Infinii Review: DS Domination expands into securities
DS Domination launched back in mid 2013, making it just over two years old.
On the business side of things, DS Domination marketed dropship training costing $2564.95.
Affiliate membership is extra, with retail members able to purchase the dropshipping training resources without signing up as affiliate.
I’ve always suspected this to be unlikely however, with the vast majority of DS Domination training purchasers being affiliates.
As per Alexa trafic estimates, from the fourth quarter of 2014 DS Domination has been in steady decline:
Options Domination was launched in March of this year, promising affiliates ROIs for “a few minutes work”.
Charging affiliates up to $399.95 a month, Options Domination paid affiliates to recruit new affiliates. Tacked onto this was a binary trading platform.
As of November, Options Domination appears to have flopped:
Now the latest offering from DS Domination is Infinii, which looks like it’s going to replace the opportunity altogether.
The Company
As at the time of publication, there is no information provided on the Infinii website other than the following message from Hitesh Juneja:
Don’t be in such a rush. Just pay attention to the event to understand it all first.
-Hitesh
Juneja is one of the founders of DS Domination and Options Domination, with further research revealing he is also credited as a founder of Infinii.
Juneja is joined in Infinii by fellow DS Domination and Options Domination executives Kevin Hokoana and Jason Rose.
The Infinii website domain itself was last updated on the 18th of September 2015, suggesting this might be when DS Domination acquired it.
The Infinii Product Line
Infinii seeks to expand on DS Domination’s offering by including it’s own e-commerce platform.
The platform accommodates digital and dropshipping products, with integrated dropshipping delivery.
Infinii Digital is the name of the digital product platform, with the ecommerce platform going by Infinii Marketplace.
DS Domination training is also bundled as it was before, through a much cheaper three-tier pricing structure:
- Prime – $49 a month
- Surge – $149 a month
- Excel – $399 a month
In addition to dropshipping training and resources, the above pricing tiers also unlock “Springboard Offers”, which Infinii affiliates can invest in on the expectation of a passive ROI.
More on that in the Infinii compensation plan breakdown below.
The Infinii Compensation Plan
The Infinii compensation plan sees affiliates pay a monthly fee and get paid to recruit others who do the same.
Additional commissions are offered through the Infinii Digital and Infinii Marketplace platforms, as well as passive ROIs through Springboard Offers.
Infinii Affiliate Ranks
There are twelve affiliate ranks in the Infinii compensation plan.
Along with their respective qualification criteria, they are as follows:
- Builder – generate and maintain at least 50 PV a month
- Manager – maintain at least 50 PV a month, have a downline generating at least 750 GV a month and a minimum weekly lesser binary volume of 375 GV
- Regional Manager – maintain at least 150 PV a month, have a downline generating at least 3000 GV a month (no more than 60% counted from any one unilevel leg) and a minimum weekly lesser binary volume of 1500 GV
- National Manager – maintain at least 150 PV a month, have a downline generating at least 10,000 GV a month (no more than 60% counted from any one unilevel leg) and a minimum weekly lesser binary volume of 5000 GV
- Director – maintain at least 150 PV a month, have a downline generating at least 30,000 GV a month (no more than 60% counted from any one unilevel leg) and a minimum weekly lesser binary volume of 10,000 GV
- Senior Director – maintain at least 400 PV a month, have a downline generating at least 80,000 GV a month (no more than 60% counted from any one unilevel leg) and a minimum weekly lesser binary volume of 20,000 GV
- Executive Director – maintain at least 400 PV a month, have a downline generating at least 200,000 GV a month (no more than 60% counted from any one unilevel leg) and a minimum weekly lesser binary volume of 20,000 GV
- Presidential Director – maintain at least 400 PV a month, have a downline generating at least 600,000 GV a month (no more than 60% counted from any one unilevel leg) and a minimum weekly lesser binary volume of 20,000 GV
- Ambassador – maintain at least 400 PV a month, have a downline generating at least 1,500,000 GV a month (no more than 60% counted from any one unilevel leg) and a minimum weekly lesser binary volume of 20,000 GV
- Diamond Ambassador – maintain at least 400 PV a month, have a downline generating at least 3,000,000 GV a month (no more than 40% counted from any one unilevel leg) and a minimum weekly lesser binary volume of 20,000 GV
- Crown Ambassador – maintain at least 400 PV a month, have a downline generating at least 6,000,000 GV a month (no more than 30% counted from any one unilevel leg) and a minimum weekly lesser binary volume of 20,000 GV
- Global Ambassador – maintain at least 400 PV a month, have a downline generating at least 10,000,000 GV a month (no more than 30% counted from any one unilevel leg) and a minimum weekly lesser binary volume of 20,000 GV
PV stands for “Personal Volume” and is sales volume generated by an affiliates own purchases (includes monthly membership) and any ecommerce activity they generate.
GV stands for “Group Volume” and is PV generated by an affiliate’s downline.
Residual Commissions
Residual commissions in Infinii are paid out weekly via a binary compensation structure.
A binary compensation structure places an affiliate at the top of a binary team, split into two sides (left and right):
The first two positions form the start of the two sides, with additional positions created by splitting the previous level’s positions into two new positions each.
Commissions are paid out based on sales volume generated by the weaker binary side (the side with less volume).
How much of a commission is paid out on weaker side volume is determined by an Infinii affiliate’s rank:
- Builder to National Manager – 10%
- Director to Presidential Director – 15%
- Ambassador to Global Ambassador – 20%
Additionally, the following weekly binary commission caps also apply:
- Builder – $260
- Manager – $760
- Regional Manager – $1000
- National Manager – $2000
- Director – $3500
- Senior Director – $5000
- Executive Director – $8000
- Presidential Director – $15,000
- Ambassador – $20,000
- Diamond Ambassador – $30,000
- Crown Ambassador – $40,000
- Global Ambassador – $50,000
Matching Bonus
The Infinii Matching Bonus pays out a percentage match on downline binary earnings, tracked through a unilevel compensation structure.
A unilevel compensation structure places an affiliate at the top of a unilevel team, with every personally recruited affiliate placed directly under them (level 1):
If any level 1 affiliates go on to recruit new affiliates, they are placed on level 2 of the original affiliate’s unilevel team.
If any level 2 affiliates recruit new affiliates, they are placed on level 3 and so on and so forth down a theoretical infinite number of levels.
The Matching Bonus pays out a 5% match on the binary earnings of personally recruited affiliates (level 1), with 100% paid out on every subsequent level.
Note that, based on an Infinii affiliate’s rank, the following Matching Bonus caps apply (per unilevel leg):
- Director – up to $200 match per unilevel leg
- Senior Director – up to $500 match per unilevel leg
- Executive Director – up to $1200 match per unilevel leg
- Presidential Director – up to $3500 match per unilevel leg
- Ambassador – up to $10,000 match per unilevel leg
- Diamond Ambassador – up to $20,000 match per unilevel leg
- Crown Ambassador – up to $35,000 match per unilevel leg
- Global Ambassador – up to $60,000 match per unilevel leg
Rank Achievement Bonus
When an Infinii affiliate qualifies at the Director or higher ranks, the following Rank Achievement Bonuses are paid out:
- Director – $10,000 paid out over two months plus an additional $10,000 if qualified as a Director within 90 days of joining the company
- Senior Director – $20,000 paid out over two two months
- Executive Director – $50,000 paid out over twelve months plus $10,000 annually for two years
- Presidential Director – $150,000 paid out over eighteen months plus $20,000 annually for two years
- Ambassador – $250,000 paid out over eighteen months plus $40,000 annually for five years
- Diamond Ambassador – $500,000 paid out over thirty-six months plus $125,000 a year for seven years
- Crown Ambassador – $1,000,000 paid out over forty-eight months, plus $200,000 a year for ten years
- Global Ambassador – $2,500,000 paid out over forty-eight months, plus $250,000 a year for ten years
Note that in the event of overlap on monthly and annual bonuses, Rank Achievement Bonus payouts are accumulative.
Beginner Bonus Pool
The Beginner Bonus Pool is available to Builder, Manager and Regional Manager ranked affiliates.
The pool pays out up to 1.5x of an affiliate’s unilevel team sales volume, with the following earning caps applied based on rank:
- Builder – $600
- Manager – $1200
- Regional Manager – $1800
It is unclear whether the Beginner Bonus Pool is paid out weekly or monthly.
Manager Bonus Pool
The Manager Bonus Pool operates in the same manner as the Beginner Bonus Pool, with the following earning caps applied based on rank:
- Manager – $50 a month
- Regional Manager – $150 a month
- National Manager – $400 a month
It is unclear whether the Manager Bonus Pool is paid out weekly or monthly.
Springboard Offers
Springboard Offers see affiliates invest in “seats”, with the expectation of a passive ROI.
Each offer has a set number of seats, with an attached required investment amount.
Infinii affiliates invest in a seat, with the company representing that ROIs per seat are generated by a “team of e-commerce experts”.
Infinii’s compensation plan material suggests that the more paid in membership fees each month, the higher the investment offers available.
Joining Infinii
As at the time of publication I haven’t seen any specifics as to whether Infinii affiliate membership is separate to the three-tier memberships offered.
As it stands the only known costs related to Infinii affiliate membership are Prime membership at $49 a month, Surge membership at $149 a month and Excel at $399 a month.
Conclusion
With the bulk of DS Domination’s training products being a one-time fee, Infinii seeks to create monthly recurring volume through ongoing fees.
As far as the repackaging of DS Domination’s training products goes, that’s pretty much all that’s happening with Infinii.
The ecommerce platforms could be interesting, however they lack the exposure of established platforms.
DS Domination has previously relied on the brand recognition of Amazon and eBay to market its dropshipping training. The Infinii brand is unknown to both suppliers and customers, meaning a transition will lose that recognition marketing power.
The concept of paying out volume via the MLM compensation plan on sales generated on the platform is interesting, but again how successful that will be remains to be seen.
What will ultimately make or break Infinii Digital and Marketplace is the adoption of the platforms by non-Infinii affiliates.
If it just winds up being an aesthetic compliment to the Infinii business opportunity, then it’s obviously going to flop.
That said, as I understand it, the whole sell third-party products on eBay and Amazon training from DS Domination is still included with Infinii membership – so there’s that to fall back on.
The decline of DS Domination however suggests that might not be enough.
Moving on, we have the whole Springboard Offers thing.
As currently advertised, Infinii’s Springboard Offers is undoubtedly a securities offering (click to enlarge):
The above are only examples provided by Infinii, but clearly identifiable are investment amounts and projected passive ROIs.
As far as affiliates are concerned, they simply dump their money in “seats” and collect a passive ROI at a later date.
This unquestionably constitutes a securities offering, which is worrying as to date I have been unable to verify Infinii having registered with the SEC.
A lack of SEC registration would see Infinii offering unregistered securities, which sees Infinii expose itself to the risk of a regulatory shutdown.
A secondary concern might be exactly what goes on in order to generate the advertised ROIs. It is represented that anonymous “ecommerce experts” are moving product that Infinii investors have invested in, but to what extent affiliates will be able to verify this purported activity remains to be seen.
As far as concerns newly invested funds are used to pay off existing investors, given the “offer” nature of each Springboard Offer, I doubt this is the case.
As I understand it each offer has a fixed number of seats with each requiring a set investment on the promise of an advertised ROI. That means each position pays out more than is invested, which is not how a Ponzi scheme works.
Whether or not Infinii management care about violating securities regulation in the US is unclear.
From what I saw with Binary Domination, clearly a securities offering was made yet to the best of my knowledge there was no SEC registration there either.
The last thing I’ll mention is a hopeful separation of affiliate membership with the offered Infinii monthly memberships.
Without a separation you’re looking at chain-recruitment, which when couple with unregistered securities concerns, only heightens Infinii’s apparent compliance issues.
If infact Infinii’s affiliate membership is separate to the monthly memberships, then the company will still need to ensure that enough monthly memberships are being sold to non-affiliates.
Having Infinii affiliates as the only purchasers of monthly membership is just as bad as not separating the affiliate side of the business at all.
Furthermore the fact that an affiliate’s own monthly spend on membership satisfies their monthly PV requirement, openly suggests that retail is not a focus.
Pending clarification on some of the above issues, I’d approach Infinii with caution.
Update 4th December 2015 – Infinii corporate haven’t addressed the issue publicly, but Infinii’s lawyer Kevin Thompson has clarified that, following publication of this review, Infinii have since removed the Springboard offer seats component of their compensation plan.
A few factual inaccuracies:
DSD has always stated they have less than 30% affiliates with more than 70% of their users never even joining as an affiliate.
At their event (which I attended) last weekend, Kevin Thompson confirmed this from the stage.
I also spoke directly with Hitesch Junega at the event, and he showed examples of products from Springboard. There was a whole section dedicated to it.
Right now DSD members acquire inventory from China/other manufacturers to sell on Amazon. Springboard is where this is done with a co-op instead for better margins.
It has nothing to do with passive returns at all and I feel you have mischaracterized it for sensationalism.
The products are still being sold on amazon and ebay, except now we are able to purchase them directly from suppliers at better margins and Infinii handles the process of bringing the products in.
I fear you do not have any knowledge on how Amazon FBA works and are making things up at this point.
It was also clarified from the stage that you are not required to purchase any ‘level’ to promote something.
Affiliate stuff is separate as well (and not of my interest), and it was clarified that participation in it is entirely optional (not something to say if your aim is to get people to recruit others).
Just wanted to clarify one more point that you raised:
On the webinar about it, and also at the event, it was explained that the items are upto the user to select from the provided options.
The products are on amazon so you can see amazon price and the co-op price, and the margin is what I would get.
For everyone who sells on amazon it seems very straightforward and worthwhile, I’m not sure why you are stating this is ‘securities’ and ‘passive’.
It’s the same as before, selling on amazon, but instead of going to china to buy items (which is risky and requires large investment), the co-op makes it easier and faster while lowering the risk to the amazon seller.
Those are some large numbers in the payout of bonuses.
Yet did I miss where all this “volume” be it personal or group is coming from?
What id everyone buying or selling month after month to create this volume in sales and bonuses?
Yeah I’ve heard this too. That the number hasn’t changed in 2 years is pretty suspect.
Also while the number of affiliates might be at around 30%, I don’t think I’ve seen the percentage of revenue generated by them.
I’d be willing to bet it’s a lot more than 30%. This could be a problem if the majority of funds entering DS Domination is sourced from affiliate membership fees.
As it stands, I dump funds in Infinii, sit back and collect a ROI. That’s a securities offering and markedly different from manually listing products and earning a commission on sales.
When official Infinii marketing material specifies explicit ROIs, yeah no worries, I mischaracterized it…
Optional or not doesn’t matter. That it exists at all is the issue.
Can you clarify whether or not Infinii affiliate membership is tied to a monthly membership purchase or if there’s a separation?
Because…
“Easier and faster” = invest funds with Infinii, sit back and collect an advertised ROI.
That’s a securities offering and is not the same as before.
No because you’re ordering products from them that are then sold on amazon. It’s not a ROI from what you put into infinii, it’s based on your products selected and their sales on amazon.
You pick the products, if enough other people do too, you have a viable co-op, the money goes to manufacturer, the item goes on amazon and is profitable due to the price difference. it’s a massive stretch to state this is securities offering.
And this piece from you is just killer:
“Yeah I’ve heard this too. That the number hasn’t changed in 2 years is pretty suspect.
Also while the number of affiliates might be at around 30%, I don’t think I’ve seen the percentage of revenue generated by them.”
So the company actually does well and maintains more than 70% customer base, and you now say that’s suspect. Their attorney confirms the numbers, and you say you’ll just ignore it.
Unless you have a way of knowing internal metrics and are saying their attorney is lying you need to correct your assertion. Funny enough they spent vast majority of the event on customer side of things and clarifying how small a portion of their system comes from affiliate business.
you also asked for separation between customers and affiliates which is already there. Affiliates pay $9.95/month separate from the customers so people do buy just the product without the need to join as a affiliate and recruit.
I know there are thousands of customers who are not affiliates because I interact with them in the facebook groups of the company all the time.
Oz, it just boggles my mind because this company is doing EVERYTHING the right way. The focus is on product side, less than 30% are affiliates, and there is clear separation between the 2 sides.
They state vast majority of the revenue of members comes from sales to outside customers (which has been my experience at least). You should be holding these type of stats as example that true products in this industry with retail focus ARE possible.
Follow the money.
You invest $x in Infinii, do nothing and then they pay you back an advertised >$x ROI.
That’s a passive ROI on invested funds through Infinii which equates to a securities offering.
How explicitly the ROI is generated is irrelevant, only that it is passive matters within the context of identifying a securities offering.
I never acknowledged the company did well. What I pointed out was 30%/70% ratio unchanged over two years was suspect. That’s not how you’d expect a regular business to function.
I also raised the question of revenue entering the company and you didn’t address that. This is important because if your retail customers are only contributing an negligible amount of funds into the company (meaning affiliates are the only ones buying the high-ticket items), this is reflective of a lack of retail value.
Thanks for clarifying that, but let’s not get ahead of ourselves. As of the time of publication there is no way to sign up as an Infinii retail customer.
(are you clarifying an affiliate separation in DS Domination or Infinii?)
As of the time of publication, there is also no way to sign up as an INFINii affiliate. Tell both sides of the story instead of your spin.
I’m sorry, was that not the Infinii logo emblazoned on checks handed out to affiliates at the recent event?
And why would I bring up affiliates in response to a claim about retail customers?
watch out below, Ken “the biggest ponzi scamming pimp on the planet” Russo, is now pimping this!
That is the nail in the coffin for this ponzi!
I’m not sure if it helps but I have been a member of DSD for about 6 months and I just use the training products. All the money I make comes from applying the training and selling products on eBay.
I have no interest in affiliate promotions and I found it refreshing that DSD as a company didn’t try to push or force me in that direction.
I am also interested in many of the points that you have brought up about infinii. Some of what I read was that they have beta tested the system with some established leaders with in the DSD program.
I also read that they are opening membership early for existing customers (most likely to promote as affiliates) and that it will open to the public December 1st.
People are flocking to this deal. Big fan fair in Orlando…I don’t get it, what exactly is the product that is sold to retail customers?
If KT was up on stage it must have some validity as he is a no nonsense type guy.
There’s nothing valid about Infinii’s springboard offer seats. Affiliates pay $x on the expectation of an advertised ROI (implied or otherwise).
It’s a securities offering and Infinii to date have not provided any information suggesting they are registered with the SEC.
Well – now that it’s been open to join for a day or two – what are the latest thoughts about this program? Thumbs up or down?
I suppose there will be no way of knowing without actually bucking up; upgrading and then purchasing once to see if the product sells and gets the desired profits.
Watched the hangout last night. Made the springboard part crystal clear. Pure simple service where you purchase products from manufacturers, and it is sold on amazon/ebay. You set the prices, choose the products, confirm the process. They provide warehousing channel (just like Amazon FBA does).
If you use the service you pay management fee for it – just like amazon FBa. Not a hint of ponzi or returns or anything like that.
Your money is your money, there is no ‘pooling’ of resources to give a return.
I think they messed up by initially calling ‘palletes’ of products you can buy as ‘seats’ in co-op and the ponzi pimps started pushing it with their spin on it. They literally said nothing about affiliates/promotion either. All the presentation was about the activity of a user as a customer.
Affiliate/partner business is separate. Very good hangout, legitimized all of it. Oz you will need to revise your review here quite a bit.
Well is the whole seats and springboard offers part of the comp plan? Just because they didn’t mention it in a hangout doesn’t mean it’s not there.
Seems suss they didn’t go over affiliate promotion either. Almost like they’re trying to avoid the elephant(s) in the room.
No, there are no seats at all. You just purchase the product from them like you’re importing product from china.
They are doing an affiliate compensation plan presentation tonight separate from the one yesterday which was purely for customers and what the platform does.
There CEO said 3-4 times that if they were a typical mlm then there would be a lot more talk of affiliate stuff, but more than 80% members are customers only, and they have about 5 million real retail customers so they don’t talk too much about the affiliate side and they will cover it tomorrow (which is today now).
The only way you generate BV is when something is sold on Amazon or eBay or when someone pays for the platform or digital products. You dont get bv for anyone become affiliate. Affilaite is also a separate fee and that is not counted in bv either and customers are not upsold to affilaite by default.
Looks like they are doing everything right way. No wonder Kevin Thomson endorsed them officially. I think you will have to revise post soon 🙂
As per the hangout or as per the Infinii compensation plan (not the modified presentation they are passing around)?
There was always the manual side of the business in DS Domination, with the big thing about Infinii supposedly being automated offerings (securities).
They know they’re under scrutiny at the moment so I’m not surprised they banged on about customers and didn’t talk about springboard seats…
…and you’re wondering why they didn’t cover springboard seats?
Having been in contact with the man numerous times over endorsements, I can say with full confidence Thompson does not personally endorse any of his clients.
Legal representation != endorsement.
You sure know a lot about INFINii. Can you give us a rundown of the comp plan? I’d like to have your information before the official explanation that’s happening in about an hour.
Also, have you talked with Mr. Thompson specifically about INFINii? Or are you projecting your supposed knowledge, yet again?
Sure. Scroll up.
Thompson has clarified to me on numerous occasions that he does not personally endorse his clients. This isn’t the first time affiliates have attempted to claim legitimacy through their company’s legal representation, and I don’t reach out to him personally every time it happens.
I’d be very surprised if there’s anything out there from Infinii themselves claiming Thompson’s endorsement.
Oz, you’re mistaken again. Kevin Thomson said at their event that this is the first company he is officially endorsing, not just representing like he does others.
He said he reviewed their business model, spoke with hundreds of customers, and looked at the internal numbers and based on all that he is endorsing this as the first company he ever has. that’s a big deal.
And you’re really misrepresenting them here. I went in very skeptically as well because the way some people presented it, it did sound like that. But I went back and watched their initial explanation and it is the same.
The only different is they used the word seats to define a pallet which is a problem.
Please don’t put words in my mouth. I said they DID cover springboard in a lot of detail with lots of examples. There was just nothing related to affilaites in it.
It is just a pure customer based service…you don’t get any money or BV for buying springboard services. You don’t get bv for buying items from the manufactueres.
You don’t get bv for any of that stuff, just literally is a service for members who are selling on ebay or amazon and want to purchase cheap products and have it all warehoused and shipped.
Either you are skeptical from the past (which I understand I was a very vocal critic of zeek and onecoin and others), or you just have it out for these guys (which is seems like because you keep misrepresenting what was said). Again, eitehr way you will need to redo this review due to massive inaccuracies.
Gotta love it when people have no idea what a security is.
And affiliates have what exactly to do with anything?
Look I’ll make it really simple for you: If you dump $x in Infinii, sit back and collect a passive ROI – that’s a securities offering.
It doesn’t matter what they call it, it doesn’t matter if they discussed it on a hangout and it doesn’t matter if they removed it from their business presentation.
If it’s part of the business it’s a compliance red flag, as Infinii are not registered with the SEC.
It’s that simple chief.
Re. Thompson, I’ve reached out to him. I’ll likely only get an answer on the endorsement however as he doesn’t talk about clients (understandable).
And that’s exactly what’s NOT happening. If I buy products and send the product to Amazon, amazon sells the product, ships the product, and sends me profits. Is Amazon a ponzi? Are you out of your mind?
The ONLY difference with INFINii is that they research and negotiate products first. I’m just buying the items through them instead of going to china and negotiating there.
I define the product’s price and they send it to amazon. What’s so hard to understand about it? You’ve just set up a strawman by first claiming they are offering passive roi when that’s simply not the case.
That’s not what the springboard offer seats are.
Springboard offer seats see affiliates dump $x for seat positions, with each seat position paying out a passive ROI.
You’re (intentionally or otherwise) confusing the manual and automated components of the business.
Then you don’t understand how the springboards work. You are buying actual products. You can do with them what you want. Have them sent to your home. Sell them on eBay or Amazon. Or have them sent into the INFINii Amazon account.
On that last option, you get the profit when it sells. It isn’t a pushbutton passive ROI.
Will you recant when Mr. Thompson replies?
Mate I wrote this review based on Infinii’s own official compensation plan documents. That they’ve since censored them is neither here nor there.
You pay $x to Infinii, sit back and collect a passive ROI per seat position invested in. That’s a securities offering.
Why do you think all the ex uFun Club Ponzi pimps are having orgasms about Infinii on Facebook? They know exactly what’s up.
Until I see official documents from Infinii clarifying whether they are still offering passive ROIs through Springboard Offer seats, the review doesn’t need an update.
You guys can keep crapping on about the manual side of the business in the meantime. What you can and can’t do in addition to investing in Springboard seats doesn’t cancel the securities offering out.
Then you don’t have the latest information that they’ve made public. It’s not hard. Check their Facebook or Youtube accounts.
I’m aware Infinii censored their compensation plan documentation after I published this review.
As far as I know however, they have no changed the actual compensation plan. I have seen nothing to suggest otherwise.
Not talking about an unregistered securities offering but still incorporating it into your business model is pseudo-compliance.
What baloney. There presentation got misrepresented so they updated it with clearer language. (Ozedit: Offtopic derail attempt removed)
How does a company go about clarifying their service any better than they did? They made clearer presentation, updated data, and held a hangout making it super clear.
By tthe way, when I buy a product to sell on Amazon, I ALWAYS refer to the margins on it as ROI. That is the terminology people doing real business use.
(Ozedit: Offtopic derail attempts removed)
By who? Infinii? Baloney indeed.
It doesn’t need to be made any clearer:
If you invest $x in Infinii’s springboard offer seats and collect a passive ROI, that’s a securities offering. Infinii are not registered with the SEC so it’s an unregistered securities offering.
So Amazon (Ozedit: Offtopic non-MLM discussion removed)
That is LITERALLY verbatim the explanation of SpringBoards – “Leverage our expertise and warehousing to sell products to customers on multiple ecommerce platforms.” You pay Amazon a fee. You pay Infinii a fee.
There is NO passive ROI offered – you took one slide from a non-public presentation and used the word ROI to setup a strawman.
Again, if Kevin Thomson clarifies that he does endorse them will you apologize and recant?
If you pay Infinii $x for a springboard seat and in return receive a greater than $x passive ROI, that’s a securities offering.
If all you’re going to do is go offtopic and derail, we’re done here till Infinii clarify whether Springboard offer seats are still part of their compensation plan (you and I both know they are).
Re. Thompson, let’s not get ahead of ourselves.
And just to ram home the “passive” component of the securities offering:
What are you as an Infinii affiliate doing, other than investing in Springboard seats, to generate the ROI? It’s totally passive as everything is handled by Infinii.
All you do is invest $x and collect a ROI. Whether or not Infinii do or don’t do what they claim to do to generate the ROI is irrelevant (strictly within the context of unregistered securities).
What matters is you, the investor, are receiving a passive ROI on the efforts of others – that’s why Infinii’s Springboard seats are a securities offering.
posted by an infinii affilaite on dec 1, 2015:
and what is the definition of an ‘investment contract'[securities] according to the SEC?
1. an investment of money due to
2. an expectation of profits arising from
3. a common enterprise
4. which depends solely on the efforts of a promoter or third party
so, pay money into infinii and sit back, while they do all the work and pay you an ROI.
^^this is totally a security. infinii needs to register with the SEC. on the other hand, seeing that hitesh juneja’s previous recruitment schemes DS dominations and options dominations petered out in 6 months or so, why go to the trouble of registering with the SEC at all?
so , all the products an affiliate purchases manages to get sold?
what about unsold products? does infinii just take it back from affiliates?
i’m thinking that unsold products wll lead to heavy inventory losses for affiliates?
is infinii ecommerce some magic business where all products will get sold month after month?
springboard seats generate 250%/450%/600% ROI’s.
this ROI supposedly comes from infinii sourcing and RETAILING products on amazon on behalf of the affiliates via FBA.
is anybody in their right mind trying to suggest that margins in retail products can be 600% ??!!
carl says he attended the seminar where juneja talked about the products. so, tell us what these products are that generate such HUGE UNBELIEVABLE margins?
a cursory inspection on the net, shows people talking about earning 10%-20% margins from retailing on amazon AFTER sourcing products cheaply. maybe infinii is smarter than the rest and can source goods sooo cheaply that they can have even 50%margins too. but 450%/600% margins?? juneja is kidding right?
half the world sells stuff via amazon and competition has made margins tight.
i hope kevin thompson has checked out all the facts before letting these guys shoot from his shoulder.
First, you keep saying “infinii affiliate” which is just false. An infinii affiliate is not participating in the springboard at all. You have to be a customer of infinii to buy products from the springboard.
Second, no, not all products get sold, that is why it is important to keep in mind that you have to select the right products and set the right prices. They stated clearly that ~70-80% are sold and that a seller gets profits generated only on sale of their items on amazon/ebay.
You’re trying really hard to take a legitimate service and turn it into a ponzi offering when it has nothing to do with it.
You cannot join as an infinii affiliate, put money into springboard and watch it passively pay out. That’s just not the case at all. Your earning is based on your sales and product selection.
To clarify you and I could spend $100 on springboard items and our results be very different depending what products we chose, the price point, and what’s trending.
So Infinii affiliates are barred from investing in Springboard seats?
Come off it…
As per Infinii’s compensation plan or the hangout where they didn’t talk about Springboard offer investing?
The original Infinii compensation plan documentation explained the passive investment offering. I reviewed that and then they started telling people they just didn’t explain it properly.
Infinii then censored the document and removed all mention of Springboard seat investment offers. There has been absolutely no confirmation that the Springboard seat offers have been actually removed from the business model though.
Not talking about the Springboard seat investment offers doesn’t make them go away. Nor does posturing on and on about the manual listing side of the business.
I find it hard to believe they scrapped the one thing all the ex uFun Ponzi pimps were excited about. I mean otherwise it’s just choose your own adventure (products) DS Domination.
The whole selling point of Infinii was the automated ROIs.
Again, there are *some* products that generate very large margins (as a FBA seller myself I know this personally.
You can get products for $0.20-$0.50 and sell on Amazon for $5-$10 easily). However, the examples they showed they again emphasized that most products generate 15% to 50% range profit margins, with some in the 50-100% range and few in the much higher range.
You have absolutely ZERO first hand information. I’m absolutely shocked how easily you guys mouth off about things you’ve not researched at all.
You didn’t even actually watch the company’s own presentation at all?
uh what?
be clear. what exactly is the difference between infinii affiliates and customers?
secondly is the springboard [by any name] still available or not?
if reasonable ROI from retailing is approx 15% why is the net full of promises of 600% ROI’s. show us the company compensation plan which gives the correct expected ROI’s.
what happens to the unsold goods? are they shipped to the person who ordered them? show us where this risk of unsold products is clearly mentioned in the compensation plan.
can you track the products you have purchased, to check when they are sold on amazon?
if there are a hundred seats sold for a particular product, then a hundred affiliates will purchase the product at the same cost price.
then a hundred affiliates/customers of infinii can choose their own retail price for amazon and wait for it to get sold.
so effectively you have 100 affiliates/customers of infinii competing with each other on amazon to sell the same pair of say, skewers at different prices! yeah, good luck killing your uplines and downlines on amazon!
i think, infinii will suggest the retail price for amazon and all you guys have to do is invest and sit back to enjoy the ROI’s [if they are ‘real’ at all to begin with]
and every penny that infinii pays out as ROI, can be easily tracked back to actual purchase and sales of products, so juneja better keep his sales accounts in order, in case regulators want to check.
With the amount of money being spent to “buy” seats it won’t matter of the products sell or not – they can just pay the ROI and fake it like they make it.
I mean who can predict the market. Some items maybe hot one week and the next not sell at all.
Yet to support these ROI and keep the funds flowing into their system you can bet they will be paying these ROI as fast and as often as they can. To me its a dead giveaway.
Its not about margins its about selling and conditioning the people in INFINII to keep spending their funds into it.
Getting more people sold on getting more people into it. While they juggle funds to pay the ROI to the members.
Even if they could support this by selling products no one can be on point 100% time with all the products they select and offer to resell on behalf of all the members that decide to dive in blindly.
The safer bet is just to pay the ROI with the invested funds. Keep the dream alive with cute window dressing of products paid for to resell.
yes, even i suspect its a disguised ponzi.
but if juneja is reselling through amazon, then infinii’s whole sales history will be a matter of record. juneja can hide the truth from his affiliates, but how can he hide from regulators?
Are you trying to tell us that the customers buy the springboard seats, and that the affiliates sell them?
in a webinar posted yesterday[?], juneja says that infinii is not like vemma which had affiliates self consuming autoship and getting commissions on it, because people invest in the infinii springboard to earn money from retail.
he did not mention the monthly autoship of ‘training products’ that affiliates and even customers have to purchase to participate in springboard.he did not mention that commissions are paid on these autoships.
i still cannot figure what the difference between customers and affiliates is, and neither did juneja explain it!
carl says affiliates can choose the retail price of the product themselves, but juneja did not mention that. neither was there any mention of the possibility that 70-80% products may be sold and the rest may remain unsold, as reported by carl here.
also, juneja was giving an example of earning just 10% off retailing on amazon, which is a far cry from what affiliates have been promising [600% ROI]. after subtracting amazons fee and infinii’s fee, that may be a more realistic percentage.
so basically, you invest thousands of dollars with infinii, with the hope of a 10% ROI in no fixed time frame, and no guarantee that the product you invest in will get sold.
juneja showed a photo of a part of a warehouse, which was empty except for a table with a pile of small boxes. this was ‘proof’ of the ‘multi million’ worth products that infinii was shipping off to amazon.
IMHO this is just a reboot of DS domination and options domination, now with the possibility of continual income from autoship.
‘product selling’ on amazon is basically to use the brand name of amazon to recruit people to monthly autoship and apply a veneer of legitimacy.
if juneja ever shows his sales docs, product sales via amazon will be the smallest entry on the page.
firstly you do not Invest Money with amazon. you forward them your product and they sell it on their platform for which they charge you a fee.
secondly the money of various resellers on amazon is not Pooled in any way, and profits are not paid out on a Pro rata Basis.
in infinii springboard your Money is Pooled with other investors money to purchase product and you receive ROI’s with minimal personal effort [clicking on products of your choice] on a pro rata basis.
thus amazon is not selling securities but infinii possibly is.
hey carl, whats with rodney burton and other infinii recruiters holding up huge cheques with huge numbers on them?
i cannot believe kevin thompson will endorse that!! he knows the FTC doesn’t like that kind of thing.
also in his webinar, juneja preached a lot about how infinii was all about retail and not about recruiting [reminded me of lyoness].
yet, ex ufun ponzi recruiter and new infinii affiliate, jamison palmer says:
why in the world do you need top recruiters when it’s all about retail retail to happy happy amazon customers??
I’m not involved but could be persuaded. The debate is useful and I wonder if Mr Oz is being deliberately obtuse here.
He seems intent to hold on to his original information almost for dear life when the information has clearly changed – for reasons of compliance? – rendering his original stance inadmissable.
Curious, and compounded by his attempt to describe the change as an act of censoring. Someone bring this boy a dictionary.
And what of his alliance to Mr Thompson? I hope his hasty and brief reference that this lawyer my well indeed have endorsed the subject of his cynicism was not missed by other observers.
Whether Mr. Oz realises it or not his approach is highly dubious and smacks of a hidden agenda to the extent that it actually lends credence to the very thing his not too impartial review is targeting.
As to the other side of the debate. Well, there is clearly something there. But what and by how much.
It seems to me that Springboard will be the mass customer attraction and the dealmaker IF it operates as claimed. But will it?
Will the Springboard management sell what will ultimately be an tremendous amount of product? At or around the claimed profit margins?
When he finally catches up with the rest of us I wonder what wonders of his mind Mr Oz will regale us of on that one.
Look at you keyboard warriors bloviating when you really have no idea of any of this.
First off, the official presentation that is available on their pages specifically shows the process and expectations.
Second, affilaites get NOTHING for promoting springobard it is literally a separate service and it produces NO BV or commissions in the system at all.
The ONLY time any BV is generated is when a product is sold on Amazon and that’s something that can be tracked very easily (and the product’s tracked sales history is shown based on the amazon softrware in excel).
It is absolutely vile how hard you are trying to make up things to tear down the only company that is staunchly customer retail focused.
First off there are no ‘seats’, it was a poor choice of words. That is actually the first impression (and I got promoted to on FB by a guy pushing the ROI angle so I know what you mean). However the companny presentation and hangout really cleared it up.
You are buying PRODUCTS from a supplier. For example, you are purchasing 10 water bottles that cost $4 and sell for $12 on amazon. This means I will spend $40 getting the bottles.
Springboard will bring the product in and ship it to amazon on my behalf, for which I pay a management fee – like $3-4. So now my total cost is $44.
When one of the bottles sells on amazon, I get $12, of which I pay $4 in amazon fees (roughly). So I have made a net profit of around $4. Pure ecommerce, nothing to do with anything mlm/ponzi at all.
So if all 10 sell, I would have made a $40 profit (which IS a 100% return for me in my business).
If only 5 sell I would break even. This is how business works. There is no guarantee of how much I will make. This is why I will be listing the items on ebay at the same time too (to increase my sales).
The only way my upline will make money, is that for each bottle that sells on Amazon, it will generate 2% in BV. Meaning for every $12 in sales, .24 BV will be generated.
My upline will not make any money from selling me springboard seats, or from my actual ROI, JUST from the actual sales on Amazon. Same when I sell the items on eBay the 2% BV comes from my sales on ebay.
This is elementary stuff to us sellers. But for most of the people on here like Anjali who just spew comments without producing anything this is all alien language.
Same thing on paid shopping. I go to local walmart. Get something for $5. Sell it on Amazon for $15. I get $6-$7 in profit. It also generates 0.3BV for the upline.
In this case there is no springboard at all, I didn’t pay a penny to Infinii, just to walmart. This is where you are all confused.
You think infinii is collecting all this money from people and then giving a return. You are spending money on PRODUCT. Whether you buy it from infinii via springboard or from a local seller, or bring it in from china is up to you.
If you use their service to get sales on your behalf, you pay a management fee to them. that is all.
@anjali
Affiliates pay a fee. Retail customers just pay to access the dropshipping platform.
@Jon
Until officially clarified, I’m not in the habit of going with the flow. That’s never been the smartest option.
Anyway it has since been clarified that the Springboard seats offering has been dropped, quite obviously because it was an unregistered security.
Not unless Infinii offer affiliates products that cannot be sourced elsewhere. E-commerce is pretty cut-throat.
DS Domination had affiliates source their own products, this communal setup dilutes diversity and pretty much removes an affiliate’s competitive edge.
The skillgap between effective and terrible marketers has been removed, which overall I think will dilute profits. At least on the dropshipping side of things.
@Carl
Oh shutup. Springboard offers was a thing and was removed.
Instead of pretending your company never ran with a securities offering, acknowledge it existed and has since been removed because it was what it was.
Crapping on as if Springboard offer seats never existed is disingenious.
There was no “poor choice of words”. Springboard offer seats investment was a thing, later removed after BehindMLM identified it to be a potential unregistered securities offering.
You appear to be talking out of both sides of your mouth. In one sentence you deny there are affiliates. In the other you claim there are direct customers to Infinii AND there are affiliates. So what story are you sticking with?
@anjali
Evidently you don’t know the first thing about the manufacturing process to retail profit margins.
I’ve had products I invented manufactured by private label companies with much larger profit margins than you think are unheard of.
Example: On of my most successful was a specialty lotion that cost me $.69 per unit I still sell them today for 10.95 + shipping. Do the math.
Our 50 year old corporation also has private label manufactures produce products for us in the chemo therapy hair loss market which cost us $2.50 per unit we wholesale for 11-15 per unit depending upon quantity and retails 29.95 up to 39.95
Again do the math.
What I didn’t mention is for my products personally I started out with a 5000 unit minimum. Spend ton’s of time on RD as well as marketing etc.
My families 50 year old corp. has spend 1000s on some products without any return on investment. But we have hit a few home runs.
Specifically the ones above with the 1000%+ margins.
Now, what I find interesting here is a rush to judgment by OZ.
Take a piece of advice from Donald Trump. Just calm down, relax and let’s get some more info before we rush to judgment.
The concept here is great. Basically what you are looking at is crowd sourcing for products that are already in demand and reducing your product cost by quantity as well as business relationship status (large buyer) and using a platform already in existence to fulfill sales.
With online sales the trend of the future, and the obvious likelihood that if done properly this business model has great potential for extended growth for an extensive period of time, I think it would be prudent to slow down and take a much closer look than you did OZ initially.
That’s my take,
Zac
Hey if it works, it works and more power to you. I’m just glad they removed the securities offering bit.
DS Domination was in decline and Options Domination failed. They needed something to spruce things up and if a managed dropshipping solution does it, with a majority customer (non-affiliate) base, that’s great.
I think a dropshipping service is a much more viable long-term offering than dropshipping training ebooks and videos. Whether it’s enough to sustain an MLM opportunity of course remains to be seen.
Do you mean that people should ignore those other presentations?
One of the videos I looked at claimed that Infinii had $2 billion in sales since 2013 and $380 million in profit.
youtu.be/50VW517Xztg?t=3m15s (3:30 — 3:55 into the video)
We will normally look at both the company’s own material and how it’s being marketed by the “sales force”. Most presentations focused on the “seats” and “unlocking income streams”.
THE “INFINII SPRINGBOARD” (the same video, from 4:00)
The “Infinii Springboard” was presented as a co-op style program that allows you to earn e-commerce profits from high margin products while a team of experts do the selling for you.
I checked a few other videos from other affiliates. They had relatively similar presentations of the “Infinii Springboard”.
Thanks for your reply and more power to you best wishes OZ. I’m not promoting this YET but I do like the model and concept.
I’ve been watching for a year or so. What I do like about this as opposed to traditional MLM is the product isn’t sold at an elevated price to cover the comp plan.
Products are actually sold at market value, (and below) due to quantity wholesale price.
If done correctly I see this as a viable platform to let the average Joe get involved in online retail sales and earn income based upon how much effort they put into this business.
I’ll update when more info is available.
Zac
Thank you for the explanation. It did clarify something.
One thing that still is unclear …
The main idea of dropshipping should normally be that the sellers won’t need to buy any products first. Inventory and shipping should normally be handled by that third party company — e.g. Amazon or Ebay.
That’s where Infinii’s idea is rather vague. The video in post #56 had an explanation from about 4:00, but it didn’t make the idea become clearer.
youtu.be/50VW517Xztg?t=4m
If sellers will need to buy products for inventory first, then the whole idea seems to be rather meaningless.
good for you!
but infinii is not inventing, or has any R&D, or whitelabeling products.
they want to purchase branded products at discount, via bulk buying. in this scenario expecting 450%- 600% returns is highly improbable.
but, it seems infinii is no longer offering such ROI’s, so all’s well that ends well.
how much fee do affiliates pay to be able to recruit?
do retail customers have to be on the monthly ‘training material’ autoship?
is there a ‘retail margin’ on the dropshipping platform and monthly autoship?
I haven’t seen Infinii affiliate fees disclosed. The presentation just mentions monthly fees across Prime, Surge and Excel.
I went and checked the Infinii website to see if there’s any new information up about it, thinking the online presentation might cover it.
It doesn’t, but there’s still information in the presentation that sounds an awful lot like a securities offering:
^^ How is that not a passive ROI? All the affiliate is doing is sending Infinii money on the promise of a projected ROI.
infinii.com/INFINii_Official_Rewards_Plan.pdf (accessed on 4th December, 2015)
Or is this official corporate Infinii presentation currently available from the Infinii website also out of date?
it better be out-of-date, or else kevin thompson stands to be embarrassed by juneja’s wordsmithing.
juneja talks about how ‘transparent’ infinii’s com plan is.
for starters, let the people know the difference between affiliates and retail customers. what good is retail without retail margins?
KT just confirmed the current presentation on the Infinii website is out of date.
All i really need to know about this company is that they promoted binary trading …. There is no bigger scam on planet earth than binary trading.
How can anyone take them seriously after they pushed such garbage.
Normally when you purchase/invest in a product, you are at the mercy of the seller because you don’t know if it actually works. You just have to trust they have some modicum of integrity, and arent promoting you total bullshit.
I didnt know the guys behind infinii were pushing binary options, but now that I do, it serves as a big giant red flag.
If binary options worked, the owners could simply make a gazillion dollars and not bother with creating products (and save the “want toe help people bulllshit)). The fact that they pushed something so scammy, tells me I should stay far far far away from Infinii.
Thanks for bringing this info to us. I was considering infinii since im interested in ecommerce, but i’m not going near them with a 100 foot pole.
Just another quick rebuttal is the fact that buy quantity is well within the realm of possibility to expect 3-500% profit margins.
Heck I can buy a gross (144) units of an existing factory product, have my label put on for free, for 1.29/unit and resell all day long at 12.95 or run specials at 8.95 and still have over 400%.
These margins are not uncommon as you say. Brick and mortars need these wholesale prices in order to pay their high over head.
You obviously don’t have much experience in this field, so you may want to reserve judgment and or being so critical.
Zac
I have business experience and education, so you can focus on quite rational explanations. I’m familiar with the whole distribution chain from manufacturing to end users, but not each and every detail.
Most brick and mortar companies have relatively low profit margins. High profit margin is usually related to specific circumstances, e.g. that the product is costly or difficult to sell, that it will require some “incentives” to be sold, short expected lifespan of the product before it will be outdated, seasonal products, niche products, etc.
High profit margin != high profit. High profit margin in trade doesn’t reflect how much profit a business will make, it only reflects that costs are high or the volume is low — that the business operates in a rather difficult market.
INFINII
Sale is usually about selling the idea of something, ideas people already believe in or can accept. The idea of 250% or more profit can easily be sold to “wannabe ecommerce merchants” with relatively low business experience, but the idea will fail to work in reality for those wannabes.
The dropshipping idea failed to work for most people. That’s probably why people left the program — it simply didn’t generate the expected results.
You can look at the Alexa rankings (screenshots in the Infinii review) to see how that idea worked. “Up like a lion and down like a prey”.
behindmlm.com/companies/ds-domination/infinii-review-ds-domination-expands-into-securities/
It attracted some people for a few months, but then the idea collapsed.
I haven’t looked at that part of the business other than the screenshots. “Binary trading” and “binary options” are too specialized markets to be of any interest for me. I don’t see them as “commercial markets”.
The original idea for DS Domination was “Sell training courses and software for dropshipping sale” — e.g. how people could make a profit by picking up existing products on Amazon and then selling them on Ebay (or vice versa) at a higher price.
It actually was more about recruiting people and selling the opportunity itself, but that’s a different story.
yes, it is also in the ‘realm of possibility’ that you can become a millionaire reselling on amazon, but how many people do?
yes, it is in the ‘realm of possibility’ that you can get 500% profit margins reselling on amazon but how many products provide that?
if you are trying to say that a say, 100,000 infinii affiliates can sell niche products on amazon in bulk volumes, with 250-600% margins, day in and day out, month after month, then i suggest you descend from your ‘realm of possibility’ to the practical realities of commerce.
as norway has explained high volume products have low returns and low volume niche products have higher returns.
‘realm of possibility’ is a good premise for writing fairy tales, but it wont help much in making profits from reselling on amazon.
if infinii goes ahead with its springboard offer of between 250-500% returns from selling on amazon, then i can tell you right here and right now that it will be a lie and it will be nothing but a ponzi scheme.
BTW, is the infinii springboard offer off or on?
That idea could work for some people. If they “worked the business” then the business could work for them. It didn’t work for most people, but that’s probably because business doesn’t work like people THINK. And if you wish to sell the opportunity itself then it’s easier to sell it exactly like people THINK it works.
There’s a lot of fake testimonials out there, but I accepted this one as real enough … because it focused on some important factors. Post #70 in a different thread.
behindmlm.com/companies/ds-domination/roger-langille-ditches-ds-domination/#comment-343335
“67 listings / 44 sales in 3 months” as an example. That’s the correct mindset.
“Focus on specific groups of buyers”. That idea makes much more sense than the current one — “let the experts do the work for you and simply collect the profit from that work”.
“How to present products … how to attract impulse buyers” makes sense.
That’s probably the correct decision if you’re interested in e-commerce. 🙂
This type of network marketing is primarily about selling dreams, about making other people believe that it can work for them as an opportunity. But the idea is too vague to work in reality as e-commerce.
It isn’t “total bullshit”. DS Domination was actually based on some valid business ideas that could work for some people but wouldn’t work for the masses … in terms of income and profit.
The general idea can work. If you’re able to make an e-commerce idea work as a business or income source then you can potentially find a secondary market in people willing to pay for that knowledge.
The knowledge itself may find a market, even a much more profitable one than the initial idea.
Example: Some “pro bloggers” make more profit on selling “how to make a profit on blogging” than they make the initial idea. Some others make profits on selling services, e.g. webhosting, registration, themes and layouts (they can help to combine different “products”).
It isn’t “total BS”, but the current idea isn’t about what it pretends to be about. It’s a recruitment concept rather than a sales concept. The focus is on “wannabe merchants” rather than on the end users — on vague promises rather than on specific business ideas that actually can work.
ANY USEFUL IDEAS?
I identified some in my previous post, using a comment in a different thread as an example. She identified some relevant factors.
The focus will need to be on the end users rather than on the potential profit one can make. That’s a core principle in business, the factor that makes a business work or fail. If the end users won’t accept it then the business will most likely fail to work.
So, is it a scam or people really can make money from INFINii?
I really wanna know, because I wonder is it worth it or not to start working with this program?
Thank you in advance.
you can certainly make money recruiting participants into infinii if you have a taste for that. but remember, that with 0 retail, infinii is a probable illegal pyramid scheme.
if you are looking for the passive income via springboard, then it may be an illegal offering and it may not provide the income you may be expecting. check whether people are making consistent profits from springboard after costs.
also keep in mind that the last two opportunities from these promoters ie DSD and OD did not last long and many people may have lost money in these schemes.
Currently it has too little substance. It was focused on selling the opportunity itself, not on making the opportunity work in reality. It was possible to predict that it wouldn’t work well in reality.
The webinar tried to bring in some substance. It tried to make the opportunity sound more believable, trying to make it sound less like a passive investment and more like e-commerce. It tried to reduce expectations of “passive income and profit”.
It may work for individuals if they can bring in some knowledge and experience themselves, or if they can build it up gradually.
It’s plain and simple. You will make money if you can get other people to buy products, services or the opportunity itself.
You will not make money if you are the one buying it. And you’re currently looking into it as an opportunity you can buy yourself, rather than as something you can sell to others.
Products purchased cannot be tracked anywhere. Thank you for conversation. This is a real eye opener.
Just ran into this today. Wondering whatever happened to this??
Seeing as it was the next hot thing for all the Ufun scammers to jump into when that failed… did they all promote this… pull in a bunch of poor suckers (again) profit off of them … then split and jump into the next hot thing?
Was Oz correct AGAIN?