active” associates. If “active” associates are only associates who made their two pass-up Beyond Freedom sales that would greatly reduce the pool of associates for the calculation and make those numbers look much, much better than they really are. Misrepresenting those numbers sounds like fraud to me. If you want your money back, ask to see exactly how those numbers were calculated and who was included. I have run this past the attorney next door and if that statement is fraudulent or misleading and those numbers are grossly inflated there’s a good chance we can get our money back. I’m starting with the Arizona Attorney General to file a complaint.
Does anyone know if PMG is incorporated in the states and, if so, which one? Are they even registered to conduct business in Australia?
Who are these people in the Know For Yourself movie? They can’t be people who have used the products because the products didn’t exist yet for them to accomplish all these great things. Unless the product was taken from another source such as SCIENTOLOGY. If you start googling certain people’s names along with Scientology you’ll find websites with cached references to the Church of Scientology funding their movie productions. The connection is real. Scientology recruiters have been at all the events for the past 2 years. Buyer Beware. Once you’re in, it’s hard to get out.
Which is why I’m out. Which is too bad because I’m out close to $30,000 and I really hoped this was real. But as the saying goes “if it smells like sh*t, its probably sh*t.”
I’m embarrassed. Oz, please don’t let them intimidate you. This is the best source of information ever since they scared the MoneyXperiment blogger off the topic in the US. If everyone started their own free blog and re-posted some of this information it would certainly get the word out. We can match their PR campaign if we tried. Link back to Oz, though, so his website gets teh boost too.
And don’t forget little ol’ whirlpool. There’s quite a bit of discussion about LLI/Polaris there too: http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/forum-replies.cfm?t=1206044
Look to make the big money , from i’ve worked out you have to sell these “seminars “at WHAT $5-13,0000. a pop, then you take your cut out after , honestly what kind of seminar are you getting for $13,000 !!!!!! and really you have to spread the bullshit to the next people coming in to buy in , to get your money!!!!! its so wrong , under the guise of trying to help people ….its doubly wrong and immoral
shame , shame , shame ,
there’s an idea , someone ring Derryn Hinch !!!!
I am pleased to report I have now received my money back from the purchase of Beyond Freedom which was made after Super Saturday.
As there was a 10 day cooling-off period all I had to do was return the goods(unopened) to a distribution centre in Minto, Sydney and a few days later my advisor credited back my credit card.
The only negative being the Ausie dollar had strengthened against the greenback and I lost $110 on the crossrates.
Regrettably RT I dont hold out much hope for you to get back any of your 30k unless the transactions were made within the last 10 days.
I also “smelt a rat” and am very glad to be away from this organisation.
But good luck and please keep this forum informed of your progress.
Great news Paul, I also contacted my advisor via e-mail 4 days after receiving Beyond Freedom and stated I wanted to post it back(hasnt been opened). My advisor said she will refund my money as soon as PMG receive the return. She keeps saying that PMG hasnt given her an address yet for me to post the BF back. Its only been 7 days since my first e-mail but am getting worried. Do you have any advice?
thanks
@RT
“It just doesn’t smell right”
I’m pleased for you that you have recovered from your (expensive) head cold.
“definition of integrity”
It seems that one of the features of this sort of cult is to call day “night”, black “white”. The object is to try and keep the newcomer wrong-footed and confused, and thus open to manipulation against their better judgement (or sense of smell if you like). “Don’t listen to your negative feelings, but accept what I tell you uncritically”. In this respect it has a lot in common with a cult, surrender to authority.
“you’ll find websites with cached references to the Church of Scientology”
I, for one, would welcome a list of the links you have chased down, not because I doubt you but because many heads are better than one and others may spot things you have missed. TIA.
“I’m out close to $30,000”, “I’m embarrassed”.
Ouch. Of course you are, but they are DEPENDING on you being SO embarrassed you will simply hide and lick your wounds instead of coming back at them. Don’t YOU (or others in your situation) be intimidated. Oz is providing a forum where you can speak out freely, so do so.
@Paul
That’s pleasing to hear.
@Greg
If I were in your position I would contact your advisor and (politlely) make it clear you are not going to wait around, that you want some solid signs of progress on your refund by (say) the close of business Monday, and if not you will seek other redress. Then on Tuesday make a formal complaint to DoFT or the equiv. where you live. And DO IT.
Roly, I copied this straight off a Google search. I’m not giving up on getting my money back based on the fraudulent income disclosure. I’ve been told that massive complaints will get the authorities attention, especially if theres fraud involved.
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Greg
I received the BF package from Viking Cargo, c/o Liberty League Intl, 8/13 Swaffham Rd, Minto, NSW 2566.
I returned it to them personally and had them sign a reciept stating same which I them emailed to both my advisor and LL HQ.
The contact at LL HQ is Lilia (surname removed) who I understand is a customer service rep.
Her email address is (email address removed)
I suggest if you live outside of Sydney you send it by courier immediately and hang the expense.
At least then you will have the couriers’ documentation to prove the goods were sent within the 10 day cooling off period.
Best of luck and please keep us informed of your progress.
Paul
Roly
Thanks guys. Just sent off an email to Lilia, and advisor, and used both of your advice. Will let you know what happens.
Ok well my complaint has gone off. Lets all get togetheir and discuss what needs to be done to get major progress and our money back. Lets fight this to the end.
LLI and its shameful next of kin, Polaris Media Group, is not a scam. It’s a money-spinner, pure and simple. And, like similar capitalist ventures, the scheme has made lots of money for the top guys.
Consider this: at Supercharged Saturday on the Gold Coast last month, the organisers pulled in AU$750,000 – yes, a quarter of a million dollars! What did the 1,600 attendees get? Nothing, not even a pen or a pad of paper with the new Polaris logo.
And the one day of “training” (read: SERIOUS CONFUSION) cost each of those 1,600 participants AU$450. For what??? For 10 hours of watching a handful of very wealthy people, with Scientology links, massage their egos publicly? Yes.
The “leaders” at PMG are essentially an entertaining bunch of arrogant, jumped-up auto mechanics and ex-streetwalkers. But hey, at least they have matching spray tans and Porsches!
Oops! In my agitation I got the words mixed up = yes, the “leaders” pulled in THREE QUARTERS OF A MILLION DOLLARS (AU$750,000) for Supercharged Saturday at the Gold Coast on 29 August.
$750,000!!!!! so what will the next summit Puerto Rico pull in , i tried to ask some questions on their YouTube links , but they didn’t post it , seems to be only “in house ” positive talk, its a wonder one of the current affairs shows haven’t looked into it yet
Puerto Rico is costing EACH participant NZ$12,000 – for three days of rah-rah-rah – and that’s just for the conference: no flights or accommodation. I did some homework (thanks to a travel agent friend) and worked out it would cost approximately AU$20,000 per person from the Antipodes. Spray tan extra.
I to have decided to leave liberty league / Polaris.
Its a pyramid scheme for sure. The thing is, my adviser was telling me that I want to be pulling in a new person a week. I also heard that there are around 2500 LLI advises in Aus. So if everyone one of them is being successful and pulling in 1 a week, that means that by next week there will be 5,000 LLI advises and by the next week 10,000 advises. This cannot work, it just cant. The only way it can work is if the relying on the fact that many many people are going to sign up and make no money and stop. That’s why there’s only a 10 day get your money back for Beyond Freedom.
The Beyond Freedom course is set out really badly. There is no structure to it. My adviser even had other associates asking him how to do it and had to explain on calls how to go about going through it?!? If you want real personal development get Tony Robbins book – Unlimited Power. It is the best Personal Development Ive come across and it costs about 20 bucks 🙂
The person that signed me up lied to me about the amount of money they where making. Told me they had made $30,000 in there first three months but after I had paid I relised that I was there second training sale being passed up and they where yet to make a cent, but being the exact person there looking for who was really looking for a decent home business to run I ignored my gut feeling and continued.
After a couple of months of printing flyers and some admin set up, I was just about to start advertising when I really thought, all I am trying to do here scam other people and get them involved in this so I can get my money back and get the hell out.
Couldn’t do it, threw 20,000 flyers the in the recycle bin, canceled my credit card that they where billing to so they can’t charge me another cent. I am actually happier now that I have left than when I was involved with them.
I’m 2000 bucks down, and damn I needed that money too. Sooooooooo glad I didn’t invest in there exorbitantly priced conferences. Still looking for a good home business to run, but one where I sell a fair product or service for a fair price that people are happy to receive.
Not only is the Beyond Freedom course badly set out, it’s pure plagiarism!!! Take a look at John Kehoe’s book, MINDPOWER, and you’ll see where the “author” of BF got his ideas … identical ideas … carbon copied ideas, in fact! The chapter headings are the same, too.
Sad that there’s not an original thought to be found in Polaris Media Group or it’s predecessor, Liberty League International. Did you know the company was called Big Ass Britches prior to LLI? Hilarious. Now they’re making asses out of vulnerable people who desperately want to believe that being ripped off for a conference will change their lives.
I guess it will in a perverse kind of way! (You may find yourself selling your home soon.)
All LLI / PMG associates have a calling script which states that Bob Proctor wrote the Beyond Freedom material. He didn’t. But it sounds good to quote this man’s name to gain credibility.
So who rewrote John Kehoe’s work? Shane Krider, the Scientologist, that’s who. Google him if you don’t believe me.
hell since this Supersaturday – I have been literally despressed. Ive put my family in financial burden because of this BS – having been sucked in over a yr ago – I thought it was real and actively participated in 2 of the “events” – what a crock of S**T. Not worth what you pay – as most of it goes to your “advisor” – and the “advisor” Who got my money – and my training sales etc – is not contactable – at all – this is a pure con job – rip off. ANYONE looking at this – if you dont believe these posts and go with it anyway – expect to loss all youre money – I know so many that have put themselves in the S**T – and only benefited those that “sold” them into this rubbish. I also came to know some of the “successful” one …. they are basically lying – I know one guy who is basically deluded and lies continually – and thinks it ok. They lie about their income, about everything. I gather that a lot of the poeple earning money – turn right around and spend it again on the lifetstyle – and who profits – Scientologist Krider and the others – the “experts” who wrote this crap in the first place.
Dont be fooled poeple….
Events – well the nett to the company is $us4000 from the $12000.The balance of $8,000,000 – goes to the “Advisors” The one I went to there were about 1000 people there – and most of these were first time suck ins. Thats $us4,000,000. What do they provide ?- well 3half days(im talking a summit conferences here – suposedly 5days) speckers. Lets say they get really well paid – say $us20,000 a days which would be max. – thats $us60,000. Then there is the “functions” – the first one was very simple – maybe $us50/head so there is $50,000 and the second one was more elabrite – say $100/head – that would be $100,000. So that is a total of $210,000 – that leaves $3,790,000 for Krider!! And then yes of course they have to pay their actors – Rush,Lavinea and the “EMC” I guess – cant imagine they do it for love – but hell – thats still one hell of a SHOW.!!!
…oh yes one more then – and then you get to hear GOD himself Mr Krider rave on for an hour while chawing his “gum” – WHAT A BLOODY TOOOSER
.. one rich Scientologist – and who pays for all this – the poor mugs like us telling the truth of it all here
I know one couple – these guys are in their Late 60’s – they were sold this crap by a Ms MacKenzie in NZ – they have no hope in hell of mastering marketing and getting their moeny back – and she would have know this – if she doesnt – she is even more blonde than she appears – they have lost their retirement funds – this is CRIMINAL behaviour
So Krider made $us500k from the Gold Coast thing, Probably another $us500k for each of the others – that $us1.5mil. He will make another $us3.9mil from the next conference – and probably $us3.9 from the other 2 they had this yr – figure that out.
AND the pricks cant even provide a $30 DVD to their associates – youve got o buy it for yourself!!
hahaha – matches the size of her “bottom” — what a strange couple – short man John and big arse Shannon
question for -Ralph Nader QC
What is your position with this thing – are you involved with PMG or LLI – or an independent observer? -perhaps preparing a legal case against them – if so I will be happy to assist
Re Ruth’s comment about plagiarism, did you know that John Lavenia has written a book called INTEGRITY IS EVERYTHING? Bizarre. He doesn’t know the meaning of the word! Wonder where he plagiarised this from? He wouldn’t know an original thought if it sat on his head.
The thing is this: if these people truly understand the Law of Attraction, then they’re got a lot of sh*t coming their way.
absolutely right – he definately wouldnt know the meaning of the word
I remember at a conference – walking to the meeting with a gourp and someone run past and then stopped in a clear space just ahead – it was Lavenia !! – didnt want to talk to us low life – what a wan*er
hell just tried to dial into the Propfessianl Marketing call – what a bloody mess – got onto the Amercianone – there are now 2 – even a HOT shot got into that one – didnt know where to go
I’ll go after them with you! But now sure how we’ll actually go about getting our money back!!!
To Ralph Nader QC…
I just saw above post from someone else who is keen to take action. If you are looking at a class action I would be VERY interested.
As I’ve said along, the hardest thing would be the fact that some of our Summit Advisors are in the US. They would run for the hills. But somehow I wonder if we could join the US class action or something? After all, regardless of the Advisors, the company is US.
If, I should say WHEN, we win against these scum suckers, all our costs would be paid right as it’s civil action? There is info regarding the previous lawsuit on the net and an LLIer being caught out saying someone MUST buy a product or something along those lines and they got busted.
I’m sure we could show evidence that we’ve all been screwed. With all the stories that are coming out, what do people think about re-contacting ACA? I think they would be interested in such a big story now, don’t you?
They could track Rachel Oliver down and compare her lifestyle to those that have been screwed by LLI and as written above, are depressed and feel like **** because of these leeches.
I would be in for all of this. If ACA were involved, would want to be anon, but seriously, let’s take these suckers down!
anyone here in NZ
@Greg
If I were in your position I would contact your advisor and (politlely) make it clear you are not going to wait around, that you want some solid signs of progress on your refund by (say) the close of business Monday, and if not you will seek other redress. Then on Tuesday make a formal complaint to DoFT or the equiv. where you live. And DO IT.
Roly
Mate did as you described above and since have been promised my money back but my advisor is still waiting for word from PMG on delivery details etc.
I have run out of patience and have sent a complaint to the ACCC . Unfortunately I waited to long to see the compensation plan of PMG(which was delayed) and it was on the 11th day (since the actual order)that I contacted my advisor of wanting to post BF back!
I have been fooled and will be glad to see the back of this.
There are many of us that went in with good faith and all of a sudden the rug was pulled out from under us. Many of us missed the cut-off for refunds and were clueless to what was about to happen. It should be exposed. It really is bad. Many of us could ill afford this expence and are now in a much worse financial position. There has been enough talk…we all know and we are all damaged in some way from it. Now action must be taken.
Ralph Nader isn’t my real name and I’m not a QC, but I am a real lawyer with a background in Competition and Consumer Law. The name is the one that I use on whirlpool and I am reasonably well known over there. further, Oz knows my real identity and if necessary can (I hope) vouch for my bona fides.
A group action is an interesting idea, but initially I would encourage all Liberty League and Polaris Media associates to report their experiences to the ACCC. the more real life examples they have the more chance they will investigate and take action.
the problem with a group action is that each of you has a different person who introduced you into the scheme and made representations. so you would each have to sue a different “advisor”. It will be a costly process with not much guarantee that you will get much of a financial return. But i will consider it further and if I think I can run an economical action for those who want it, I will let you know through Oz and Whirlpool.
Let’s be real. We are talking about laws and courts, not opinions and hypothesis. The problem with your intention Nader is that if this situation actually goes all the way through the court system, it would take years and there is a very good chance they would probably win, realistically. Maybe get a relatively small fine(slap on the wrist)and get a lot of great PR for being proven not to be a scheme by the fact they allowed to stay in business. You have to admit that the possibility of this scenario exists: that bringing this company to court may actually help their business tremendously. There have been many court actions on MLM companies for the past 40 years and good percentage of them end up making the company bigger and stronger because unless the company is shut down (very small chance) they will ride the “victory” to new heights. I can see a court decision leading to a fine and a directive to change some business practices, but anything more than that is not realistic. I would welcome a discussion on the realities of the law and the realistic consequences of the infringements of these laws (that have to proven) and how this company is any different than the thousands of other companies that been operating in similar fashion for 40 years.
the best thing to do is to go to scam.com and write a post naming the person that got you involved – these postings are very effective at getting to 1st place in google and have great effects on poeple involved. this is what I will do and encourage others to do the same
Question for Ralph Nader or any other lawyer out there: as an associate who electronically signed up for a monthly maintenance (?) fee to Liberty League, is it legal for the company to switch to another method of business – and name – and then AUTOMATICALLY charge me AU$59.95 for the Polaris Online Business Management System when I haven’t authorised this?
Even more irritatingly, I have been charged a fee of AU$149 for the Polaris Direct Line System which I also didn’t authorise! Have asked for details from PMG’s supposed compliance office, but had no response.
And another question: to whom do we report the shenanigans of LLI and Polaris in New Zealand?
Liz – I am in NZ – I think we should make contact _ I am wanting to get a group together for action against these conartist. please email me on cashflowpump@gmail.com
I have already contacted the Commerce Commission – also the Fair Trading and they want to hear from others
also the truth- I would disagree with that tactic. Websites like scam com and ripoff report do the opposite of you intend. You see, bad publicity is still publicity. All these websites focusing on supposedly warning people by calling something a scam, creates a filtering mechanism that galvanizes people looking at the info. Therefore creating a perpetual awareness campaign that eventually brings even more business to the company supposedly being slammed. Don’t you notice that some of these threads and comments on these sites for on for months and years. Do you think that the company in question maybe egging the conversation on to stay in the minds of people? Think about it? The more people are talking and discussing it the more people look at it. Eventually the negativity goes so much in one direction that people naturally start to question it, and try to find the good. Really think about this folks…..
I must say, Josep, that I don’t agree with your proposition, certainly not from an Australian standpoint. In the US, perhaps. What you seem to be suggesting is some sort of speculative litigation. whilst no litigation outcome can be guaranteed, ultimately the strength of the case is the determinative factor. I can assure you that the authorities in Australia (eg. the ACCC) don’t take litigation unless they have a strong case. In consumer protection matters they have a close to 100% success rate (not completely certain at this time but it used to be exactly 100% but they may have lost the occasional case lately)
Generally with matters such as this, the ACCC doesn’t automatically seek fines. Rather, it seeks declarations that the conduct is illegal and orders to stop the conduct and to pay compensation. As far as I’m aware, every pyramid scheme the ACCC has taken to court has been successful in closing them down.
Ultimately, that is the best result and a fine, whether small or large, is a secondary consideration. Court costs alone are a substantial “fine” in itself.
I’d be interested to know what cases you refer to that have been taken against MLM schemes that have made the scheme stronger and whether they were in Australia or US or elsewhere.
Possibly, especially if it is for the same service and amount. The mere fact of a change of business name is neither here nor there. If you are still receiving the service, then they are entitled to charge for it.
You might also need to check your original agreement. Because it is an ongoing service with monthly charges, LLI/PMG will likely have a clause that says they may vary the charge from time to time.
this is a bit different. If you are being charged for a service you didn’t request then you are entitled to a refund. I think you have done the right thing to query the charge. If you don’t hear back in a reasonable time, send reminders and also state clearly that if you don’t receive a satisfactory response within 7 days, you will report the matter to your credit card company and seek a charge-back.
(not legal advice. More a general comment/observation based on the limited information provided. No solicitor-client relationship has been established)
A colleague of mine recently became involved in Polaris after attending the Super Saturday event on the Gold Coast.
Full of enthusiasm that person attemped to sell all of us here at work “Beyond Freedom” and get us to join this “empowering” organisation.
We all listened patiently and politely but none of us could really bring ourselves to spend the US$1500 despite the promises of what it was soposed to do.
Then someone did some research online and amongst others, came upon this site which appears to be full of disgruntled ex Liberty Leaguers/Polaris Media Group people.
Panic-stricken having spent close to AUD$30k on upcoming overseas conferences and hearing more and more alarming publicity this colleague is now attempting to get the (borrowed) funds back.
Alas, it would seem that all is lost!
To make matters worse,the advisor who sold this whole package has refused to speak to our colleague “ever again” with accusations of procuring “misinformation” and “negativity” from this very site she has labelled “nasty”.
It would seem this woman is so blinded by her utter brain-washed beleif in Polaris she cant bring herself to realise that there are a lot of very angry and upset ex-Liberty Leqaguers out there with very legitimate concerns.
We have also noticed a significant increase in the TV advertising for UXL.com and Ucan2.com with the infamous Rachel Oliver and Sue and Jerry Smart and Co.
Its as though these people are trying to wring as much money out of the uninformed as possible before word gets out about how much of a scam it is.
They are ploughing a fortune into the advertising with Foxtell, on at least two Channels, namely Sky News and Sky Business.
Is this a last ditch effort before the proverbial sh## hits the fan or will they be able to continue unabated?
We are watching with bated breath but our poor colleague (literally) is now off to the bank to beg for an increase to the mortgage.
So much for “empowerment”.
” and another one bits the dust…and anotherone..and another one.. and another bits the dust….”
Professionals have a duty of care not to give negligent advice. In a casual conversation, we still have a higher standard of care than the average punter pontificating about this or that. The danger when you have an online comment, particularly one that is right next to a declaration that you are a lawyer, is that someone will take the info, rely on it and find that it was to their detriment. Then they can sue or complain to the legal services board. I get a black mark on my name.
Have you ever noticed how not many lawyers are prepared to comment from a position of being declared “a lawyer”? I gam more interested in helping people, but they need to also take care of themselves, so I put in my disclaimer from time to time.
Sorry to hear that Les. I assume the refund period has well expired if the purchases were made on Supercharged Saturday then? What is it again, 3 days on the conferences and 10 days on beyond freedom?
I too have no idea why Foxtel are still showing the ads but I can only assume they have been bought well in advance in bulk for a discount.
Personally I’m not entirely sure what we’re witnessing right now and I guess we’ll have to sit tight and see what happens. I’ve tried to get as much information out there, what people do with the information is up to them. Some will discard it as misinformation and negativity, some will take it on board and try their luck anyway and hopefully some will come to the same conclusions I have.
Hey guys! Quit squabbling. I’m a grown woman and was planning to ask a “real” laywer (within the confines of a carefully constructed professional relationship, of course) where I stand anyway, but just thought I’d ask the question first as to whether I was wasting my time or not.
And it seems I’m not! That’s the bottom line, right? 🙂
Out of curiosity does this happen often?
‘But your honor, that guy said this was legal!’
‘what guy…?’
‘you know… that guy off the internet!’
*ring ring*
‘Hi there… are you that guy off the interent?’
‘OMG I told her it wasn’t legal advice!’
Just curious :).
Definately. Let us know how it goes. Hopefully if it works out others can benefit too in the future.
Ok, well I have now made my decision. After waiting patiently and giving benefit of the doubt, against my better judgement, I am getting out. I will pursue my enroller and report back to doFT and ACCC. It is rediculous. No websites although we are being charged monthly for them and delay after delay. The top earners are deffinately raking in as much s they can as this is imploding. Mr K is probably readying his new home in Bermuda as we type. I have had enough
How very convenient. When logging into my online business centre, I clicked on “help” and it popped up as “coming soon”. I also had a note saying contact “customer support” which doesn’t even have a link or an address! All I want to do is cancel my subscriptions.
E
Try this address. (email address removed). Her name is Lilia (surname removed) and she is with Customer Service.
Good luck!
Remember this has all been “in the making” for eighteen months and you can’t expect it to be perfect.
After all the egyptians certainly didn’t build their pyramids in just a few months.
HEY! All you unhappy LLI/PMGers. If you were all organised enough to run your own businesses, stop gnashing your teeth in the darkness, GET TOGETHER and GET ORGANISED on the mutual project “Money back and Scammers in the Slammer”.
These people screwed you for thousands; what are you going to do about it? Are they right that you are all just inferior no-hopers who won’t do anything to save yourselves? Or are you going to show them what you can do when you get motivated?
Certainly you all need to file complaints with DoFT and ACCC, but you also need to *coordinate* your efforts to recover your money (you can’t leave it to Oz, DoFT or ACCC to make the running for you).
If you don’t fight, you lose.
Don’t get mad, get even.
The more you fight the stronger they will get. Create a movement against something only make the something bigger and stronger. You guys are feeding the hungry monster what it wants. This is how it works. Instead of fighting this tooth and nail focus on creating something that fills a obvious need in the market place (demonstrated by the 100k people than join these companies every month) and there makes these companies obsolete. If not you are only going to on the losing side of human nature and mass psychology.
Thank you.
Thank you too! I needed a kick to get on with it!
From a position of feeling abused and somewhat stupid, I also subscribe to the philosophy of “don’t get mad, get even” except that the Law of Attraction says you’ll just be creating more of the same. Why? Because what you focus on is what you get. Hey, even the Dalai Lama talks about this.
The Law of Attraction is real. LLI did not invent this – it’s been around forever and they merely plagiarised other people’s published works. The Shane Kriders, Rachel Olivers and John Lavenias of the world are in the wrong and the Law of Attraction will be their downfall, too, if that’s any consolation … what you put out there will come back and bite you on the bum. (Ha! So you’ll definitely need your Big Ass Britches when it does!!!)
Unfortunatley, LLI and its even more pathetic successor PMG have “chequebook law” on their side. Oh, and Scientology. Oh, and a swag of people who will swear that they made a 6 figure income in 8 months. That’s what my advisor told me she did. Wow! I was sooooooooooooo impressed. Now I have incontrovertible proof that she’s … er … fibbing. But I like her as a person so I’m not going to challenge her. She has two young children and a nice hubby and I don’t want to be the one to point out the writing on the wall.
Know what? I’m tired of wasting energy on this bunch of crooks who call themself leaders at PMG. I’d rather just walk away with my dignity intact (although somewhat frayed – a bit like my bank balance) and write it off to experience.
Maybe I’ll start a counselling service for those who one day will know what we, on this website, know.
Thanks for sharing your experience for others to read Ruth. Good luck with your future endeavours.
Ex-associates finding some comfort in connecting and communicating via this blog aside, I’m not sure what movement you’re referring to. My aim has and always has been to simply get information out there. I do add my own commentary to it but that’s the nature of the site and what I publish.
People are and always have been free to ultimately make up their own minds. If they’re comfortable with the business model and what they can expect then more power to them.
As an aside, I sincerely doubt 100k people are joining this company every month in Australia. If you’re talking worldwide well my primary focus is Australia. The internet being global is just a bonus.
Remember OzSoapbox was around before I started writing on Liberty League/Polaris and it was never designed to be a movement to destroy the entire MLM industry worldwide.
@Jose
Sorry chum, I have to totally reject your Council to Passivity. It would suit LLI/PMG very well indeed if all the people they burned simply went away. Sitting down, shutting up, and doing what you are told is NOT the way to get justice (or to help others). Haven’t you learned anything from the Global Financial Crisis? LLI is another golden example of a *failure* of laizzes-faire capitalism, so it is quite unreasonable to expect more of the same will fix it.
@Ruth
The Law of Attraction is a slogan, and like all slogans it may be true but is not *exhaustive*. Did you *attract* being swindled? If you were mugged in the street for a few grand would you refuse to go to the police because it would be Bad Karma? Well you got mugged by fast-talking salespeople drawing circles on whiteboards, so how about attracting some fair recompense?
Has it crossed your mind that the victims might be the required *mechanism* for the swindlers to get their karma? And if not the victims, then who? Your advisor LIED to you to get you to part with a lot of money which you have nothing to show for (except perhaps crushing debts), yet you LIKE her? Do you know what Cognitive Dissonance means?
I’m reminded of the joke about the guy caught in a flood who turns down several offers of rescue on the grounds that God will save him, but he drowns anyway. Coming before God he asks why he was forsaken, and God replies that he sent several offers of rescue but he turned them down! God helps those who help themselves.
Has the Dalai Lama shrugged and turned his back on the people of Tibet, abdicating the field to the Chinese? Or is he still using every diplomatic channel that is open to him to continue to struggle for the freedom of the Tibetan people?
Or maybe the LLI/PMG leaders deserve every dollar they can get because their judgement of their marks as lazy do-nothing patsies is spot on. Perhaps you need to sign up for my Assertiveness Training course. Just e-mail $1000 to me c/o BehindMLM.
Hi all
Great news my persistence has paid off and I have my money back for my Beyond Freedom purchase. Note I did send it back outside of the 10 days. I am thankfull that I didnt invest in anything else apart from my sign-up. I am one of the lucky ones. I feel for the people who purchased the conferences, promotional material etc. I still urge as many of you as possible to at least contact the ACCC as I have done.
Yes, the writing IS on the wall. How ironic that the $29.95 DVD is called KNOW FOR YOURSELF. If you really did want to know for yourself, you’d do your homework and GET OUT of Polaris immediately.
But the brainwashing is seductive, and especially so when we want to believe that our lives are going to change dramatically. And doing that via personal development sounds so virtuous and decent and good, right? Helping mankind and all that jazz …
Found this excellent quote from a great man that should become the mantra for the pyramid called PMG.
“I know that most men can seldom accept even the most obvious truth if it would oblige them to admit the falsity of conclusions which they proudly taught to others, and which they have woven, thread by thread, into the fabric of their lives.” – LEO TOLSTOY
G’day guys,
I was just about to sign up for this, after losing my job 2 weeks ago.
My ‘adviser’ told me that I should be able to buy beyond freedom in a couple of months, if I ‘make it happen’.
I’d already told her Im a sole parent of 3, bankrupt, and now jobless!
She didnt even notice.
Thanks, my eyes are more open now.
No worries Carla, glad our information helped you out.
Good luck getting through what sounds like a difficult time ahead, hopefully you get back on your feet soon.
Polaris is dying out – Wendy Stevens, the #1 North American rep just quit Monday.
yes – she has gone to Lifepath Unlimited
it appears there is a virtual flood of LLIers gone over to LifePath – Shane Krider and his cronnies have really screwed it up and pissed off a lot of their own people – and I bet they are worried
Has she gone to Lifepath?
I read that she’s gone off to focus on her private business and a book launch. Was going to do a writeup yesterday but got stuck doing something else.
OK guys, this is a website being pushed by Shannon Lavinia (sp?)
http://www.hubbardcollege.org/secret-of-productivity-and-teamwork.php
Did someone say Scientology?
how do you know this is being pcuhed by lavenia?
It is on Facebook.
Ps: Have learned today of another 2 ppl who have quit….
Polaris is going under 😀 !!!
We can only hope.
A quote from Tony Rush on FB
“Tony Rush – You couldn’t pay me enough to go get a flu shot. I’m amazed that people fall for this scam every year. This year, more people have fallen for it than ever.”
OK, so he is pointing out the flu shot is scam. (???)
Ignoring the hundreds of thousands of dollars fleeced from desperate people.
I am now thoroughly convinced this “man” has no spine or heart.
Disgusting.
I have just done so, and saved it as a word doc….how do I get it on here?
lloking forward to seeing this
I asked her directly if Polaris is a front for Scientology
she denied it
on it’s way.
iwonder – who are the other 2 that have quit PMG ?
personal friends who I am not naming.
Also, I asked her and SHE DELETED MY QUESTION WITHOUT ANSWERING IT!!!
Ive heard there are more EMC members moving over to LPU – shortly
I wouldn’t be surprised. When I asked a VERY prominent ex LLIer why they left…..they asked if Polaris had shut down yet.
Maybe a ploy to get me thinking, but also interesting with so many people leaving.
Oz, I have emailed through and blacked out my details so you can post it straight away.
I think people need to see this.
Larry was having trouble posting this so I’m posting it on his behalf:
Latest admission of failure from PMG. The Northstar marketing site and system was promised to be delivered on 9/9/9 launch. Read the document. You will see that the Scientologist pushed Wendy Stevens out. PMG is owned by Shane Krider, John Lavenia, Shannon Lavenia & Gene Braxton, all publically admitted Scientologist.
UWS was owned by John Lavenia, Shannon Lavenia, Gene Braxton, Tony Rush & Wendy Stevens. Tony doesn’t make many sales. He is being PAID by PMG to be the mouthpiece. Tony claims to not be a Scientologist (but it is highly suspect) and Wendy claims to not a Scientologist. They are both out of the extra income. Polaris edia Group & Northstar Marketing System are solely owned by Shane Krider, John Lavenia, Shannon Lavenia & Gene Braxton and all are Scientologist. Interesting?
LS
Can you take a screenshot of Lavinia pushing the Scientology website?
Did you save just the text or an actual screen shot of the information?
To take a screenshot bring the facebook page up and hit ‘Print Scrn’ (it’s in the bunch of keys on top of the arrow keys).
Then open up MSPaint or Photoshop and paste (ctrl-V) the information into an image. You can then save this image and send it as an attachment to me via email (email link top right of this page).
I think you can also paste images into word documents so if that’s what you’ve done you can just send the word document as an attachment with an email too.
Polaris finally publicly linked with scientology? This definitely deserves its own writeup.
One of my reasons for withdrawing from PMG after the change-over from LLI was my concern over the irresponsible testimonials of individuals who stated things like “… I’ve been with this company for 6 years and made…”
My concern was that if PMG only entered existence in Sept 2009, how could they have been with it for 6 years?
I ordered the Know For Yourself DVD and it came in the mail. I didn’t get my free ring and don’t know what to do to get it. I need help.
Krsta, I would say you got off lightly.
I know of someone who has LOST HIS HOME due to Polaris.
Be very very careful.
I wish you all the best.
Krysta. Have you not been listening to the wake up calls?
You need to visualise that you have a ring and then, if you are positive enough, you will have that ring.
Most people that are not positive enough actually lose their ring (and the shirts off their backs aswell) but keep pumping money into PMG and you are guaranteed to have the ring forever.
Hope this helps.
The ring lord has used all the rings to keep the thetans tied to the volcanoes. You may need to make a journey to middle earth and take some very expensive courses in LRH tech in order to retrieve your ring. When you are done you will be expected to join the sea org and lead other people who are searching for their own rings. Best of luck.
I am tempted to make a ring joke about Tony Rush.
I shall decline.
Well they’re both round with alot of empty space…
C’mon iwonder, give us all a laugh.
Hmm a similar comparison could be made between his ring and mouth….. Both round and full of sh…..
I would like to thank everyone who had a part in this information. I came across the ‘opportunity’ through the Mycareer website and got in contact with a person I later saw on the promotional material, she was a bit pushy but sent me a link to a site for information.
I went through the information and while it sounded fantastic, I still smelled a rat. I googled the name of the product and while a lot of pages that came up the were the names of (what I’m guessing) Associates with the domain of polaris but amoung those pages, I found a lot of pages reporting this scam.
As the sole income earner for my family, the minimum buy-in amount was a risk. I am thankful I looked further into this and was not as unlucky as so many of you.